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| kanzure | ybit: ? | 06:35 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i don't know, it just felt appropriate | 06:40 |
| kanzure | "In his talk, Bill Faloon updated us on progress and plans concerning Timeship, noting how much had already been invested in the project ($27 million) and how much would likely be needed before it would be operational" | 06:46 |
| kanzure | "However, important questions remain unanswered regarding how Timeship would work with existing and new patients of various cryonics organizations." | 06:46 |
| kanzure | "Also on the resilience front, member Mark Voelker is conducting an updated analysis of the cost and difficulty of making our own liquid nitrogen." | 06:47 |
| kanzure | "My initial sense of his findings is that, given the cost for current consumption levels, (unless funds were contributed specifically for creating and sustaining an independent supply), we would only put this into action if we anticipated major disruptions in our supply." | 06:47 |
| kanzure | "One of our senior members visited Alcor recently and we discussed his concern that, living alone, he might undergo clinical death without anyone knowing. He asked us to look into medical monitoring devices that a member might use to alert us to a potentially fatal event." | 06:48 |
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| kanzure | http://neuroimages.tumblr.com/ | 07:35 |
| kanzure | "46 microscope slides containing ultra-thin sections of Einstein’s brain go on display at the Mütter Museum in Philadelphia. Evi Numen/ Mütter Museum of The College of Physicians of Philadelphia" | 07:35 |
| kanzure | only 46? | 07:35 |
| kanzure | someone should setup brainslookingatpicturesofbrains.tumblr.com | 07:36 |
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| kanzure | alcor case report.. http://alcor.org/Library/pdfs/casereportA1002FredChamberlain.pdf | 07:58 |
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| _F7_ | hey y'all | 09:53 |
| kanzure | _F7_: hi | 09:53 |
| _F7_ | been crazy busy at work and home, and TX/RX, so I've been sparse | 09:54 |
| _F7_ | I've been filling my whiteboards recently with crap pertaining to pneumatic infrastructure for ultra-high density living experiments | 09:55 |
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| kanzure | _F7_: what does high-density living mean | 09:57 |
| kanzure | aha, finally found a video of the dragon/iss docking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_NBoSFpykY | 09:58 |
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| _F7_ | when I was in high school I had an obsession with the history of the kowloon walled city | 10:03 |
| _F7_ | it was a six acre tract of hong kong that the british had claim to but never did anything with | 10:04 |
| _F7_ | during military occupation, they paid no attention to squatters on the tract, preferring to police greater hong kong | 10:05 |
| _F7_ | so the squatters got industrious | 10:05 |
| _F7_ | it was a small enclave with no police and no regulation | 10:05 |
| _F7_ | high rise buildings were built | 10:05 |
| _F7_ | buildings were built abutting those buildings, walls were knocked out, things were built through and on top of other structures | 10:06 |
| _F7_ | the population climbed to over 30k | 10:06 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I'm sure they had very strict fire codes | 10:06 |
| _F7_ | and that doesn't count the people that commuted there | 10:06 |
| _F7_ | with just the resident population, it was equivalent to 3.5 million people per square mile | 10:07 |
| _F7_ | about 200 times the population density of hong kong | 10:07 |
| _F7_ | and for some reason, it had about half the incidence of violent crime | 10:08 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | sounds like, over time, that would evolve a highly disease-resistant human | 10:08 |
| _F7_ | it was a human anthill, it wasn't well planned, and it was incredibly robust | 10:08 |
| _F7_ | no population density since has come within two orders of magnitude | 10:08 |
| _F7_ | afaik | 10:09 |
| strages_work | http://www.visualnews.com/2011/01/05/kowloon-walled-city-pictures-and-cross-section/ | 10:09 |
| kanzure | uhuh.. hrm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26666808@N07/3729581330/ | 10:09 |
| kanzure | oh much better, thanks http://www.deconcrete.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Kowloon-Cross-section-low.jpg | 10:10 |
| _F7_ | I have that cross section blown up in my bedroom | 10:11 |
| _F7_ | anyways, I am interested in what would happen if something like kowloon were made with some master planning | 10:11 |
| _F7_ | kowloon is gone by the way, the chinese leveled it and made a park commemmorating it. | 10:12 |
| _F7_ | it was a hotbed of medical | 10:12 |
| kanzure | _F7_: have you read blame! | 10:12 |
| _F7_ | yes | 10:12 |
| _F7_ | people would fly all over from developed countries and such because people with practices in the walled city would perform procedures two steps ahead of the law | 10:14 |
| _F7_ | it had a high per capita income compared to greater hong kong | 10:15 |
| _F7_ | it has a spotted history, but is sums up that drug crime and violent crime was seen by the hive as an infection | 10:16 |
