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| Utopiah | http://barabasilab.neu.edu/projects/tedmed/ | 00:01 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.brepettis.com/blog/2009/3/3/the-cult-of-done-manifesto.html | 02:20 |
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| archels | kanzure: What is LUF, TMP? | 04:41 |
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| chris_99 | anyone read 'Human Enhancement' | 05:37 |
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| archels | chris_99: URL? | 06:03 |
| chris_99 | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Human-Enhancement-Julian-Savulescu/dp/0199594961/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338901443&sr=8-1 | 06:04 |
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| @kanzure | archels: LUF is a weird "501c3" (not really?) built around savage's book, TMP is 'the millineal project' | 06:33 |
| @kanzure | archels: http://tmp2.wikia.com/ | 06:33 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: haha i see you're still trying to not follow my advice about reading 'transhumanist' books. | 06:33 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: you'll be disappoint. | 06:33 |
| Mariu | :p | 06:35 |
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| chris_99 | heh | 06:37 |
| @kanzure | https://bitbucket.org/iorodeo/transilluminator_enclosure/src | 06:42 |
| @kanzure | On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@gmail.com> wrote: | 06:43 |
| @kanzure | > The problem is, there are great methods out there, but they're patented | 06:43 |
| @kanzure | > just use cold (insoluble) potato starch to purify proteins. But, it's | 06:43 |
| @kanzure | > patented in the EU for another few years at least, and possibly in the | 06:43 |
| @kanzure | > US for the time being, too. | 06:43 |
| @kanzure | > to oblivion. Consider Maltose-Binding Protein: You could, in principal, | 06:43 |
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| @kanzure | "The Assange Show on RT tonight, June 5, covers Cypherpunks as source of WikiLeaks:" http://www.rt.com/news/julian-assange-internet-war-cypherpunk-989/ | 06:45 |
| @kanzure | well at least he's admitting it now | 06:46 |
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| @kanzure | maybe he will also admit its origins with extropy-chat | 06:46 |
| @kanzure | fun fact: extropy-chat was good for something once (wikileaks) | 06:46 |
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| @kanzure | whois Srdjan Gavrilovic <sasvimlogicno@gmail.com> | 08:27 |
| Urchin | I have no clue | 08:37 |
| Urchin | though he sounds like he's from my region | 08:38 |
| Urchin | though his name sounds serbian | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | "The second class will be BIOCAMP 101, which is targeted at people with little to no biology experience, or those who want to get hands on with biology. This is the the bootcamp version of the original biotech 101 class, in that it is condensed into one weekend to make it more convenient- let me know if this is not a good way to do it. This will be on Friday 22 and Sunday 24." | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | "On Saturday, we will go practice aseptic technique, learn about different kinds of media, and then put new genes (DNA) into bacteria! On Sunday 24, we will extract DNA or protiens from transformed bacteria and visualize it on an agarose gel. Sign up HERE." | 08:41 |
| @kanzure | how about a non-beginner bootcamp :| | 08:41 |
| @kanzure | "3rd postdoc bootcamp" | 08:41 |
| Urchin | lol | 08:42 |
| Urchin | I'm guessing these things are a bit advanced | 08:42 |
| Urchin | *I haven't talked to biologists in a while now | 08:43 |
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| @kanzure | new! subscribe to ##hplusroadmap log digests by emailing sadrobot@gnusha.org | 09:08 |
| Urchin | why? | 09:24 |
| @kanzure | sorta kidding. | 09:26 |
| Urchin | I was actually considering putting my version of this log online | 09:27 |
| Urchin | it's a single file log that has the past 26 days at least | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | go for it | 09:28 |
| Urchin | just a moment | 09:33 |
| Urchin | http://transhumanizam.fizika.org/hplusroadmap.log | 09:34 |
| Urchin | there you go | 09:34 |
| Urchin | 5.6 MB | 09:35 |
| Urchin | just a warning | 09:35 |
| Urchin | and growing in real time | 09:35 |
| Urchin | and it starts in February | 09:36 |
| @kanzure | Urchin: if you want the previous years you could grab them from http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 09:38 |
| Urchin | I have an older log somewhere | 09:39 |
| Urchin | at one point I had a couple of hundred MB of chat logs that I had to get off the server due to user quota | 09:41 |
| Urchin | and it's in a tarball somewhere | 09:41 |
| Urchin | my current collection of logs is running at 100+ MB | 09:41 |
| Urchin | and that's from every channel I'm on | 09:42 |
| archels | "how to tell if you're an ircaddict" | 09:42 |
| @kanzure | i have a few gigs of various logs. | 09:42 |
| Urchin | they don't let me have a few gigs here | 09:43 |
| ThomasEgi | my tar.gz'd logs are already 44megs | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | prison? | 09:43 |
| Urchin | shell server | 09:43 |
| Urchin | 800 MB quota | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | when was that quota set? 1998? | 09:44 |
| Urchin | more like 2008 | 09:44 |
