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| archels | kanzure: How's your FBI presentation coming along? | 01:43 |
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| rigel | oh ffs | 02:18 |
| rigel | transhumanism? | 02:18 |
| rigel | really? | 02:18 |
| rigel | christ almighty | 02:18 |
| strangewarp | You seem to have encountered some wacky transhumanists, or wacky reportage about transhumanists, maybe? Don't worry - this channel is for the professional ones who aren't crazy | 02:20 |
| joshcryer | I don't mind the crazy ones. | 02:45 |
| rigel | yeah, so people other than ray kurzweil et al? | 02:50 |
| rigel | because i'm not sure what "transhumanist" means outside of "crazy robophiliac" | 02:51 |
| rigel | even nootropics is something i have experimented with and found to be largely a dead end | 02:51 |
| rigel | you know, i read some books 20 years ago and then bought some drugs like 10-15 ago, and the experimentation thing was neat but going back and looking at the data the rationale was supposedly based on, i get all tongue-clucking and nostalgic for youthful stupidity | 02:52 |
| rigel | open hardware, definitely something i can get behind | 02:53 |
| joshcryer | That's where I am most interested. | 02:54 |
| rigel | biohacking, a little dnagerous (ha!), something i wouldnt let my children do, but as a molecular biologist and lifelong tinkerer i can understand the motivating idea behind | 02:54 |
| rigel | anyway, i came here referred by a github project, i think maybe pyphantomjs? | 02:58 |
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| kanzure | http://watchdocumentary.com/ | 05:07 |
| kanzure | archels: check the backlogs for the link | 05:07 |
| kanzure | rigel: yeah we really hate ray kurzweil | 05:07 |
| kanzure | rigel: also, i'm glad you got here by pyphantomjs :) that's absolutely awesome. | 05:08 |
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| Mariu | what's wrong with Ray ? | 06:15 |
| Mariu | :p | 06:15 |
| archels | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf | 06:53 |
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| eudoxia | ray has his moments | 08:35 |
| eudoxia | sometimes he's okay, then out of nowhere he goes on these pseudo-religious "in the future..." tirades that are more fit for an Orion's Arm fanfic | 08:36 |
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| gedankenstuecke | clear | 08:45 |
| gedankenstuecke | whops, missing / | 08:45 |
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| JayDugger | Well said, Eudoxia. | 08:59 |
| kanzure | archels: yes | 09:06 |
| archels | kanzure: Are there any slide notes? | 09:21 |
| kanzure | no, but there's a recordig somewhere | 09:23 |
| kanzure | *recording | 09:23 |
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| archels | kanzure: Just audio or also a video presentation? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | no video yet | 10:01 |
| kanzure | haven't presented | 10:01 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | IE6 simulator: http://mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/ie6/ | 10:09 |
| kanzure | why would you make such an awful thing | 10:10 |
| Mariu | Internet Explorer 6 ? | 10:10 |
| bkero | Wahahaha | 10:10 |
| Mariu | lol | 10:11 |
| audy | hahaha | 10:12 |
| audy | it's beautiful | 10:12 |
| audy | I like how the image is stored as a string | 10:13 |
| bkero | It makes me want to cry tears of HTML. | 10:15 |
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| rigel | as a working scientist in a concrete field, i find it laughable that mr. kurzweil thinks he can quantify the amount of information "we" have access to collectively | 11:04 |
| rigel | or knowledge, whatever | 11:04 |
| kanzure | rigel: you might be interested in reading this rebuttal to ray.. http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 11:04 |
| rigel | actually, no i wouldnt | 11:04 |
| bkero | 'how much is available to the internet at large'? | 11:04 |
| rigel | because this is the most brainpower i'eve spent considering kurzweil in the last 10 years and i think its been more than enough | 11:05 |
| rigel | let's move on | 11:05 |
| kanzure | rigel: okay. well, anyway, you don't have to try to convince us against ray in here. that's sorta like preaching to the choir. | 11:05 |
| Mariu | lol | 11:05 |
| kanzure | rigel: for all of ray's preaching, he's not really learned anything new in the past 30 years | 11:06 |
| kanzure | like, none of the "futurists" have acquired deep knowledge of molecular biology | 11:07 |
| kanzure | or even of making software or intricate chemistries to advance their goals | 11:07 |
| Mariu | what if they hire people ? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | he doesn't, though | 11:07 |
| kanzure | he pays amara about $11/hour to post to kurzweilai.net | 11:08 |
| kanzure | and sometimes hires tom for $8/hour to write the other awful articles | 11:08 |
| rigel | wow, no not only an ignorant douche, but a skinflint too | 11:08 |
| rigel | s/no/so/ | 11:08 |
| kanzure | yes i am an ignorant douche | 11:08 |
| kanzure | please make me less ignorant | 11:08 |
| rigel | i think a good heuristic is that anyone associated with the long now foundation is an arrogant fuckhole | 11:10 |
| rigel | also a dumbshit | 11:11 |
| rigel | see also: j craig venter | 11:11 |
