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| delinquentme | kanzure, u aroundy yet? | 06:19 |
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| delinquentme | TTYL! | 08:07 |
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| Utopiah | random_walker> I'm a bit surprised to find almost no academic literature on friend-to-friend networks, especially for anti-surveillance. Any pointers? | 09:48 |
| Utopiah | Id be curious too | 09:48 |
| kanzure | visualization of global water volume http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/2010/gallery/global-water-volume.html | 09:55 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: how is p2p antisurveillance ? | 09:55 |
| Utopiah | I guess he means systems like Freenet trying to provide encryption and anonymity | 09:59 |
| Utopiah | not bittorrent | 10:00 |
| kanzure | hahah wow http://www.affiliatetemple.com/google-penguin-creates-mass-unemployment-in-india/ | 10:00 |
| kanzure | "One Indian ‘SEO Expert’, Steve Patel, used to work 15 hour per day ‘spinning’ content and uploading it to a large network of sites for US/UK clients. His youngest son, Ashwad (6yrs), had also been taught how to link build. ”Ashwad was getting very good on programmes like Xrummer, but now his future is in jeopardy”" | 10:00 |
| kanzure | a 6 ear old using xrumer? | 10:00 |
| kanzure | *6 year | 10:00 |
| kanzure | that's hilarious.. | 10:00 |
| kanzure | http://repl.it/ seems to be running python in js | 10:10 |
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| kanzure | hi klafka | 10:55 |
| klafka | howdy kanzure | 10:55 |
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| klafka | why does everyone think graph databases are the answer to everything | 12:18 |
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| klafka | anytime you have a matrix you implicitly have a graph thajt doesn't mean you want to traverse it | 12:18 |
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| kanzure | beepity boop | 13:11 |
| kanzure | klafka: because graphs are all directed! | 13:11 |
| klafka | lol | 13:13 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, after looking at those bibtex that are on scidirect | 15:28 |
| delinquentme | was I just missing the fact that they're not really showing the references | 15:29 |
| delinquentme | and when I say "references" I mean a paper has many references to past topics | 15:29 |
| delinquentme | ( incase im using the wrong term ) | 15:29 |
| kanzure | you mean the paper's bibliography? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | bibtex is not recursive | 15:30 |
| kanzure | so if you were writing a paper in latex.. you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography | 15:30 |
| kanzure | and your latex compiler would include that and render your last few pages of bibliography | 15:30 |
| kanzure | or you can use bibtex to represent the contents of a volume of a journal | 15:31 |
| delinquentme | so the bibtext *IS* the bibliography | 15:31 |
| kanzure | bibtex is just a list of papers and some metadata | 15:32 |
| delinquentme | so yes bibtext is the bibliography | 15:34 |
| delinquentme | it references the papers which this one cited | 15:35 |
| kanzure | no | 15:35 |
| kanzure | the bibtex that sciencedirect provides is a bibliography of the papers in that volume of whatever journal | 15:35 |
| delinquentme | you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography | 15:36 |
| delinquentme | the way you're conveying information is confusing | 15:36 |
| kanzure | "you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography" read the first part of the original message ("so if you were writing a paper in latex...") | 15:36 |
| delinquentme | is there a format on sci direct which is effectively " this paper builds upon /uses research from these papers" | 15:37 |
| kanzure | not that i can see | 15:37 |
| kanzure | you would probably have to use OCR or humans to read the paper | 15:37 |
| delinquentme | thats something that they've got locked down right? | 15:38 |
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| kanzure | probably not.. OCR of bibliographies is a hard problem | 15:39 |
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| ThomasEgi | what'd be so hard about it. isnt a bibliography just some text? | 15:45 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-24-autoscholar-OCR-notgood.png | 15:46 |
| ThomasEgi | i was never really happy with tesseract's results | 15:47 |
| ThomasEgi | i cant imagine it would be so hard to do some hugh transform to detect rotation of a text, segmentize lines, and letters. and run correlation tests in frequency domain. | 15:50 |
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| ThomasEgi | and countercheck the image of the result string with the original image part. | 15:51 |
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| ThomasEgi | even without vocabulary and gramattic rules. raw character detection for english text shouldnt be that difficult to pull off | 15:52 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean. we can identify individual humans based on a 40x40 pixel image, out of millions. how hard can it be to decide between a hand full of letters | 15:53 |
| delinquentme | ThomasEgi, humans have amazing pattern recognition skills | 15:54 |
| delinquentme | I was thinking about this just today | 15:54 |
| ThomasEgi | still. | 15:54 |
| ThomasEgi | there are like a very limited set of patters. that are mostly undistorted | 15:54 |
| delinquentme | for example photoshopped images or what about special effects from 5 years back | 15:54 |
| delinquentme | well yes its limited | 15:55 |
| delinquentme | but that limit is vast | 15:55 |
| ThomasEgi | and todays image processing algorithms can find objects that are highly distorted, or even motionblured. with high accuracy, speed, and relyablity | 15:55 |
| ThomasEgi | and text is basilally twice the alphabet, a few numbers and punctations. | 15:56 |
| ThomasEgi | i'll put this on my to-do | 15:56 |
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| ThomasEgi | writing a propper ocr engine. based on signal processing basics. | 15:57 |
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| ThomasEgi | kanzure, can you provide me with an example image to test around with? | 16:21 |
| klafka | you're writing an OCR engine? | 16:32 |
| klafka | what algorithm are you going to use / are you going to use the postal training set? | 16:33 |
| ThomasEgi | well for now it is almost 2am and i have to get up at 6 something. | 16:41 |
| ThomasEgi | so i am not starting today | 16:41 |
| ThomasEgi | but i want to give it a try. | 16:41 |
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| ThomasEgi | guess my main workhorse will be fft and correlation | 16:42 |
| ThomasEgi | as for inputs. i might go as far as taking a font, and automatically construct a set from the font picked. | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | ThomasEgi: pick your poison... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ | 16:49 |
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| ThomasEgi | picked. thx. time for some sleep now | 16:51 |
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| klafka | hmm so if you wanted to call hadoop from python | 16:56 |
| klafka | how would you do that | 16:56 |
| klafka | like i wanted python to send message parameters / objects to hadoop and have hadoop send back it's results | 16:58 |
| klafka | the object could be like JSON or something | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | where did everyone go | 23:31 |
| poptire | yo kanzure | 23:33 |
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