| Urchin | they got fed up with people downloading 20GB+ of stuff | 09:44 |
| Urchin | soft limit is a bit over DVD size | 09:45 |
| Urchin | there are hundreds of users (though most don't use it) | 09:46 |
| Urchin | the quota could use a bit of expanding, truth be told | 09:49 |
| Urchin | the disk seems to have grown | 09:49 |
| Urchin | but, I do get the service for free, so... | 09:50 |
| Mariu | oh, nice | 09:53 |
| Mariu | downloading hardware | 09:53 |
| Mariu | @ Gnusha | 09:53 |
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| thekoranbelt | future civilization should have a barrier of entry | 11:01 |
| thekoranbelt | you must be at least this + to enter | 11:01 |
| Mariu | what does + stand for ? | 11:02 |
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| thekoranbelt | thats the kicker | 11:17 |
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| @kanzure | "In August 2006, the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) ordered examiners to stop using Wikipedia as a source of information for determining the patentability of inventions." | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | "However, according to The Patent Librarian's Notebook's blog, examiners continue to cite it, and the number of United States patents issued in 2008 that cited Wikipedia articles nearly doubled to 477, compared to 2007.[20] It increased to 809 citations in 2009.[21]" | 12:46 |
| not_unoriginal | blobjectivity? | 12:46 |
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| @kanzure | gfp dinoflagellates at biocurious http://www.meetup.com/BioCurious/events/65346872/ | 13:36 |
| @kanzure | oh nevermind | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | they are naturally bioluminescent. how disappointing :P | 13:38 |
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| @kanzure | fuck udacity :( | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5LrTUeawyfI | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | friend of mine is learning python | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | this is *not* how you parse html | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | raaawwwrr :V | 16:28 |
| chris_99 | ? | 16:29 |
| Mariu | lol | 16:30 |
| brownies | to be fair, most people just flat out shouldn't parse HTML | 16:35 |
| chris_99 | how do you parse html | 16:36 |
| chris_99 | oh theres a video | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | you should parse html with a library, like lxml or beautifulsoup | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | you should never find yourself writing your own html parser | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | if that happens, you have done something terribly wrong | 16:38 |
| chris_99 | it depends what your doing, if you want something simple you could hack up a regex | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | no! never use a regexp to parse html. | 16:39 |
| chris_99 | for a simple script its ok | 16:40 |
| chris_99 | html is a kludgy mess anyway | 16:40 |
| @kanzure | you know what's even simpler? "import beautifulsoup" | 16:40 |
| brownies | bsoup is really quite nice | 16:41 |
| chris_99 | ideally we should be able to use a nice xml parser | 16:41 |
| @kanzure | that's what it is. | 16:41 |
| chris_99 | not exactly | 16:41 |
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| brownies | the problem is that there is a lot of HTML out there that is not well-formed | 16:42 |
| brownies | browser-makers correct for it in the rendering process, so it happily goes on existing | 16:42 |
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| chris_99 | some of you guys use django/rails right? | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | yes | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | i use both. | 17:09 |
| chris_99 | do those have a way to compile all files to bytecode? | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | python has its own bytecode format (".pyc") | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | but that's probably not what you mean? | 17:14 |
| chris_99 | sort of i mean is there a way to bundle all the bytecode together, without needing any source files | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | why would you want to do that | 17:18 |
| chris_99 | well i'm sort of curious, as if it's not dependant on the source, why can't it do that | 17:19 |
| chris_99 | but maybe it is dependant on the source | 17:19 |
| chris_99 | to put it more clearly | 17:20 |
| chris_99 | i want to see if all my source can be compiled cleanly | 17:20 |
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| ParahSailin | you want to distribute something without the source? | 17:32 |
| chris_99 | no | 17:35 |
| chris_99 | i want to compile all source | 17:35 |
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| delinquentme | anyone else started reading theils #17 class notes? | 17:52 |
| delinquentme | I think some of his thoughts on AI development are very very large ( ? ) steps. | 17:53 |
| yashgaroth | what/where | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: in general, you shouldn't think about compiling python or ruby source code | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | internally, there's a byte code for their VMs but that's not particularly useful for you | 17:58 |
| chris_99 | guess i'll stick to java for the time being | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | why? | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand. | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | maybe i've misrepresented something to you. | 18:01 |