| kanzure | haha | 11:11 |
| kanzure | let's hear it about craig | 11:11 |
| kanzure | i was talking with his company (synthetic genomics) a few weeks ago | 11:11 |
| kanzure | so i'd love to hear your take on him | 11:11 |
| kanzure | rigel: btw this was because i'm working on an open-source microfluidic dna synthesizer | 11:12 |
| rigel | well anyone that self-aggrandizing is pulling an edison, i.e. taking all the fame for others' ideas and implementation | 11:12 |
| rigel | neat | 11:12 |
| kanzure | oh sure | 11:13 |
| rigel | im interested in these newfangled open source pcr doohickers for confirmation of infection in developing countries | 11:13 |
| kanzure | he deinitely has an inflated ego | 11:13 |
| kanzure | but he's basically the only name popularly associated with the human genome project | 11:13 |
| kanzure | and plus, all of celera's bullshit with charging for that data | 11:13 |
| rigel | he did one thing that was enabled by massive wealth, which was essentially a brute-force algorighm made material, like 15 years ago now almost, and noone has stopped sucking his dick since then | 11:14 |
| jrayhawk | self-advocacy is rather important in marketing scientific knowhow to businesses | 11:15 |
| jrayhawk | somebody has to be the loud jerk to get things done | 11:15 |
| rigel | in the meantime, what has the human genome gotten us? not a whole lot in terms of concrete therapeutics, but it certainly perverted the popular notion of genes and reinforced ideas of genetic determinism | 11:15 |
| kanzure | it has lowered the cost of dna sequencing | 11:15 |
| rigel | yeah well, fuck businesses | 11:15 |
| rigel | to what end? | 11:15 |
| rigel | now we have a bunch of data pollution | 11:15 |
| rigel | because we dont know how to fucking mine it | 11:15 |
| kanzure | ncbi seems pretty well organized to me | 11:15 |
| rigel | we dont know which parts are salient and which arent | 11:16 |
| kanzure | have you checked their lame ftp server? | 11:16 |
| kanzure | they also have lots of annotation datasets | 11:16 |
| rigel | we were calling whole stretches "junk dna" for a decade | 11:16 |
| kanzure | who is? | 11:16 |
| kanzure | strawman | 11:16 |
| rigel | everyone was while i was going to school | 11:16 |
| kanzure | ok, well, stop going to school | 11:16 |
| kanzure | that's your first step | 11:16 |
| rigel | from 2000-2004, and its only in the last 4 years or so that people have stopped | 11:16 |
| rigel | i first heard the phrase "we used to call this junk dna, but" in 2009 | 11:17 |
| jrayhawk | gosh, how awful learning things is | 11:18 |
| kanzure | rigel: have you worked in a lab/group i might have heard of? | 11:18 |
| rigel | nope | 11:19 |
| kanzure | i was working with andy ellington for a bit | 11:19 |
| rigel | i dont know that name | 11:19 |
| kanzure | may or may not be recognizable.. oh ok | 11:19 |
| rigel | i worked in a scientifc backwater for about 3 years after undergrad | 11:19 |
| rigel | now i'm in med school | 11:19 |
| jrayhawk | what was the link to that dude who used genetic analysis to work out his kid wasn't able to declygate anything | 11:20 |
| jrayhawk | err, deglycate | 11:20 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: http://matt.might.net/articles/my-sons-killer/ | 11:21 |
| jrayhawk | yeah, the fact that we can characterize one-off genetic diseases like that seems incredibly badass to me | 11:21 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:21 |
| kanzure | i posted that to diybio and nobody replied- i'm super surprised | 11:21 |
| kanzure | that's as diy as you can get, what the hell guys | 11:22 |
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| rigel | that's fairly neat | 11:23 |
| bkero | How many of those do we have to have before we can map functions to our entire genome? | 11:23 |
| rigel | i have considered medical genetics as a specialty | 11:23 |
| rigel | would have done a thing this summer, but i have an opportunity to work on IP policy in DC instead, so i'm doing the latter | 11:23 |
| rigel | i am sure that the physician in charge of the genetics thing is upset with me because of that | 11:24 |
| rigel | bkero: 35,000 or so, minimum | 11:24 |
| bkero | rigel: well that doesn't seem so high | 11:25 |
| rigel | i mean, this stuff works on the individual level occasionally like in this story | 11:25 |
| kanzure | rigel: right, but in other cases it is much harder to figure out | 11:25 |
| rigel | but once you factor in interactions and shit like microRNAs, methylation, chromatin modifications | 11:25 |
| kanzure | heck, most protocols don't work unless you apply like 15 standard deviations in the level of carefulness you apply to each step | 11:25 |
| rigel | it's far less likely that something usable and generalizable will come out of it than throwing darts | 11:26 |
| jrayhawk | making estimates like 35,000 at this point seems a bit naive given how fast we're still discovering huge swaths of complexity related to epigenetics | 11:26 |
| rigel | that's one of the fundamental obstacles conceptually here, is how do we figure out the parameters under which we can generalize about this stuff | 11:26 |
| rigel | if anyone's interested, genomicsforum has a workgroup on gene-environment interactions that i'm on, it's small but just starting to get going | 11:27 |
