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| delinquentme | moarrr ning ! | 04:13 |
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| strangewarp | Watching regular everyday intellectuals talk about the future makes my head hurt. | 04:19 |
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| moriarty | strangewarp, is that a good thing or a bad thing? | 04:19 |
| strangewarp | Mostly it's all so bleak and lacking in decent futurism that I want to strangle someone | 04:20 |
| strangewarp | "We might be able to terraform Mars in a couple hundred years, and that would be the next human frontier" "If anyone survives the global war that the collapse of oil and water will cause" "Well yes of course" AAAHH | 04:23 |
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| Urchin | still, the Planetary Resourcess stuff is cool | 04:26 |
| Urchin | and looks good | 04:26 |
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| strangewarp | Indeed, at the very least Planetary Resources is a focal point for creating optimism | 04:31 |
| moriarty | the economics behind Planetary Resources is untenable | 04:35 |
| moriarty | sorry to say | 04:36 |
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| delinquentme | moriarty, what do you mean? | 04:38 |
| delinquentme | strangewarp, agreed | 04:38 |
| delinquentme | pundits glaore | 04:38 |
| moriarty | in any case, it's good that we are dismal about the prospects of oil depletion, in that sense we are more prepared now than we were previously, and also good for the crunch that we are in | 04:39 |
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| strangewarp | moriarty: Planetary Resources is being backed by billionaires who quite dearly want it to exist, so in the short term, it should inspire the old-fashioned space-cadet kind of people's optimistic ambitions | 04:51 |
| strangewarp | Asteroid-mining, as it's classically been conceived, is definitely financially dubious, don't get me wrong | 04:51 |
| moriarty | delinquentme, the kind of ROI expected for wildcat exploration is typically two years to half-a-year as a limitation on exposure to those risk levels, compared to modestly risky projects with expected ROI of five years, so for an asteroid mining project with platinum ore, R&D, exploration, production (mining platform and processing plant) construction, transportation, and the actual | 04:53 |
| moriarty | mining | 04:53 |
| delinquentme | Oh I was of the thought that they were grabbing them and returning them to earth | 04:53 |
| moriarty | ... 47 mm tonnes would be required in order to achieve at least 50% ROI for a near-earth asteroid within the ninety percentile where platinum ore concentration is typically within 140 PPM | 04:55 |
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| delinquentme | moriarty, you're telling me that a universal average for platinum more is 140 ppm | 04:57 |
| moriarty | delinquentme, for ninety percent of asteroids that are near-earth, yes | 04:58 |
| moriarty | i.e. within 1.3 AUs apsis distance | 04:59 |
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| moriarty | it's like the geeky equivalent of owning a football club, this investing in planetary resources | 05:01 |
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| @kanzure | beepity boop | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/02/23/does-personal-identity-survive-cryopreservation/ | 08:29 |
| @kanzure | i am too scarred to read that and check what awful assumptions they make about "personal identity" | 08:30 |
| @kanzure | also.. that's very long | 08:30 |
| strangewarp | I want to counter that sort of argument by saying "if your concept of 'personal identity' would not survive cryonics, it has almost certainly been resimulated many times over in the Big Universe regardless", but it's too risky of a line of rebuttal - I'd best stick to the standard "massive fluctuations already occur in the human brain and I'm pretty sure we're fine" | 08:34 |
| @kanzure | strangewarp: i think it's simpler to say that anyone yapping about personal identity is bullshitting you | 08:36 |
| strangewarp | yeah pretty much | 08:37 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.markuskayser.com/work/solarsinter/ | 09:28 |
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| @kanzure | hi calango | 11:53 |
| calango | hi kanzure :) | 11:55 |
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| Mariu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfj1n8vPWCE | 13:44 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | anybody care to take a stab at a theory for this: http://www.astrocyte-design.com/shangri-la-diet/index.html | 14:51 |
| delinquentme | Mokbortolan_, on 26 june 2010 you hit 7% body fat? | 15:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what? | 15:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | where did you come up with that number? | 15:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not my data, btw | 15:06 |
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| delinquentme | OOOOo http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=419949&c=1 | 15:44 |
| delinquentme | i like the part where elsvier is squirming | 15:44 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: what is that link to? | 15:48 |
| delinquentme | 40 billion dollar open research publishing venture | 15:49 |
| delinquentme | euro! ** | 15:49 |
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| @kanzure | hrmm | 18:29 |
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| mensch | Evening | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | hi. | 19:06 |
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| mensch | What's up? | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | coding. | 19:09 |
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