| chris_99 | i like the idea of being able to know all my source files are syntactically correct | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | it will tell you if it's wrong. | 18:04 |
| chris_99 | for all files? even if you don't execute that specific method? | 18:05 |
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| @kanzure | chris_99: correct | 18:07 |
| chris_99 | cool | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | if you load it into the environment, then yes it will check it | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | but if you load code later, like "randomfile.rb" randomly, it will only check that at runtime | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | i mean.. erm. | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | if in one of your methods, you include a file.. | 18:07 |
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| chris_99 | ah, so django or rails will compile all files to bytecode for you? | 18:10 |
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| chris_99 | when they change | 18:10 |
| chris_99 | time for bed, cheers for the heads up | 18:14 |
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| @kanzure | ruby/python both have to interpret the source code somehow, this is how interpreters work | 18:17 |
| @kanzure | i am probably making this too complicated for chris_99 | 18:18 |
| @kanzure | most django/rails users aren't expected to care about these things | 18:18 |
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| delinquentme | yashgaroth, A leading candidate for an invisible barrier in AI is the complexity of the code. The might be some limit where the software becomes too complicated as you produce more and more lines of code. | 19:08 |
| delinquentme | are we at the point now where codebases are too complex? | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | is this peter thiel or some other thiel | 19:08 |
| delinquentme | Ok then what do we do with them | 19:08 |
| delinquentme | peter thiel | 19:08 |
| delinquentme | I say the code base is then replaced with something manageable | 19:09 |
| delinquentme | or refactored | 19:09 |
| delinquentme | and better tools are developed | 19:09 |
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| delinquentme | " codebase too big " is too absolute | 19:09 |
| delinquentme | also his take on biotech being heavily regulated | 19:10 |
| delinquentme | sure once you're into clinical | 19:10 |
| delinquentme | but literally you can put anything in a lab and run it | 19:10 |
| delinquentme | hence why people are biohacking | 19:10 |
| yashgaroth | ehh not so much, biohackers haven't done much beyond glowing bacteria...on the wetwork side at least | 19:11 |
| notunoriginalAFK | are you serious? | 19:11 |
| yashgaroth | who, me? | 19:11 |
| notunoriginalAFK | check out a forum devoted to body building or nootropics | 19:12 |
| notunoriginalAFK | people are buying strange powders or peptide molecules and injecting them or otherwise ingesting them | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | 1 that's not in a lab 2 it's not genetic engineering, which I'd consider to be biohacking; if you want to take that angle, drinking coffee is "biohacking" | 19:13 |
| yashgaroth | peptides/proteins, with the exception of the rare genuine HGH, are a scam | 19:14 |
| notunoriginalAFK | okay so biohacking refers to a very small sliver of human biological experimentation | 19:14 |
| yashgaroth | something beyond steroids and stimulants, yes | 19:15 |
| atum | lsd | 19:15 |
| atum | dmt | 19:15 |
| atum | that sort of stuff? | 19:15 |
| yashgaroth | though of course the people at grindhouse seem to think anything subdermal is automatically "bio"hacking | 19:15 |
| notunoriginalAFK | nootropics. | 19:15 |
| yashgaroth | yes, commonly available drugs | 19:15 |
| yashgaroth | there's no DIY science in those, beyond measuring dose response and other banal shit | 19:16 |
| yashgaroth | everyone seems to have a different opinion of biohacking's definition, much like with transhumanism | 19:17 |
| notunoriginalAFK | I mean tabletop home pcr is neat I guess | 19:18 |
| notunoriginalAFK | lab-on-a-chip under $n is going to be the turning point | 19:18 |
| yashgaroth | oh totally, but I can buy some old used PCR machine off ebay, sometimes for less than whatever kickstarter is manufacturing one | 19:18 |
| notunoriginalAFK | and then what. | 19:19 |
| notunoriginalAFK | bbl dog walk time | 19:19 |
| yashgaroth | well sure with accessible microfluidics you lower a lot of a barriers | 19:19 |
| yashgaroth | but back to delinquentme, you can't really do 'anything' in a lab...it's just that clinical GMP manufacturing is so tightly regulated as to be absurd | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, when I say 'anything' | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | i mean that theres no regulation | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | you dont need to be UL tested | 19:21 |
| yashgaroth | there are theoretically inspections by the fire dept., and if you're receiving 'hazardous' materials there is another level of requirements | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | well yeah thats employee health | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | I mean you're not going through FDA approval to make a machine that you can use commerially in a lab | 19:23 |