| rigel | i have literally been pushing the gf leadership to let us have a wiki as a collaborative/discussion tool for a year and now they are doing that. | 11:28 |
| kanzure | a wiki takes like 5 minutes to set up | 11:28 |
| rigel | I KNOW | 11:28 |
| kanzure | they don't sound like a useful bunch of people, sorry | 11:28 |
| rigel | it's not the leadership that's the utility | 11:28 |
| rigel | they just spread the information to e.g. the APHA | 11:29 |
| rigel | i mean, conputer/IT knowhow is not well distributed within these organizations, but they still need to be aware of the science | 11:31 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure how you're supposed to separate bioinformatics from that knowhow | 11:31 |
| kanzure | sounds bogus to me | 11:31 |
| kanzure | are you making excuses for them :P | 11:31 |
| rigel | to some degree, yes | 11:32 |
| rigel | i mean, i have an agenda backed up by some data that i'm trying to present to this set of scientists, right, as an educational exercise | 11:32 |
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| kanzure | _F7_: did you get the details email about the location? | 11:34 |
| rigel | bioinformatics is the IT dept of science, basically. a lot of dismissive attitudes about others' lack of proficiency on the computron screen machine | 11:35 |
| kanzure | mostly bioinformatics people are extremely helpful | 11:35 |
| kanzure | it's much easier to get up to speed on bioinformatics | 11:35 |
| kanzure | if you're willing to spend 4 lab years learning about some lame plasmids, | 11:36 |
| kanzure | then you can certainly spend 6 months reading biopython/bioperl source code | 11:36 |
| kanzure | or playing around with other software. | 11:36 |
| rigel | i'm rambling, sorry | 11:36 |
| kanzure | rambling is my middle name! | 11:36 |
| rigel | i need to play a bit with pyphantomjs | 11:37 |
| kanzure | ah right | 11:37 |
| rigel | i want to automate my download of course material from sakai | 11:37 |
| kanzure | i've been working on a coffeescript scraping framework for phantomjs | 11:37 |
| rigel | which uses a fuckton of js, which gives me hives | 11:37 |
| kanzure | it's not released yet, but you might like to look at this: | 11:37 |
| kanzure | https://gist.github.com/25a38b9c5df048dcec4a | 11:37 |
| kanzure | (in particular start reading from the bottom) | 11:38 |
| kanzure | damn i should write documentation for this today | 11:38 |
| rigel | YES PLEASE | 11:38 |
| rigel | lack of documentation is the bane of my existence | 11:39 |
| kanzure | in the mean time, you can ask questions if things aren't self-explanatory | 11:39 |
| kanzure | well, that's why i haven't released it yet ;) | 11:40 |
| rigel | dont the :: and . operators do the same thing, i mean is there a difference there that i'm not appreciating or something? | 11:40 |
| rigel | i dont know coffeescript or js for that matter from my asshole | 11:41 |
| kanzure | :: is quick access to the javascript prototype for that object | 11:41 |
| kanzure | coffeescript is just a slightly more pleasant way to read/write javascript | 11:41 |
| kanzure | http://coffeescript.org/ has a pretty thorough tutorial on the front page | 11:41 |
| kanzure | i really hate writing javascript | 11:41 |
| rigel | yeah, i looked at that last night | 11:41 |
| kanzure | backbone.js is the only pleasant javascript i have ever worked with | 11:41 |
| kanzure | everything else can suck it | 11:42 |
| rigel | once i was done with your mom, etc | 11:42 |
| kanzure | right, right | 11:42 |
| rigel | holy crap | 11:45 |
| rigel | my raspberry pi shipped | 11:45 |
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| bkero | Mine should be here on monday | 11:53 |
| bkero | I have a delicious amount of embedded coming my way | 11:53 |
| bkero | a cotton candy fxi, a mk802, and a raspberry pi | 11:53 |
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| rigel | neat | 11:54 |
| rigel | i am hoping that the rpi will have enough horsepower to run this shitass java package on it | 11:55 |
| bkero | java? raspberry pi? | 11:55 |
| bkero | Good luck | 11:55 |
| rigel | i imagine it will, i just hope it works with the openjdk | 11:55 |
| bkero | I wouldn't let java anywhere near my pi | 11:55 |
| rigel | nod | 11:56 |
| rigel | i was gonna just use it as a print/audio server | 11:56 |
| rigel | but i'm stuck on email right now, and i have to use davmail (java) to access it because exchange sucks turds through a straw | 11:56 |
| kanzure | hint: don't use exchange | 11:57 |
| rigel | oh, right, because that decision is up to me | 11:57 |
| kanzure | also: don't use me for mail server advice, i'm apparently using gmail | 11:57 |
| rigel | thanks for the top | 11:57 |
| rigel | s/top/tip | 11:57 |
| rigel | i suppose i should set up an environment where i can cross-compile stuff for the pi huh | 11:58 |
| rigel | or is there an arm repo for debian | 11:58 |
| kanzure | i thought debian has arm binaries for most packages? | 11:59 |
| kanzure | i might be wrong | 11:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: this sounds like a thing you might know | 11:59 |
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| chris_99 | they do kanzure | 12:09 |
| chris_99 | what are you planning on using it for rigel? | 12:13 |
