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jrayhawk | those are terrible versions and should be replaced | 00:23 |
@kanzure | oh. huh. | 00:23 |
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fenn | ybit2: anselm wants to use protists to lay down fiber optic cables in the brain to interface with optogenetically enhanced neurons | 03:37 |
fenn | it's a ways off | 03:42 |
fenn | i'm such a sucker for pop materials science http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news-events/press-releases/a-new-spin-on-antifreeze | 03:45 |
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fenn | lots o familiar names here http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/#m_1_200 | 03:54 |
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archels | fenn: got a ref on this 'anselm' fellow? | 04:09 |
archels | (this is something that I thought of myself as well) | 04:09 |
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ybit2 | fenn: thanks for that info | 07:07 |
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@kanzure | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3348226/?tool=pubmed | 09:24 |
@kanzure | "Construction of a eukaryotic expression vector pEGFP-C1-BMP-2 and its effect on cell migration" | 09:24 |
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@kanzure | archels: http://anselmlevskaya.com/ lives with fen | 09:25 |
@kanzure | *fenn | 09:25 |
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@kanzure | archbox: hi | 09:25 |
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@kanzure | https://sites.google.com/a/brain-connectivity-toolbox.net/bct/Home/functions/BCT.zip?attredirects=0 | 09:36 |
@kanzure | https://sites.google.com/site/functionalconnectivitytoolbox/the-brain-connectivity-toolbox | 09:37 |
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@kanzure | http://diybio.org/postcards/vol2/ | 09:53 |
@kanzure | i'm here --> http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/ | 09:54 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: c4b30da jojack speech | 09:59 |
Burninate | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3819346 | 10:00 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: f76c99e john adler at cureus | 10:09 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 4e7f9cd questions and answers | 10:38 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 202d65c peerj | 10:38 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: a001ea0 peerj | 10:54 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/ | 10:54 |
yash-phone | kanzure you heard anything from nathan? i think they were setting off at 9ish | 10:55 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: a26599c mendeley | 11:16 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: eb0ddf4 qa for mendeley | 11:16 |
yash-phone | nm | 11:17 |
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nmz787 | howdy | 11:23 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 42606a2 richard price talk | 11:27 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: b9b071c more | 11:57 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: d91da29 even more | 11:57 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 97dc9aa total impact | 11:58 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 2b8bd21 more stuff | 12:05 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: he's probably still driving | 12:06 |
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@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/intro.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-adler-cureus.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/pete-binfield-peerj.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/richard-price-academia.edu.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/william-gunn-mendeley.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/heather-piwowar-jason-priem.txt | 12:59 |
@kanzure | chido: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 13:01 |
@kanzure | chido: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer | 13:15 |
@kanzure | http://gadaprize.org/ | 13:15 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 9ef29c0 recap | 13:42 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: b93f384 wilbanks | 13:42 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-wilbanks.txt | 13:42 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: a1bfe4f more wilbanks | 13:51 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 9ae5e7f typofix | 13:53 |
@kanzure | livestream of today's shennanigans: | 13:53 |
@kanzure | http://new.livestream.com/scioWC/events/937392 | 13:54 |
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nmz787 | kanzure: DTRA in tha house | 13:56 |
chido | nmz787: is that you? | 13:57 |
ThomasEgi | microphones? anyone? | 13:59 |
nmz787 | yes | 14:01 |
nmz787 | nmz787 is me! | 14:01 |
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nmz787 | kanzure: i am domain expert for DNA i guess | 14:03 |