| yashgaroth | and environmental protection - I was annoyed to find that triton x-114 is technically hazmat | 19:23 |
| delinquentme | commercially ** | 19:23 |
| yashgaroth | machinery is much less strict | 19:23 |
| yashgaroth | ok I found his class notes | 19:24 |
| yashgaroth | for those following along at home, http://blakemasters.tumblr.com/post/24464587112/peter-thiels-cs183-startup-class-17-deep-thought I guess | 19:25 |
| atum | if you want noots get em from hong kong | 19:25 |
| atum | mayeb set up somethign to test them on arrival | 19:25 |
| yashgaroth | I don't have a problem sourcing them locally | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | sonicator is the instrument i was gonna say | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | like you rig up a back massager into a sonicator | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | no one is stopping you .. unless you've got clearly ghetto rigged wires and obviously bad priactices | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, yeah it looks like i failed w the link | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | sure but you're not working with any sort of chemicals, so the government doesn't give a fuck | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | but thats HUGE | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | HUUUGGGEEE | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | everyone and their stupid ass group think " biotech takes long time " | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | pharma and the FDA take along time | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | the equipment doesn't | 19:28 |
| delinquentme | =] | 19:28 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 19:28 |
| atum | werd, and pharma and the fda are part of the problem | 19:28 |
| atum | not the solution | 19:28 |
| yashgaroth | waiting for a significant clinical outcome does, at least according to the FDA | 19:28 |
| atum | regulation is for commies | 19:28 |
| atum | i want to throw science at the wall and see what sticks | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | hey man I'm a commie and I still think clinical trials are a massive overexpense | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | ten years, a billion dollars each...and most of them fail anyway | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | R&D is expensive, but not compared to human testing | 19:29 |
| atum | so let people compete for a chance to become test subjects | 19:30 |
| atum | maybe they already do | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | sure, if they have the disease | 19:31 |
| atum | well, theres the first come first serve clinical trials | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | the regulation around running the clinical trial is what takes the expense, you're not paying the test subjects | 19:31 |
| atum | where they pay the subjects | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | atum, lolol | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | they only pay for the phase 1 safety testing in healthy people | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | i too feel that these regulations are put forth by fascists | 19:32 |
| atum | i was thinking about portal, and then remembered ppl do go to these trials | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | i haven't seen any proposals for an alternative to the FDA | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | Lets just bomb some of it on the islands that still have feral people | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | see what happens | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | you don't want snakesoil salesmen like "reasonattl" from fightaging.org | 19:32 |
| atum | werd | 19:33 |
| atum | hey america was built on snake oil | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | just like I haven't seen an alternative to the patent system :/ | 19:33 |
| atum | wasnt that rockefellers first gig | 19:33 |
| atum | or carnagie | 19:33 |
| atum | one of the maganates | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | Oh no im just saying that biotech != FDA and the pharma approval times | 19:33 |
| atum | werd | 19:34 |
| yashgaroth | it's = for biopharma | 19:34 |
| atum | regulation is only for ppl that want to play in the system | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: the patent system isn't to protect you from snakeoil | 19:34 |
| atum | biotech can easily be done underground and have much faster results | 19:34 |
| delinquentme | its to ensure proper pricing and margins on snakeoil | 19:34 |
| yashgaroth | no, patents provide a way to get funding for research | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | ok, so again, i don't see why "just like I haven't seen an alternative to the patent system" is relevant | 19:35 |
| atum | its quite likely that there are clandestine facilities where research is advanced and not regulated | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | and plus, sure you have (no patets at all) | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | *patents | 19:35 |
| atum | black budget facilities or something | 19:35 |
| atum | maas biotech | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | atum: i haven't seen any. | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | because you can't just replace either system because it'd be good to do so | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | most of the clandenstine drug labs are barely operational | 19:35 |