| rigel | tinkerin' | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | :) | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | i'm just using mine for video stuff atm | 12:14 |
| rigel | but i'd like to run it as a print server, ampache server, mail server (with davmail, which is java, to my continual dismay, and requires refactoring to get the GUI bits out of it) | 12:14 |
| rigel | or any combination thereof | 12:14 |
| rigel | my wife bought a second one for me so i can offload responsibilities as necessary | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | i'd personally use something more lightweight than apache | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | such as nginx / lighttpd | 12:15 |
| rigel | i dont know how well ampache plays with nginx | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | ampache? | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | you mean apache? | 12:15 |
| rigel | no, ampache | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | what's that? | 12:15 |
| rigel | http://lmgtfy.com/ampache | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | ah streaming | 12:16 |
| rigel | oy, i cant even construct a lmgtfy url correctly | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | indeed | 12:16 |
| rigel | i need more coffee, clearly | 12:16 |
| rigel | yeah, i have a bunch of services that i run at home that i want to offload from the current server | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | i've had issues with kernel panics + bittorrent :( | 12:17 |
| rigel | i do not use bittorrent | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | it's a network driver related issue from what i can tell | 12:17 |
| rigel | though i would like to throw up sabnzbdplus on there if it can handle it | 12:17 |
| rigel | though that comes with a built in webserver which is kind of a pita to disable and then configure with something else | 12:17 |
| rigel | because windows people use it, essentially | 12:18 |
| kanzure | hint: stop using.. etc. | 12:21 |
| rigel | stop using software that people using windows use? yeah, been trying to for a while | 12:23 |
| kanzure | maybe i should swtich strategies | 12:23 |
| kanzure | *switch | 12:23 |
| kanzure | and hit it at the source (e.g., people) | 12:23 |
| kanzure | you should stop interacting with people? :P | 12:23 |
| rigel | what im confused about is why exactly this sabnzbdplus package has to have a webserver natively, why they cant just put out separate pckages for it | 12:24 |
| rigel | i suppose i will be moving to hellanzb and trying to put some kind of web thing on top | 12:34 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah, Debian has both arm and amrel. I run those on my phone! | 13:07 |
| jrayhawk | But some of the Pi's hardware acceleration stuff isn't really going to be supported by generic packages. | 13:08 |
| jrayhawk | s/amrel/armel | 13:09 |
| chris_99 | yeah, for video for instance you need omxplayer | 13:09 |
| jrayhawk | apache's DAV implementation is the only one that isn't a giant PITA | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | lighty and nginx's DAV implementations are both incomplete, and pywebdav is tedious to get working through them. | 13:13 |
| _F7_ | bluh | 13:15 |
| _F7_ | things are too close to a major release at my workplace | 13:15 |
| chris_99 | heh, why use DAV | 13:15 |
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| jrayhawk | It's built-in to every platform, and, from a network administration perspective, more likely to work than FTP. | 13:16 |
| chris_99 | i prefer sftp | 13:16 |
| _F7_ | If I'd known about the specifics for the WMD meetup thing earlier they could have planned around it, but I can't get off work for the california trip. | 13:16 |
| jrayhawk | sftp is neither of those things. | 13:16 |
| chris_99 | it's far more secure than ftp and i don't use windows anyhow | 13:17 |
| jrayhawk | ftp has TLS extensions for both command and data streams. | 13:17 |
| chris_99 | i know but imo ftp is outdated | 13:17 |
| jrayhawk | that's not a useful word | 13:18 |
| chris_99 | why not? | 13:19 |
| jrayhawk | It carries no explicit meaning other than "old", but has lots of vague connotations which are difficult to untangle from context. | 13:20 |
| jrayhawk | I would be curious as to which connotations you were attempting to invoke, though. | 13:21 |
| chris_99 | ok it's crap then | 13:21 |
| chris_99 | any encryption mechanisms are simply bolt-ons rather than being part of the original protocol | 13:21 |
| jrayhawk | SSH is a bolt-on to RSH. | 13:22 |
| chris_99 | who's talking about RSH | 13:22 |
| jrayhawk | Do you think SSH is a bad protocol because it's a bolt-on? | 13:23 |
| chris_99 | it isn't a bolt on | 13:24 |
| chris_99 | Open SSH server runs by itself | 13:24 |
| chris_99 | so i havent got a clue what your saying | 13:24 |
| jrayhawk | What does "runs by itself" mean? | 13:25 |
| chris_99 | it's a server | 13:25 |
| jrayhawk | So is an FTP daemon that supports SSL/TLS. | 13:25 |
| jrayhawk | TLS/SSL and SSH are both secure encapsulations for existing protocols. | 13:25 |
| chris_99 | yes, but it's using an outdated protocol | 13:25 |
