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| @kanzure | superkuh: it would be helpful if you show the errors or any workarounds | 00:13 |
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| @kanzure | i haven't tried yet | 00:13 |
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| superkuh | It works fine. I wasn't following the instructions properly. | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: did you have to edit anything? i'd prefer to keep it in the repo for future users | 00:44 |
| superkuh | I didn't have to edit anything. | 00:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | "Welcome to the Jungle" is 25 years old. | 00:48 |
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| lichen | its only that old? | 01:07 |
| lichen | feels way older | 01:07 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | Axl Rose is 50. | 01:11 |
| lichen | seriously i was born in 1990, that generation of music feels ancient to me | 01:13 |
| lichen | reminds me of my over-the-hill coworkers | 01:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | young'n | 01:14 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | it came out when i was 6 | 01:15 |
| lichen | yep | 01:33 |
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| fenn | heh, a raytracer written in pov-ray's scene description language http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.6.1/125/ | 01:43 |
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| fenn | kanzure: to answer your question about pov, basically it's impossible to get geometry out of pov-ray format | 02:09 |
| fenn | it only generates pretty pictures | 02:09 |
| fenn | sort of depressing, because there's a lot of cool stuff out there | 02:09 |
| fenn | see for example http://www.oyonale.com/3D.php?lang=en | 02:10 |
| fenn | though he seems to have switched to rhino for most of the object modeling | 02:11 |
| fenn | i'm starting to think you were onto something with your solid primitives genetic algorithm idea | 02:16 |
| fenn | r^2 minimization stuffs | 02:16 |
| fenn | The MadPipe macro generates a random pipe structure of a given size. Like in the famous Windows screensaver, the pipe starts at one point and then circulates in its containing box until a certain number of elements is reached. | 02:20 |
| fenn | i guess with enough radiosity anything looks awesome | 02:21 |
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| joshcryer | what are you looking at pov-ray for? boolean renderer / description language? | 02:32 |
| joshcryer | oh solid primitives? | 02:32 |
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| fenn | he is really good at lighting http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=432 | 02:33 |
| fenn | joshcryer: mostly just bitching about how openscad was poorly thought out and now we're stuck with it | 02:33 |
| joshcryer | fenn, unbiased rendering is the craze these days, pov-ray is old hat | 02:34 |
| fenn | there's a rule somewhere that you shouldn't invent your own programming language on a whim | 02:34 |
| fenn | unbiased? | 02:34 |
| joshcryer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbiased_rendering | 02:35 |
| fenn | meh | 02:36 |
| joshcryer | (I think that was a sidetrack, sorry) | 02:36 |
| fenn | the main problem with pov-ray as a renderer, it's not multi-threaded | 02:37 |
| fenn | and apparently no plans on "official" version supporting parallel processing of any kind | 02:38 |
| fenn | pov seemed stagnant even 15 years ago | 02:38 |
| joshcryer | imho I think the best route hasn't really been looked at. I mean, is there software that lets you design, for instance, arbitrary screws? | 02:40 |
| fenn | yes, CATIA and the like | 02:41 |
| joshcryer | http://etd.ohiolink.edu/view.cgi?acc_num=akron1237988201 | 02:41 |
| fenn | what | 02:42 |
| fenn | i know about pro/e | 02:42 |
| fenn | i wonder why cad programs don't come with this stuff built in | 02:44 |
| joshcryer | I guess I don't get what you're trying to do | 02:44 |
| fenn | "square, ACME, buttress or unified" is not too much to expect | 02:44 |
| fenn | well, modeling screw threads is a bit of a hobby of mine, i guess | 02:45 |
| fenn | it was the example package for skdb | 02:45 |
| fenn | but then it turned out to be really hard to make a proper helix in opencascade | 02:45 |
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| fenn | oh, apparently now they do support multiprocessing in pov ray, but the docs haven't been updated | 02:53 |
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| * fenn kicks cia | 04:55 | |
| * fenn kicks CIA-132 | 04:55 | |
| CIA-132 | ow | 04:55 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: e0936fe trucks can overlap with small inter-rail distance.. make truck minimum spacing allow third truck between them | 05:01 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 9afaac8 Merge branch 'master' of diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki | 05:01 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 555ba88 laser etcher has moved to its own repo, currently available at http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/ or git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/laser_etcher.git - preserving history for history's sake | 05:01 |
| fenn | why didnt that work when i pushed to laser_etcher.git | 05:02 |
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| fenn | hi there | 05:04 |
| fenn | i'm moving laser cad files to http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/ | 05:04 |
| nmz787 | okie dokie | 05:07 |
| fenn | dunno if you have openscad installed, if not you might find this informative: http://fennetic.net/irc/xy_table_unfinished.png | 05:07 |
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| delinquentme | fenn, thats not your native resolution | 05:16 |
| delinquentme | is it? | 05:16 |
| fenn | go away | 05:16 |