| atum | and youve been around a bit you say kanzure | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | but this is because of economic incentivizes to not be large | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | (i.e. if you're too large it's much easier to be found by authorities, unless you're not selling anything of course..) | 19:36 |
| atum | werd, because there is no benifite to making a secret drug unless its designed to kill | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | what? | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | wtf? | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | who are you anyway | 19:36 |
| atum | ie; race specific bioweapons failure | 19:36 |
| yashgaroth | uhhh | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | http://vimeo.com/43431035 | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | tactus .. tactile buttons from your smartphone screen | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | meh | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | tactus was spamming the open manufacturing list | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | i blocked them. | 19:38 |
| yashgaroth | dat narrator | 19:38 |
| atum | no ones going to let you use a chemical weapon in conventional theatre., so theres no point in developing it in secret. so --- as you say this is because of economice incentives to not be large | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | no, i wasn't talking about weapon development | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | i was talking about meth labs. | 19:38 |
| atum | oh | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | the larger your economic footprint, the easier it is to be found out. | 19:39 |
| atum | same thing | 19:39 |
| atum | amirite | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | nope. | 19:39 |
| atum | well thanks to the war on drugs meth production has moved into mexico | 19:39 |
| atum | now its a cia business | 19:39 |
| atum | problem solved | 19:39 |
| atum | OUTSOURCE | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | it hasn't all moved into mexico, no. | 19:39 |
| atum | methtowns are aweful | 19:39 |
| atum | sort of like crack is weaponized cocaine - bad for some people, but otherwise good for business | 19:40 |
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| @kanzure | you deal with this | 19:41 |
| * kanzure goes back to coding | 19:41 | |
| @yashgaroth | the power | 19:41 |
| atum | ive done enough meth to know how bad it is | 19:41 |
| atum | when i lived in arkansas the bomb squad and hazmat would go by once a month or so | 19:41 |
| atum | busting up a lab | 19:41 |
| @yashgaroth | I lost the thread of this conversation a while ago | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | fff | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, so i sent a message to the genome compiler guy and basically told him that I dont think he wants a photoshop for synthetic biology but instead a automation pipeline | 19:43 |
| atum | there was a misunderstanding about the nature of the labs initially | 19:43 |
| atum | but otherwise like new | 19:43 |
| @yashgaroth | I don't wanna do it | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | he replied that we basically lack the hardware integration | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: that guy isn't very bright. he built his whole company around Adobe Air | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | yeah, he's not a hardware guy if he's using adobe air | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | lol kanzure i mean its a tool | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | i don't have a lot of respect for him | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | it works and he likes UIs because hes a scientist | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | i think he's a non-hardware non-software person | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | no he's not | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | a scientist? | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | yes, it seems all superficial | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | he's trying to sell you something anyway (proprietary, crappy UI software) | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | i thought hes got a PHD | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | doesn't seem to do him much good man | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | well i like the idea | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | how about you? | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | you just like it because it has 'compiler' in the name | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | just because it's called compiler doesn't mean it's an actual compiler | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | most of those tools already exist as open source software out there | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | absolutely thats the hardware part | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | every year the 'clotho' guy pops up and starts spamming people about how amazing his UI is | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | hes got a genome autocad or something like that | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | not really | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | i mean, he claims it is, but who cares | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | if it's any good, it means i have to rewrite it anyway since it's proprietary | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | fuck that | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | he's just increasing the amount of work i have to do later | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | bleh | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | well the point was | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | hardware | 19:46 |