| _F7_ | and thus lysed | 10:16 |
| strages_work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masdar_City | 10:16 |
| _F7_ | neato | 10:18 |
| _F7_ | it's not that automobiles were banned, it's that the streets weren't there | 10:19 |
| _F7_ | the ground level was essentially a tunnel with high ceilings | 10:19 |
| _F7_ | it was lit with indoor flourescent lighting, as light did not filter through | 10:19 |
| _F7_ | a person could get from point-to-point in the city without ever having to go back to the ground floor, it was that interconnected | 10:21 |
| kanzure | bah you could also do that with catapults | 10:21 |
| _F7_ | hahaha | 10:21 |
| _F7_ | anyways, certain things don't scale well, especially without roads | 10:23 |
| _F7_ | waste collection by vaccuum has a lot of prior art and success | 10:24 |
| _F7_ | there's a system capable of servicing 20.000 people set up on an island in new york | 10:24 |
| _F7_ | it currently services over 10K | 10:24 |
| _F7_ | it's a central building with two 300 hp blowers | 10:25 |
| _F7_ | paired with a vortex separator, air filter, and a sound suppressor for the exhaust air | 10:25 |
| _F7_ | all of the buildings in the area have large vertical chutes, and at the bottom there is a computer controlled hopper with a trap door to a 30 inch tube | 10:26 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I cleaned out a garbage chute for a public housing development once | 10:27 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | it was awful | 10:27 |
| _F7_ | the hopper fills, the blowers spin up, and the trapdoor drops the big bolus into the tube | 10:27 |
| _F7_ | about once a year, they send a pig through the system to patch the corners | 10:27 |
| _F7_ | it's run for over 30 years | 10:28 |
| _F7_ | that's easy | 10:28 |
| _F7_ | I'm more interested in a second system for movement of goods | 10:29 |
| _F7_ | I've been designing a positive pressure switched network for pneumatic capsule delivery | 10:30 |
| _F7_ | kind of like if the ARPAnet had offspring with one of those drive-through banking apparatuses | 10:30 |
| _F7_ | I've studied existing systems in the medical center | 10:33 |
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| _F7_ | they generally switch a maximum of four lines at once, and the switches contain large, reversible, sometimes regenerative blowers | 10:33 |
| _F7_ | a switch has to be able to motivate over the full length of it's connections, generally | 10:34 |
| _F7_ | it's a clusterfuck and it doesn't scale well | 10:34 |
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| _F7_ | it also tends to just slam the capsule around unless there's specific receiving apparatus to prevent it | 10:35 |
| _F7_ | I was looking at having the entire system be positive pressure | 10:36 |
| _F7_ | and dappled with simple solenoid vents along the lengths | 10:36 |
| _F7_ | just vent in front of a capsule to create a pressure differential | 10:36 |
| _F7_ | it's a lot less expensive, power, startup, and wear-wise, than blowers | 10:37 |
| _F7_ | the big thing I need to mock up in solidworks is the switch | 10:38 |
| _F7_ | big-double-facing revolver with as many chambers as it has barrels | 10:38 |
| _F7_ | ..in either direction | 10:39 |
| _F7_ | for unidirectional conduits, it can have different numbers of inputs and outputs since a capsule can enter from both directions and leave in the same direction if needed | 10:40 |
| _F7_ | it could even service bidirectional conduits if the conduits can be reserved while the capsule is in transit | 10:41 |
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| _F7_ | based on some estimations, a heirarchical mesh terminated in rings provides fairly fast distribution and scales about as well as any other network | 10:58 |
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| _F7_ | earlier today I took out a fruit fly | 11:27 |
| _F7_ | I watched it crash onto a surface of my laptop | 11:28 |
| _F7_ | and this little mite, flat and half as wide as the ball of the bic pen I stunned it with, starts crawling free | 11:29 |
| _F7_ | it appears to be flightless | 11:30 |
| _F7_ | since when do microinsects parasitize other insects? | 11:30 |
| _F7_ | I've seen the mites on bees, but fruit flies are jumpy | 11:31 |
| _F7_ | I don't know how they end up together | 11:31 |
| _F7_ | it'd be like having a CD crawling around your body, if you were superman | 11:31 |
| jrayhawk | prague had a big pneumatic tube network for a while | 11:33 |
| _F7_ | I read about it | 11:33 |
| _F7_ | Paris had a massive one | 11:33 |
| _F7_ | run by steam, over a hundred years ago | 11:33 |
| _F7_ | hundreds of nodes, some of which were automatic | 11:34 |
| _F7_ | humans really kick ass under constraints | 11:35 |
| _F7_ | parisian steam internet is insane | 11:35 |
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| _F7_ | Helinski, Finland is putting in a mandatory packet-switched vacuum garbage collection network for one of its districts | 11:40 |