| delinquentme | what is it? | 05:18 |
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| delinquentme | TI82? | 05:18 |
| delinquentme | fenn, I mean thats kanzure 's lol cad or something open source right? | 05:20 |
| delinquentme | isnt there some cheaply priced close source one that looks pretty? | 05:20 |
| delinquentme | fenn, Y U mean to me? | 05:23 |
| delinquentme | talk. | 05:23 |
| delinquentme | let me know what you guys are working on | 05:23 |
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| delinquentme | fenn, hows fiji | 05:27 |
| delinquentme | you getting tan over there? | 05:28 |
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| delinquentme | SO looking at the ideal space for lab automation I think that coders and lab technicians look at it differently | 05:32 |
| delinquentme | ( unless we're talking lab coders .. but thats a niche ) | 05:32 |
| delinquentme | so coders want console pulls and APIs where technicians want kind of the windows experience | 05:32 |
| delinquentme | say to get a protocol: | 05:33 |
| delinquentme | coders "protocol-get titration-12" | 05:33 |
| delinquentme | tech: browse to: www.some-protocol-repo.com ... search for protocol .. download and then open protocol | 05:34 |
| delinquentme | JA? | 05:34 |
| delinquentme | WHERE B EVERYONE! | 05:43 |
| nmz787 | cool fenn | 05:44 |
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| Mariu | o/ | 06:41 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: we didn't add the hook to laser_etcher.git | 07:42 |
| @kanzure | it's there now | 07:44 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/tree/docs/vxb_12mm_bearing.jpg | 09:47 |
| @kanzure | i wonder why it says Adobe Photoshop? iirc that's not part of the jpeg spec | 09:47 |
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| Mariu | are we close to printing organs ? | 09:50 |
| Mariu | 3D | 09:50 |
| @kanzure | jmil is working on tissue printing plus some 3d printed scaffolds | 09:50 |
| Mariu | nice | 09:50 |
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| jmil | :D | 10:30 |
| * kristianpaul want cmos priters | 10:39 | |
| ThomasEgi | kristianpaul, how bout organic semiconductors? they can be printed at least | 10:43 |
| kristianpaul | can you print an organic led right now? | 10:45 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: that's a JFIF comment | 11:28 |
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| delinquentme | hio! | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | hi. | 11:58 |
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| delinquentme | Bio! | 12:10 |
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| Mariu | bio | 12:11 |
| yashgaroth | logy! | 12:11 |
| Mariu | =p | 12:11 |
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| n_bentha | hio | 12:32 |
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| n_bentha | does anyone have the link to that site that had a good idea for space debris removal? | 13:14 |
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| n_bentha | found it | 13:16 |
| n_bentha | http://www.star-tech-inc.com/id121.html | 13:16 |
| Mariu | nice | 13:16 |
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| @kanzure | hi chillyvanilly | 13:40 |
| chillyvanilly | yo | 13:40 |
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| Mariu | later everyone | 13:41 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: 11604 Stonehollow looks ok | 14:59 |
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| eudoxia | is there a backup of the biohack mirror wiki that used to be here http://acceleratingfuture.com/hplusroadmapwiki/ ? | 15:49 |
| eudoxia | I've been using archive.org to recover some of the contents for Steel's wiki | 15:49 |
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| kanzure | why do you prefer Stee||'s wiki? | 15:50 |
| eudoxia | mediawiki is easier to use than git | 15:50 |
| kanzure | why do you say that? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | also there's a non-git interface to diyhpluswiki | 15:50 |
| eudoxia | fenn's git repo? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki that one | 15:50 |
| eudoxia | the one on github? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | anyway.. peerinfinity was the one who dumped content on http://acceleratingfuture.com/hplusroadmapwiki/ | 15:51 |
| kanzure | i do have some old archives but i'm skeptical of supporting stee|| in general | 15:51 |
| eudoxia | uh okay | 15:52 |
| eudoxia | I get weird ssl errors whenever using that other wiki | 15:52 |
| eudoxia | so I'll just git clone it I think, since that's the only thing I know how to do with git | 15:52 |
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| kanzure | git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git | 15:52 |
| eudoxia | thanks | 15:53 |
| kanzure | i could be possibly convinced to install mediawiki | 15:53 |
| kanzure | but nobody has ever asked for it back really | 15:53 |
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| jrayhawk | The lack of public registration is a substantial barrier to entry. | 15:54 |
| kanzure | people just want to use an interface they are familiar with | 15:54 |
| kanzure | on a related note.. | 15:55 |
| kanzure | http://scytale.name/blog/2009/11/announcing-levitation | 15:55 |
| kanzure | "Levitation's purpose is to convert a MediaWiki database XML dump into a Git repository — including the complete history." | 15:55 |
| kanzure | but this does not look like a bridge | 15:56 |
| jrayhawk | ahahaha what a terrible idea | 15:56 |
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| kanzure | why is that a bad idea? | 15:56 |
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| jrayhawk | global locking, mandatory history retention/non-refactorable trees, no ability to partition trees, etc does not work out at the scale of wikipedia | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i think people just don't understand ikiwiki | 15:59 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: since you brought it up, what do you not like about ikiwiki? | 15:59 |
