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| delinquentme | adurrr i shoulda been in here screaming | 02:22 |
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| delinquentme | tuesday? | 02:22 |
| skinmocha | >_> | 02:30 |
| delinquentme | skinmocha, itll be cool :D | 02:41 |
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| delinquentme | hio all! | 08:51 |
| eudoxia | hey | 08:51 |
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| * delinquentme hug eudoxia | 08:57 | |
| * delinquentme hug kanzure | 08:57 | |
| * delinquentme hug ENKI-][ | 08:58 | |
| ThomasEgi | ... dont even THINK about it | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | O_O | 09:11 |
| * delinquentme sneaks up | 09:11 | |
| ThomasEgi | can someone explain to me why a my package went from philadelphia to chicago, 1200km west. when the destination is 6000km east ?? | 09:51 |
| ThomasEgi | is there like some cia-package-inspection facility in chicago which has to be passed before they can fly it over or what? | 09:51 |
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| @kanzure | buh? http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/100-year-roadmap | 10:14 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, build the enterprise ? | 10:18 |
| delinquentme | I mean sure if we want to consult designers > engineers | 10:18 |
| delinquentme | doesnt look like that body style is going to handle any kind of acceleration to me | 10:19 |
| mensch | The Gen1 Enterprise will include a powerful laser... there is not enough electrical power generated by the main reactor to power both the laser and the main engine... On the 4th of July the Enterprise can fly over the US with its laser energized for shooting streaks of bright light across the night sky – a kind of fireworks from space. Upon request, this could be done over other nations on special occasions too. | 10:19 |
| mensch | http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/100mw-laser | 10:19 |
| @kanzure | is that milliwatt or megawatt | 10:21 |
| delinquentme | For 30 years I have worked at the same Fortune 500 company | 10:21 |
| delinquentme | sounds like an innovator | 10:21 |
| mensch | megawhat | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | mensch: megawhat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX3P1HVfSmQ#t=13 | 10:23 |
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| mensch | kanzure: indeed | 10:25 |
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| chevbird | Hey all. Just got back from my first bosslab meeting | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: so what did you think? | 11:10 |
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| Mariu | hey | 11:10 |
| chevbird | Pretty cool | 11:11 |
| chevbird | Has potential | 11:11 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: i haven't met avery yet. what's she like | 11:12 |
| chevbird | Labs relatively small but they have connections with a local engineering startup so they (i guess its "we" now) can get custom equiptment free to cheap | 11:12 |
| chevbird | Averys a dude. Hes cool, pretty laid back and open to new input | 11:13 |
| @kanzure | what the hell? a dude | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | i didn't expect that | 11:14 |
| chevbird | Yup. Dude. (His twitter is @tequals0) | 11:14 |
| chevbird | But yea its a cool setup, disorganized but cool. So i guess the plan is to host biotech classes to help pay for other research | 11:17 |
| chevbird | Which i can dig | 11:17 |
| @kanzure | heh well i haven't seen an academic lab that was organized | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | @_@ MegaKabuterimon | 11:18 |
| @kanzure | actually i take that back, a plant biology lab i worked in was super organized | 11:18 |
| chevbird | 5S...annoying yet effective | 11:18 |
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| chevbird | But yea. Definitely has potential. | 11:24 |
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| Steel2 | >_> | 11:24 |
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| Steel2 | kanzure, you around? | 11:38 |
| chevbird | He was a second ago | 11:38 |
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| @kanzure | Steel2: yes | 12:01 |
| Steel2 | do you know why the emotiv is only 4 channels? | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | no. i assumed incompetence or price sensitivity. | 12:03 |
| Steel2 | Any idea how hard it would be to get more than 4? | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | Steel2: well, first, don't use emotiv.. i'd start with openeeg's design | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | i think they were doing 32 and 64 channels | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | but.. eeg isn't that interesting | 12:05 |
| Steel2 | well, I might be using the term wrong | 12:05 |
| Steel2 | emotiv can check for 4 given 'thoughts' at a time | 12:05 |
| Steel2 | ie you can set it to check for forward back left right out of the 13 possible | 12:06 |
| Steel2 | or maybe forward back up down | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | thoughts are not channels | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | no this is all wrong | 12:07 |
| Steel2 | yes, I'm using the wrong term | 12:07 |
| Steel2 | Cognitiv can only listen for 4 inputs out of a possible 13 at a given time | 12:07 |
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| azonenberg | kanzure, Steel2: i know a guy who is doing a lot of BCI stuff | 12:35 |