| _F7_ | as in all buildings will have to add themselves to the network | 11:41 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I like the idea of autonomous cars | 11:41 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | using them like delivery vehicles | 11:41 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | but pneumatics would work better for the hyper-dense environments you're talking about | 11:42 |
| _F7_ | I like the idea of only needing a car when I leave my home city | 11:42 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | aka urban hell :p | 11:42 |
| _F7_ | It wouldn't take much | 11:42 |
| _F7_ | a small plot of land with good highway access and a reasonably wide utility connection | 11:43 |
| _F7_ | away from regulations that would hamper the experiment | 11:43 |
| kanzure | man this looks evil: http://jointhecteam.com/ "teach your students to respect our intellectual property monopolies" | 11:43 |
| _F7_ | that's terrifying | 11:44 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | jeez, whoever designed that must be a really fast reader | 11:44 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.gizmag.com/rice-university-iv-drip/22579/ << cheap biohacking | 11:54 |
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| delinquentme | anyone in here know their average resting heart rate? | 12:08 |
| JayDugger | I can make a guess. | 12:14 |
| _F7_ | about 58 | 12:14 |
| kanzure | zero, because i am heartless? | 12:14 |
| JayDugger | I have some HRV data, but it isn't very good. | 12:14 |
| JayDugger | I thought you'd replaced the meat pump with a ATOMIC TURBINE! | 12:15 |
| JayDugger | No pulse, just a steady high-speed whine. | 12:15 |
| JayDugger | Well done _F7_. | 12:15 |
| JayDugger | What's your secret? | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | im fucking 48!! | 12:16 |
| JayDugger | Really? | 12:17 |
| delinquentme | 2x 30 second counts @ 23/24 and a full 60 at 48 | 12:17 |
| delinquentme | yeah lol | 12:17 |
| delinquentme | 28 male | 12:17 |
| JayDugger | I envy your sound ticker. | 12:17 |
| delinquentme | dewd thats crazy | 12:17 |
| delinquentme | you want me to send you my torrent of insanity? | 12:17 |
| JayDugger | Not unless you plan to hire me to withstand it, and then only if you outbid my current employer. | 12:18 |
| delinquentme | lol | 12:19 |
| _F7_ | what is this torrent | 12:19 |
| delinquentme | _F7_ workout videos >_< | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | you know like stare at your tv and run | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | LOL | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | yeah i do that | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | " Jog it out people jog it out " ./mild shame | 12:25 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: you might be interested in this app i built, http://icardioescape.com/ | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | Oh hey heres a topic it might be a little out there but I think this is the best place I could discuss | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | Physical Force | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | cancel that | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | Force as a means of getting things done ... will that ever go away? | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | oh this is cool kanzure | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | you designed this? | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i coded it up. | 12:29 |
| JayDugger | My heart rate just measured at 70 bpm. | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | JayDugger, a week of insanity and youll see awesome results | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | like its hard as shit | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | but its only 20 minutes | 12:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, this is a cool idea | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | did you shoot the trails or is this stuff from istock photo or something? | 12:36 |
| kanzure | check the about page | 12:46 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, is the interface yours? | 12:47 |
| kanzure | nope, someone else did that | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i didn't want to | 12:50 |
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| _F7_ | delinquentme, are you afraid of entropy? | 12:59 |
| _F7_ | are you trying to figure out how to get things done without change in entropy? | 12:59 |
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| delinquentme | lol no not that complex | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | _F7_, i fancy myself a bit of a buddhist ... right? | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | however if "force" is going nowhere it would be unwise to pursue pacificsm on principle only | 13:18 |
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| klafka | hey | 18:09 |
| docl | howdy | 18:23 |
| klafka | i'm going to work on my mcmc sampler and listen to post-rock | 18:24 |
| mensch | awesome | 18:25 |
| klafka | such a shit storm of a day at work | 18:26 |
| * klafka will recover via code | 18:26 | |
| mensch | I feel your pain, code away | 18:26 |
| klafka | i think i want to watch some of this this weekend http://alex.smola.org/teaching/berkeley2012/systems.html | 18:28 |