| atum | yout a couple protiens in a petrii dish and have them do math | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: he's not a hardware person, i don't trust his opinion about hardware | 19:46 |
| atum | how hard would it be to take a couple really long strings and dip them in the pool of life | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: all sorts of hardware is hackable. he's lying to you. | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, lets step away from the ad hominem | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | ok i get it you dont like *HIM* | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | if he's telling you that hardware interfaces are impossible, he's still ying to you | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | *lying | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | but if hes got thourough mappings of metabolic pathways? | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | no | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | where are you getting this? | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | slow down | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | you said it | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | 19:43 < delinquentme> he replied that we basically lack the hardware integration | 19:47 |
| delinquentme | lacking != impossible | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | are you saying that his /company/ is lacking it | 19:48 |
| delinquentme | im saying that I think the market wants it | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | wants what? | 19:48 |
| delinquentme | OOC are metabolic pathways out there? | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | and what is "the market" | 19:48 |
| delinquentme | like can I get a codified version of ecoli metabolic pathways? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | i'm just trying to get you to be more precise about your thinking | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | "the market" is a vague way of waving your hands aimlessly | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | yes, people in general like computers to be hooked up, it's true | 19:49 |
| delinquentme | yeah so I mean if hes building a software package for 1 off ecoli modifications | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | but what you need to do- like we've been telling you for months now- is get a number of people to sign statements saying they will pay $X,000 for your hardware | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | thats not the end goal | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | the end goal is specify inputs and outputs and the model organism and to have machines crunch, sequence, synthesize, insert incubate test and quantify | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | over and over until we've got candidates we're interested in | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | hence why I told him I think he should be less interested in a UI and more interested in a software pipeline for these processes | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | i don't think he's a software guy, he probably doesn't understand that. | 19:51 |
| atum | fox p2 | 19:51 |
| atum | -that gene alone is responsible for language | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | atum: not really. foxp2 is responsible for many things. | 19:52 |
| atum | oh im repeating the television, watching some show about ... genes and what not | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | like in lung/gut | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | ok television is probably not the most accurate source of biology knowledge :P | 19:53 |
| atum | obv :P | 19:53 |
| delinquentme | ok but back to the metabolic pathways | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | are you describing software you're writing? | 19:53 |
| delinquentme | is there some kind of codified map of the ecoli metabolic pathways | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | this is what ncbi is for. go look up kegg or the other kegg-replacements. | 19:53 |
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| delinquentme | OHHHH kanzure did i tell you about the busted NCBI data? | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | I found a number of papers which had missing information and I emailed them with completed information sets and cites | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | " If we dont get it from the publisher it doesn't go in there " | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | so yeah theres are a number of papers in there with missing DOIs which have them but only outside of NCBI | 19:55 |
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