| azonenberg | one of the guys behind BCI2000 | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | but he's also fooling around with the emotiv | 12:36 |
| Steel2 | is he at RPI? | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | yes | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | well, graduating this semester | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | griffin milsap | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | most of his work is at wadsworth labs though | 12:36 |
| azonenberg | and i think he's doing a phd at johns hopkins starting in the fall | 12:36 |
| Steel2 | added | 12:37 |
| Steel2 | since I'll be in DC area too | 12:37 |
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| delinquentme | LAWL FACEBOOK | 14:02 |
| * delinquentme composes self | 14:02 | |
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| chevbird | anyone around? looking for some education advice....not sure which concentration to pick for my biotech masters: "life sciences" or "bioengineering and nanotech" | 17:06 |
| chevbird | the former is more biochem while the later is more microfluidics/bioMEMS | 17:07 |
| chevbird | background: i do r&d in the sequencing field and want to continue | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: i'd probably try to convince you to do neither | 17:08 |
| chevbird | other option is management | 17:08 |
| chevbird | lol | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | chevbird, whos footing the bill | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | oh god no not management | 17:08 |
| chevbird | work | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | please | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | can you handle nano? | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | can you rape it | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | what the hell does that mean delinquentme? | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | if so do nano | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | what does "do nano" mean | 17:09 |
| chevbird | idk if i can rape it | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | go away | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | ... kanzure you're trolling me | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | no, i'm not. | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | "do nano" | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | within context you know what the trinary is | 17:09 |
| chevbird | i might be able to convince it to go to coffee | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | lolol chevbird | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | you've got my vote | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | I've thrown around the idea of enlisting to get that major | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | derp not major but experience | 17:10 |
| chevbird | sure | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | but thats a big dumb military dick id be riding for 4 years | 17:10 |
| chevbird | im not sure | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, y du hate? | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | chevbird, id ask which you like more | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: because you just make noise in here. go back to reddit. | 17:10 |
| chevbird | im thinking microfluidics are where the future is going | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | but I'd be willing to bet either program will beat that out of you | 17:11 |
| delinquentme | lol did i hit a vein saying you talk too much? | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: do you mean your future employment or do you mean 'the future' in some other sense | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: just stop saying dumb things | 17:11 |
| chevbird | i meant the future but both apply | 17:11 |
| delinquentme | chevbird, also note that we're heavily inclined towards microfluidics here | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: both what? i only said one :( | 17:11 |
| delinquentme | so its a bit of a bias | 17:11 |
| delinquentme | ... | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: nobody in here has ever vouched for microfluidics being 'the future of employment' | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: so, you're lying | 17:12 |
| chevbird | oh...ummm the future of the market, where the tech is heading | 17:12 |
| chevbird | but | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | future employment vrs 'the future' ? | 17:12 |
| chevbird | me personally applies too | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | thats.. one ... two? | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i said "some other sense". that's not a specific thing, it was a question for chevbird. | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | no kanzure lol | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | oiy | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | ok this is entirely destructive | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do you want to hug this out? | 17:12 |
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| @kanzure | no, don't hug me | 17:13 |
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| delinquentme | bc this feels like a convo w my girlfriend | 17:13 |
| skimocha | lol! 20:13] <@kanzure> no, don't hug me | 17:13 |
| delinquentme | seriously | 17:13 |
| delinquentme | get your shit together | 17:13 |