| jrayhawk | ikiwiki, similarly, does not work out at the scale of wikipedia | 15:59 |
| jrayhawk | well, unless you don't version control it. | 15:59 |
| eudoxia | get SSL errors when trying to do anything other than clicking on the top of the page links, but nothing in general | 16:01 |
| kanzure | maybe i should just rip mediawiki's stylesheet and add it to ikiwiki | 16:01 |
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| eudoxia | that would be good | 16:01 |
| kanzure | why ? | 16:02 |
| kanzure | i was being humorous- stylesheets are just for show | 16:02 |
| eudoxia | oh | 16:02 |
| jrayhawk | bryan: you can get a free cert from startcom if you add a useful email address to your whois record or MX to your DNS zone for diyhpl.us | 16:05 |
| jrayhawk | If you MX over to mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu. I can even do that for you. | 16:05 |
| kanzure | you should assume my zonefile is completely wrong and unstable | 16:05 |
| jrayhawk | I... don't care at all? | 16:06 |
| kanzure | well. by unstable i mean i don't know how to properly host a zonefile or where. | 16:06 |
| jrayhawk | Well, somehow you've managed to arrange for an A record to point at 131.252.130.248, so I assume you have the wherewithall to get an MX record pointed at mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu. | 16:07 |
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| jrayhawk | I can also host DNS for that if you want to point the registry at mine. I would have to decide which of mine I want to use. | 16:10 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: that would be a good plan | 16:10 |
| jrayhawk | I'll probably deal with that tonight. | 16:14 |
| kanzure | i won't change the dns server until later tonight | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/1852/how-to-create-a-random-3d-domain-representing-a-plants-root-structure/1860#1860 | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | hi juul_ | 20:06 |
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| ENKI-][ | kanzure: you're right. i do want to throw it away. not because it's crap, but because despite six or seven "nia for linux" projects existing and ten or twenty windows-specific equivalents, none of them actually work. | 20:36 |
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| n_bentha | does anyone happen to have access to 'nature' articles? | 20:37 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: yes | 20:38 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: btw, the EEG software you suggested didn't build. are there linux binaries floating around? it refused to build in some scary nontrivial way that points to potentially months of wading through messy code. | 20:40 |
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| katsmeow-afk | Tel Aviv University researchers have created protein-based transistors from organic materials found in the human body. | 21:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | They used blood, milk and mucus proteins to help take the first step in making silicon an outdated formula to build semi-conductors. | 21:10 |
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| fenn | i'm kinda sick of this lack of decent git wiki software, how hard could it be to write a general purpose web-based text editor | 21:16 |
| kanzure | fenn: write some specs and i'll do it | 21:21 |
| kanzure | tinymce? | 21:22 |
| fenn | i dont even care | 21:23 |
| fenn | raw form-based text editing would be good enough | 21:23 |
| fenn | it should support plugins for different types of content, but not fail if the plugin isn't found, just directly edit the text of the file | 21:24 |
| fenn | it should also list the files that are in the repo | 21:24 |
| kanzure | how about http://el-tramo.be/software/wigit/ | 21:26 |
| fenn | ikiwiki fails because it only shows/edits .md files, and doesn't show what's in the repository without jumping through a lot of hoops | 21:26 |
| fenn | did you just pull that out of your ass? what makes WiGit special or different | 21:27 |
| kanzure | out of my ass | 21:27 |
| kanzure | well this is weird... http://repo.or.cz/w/fuse-mediawiki.git | 21:28 |
| fenn | that is interesting | 21:28 |
| kanzure | whuddabout http://gitit.johnmacfarlane.net/ | 21:33 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/jgm/gitit | 21:33 |
| kanzure | "Gitit is a wiki program written in Haskell. It uses Happstack for the web server and pandoc for markup processing. Pages and uploaded files are stored in a git, darcs, or mercurial repository and may be modified either by using the VCS's command-line tools or through the wiki's web interface." | 21:33 |
| fenn | nice ms-paint lambda on that frisbee | 21:33 |
| kanzure | url routes look slightly retarded http://gitit.johnmacfarlane.net/_diff/Sandbox?to=3341d2f8e6560aa016c13ba92cc51e908c3e0de2 | 21:35 |
| kanzure | oh that's the diff view | 21:35 |
| fenn | ok so the .dot demo, the graphviz code is embedded in a wiki markup, not a stand-alone file | 21:37 |
| fenn | that's not really what i mean by supports plugins | 21:38 |
| fenn | i just want it to render the file for a web browser, instead of just dumping the raw file data to html | 21:38 |
| fenn | i guess it wouldnt be too hard to modify | 21:39 |
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| jrayhawk | if you guys find a decent git web hex and/or text editor, let me know | 21:46 |
| fenn | nah i wouldn't try to edit binary files over the web | 21:49 |
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| kanzure | fenn: so do you want to try gitit on diyhpl.us for a while? | 22:19 |
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