| chris_99 | openssh is a different thing entirely | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, what connotations of "outdated" are you attempting to invoke? | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | FTP is a plaintext protocol right | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | that wasn't designed for encryption | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | RSH is also a plaintext protocol. | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | RSH also wasn't designed for encryption. | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | what does RSH have to do with anything | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | Fortunately, encapsulation solves these problems. | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | RSH is to SSH what FTP is to FTPS or FTP+TLS. | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | no | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | it is not | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | Technically FTPS is better since it supports PKI rather than mere PSKs, but that's fairly trivial. | 13:28 |
| chris_99 | via SSL? | 13:29 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | because that's secure ;) | 13:29 |
| jrayhawk | are you being sarcastic? | 13:30 |
| chris_99 | slightly | 13:30 |
| kanzure | nmz787 says "This trip is around 55hours, got any audio learning stuff worth listening to?" | 13:30 |
| jrayhawk | Are you claiming that public key cryptography doesn't work? | 13:31 |
| chris_99 | nope, just flaws with SSL but they're unrelated to FTP | 13:31 |
| chris_99 | so not really relavent here | 13:32 |
| jrayhawk | Eh, it's not like this entire conversation has any particular relevance. | 13:34 |
| jrayhawk | I'm suprised kanzure hasn't kicked me yet. | 13:34 |
| kanzure | for pooing over ftp? i'm totally okay with that | 13:34 |
| chris_99 | also you've got silly little things that ftp allows like bouncing | 13:37 |
| chris_99 | (sometimes) | 13:37 |
| jrayhawk | Haha, that's a cute trick. Hadn't heard of that one. | 13:38 |
| chris_99 | it was used for server -> server transfers | 13:38 |
| ParahSailin | whats wrong with ssl | 13:39 |
| chris_99 | things like ssl beast | 13:39 |
| chris_99 | it only affects a certain version though | 13:39 |
| jrayhawk | SSL also got a bad rap because of Commodo and DigiNotar's use of obsolete hashes. | 13:43 |
| rigel | what connotation of "got a bad rap" are you intending to invoke | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | Alarmist news sites like touting that PKI is inherently broken and useless as a result of two authorities being compromised. | 13:45 |
| rigel | that sounds like a prescriptivist vs descriptivist debate | 13:46 |
| chris_99 | i'd like to know how many ~768 bit SSL sites are out there | 13:46 |
| chris_99 | has anyone conducted research with UV & yeast btw? | 13:47 |
| rigel | define "anyone" | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | you guys | 13:47 |
| rigel | i have not | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | i'm wondering whether you could isolate yeast strains that produce more alcohol after mutation | 13:49 |
| chris_99 | or if that's too difficult | 13:49 |
| rigel | to what end | 13:49 |
| chris_99 | it's for brewing | 13:50 |
| rigel | wyeast.com | 13:50 |
| chris_99 | yeah i've used some of their yeasts i think | 13:50 |
| rigel | red star has some high alcohol ones too iirc | 13:50 |
| rigel | ~20% | 13:50 |
| rigel | thats about as high as you can go | 13:51 |
| chris_99 | yeah 20% seems to be the current highest | 13:51 |
| rigel | and youd think that after thousands of years of selective breeding that that ceiling would have been broken by now | 13:52 |
| ParahSailin | 20% is pretty high | 13:53 |
| chris_99 | indeed | 13:54 |
| rigel | i was asking because i can see making the effort to streak your own yeast etc from the pov of getting novel flavor profiles, but purely for EtOH content i think it's probably better to go to a vendor | 13:56 |
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| chris_99 | yeah you're probably right | 13:57 |
| chris_99 | it would be cool to get different flavours now you mention it though | 13:58 |
| rigel | well thats very likely going to be a tradeoff | 13:58 |
| rigel | not directly | 13:58 |
| rigel | but you're going to be selecting for one thing at a time | 13:58 |
| chris_99 | is uv a sensible way to introduce mutations? | 13:59 |
| kanzure | do you want targetted mutatagenesis? then no | 13:59 |
| chris_99 | what other options are there? | 14:00 |
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| rigel | http://www.amazon.com/Yeast-Protocols-Methods-Molecular-Biology/dp/1617375691/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 | 14:01 |
| rigel | i have the older edition of this book as a pdf | 14:01 |
| rigel | if you have an email i can send it to | 14:01 |
| chris_99 | oh that'd be wicked | 14:02 |
| kanzure | email? pffttt https://www.filepicker.io/ | 14:03 |
| kanzure | note: dunno if that works | 14:03 |
| rigel | i dont use third party dropbox thingies, as a matter of policy | 14:06 |
| rigel | either you have an ftp/sftp i can dump it in, or i email it to you | 14:06 |
| kanzure | i have that, but perhaps another time. i'm lazy at the moment. | 14:07 |
| rigel | or, alternatively, if you have a bbs i can upload it to i will call you | 14:07 |
| rigel | kanzure: done | 14:07 |
| rigel | for those of you who dont know, the medlib-l list is great for getting individual papers | 14:07 |