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| @kanzure | man this is annoying | 17:13 |
| chevbird | so here's the difference | 17:13 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you're on my nuts about something stupid | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: go on | 17:13 |
| chevbird | the bulk of LS is biochem | 17:13 |
| delinquentme | if you wanna argue it out feel free to | 17:14 |
| chevbird | and by bulk i mean 80% | 17:14 |
| chevbird | and on the flipside, the bulk of bioeng is engineering, microfluidics, blah blah | 17:14 |
| chevbird | also 80% | 17:14 |
| chevbird | so its a big distinction between the two | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: i'm still confused about what you're aiming for- employment for sure? | 17:15 |
| chevbird | correct | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: i doubt your exact concentration would determine which employers would want you | 17:16 |
| chevbird | i agree | 17:16 |
| delinquentme | chevbird, so then thats it .. do whatever you think you can handle and has a better future | 17:16 |
| chevbird | theres a lot more freedom in course selection with LS | 17:17 |
| chevbird | so thats another difference | 17:17 |
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| @kanzure | hi calango | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | also kanzure if you want me to leave | 17:19 |
| chevbird | i just dont want to get pidgeonholed | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | fucking say it | 17:19 |
| chevbird | i think he did when he kicked you twice | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | chevbird, are you kanzure ? | 17:20 |
| delinquentme | i mean if you are? | 17:20 |
| calango | hi kanzure | 17:20 |
| chevbird | haha nope and im staying out of it | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: so far, i have seen lots of mol. bio. people end up pidgeon holed (unless they go through a postdoc and do some random university-owned company) | 17:20 |
| chevbird | yea | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | lab technician isn't particularly glamorous, but yashgaroth seems to be okay with that (i think he qualifies as lots more than that, but his last job seemed to be.. lab technician) | 17:21 |
| chevbird | im above that now, but i want a PM role in the next 6 years or so | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | what? | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | so what do you do at broad inst.? | 17:22 |
| chevbird | protocol development | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | and other people carry out the protocols? | 17:22 |
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| @kanzure | oh right, i remember you do some lab automation too | 17:22 |
| chevbird | well, the bitch work yes | 17:22 |
| chevbird | but i do a bit on the bench/robots...i see where you're going | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | lab automation work is lots of fun but i don't exactly see employers gobbling that up ;) | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | how'd you land your current gig? | 17:23 |
| delinquentme | does your average lab manager think in term of robotics? | 17:24 |
| chevbird | the boring way | 17:24 |
| chevbird | applied | 17:24 |
| chevbird | interviewed | 17:24 |
| chevbird | got it | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: they were hiring for this position though? | 17:24 |
| chevbird | yes | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | i suppose it's not unusual for a research org | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | juul was doing some similar work for biofab | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | hrm juul isn't around | 17:25 |
| chevbird | i mean dont get me wrong. i love my job | 17:28 |
| chevbird | i just dont want to stop advancing | 17:28 |
| chevbird | and for that, i think a good way is to leverage whatever education path towards a career path | 17:28 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: careers for lab automation aren't really well travelled | 17:30 |
| chevbird | what do you mean | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | like, you could do a consulting company and hang out at lots of conferences to get sales at your automation shop | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | you could possibly get a spot at some chemical factory, but lots of those are just maintenance phases | 17:31 |
| chevbird | im with you there | 17:31 |
| chevbird | and thats not what i want | 17:31 |
| chevbird | new tech development is what i want | 17:32 |
| chevbird | think better off ted with genomics | 17:32 |
| chevbird | and way less funny | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | i can't think of a company doing that really, | 17:32 |
| nmz787 | chevbird: i took a microE course that came with a lab... math in the lecture was great but wayyyy over my head to remember or compute (i could intuitively understand most of it though)... the lab was badass, so if you can get into a clean room, I recommend the experience | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | even halcyon molecular only had one or two hardware projects (tops) | 17:32 |
| chevbird | nmz787 yea? you have an engineering background going in? | 17:33 |
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| nmz787 | no i'm majoring in biotech, only need 1 or 2 more courses after this week | 17:34 |
| chevbird | sweet | 17:34 |