| mensch | great link | 18:31 |
| klafka | i've been sitting on it for awhile | 18:31 |
| klafka | i need to work on a hadoop project next | 18:32 |
| klafka | >_< | 18:32 |
| klafka | i hate java | 18:32 |
| mensch | hit a snag today, some data I'm inputting into an svm has to be located from a 3.4GB xml file, which I really don't want to split up | 18:33 |
| klafka | why not parse it out of the XML file to something more compact? | 18:33 |
| klafka | is it you don't have enough space to run it in memory? | 18:34 |
| mensch | Yeah, I'm going to chuck in a db of some sort. | 18:34 |
| klafka | you could use like redis or something | 18:34 |
| klafka | or riak | 18:34 |
| mensch | I'm doing fine on the memory front, I think the module I'm using treats it as a stream | 18:34 |
| mensch | Time is the issue | 18:35 |
| klafka | time to process ? | 18:35 |
| klafka | and parse the xml? | 18:35 |
| mensch | I'll check those out. | 18:35 |
| klafka | they are key-value in memory dbs | 18:35 |
| * klafka sighs | 18:36 | |
| mensch | Heh | 18:37 |
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| * ybit throws brownies at Coornail | 20:57 | |
| ybit | 's doorstep | 20:57 |
| ybit | Burn_school burn | 20:57 |
| ybit | what's all the silent people working on? | 20:58 |
| klafka | mcmc sampler | 20:58 |
| klafka | having some problems :( | 20:58 |
| ybit | klafka: for what | 21:01 |
| ybit | augur: are you TAing this time around/ | 21:01 |
| ybit | superkuh: what are you doing these days? | 21:01 |
| ybit | you're my favorite person to stalk | 21:02 |
| ybit | where are you located btw? | 21:02 |
| superkuh | I am playing with GNU Radio and RTLSDR, and a very small scale (<1 J) dense plasma focus in 10^-3 torr air next to a cloud chamber. | 21:03 |
| superkuh | Wisconsin. | 21:03 |
| klafka | for fun | 21:04 |
| klafka | my discrete mcmc sampler doesn't seem to be converging | 21:04 |
| klafka | i'm not sure wtf | 21:04 |
| ybit | gnu radio, nice | 21:04 |
| klafka | it's so simple idk wth https://gist.github.com/2792125 | 21:05 |
| JayDugger | plasma focus, nice. | 21:05 |
| brownies | eh? | 21:06 |
| ybit | http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr whoah | 21:06 |
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| ybit | http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR | 21:08 |
| ybit | thanks superkuh | 21:08 |
| JayDugger | "The Department of Veterans Affairs, through its Center for Innovation, will make TechShop memberships available to veterans." | 21:13 |
| JayDugger | http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2012/05/24.aspx | 21:13 |
| JayDugger | No more details than that, yet. | 21:14 |
| JayDugger | https://www.va.gov/VAi2/TechShop.asp | 21:17 |
| JayDugger | Punchline: "1,000 two-year memberships will be made available to Veterans" and an email address for signing-up. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | do i qualify as a veteran? i've been to 'nam. | 21:34 |
| JayDugger | Did you get a DD-214? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | yeah i got a ddwrt router | 21:35 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 21:35 |
| JayDugger | Nope. I suspect the VA will stare blankly at the router. Bureaucrats love forms. | 21:36 |
| JayDugger | I don't think your time in the 'nam counts. VA benefits sucked for those poor schlobs, coming in at the tail end of the conscription era. | 21:37 |
| JayDugger | And you would have had to lie about your age to enlist, anyway. :) | 21:38 |
| JayDugger | It does me no good, either. I suspect they'll want the applicants to live near a TechShop. | 21:39 |
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| Coornail | don't throw stuff at me | 23:26 |
| * kanzure throws ybit at Coornail | 23:27 | |
| Coornail | why am I already up? | 23:33 |
| Coornail | I'm going to have a hell of a hangover…. | 23:33 |
| Coornail | anyways, do you have a question for me? | 23:36 |
| ybit | Coornail: what's your current project(s)? | 23:40 |
| Coornail | uh… well I'm a programmer, and I do have a tons of project I start and never go back =) | 23:41 |
| Coornail | I also ordered 120 small magnets | 23:41 |
| ybit | why? | 23:42 |
| Coornail | to stick it on my fingernails to see how it would feel an implant | 23:42 |
| Coornail | ~to have | 23:42 |
| Coornail | why I abandon projects? | 23:43 |
| ybit | you should start playing with your hard drive afterward | 23:43 |
| Coornail | good questio…. | 23:43 |
| ybit | yes, you read my mind | 23:43 |
| Coornail | I think that I have tons of good ideas, but I know how painful a software project could be and I just loose interest | 23:44 |
| ybit | i | 23:44 |
| ybit | 'm sorry to hear that | 23:44 |
| Coornail | it's better to help out in a bigger open-source project | 23:44 |
| Coornail | but then you have to deal with a lot of people | 23:45 |
| Coornail | so it's an another kind of a challenge | 23:45 |
| ybit | big open source project aye... kde? | 23:45 |
| ybit | it's way past my bedtime and i'm sore from kanzure manhandling me | 23:46 |
| ybit | going to call it a night | 23:46 |
| Coornail | have a good night then .o/ | 23:46 |
| * ybit waves gn as well | 23:47 | |
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