| kanzure | rigel: we wrote our own scrapers | 14:08 |
| rigel | dont abuse it for journals that everyone "is supposed" to have | 14:08 |
| kanzure | we have 80 publisher-scrapers and are on track for acquiring a 100% complete mirror | 14:08 |
| kanzure | what the hell do you think my interest in phantomjs is? | 14:08 |
| rigel | o i c | 14:08 |
| * kanzure goes afk for a bit | 14:09 | |
| rigel | you are doing what i basically have dreamed of doing for the last 8 or 9 years | 14:09 |
| rigel | kudos | 14:09 |
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| jrayhawk | haha, now i am sad i don't have a BBS | 14:18 |
| rigel | i should clarify: 0day only | 14:19 |
| rigel | also NR | 14:19 |
| rigel | those are my terms | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: to dodge search-engine lawyers, you should distribute chatlogs and papers over gopher:// | 14:20 |
| rigel | there are logs of this channel? | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | topic | 14:21 |
| rigel | damn | 14:21 |
| rigel | right in the topic | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | oh damn, gecko dropped gopher support | 14:22 |
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| rigel | why are we not using gopher for mobile devices anyway | 14:29 |
| rigel | many mobile sites are set up in pretty much the same way | 14:29 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: nothing wrong with indexes | 14:49 |
| kanzure | rigel: NR? | 14:49 |
| rigel | no ratio | 14:50 |
| brownies | gopher still exists?! | 15:31 |
| brownies | filepicker.io was in the WSJ?! | 15:33 |
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| dixiebassline | isnt learning a bit of arabic to impress the help a waste of time | 16:15 |
| dixiebassline | jsut sayin' | 16:15 |
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| kanzure | dixiebassline: "the help" ? :P | 16:17 |
| yashgaroth | and 'impress' probably isn't the word I'd use | 16:17 |
| dixiebassline | lol | 16:17 |
| dixiebassline | i was just curious to the motication | 16:17 |
| dixiebassline | motivation* | 16:17 |
| dixiebassline | i came in after that | 16:17 |
| yashgaroth | I'm hoping for 'scare just enough that it's funny while avoiding federal prison' | 16:18 |
| dixiebassline | nice | 16:18 |
| rigel | did i miss something? | 16:19 |
| yashgaroth | not that I'll do it myself since I'm there on the FBI's good graces, rather than them paying my way (p.s. $66 a day for food? I didn't think the bay was that expensive) | 16:19 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: or maybe you're just cheap ;) | 16:20 |
| kanzure | $20/meal isn't that unreasonable in general | 16:20 |
| yashgaroth | ehh, I guess not | 16:20 |
| kanzure | rigel: yes you did | 16:20 |
| yashgaroth | the FBI is bringing in DIYbio people for a workshop wherein we convince them we're not all bioterrorists | 16:21 |
| kanzure | rigel: the fbi's weapons of mass destruction directorate is flying a bunch of us biohacking peeps out to give presentations to their special agents | 16:21 |
| rigel | im sure that will go over well | 16:21 |
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| kanzure | rigel: went fine last year | 16:21 |
| kanzure | rigel: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2011/2011-07-13.txt | 16:22 |
| kanzure | rigel: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf | 16:22 |
| yashgaroth | my plan was to take a call and start screaming at the phone in arabic, then hang up casually | 16:22 |
| kanzure | my alteration of his plan is "introduce ourselves in arabic to the agents" | 16:22 |
| yashgaroth | feds are known for their sense of humor so it should go well | 16:22 |
| rigel | the thing thats always struck me about the bioterrorism paranoia is that the sort of movie plot threats these people think of require way too much in terms of infrastructure, planning, and intelligence for your garden variety anarchist to see to completion | 16:23 |
| kanzure | i think they are worried more about state-sponsored bioterrorism | 16:23 |
| kanzure | but they also want to make sure the diybio peeps are informed about when to contact an agent | 16:23 |
| rigel | thats not so much terrorism as war | 16:23 |
| rigel | if it's a state actor | 16:24 |
| kanzure | for instance, someone came in here a few months ago with a stunning plot to rob from a BSL 4 facility | 16:24 |
| kanzure | *state-sponsored BSL 4 facility | 16:24 |
| kanzure | that's not cool in general :| | 16:24 |
| rigel | what were they going to steal | 16:24 |
| kanzure | paperclips, it doesn't matter, i don't want to be associated with that | 16:24 |
| rigel | a "plot" is only as good as its feasibility | 16:25 |
| rigel | its like the miami 7, you know? | 16:25 |
| yashgaroth | aren't they all state sponsored? | 16:25 |
| dixiebassline | well hippies are too stupid to be terrorists, so are muslims | 16:25 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: i sure hope not, surely there's at least one commercial bsl 4 lab?? | 16:25 |
| dixiebassline | we know the fbi did the first wtc bombing | 16:25 |
| dixiebassline | so they are the team to play for | 16:25 |
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| yashgaroth | um, the ELF has proven fairly effective at bombing GMO labs | 16:25 |