| nmz787 | i 'know' about engineering, i 'get' math, but i can't remember math for shit because practicing it really stresses me out | 17:34 |
| nmz787 | i'm better with hands on stuff | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: which company would you shoot for? | 17:35 |
| chevbird | math is what matlab is for | 17:35 |
| chevbird | something in the gist of a ion (life) or a gnubio (harvard) or a nanopore (oxford) | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | so far gnubio hasn't done anything right? | 17:36 |
| chevbird | or even staying at a major seq center | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | nanopore has mainly one project | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | ok. so running sequencers? | 17:36 |
| chevbird | correct...these companies are built around one idea | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | join up with beijing genome institute :p | 17:36 |
| nmz787 | i dont think life is a good company to even think about if you dont have 10 years industry and a phd | 17:36 |
| nmz787 | you will be a bitch ass dog until you have that at life tech | 17:37 |
| chevbird | fair enough | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | chevbird: you know about bgi right? | 17:38 |
| chevbird | i speak english | 17:38 |
| chevbird | so im not the best candidate | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | bah | 17:38 |
| chevbird | humbug | 17:39 |
| nmz787 | chevbird: how long in school do you have, are you looking for jobs now or in a year? | 17:41 |
| chevbird | ive got a bit...2014 | 17:42 |
| chevbird | and around then for the job search to get agressive | 17:42 |
| chevbird | internally and otherwise | 17:42 |
| nmz787 | well i think i heard nanotech job growth is gonna flatten out in the next 10 years | 17:43 |
| nmz787 | i cant remember where from | 17:43 |
| roksprok | chevbird: is it normal for people to do PM without phd's? | 17:44 |
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| nmz787 | PM?? | 17:44 |
| @kanzure | "project management" | 17:44 |
| @kanzure | anyone does that, depends on the company | 17:44 |
| chevbird | from what ive seen, after 6 years of industry related experience a masters will cut it | 17:45 |
| @kanzure | after a few years of industry experience, nobody cares what degrees you have | 17:45 |
| @kanzure | (unless they are asking for postdocs/phds) | 17:45 |
| nmz787 | chevbird: you should definitely be on the lookout for what kind of projects you would like to sink your teeth into for 4-10 years, and find the intersection of that with what jobs are out there/on the horizon | 17:46 |
| roksprok | nmz787: how do you tell which jobs are on the horizon? | 17:47 |
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| roksprok | federal labor force reports seem too broad | 17:47 |
| chevbird | yea | 17:48 |
| chevbird | thats the big money question | 17:48 |
| chevbird | literally | 17:48 |
| docl | cryo is underserved, imho | 17:49 |
| delinquentme | look where private investments are | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | docl: cryo isn't really hiring that many people | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | alcor hasn't been on a hiring spree | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | CI is still the same people | 17:49 |
| delinquentme | not to mention you've got google out there | 17:50 |
| delinquentme | pick your key term and compare saturation | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | what does google have to do with cryonics? | 17:50 |
| docl | for a job I'd look into 21st century medicine or advanced neural biosciences. (though I know the latter doesn't have money at the moment.) | 17:51 |
| chevbird | i think hes saying its a tool to search for interest | 17:51 |
| docl | cryo research is different from being a service provider anyway | 17:52 |
| chevbird | advanced neural is in PA?...weird | 17:54 |
| delinquentme | so chevbird a possible workflow for something like this would be 1) locate where private cap is being spent ( first to mind is JCVI and synthetic bio ) 2) check out what they're working on ( everything from what positions are they hiring to whos listed as employed by them on linked in ) 3) go look op research they're publishing, there are KW tools out there for extracting interesting data | 17:54 |
| delinquentme | so in the case of JCVI pull together a bunch of their research and get the KWs from it... google those and compare which has more matches | 17:55 |
| docl | chevbird: nah it's here in oregon | 17:55 |
| delinquentme | i did this for an ORM the other day "mongoid" vrs "mongomapper" one had twice the search results | 17:56 |
| delinquentme | so you can draw some conclusions from that | 17:56 |
| delinquentme | another thing is biostar... see what topics are tagged the most | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i don't think it's fair to compare software industry to biotech industry like that at all | 17:57 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, Im attempting to offer something that is as objective as possible | 17:57 |
| delinquentme | yes that doesnt assert it as the next big thing | 17:58 |
| delinquentme | but it does verify interest | 17:58 |
| chevbird | alrighty team, im punching out for the night. thanks for the input. | 18:00 |
| chevbird | disclosure: im leaning towards bioengineering/nano | 18:00 |
| chevbird | until probably tomorrow | 18:01 |
| chevbird | then ill change my mind again | 18:01 |
| docl | :) | 18:01 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: any word from fenn re: the design? | 18:11 |
| @kanzure | no :( | 18:16 |
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| nmz787 | :( | 18:36 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: this looks good: http://www.wavespectrum-laser.com/product_list.php?curSubID=148 | 18:44 |
| nmz787 | except there isnt a price | 18:44 |
| nmz787 | :( | 18:44 |
| nmz787 | LAME | 18:44 |
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| @kanzure | "In February 2011, Hwang visited Libya as part of a W150 billion project in the North African country to build a stem cell research center and transfer relevant technology. However, the project was canceled when civil war started there." | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | "The five-year contract was to be worth W153 billion or 98.5 million euros to be used to build a clinic and research lab near Tripoli and fund its operation." | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | so I've had a few discussions with people | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | specifically on how "actionable" life extension is | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | stem cells are up there ... but back to the question before ... how does one determine what will make an impact | 19:34 |
| delinquentme | surely theres something better than "get good at XYZ process and start applying it" | 19:34 |
| delinquentme | alright all im out ! toodles | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | step one is read everything | 19:37 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | ok or just leave. | 19:37 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how do i 'git update' or something like that? | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | oh | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | git pull worked | 20:04 |
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| nmz787 | fenn: you around? | 20:17 |
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| @kanzure | "A simple and convenient synthesis of pseudoephedrine from n-methylamphetamine" http://heterodoxy.cc/meowdocs/pseudo/pseudosynth.pdf | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | uhh | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | the author is "O. Hai" | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | other fun things: http://heterodoxy.cc/meowdocs/chempubs/ | 23:04 |
| n_bentha | rlol | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | man, that synthesis doesn't seem like it would be useful to anyone | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | cool to know reaction wise i guess | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | " O. Hai wrote the text of the paper, mostly with her toes." wtf?? | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | ohai there | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | "The authors, O. Hai and I. B. Hakkenshit, describe a synthesis of pseudoephedrine from readily available crystal meth. Pseudoephedrine is the decongestant in Sudafed, which used to be out on stores shelves. Now if you want to buy it you have to show your drivers license at a pharmacy. This synthesis should make it much easier to get this useful medicine." | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | hah | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | "Journal of Apocryphal Chemistry " | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | this must be an 'The Onion' type article | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Journal+of+Apocryphal+Chemistry%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33 | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | no matches | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | this is possibly written by a friend of the tarsnap.com guy | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | ib hakkenshit. i totally missed that | 23:17 |
| @kanzure | "I had the chance to talk with the authors recently and I believe that they have been using a Schlenk line and glassware under nitrogen atmosphere. However they are champions of home brewed technology and are hoping to simplify the methodology. If they succeed I would expect that trailer homes would be the preferred apparatus" | 23:24 |
| n_bentha | hahaha | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | weird, i dont get how you can monitor a photon without absorbing it | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | bam, future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_radar | 23:36 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if nano tech is leveraging research/theory physics to get below diffraction limit | 23:37 |
| nmz787 | i know they do some kind of crazy tricks | 23:37 |
| nmz787 | oh, yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_entanglement#Applications | 23:38 |
| nmz787 | wait, there are no citations | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | and the second and third paragraphs contradict each other | 23:40 |
| docl | I wonder if LN2 could be used to make a good waterjet-style cutter. You wouldn't need a pump, you could use the thermal expansion of the LN2. | 23:57 |
| ParahSailin | they are below the diffraction limit with their photolithography | 23:58 |
| ParahSailin | they are far below the wavelength of any laser | 23:59 |
| ParahSailin | well excimer, not laser | 23:59 |
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