| rigel | lul? | 16:25 |
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| @kanzure | no 911 truthers | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | damn. | 16:25 |
| rigel | there's a reason why all the sovreign citizens, militia types, christian nutbars, etc go out and get lots of guns and explosives | 16:26 |
| rigel | it's proximal to their goal | 16:27 |
| rigel | engaging in a potentially years long plan to make anthrax powder is just so distal based on current levels of education etc, that it's laughable | 16:28 |
| rigel | it's a hell of a lot more lucrative to just go out and make meth | 16:28 |
| rigel | and buy guns | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | sure. | 16:29 |
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| @kanzure | regulating whether or not i play around with microbes at 3am isn't going to change whether or not someone else does | 16:29 |
| rigel | IF MICROBES ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE MICROBES | 16:29 |
| rigel | hee | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | rigel: concealed petridish license | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | <--- licensed to carry | 16:30 |
| yashgaroth | that's texas for you | 16:30 |
| rigel | oh, was the synthesis.cc guy part of this? | 16:31 |
| rigel | i think i recall reading about it | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | last year, yes. not this year. | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | rob is sorta known as an asshole | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | and sorta impractical with his engineering. $100k to make a thermocycler? wtf man | 16:31 |
| yashgaroth | he showed up at the seattle meetings, seemed nice enough but I think he was pimping his book so | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | he's pretty good at self-publicity | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | likes to somehow get involved with weird government/policy groups | 16:32 |
| rigel | so you know | 16:32 |
| rigel | MSF is really who yall need to be working with | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | mswho? | 16:32 |
| rigel | medecins sans frontieres | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | without frontiers? erm? | 16:32 |
| rigel | doctors without borders | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | ah, probably | 16:32 |
| rigel | a while back maradydd wanted to start a biohacking thing at noisebridge, where i was hanging out | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | noisebridge was against it | 16:33 |
| rigel | yeah | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | but they seem to be doing somethign now with .. r.. someone | 16:33 |
| rigel | i was part ofthat | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | r.. rik.. | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | whatever. his shroom shit. | 16:33 |
| rigel | because they really didnt know what the fuck they were doing | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | tito? yeah.. | 16:33 |
| rigel | i think it's developed a bit more | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | yeah, different people | 16:34 |
| rigel | safety, big concern | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | and the others went off to biocurious | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | have you been to biocurious yet? | 16:34 |
| rigel | im glad to see it has developed a bit | 16:34 |
| rigel | no, i dont live in sf anymore | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | ah. | 16:34 |
| rigel | it sounds like theres real opportunities though to train people through the diy/open paradigm to work on shit that PhRMA et al just dont care about | 16:35 |
| rigel | or actively sabotage | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | yes i agree | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | especially rare diseases | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | or shit that costs $10,000/dose | 16:35 |
| rigel | thats what im interested in, is building bridges between the hackers of all stripes, and the global poor and domestic underserved | 16:35 |
| dixiebassline | comie | 16:35 |
| rigel | damn right | 16:35 |
| dixiebassline | lol | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | i'm really curious why these rare disease groups haven't been doing their own biology riggups | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | like, screw the fda- you guys need your blood drugs | 16:36 |
| dixiebassline | man weve been trying to bring hackers together forever | 16:36 |
| dixiebassline | its like herding cats | 16:36 |
| rigel | it always is | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | "bring hackers together" is a throw-away phrase, it's just something you ignore when reading | 16:36 |
| rigel | its politics, and its perception | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | "bring hackers together' is a lame way of saying "put up a public git repo" | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | oh god mismatched quotes | 16:36 |
| dixiebassline | we've got hacker public radio | 16:36 |
| dixiebassline | been around for years now | 16:37 |
| yashgaroth | hey guys would you like to join my hacker collective | 16:37 |
| @kanzure | no | 16:37 |
| dixiebassline | but hacker is kind of like anarchist | 16:37 |
| dixiebassline | the only good ones ar locked up | 16:37 |
| rigel | dixiebassline: thats the perception i was talkin about | 16:37 |
| dixiebassline | :) | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should just ignore what other people think, and get work done | 16:38 |
| rigel | i am too old to be the angry young man anymore | 16:38 |
| ThomasEgi | yashgaroth, that totaly made my day :D | 16:38 |
| yashgaroth | heh | 16:38 |
| dixiebassline | yes | 16:38 |
| dixiebassline | ignore all the other people | 16:38 |
| dixiebassline | especially ppl that claim to be related | 16:39 |
| rigel | ok i REALLY need to get back to studying trypanosomes | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | well, so far you've just talked bunches of politics i think | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | so you might not actually be skilled | 16:39 |
| dixiebassline | 'fuck the haters' | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | who are you anyway? | 16:39 |
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| dixiebassline | who are you> | 16:40 |
| rigel | kanzure: who are you directing that to | 16:40 |
| kanzure | rigel: not you | 16:40 |
| kanzure | dixiebassline: http://heybryan.org/ | 16:40 |
| dixiebassline | http://www.jackparsonslabs.com/ kanzure | 16:41 |
| ThomasEgi | ufos near sun? | 16:41 |
| rigel | ableton? | 16:41 |
| rigel | ponce. | 16:41 |
| kanzure | so you do social media blogging? | 16:41 |
| * kanzure goes back to adding documentation to that thing i promised rigel | 16:42 | |
| ThomasEgi | with an illuminati-irc name?.. | 16:42 |
| dixiebassline | im mainly working on music production | 16:42 |
| rigel | with ableton? | 16:42 |
| rigel | ponce. | 16:42 |
| dixiebassline | why not | 16:43 |
| dixiebassline | :P | 16:43 |
| ThomasEgi | dixiebassline, you believe in extraterestrial lens reflections? | 16:43 |
| dixiebassline | idk what that means | 16:43 |
| chris_99 | i know this is off-topic but does anyone know something similar to neatx that seems to be still developed | 16:44 |
| dixiebassline | reality is so... realitive | 16:44 |
| ThomasEgi | http://www.jackparsonslabs.com/2012/05/06/ufos-near-earths-sun/ | 16:44 |
| ThomasEgi | that picture | 16:44 |
| dixiebassline | oh idk | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | have you seen that video thouh | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | its mind blowing | 16:45 |
| ThomasEgi | i have multimedia stuff disabled in my browser | 16:45 |
| ThomasEgi | the pic is all i saw | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | oh | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | yeah theres som video from nasa | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | and it looks like theres this thing at the sun | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | idk | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | ill never know | 16:45 |
| dixiebassline | no one will | 16:46 |
| kanzure | dixiebassline: tone it down | 16:46 |
| chris_99 | a sun spot? | 16:46 |
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| dixiebassline | oh, kanzure he was aksing about this picture, \\\ | 16:46 |
| dixiebassline | ill take to pm if its bothering your channel | 16:47 |
| dixiebassline | im not here to be distruptive | 16:47 |
| * ThomasEgi is not impressed with stuff like that. | 16:47 | |
| ThomasEgi | people take grains of dust and lens reflections ways to serious | 16:47 |
| dixiebassline | i think its fun to take stuff like that and put it to the music ive been making because ppl dont take it seriously | 16:48 |
| dixiebassline | and sometimes ppl like voice in their music | 16:48 |
| chris_99 | Pareidolia ThomasEgi | 16:49 |
| ThomasEgi | not sure if that's the same as seeing things you want to see. | 16:51 |
| dixiebassline | chris_99, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ulqsAgrlYI | 16:51 |
| dixiebassline | erm | 16:52 |
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| dixiebassline | i ment to send that in pb | 16:52 |
| dixiebassline | and pm | 16:52 |
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| Jora | business is not fun blargh | 18:11 |
| rigel | https://github.com/timknip/pyswf | 18:12 |
| rigel | does someone want to take a look at that library and see why it's not dumping the TEXTRECORD when you export to SVG? | 18:12 |
| rigel | it seems to pull layout and graphics information fine, but the text gets lost somewhere | 18:13 |
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| joshcryer | kanzure, I've only read the first part of this Fernhout thing and I'm glad someone did this, pretty much reflects where I stand on Kurzweil (of course that was probably apparent over the years, but eh, still a nice piece of rhetoric so far). | 19:56 |
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| @kanzure | joshcryer: yeah, it was sorta like "great, now i don't have to write this" | 20:51 |
| * joshcryer nods | 20:54 | |
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| @kanzure | hi klafka | 23:26 |
| klafka | hey kanzure | 23:27 |
| klafka | this is in bart right now | 23:27 |
| klafka | http://imgur.com/Aniav,chWwL#0 | 23:27 |
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