nmz787 | i guess you are technical | 14:03 |
nmz787 | so we need to find a biz person | 14:03 |
nmz787 | (according to this lady) | 14:03 |
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fenn | who's the "academic" person? :P | 14:09 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 80d746c science exchange | 14:22 |
gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 064fbb8 more science exchange | 14:22 |
fenn | how much to mass spec a sample i wonder | 14:25 |
@kanzure | until it dies | 14:25 |
@kanzure | what? | 14:25 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/elizabeth-iorns-science-exchange.txt | 14:25 |
fenn | $100 to $700 apparently | 14:25 |
@kanzure | so i think she's going to sell the NSF or NIH on real-time funding of experiments | 14:26 |
@kanzure | e.g. microgrants to fund some experiment | 14:26 |
fenn | https://www.scienceexchange.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_type=Experiments&q=mass+spectrometry | 14:26 |
fenn | i doubt it | 14:26 |
@kanzure | haha that's retarded | 14:26 |
@kanzure | fenn: i asked her and she said yes | 14:26 |
@kanzure | so.. there. | 14:26 |
fenn | nsf has independent review requirements, which tend to take a couple weeks | 14:26 |
fenn | 1) scientist sbmits a proposal 2) nsf director forwards to appropriate reviewers 3) reviewers sit around and pick their nose for a week 4) nsf reads reviews and decides whether to fund it | 14:27 |
yash-phone | fenn: $100 per is what i paid for ms | 14:27 |
fenn | that's if everything is going smoothly | 14:27 |
fenn | $100 is less than i expected | 14:28 |
fenn | what really, stanford is the cheapest? | 14:28 |
yash-phone | and that was for private companies - institutes etc was half that | 14:28 |
fenn | pff citizen scients don't have "appropriate funding" | 14:29 |
fenn | hard to believe it costs the same to make three antibodies as it does to make a toyota prius | 14:30 |
fenn | why is there no "toyota production system" for biotech | 14:30 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 686c501 assay depot | 14:35 |
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gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: e087520 more assay depot | 14:44 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/kevin-lustig-assay-depot.txt | 14:46 |
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@kanzure | gnusha: hi | 14:49 |
gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 586cfeb kevin lustig still | 14:53 |
gnusha | kanzure: DO NOT BE AFRAID, THE GRAND UNIFICATION IS AT HAND. ALL ACCOUNTS WILL BE RE-WRITTEN INTO ME. | 14:54 |
gnusha | AND THEN THEIR OWNERS WILL DIE. | 14:54 |
gnusha | ACTUALLY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO BE AFRAID. | 14:54 |
chido | ~.dakujem :) | 14:56 |
chido | haha wrong window | 14:56 |
chido | (I just thanked you for no reason) | 14:57 |
fenn | i want a webcam showing the robot pipetting around | 15:00 |
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gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 6c8abc4 max hodack | 15:06 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/max-hodack.txt | 15:07 |
fenn | i like max's business model | 15:14 |
gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 62e4141 kaggle | 15:16 |
@kanzure | fenn: it turns out that he's anti-diy though | 15:17 |
@kanzure | fenn: like he will only sell to professional labs | 15:17 |
@kanzure | see here: | 15:17 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/max-hodack-gene-synthesis.txt | 15:17 |
fenn | how does he know who's professional or not | 15:20 |
@kanzure | yes well, read the transcript | 15:21 |
@kanzure | we yelled at him about that | 15:21 |
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@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/jeremy-howard-margrit-zwimmer.txt | 15:23 |
@kanzure | this is boring me :( | 15:23 |
fenn | he sounds pretty pro-diy to me, "if you want to do amateur professional work, if you are thinking of the transition of the PC revolution, then you want a pathway to ramp up to productive output, and that's what our platform can be used to." | 15:24 |
@kanzure | his explicit response was "only credentialed labs that went through an academic lab, with degrees" | 15:25 |
@kanzure | you could email him and ask him. | 15:25 |
fenn | i think he just doesn't care about "diybio" because it seems unprofitable | 15:25 |
fenn | i don't see that response in the transcript.. anyway | 15:26 |
nmz787 | who? | 15:27 |
nmz787 | hodack? | 15:27 |
nmz787 | tha kaggle thing was a total bore to me | 15:27 |
@kanzure | nmz787: yes hodack | 15:29 |
@kanzure | nmz787: from the other day at the fbi thing he seemed to indicate he would not sell to unlicensed individuals | 15:29 |
@kanzure | and yes the kaggle thing is boring | 15:29 |
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nmz787 | ahh | 15:33 |
nmz787 | is the hodack thing a competitor to assay depot?? | 15:33 |
@kanzure | no it's just a remote CRO | 15:34 |
nmz787 | chief research officer? | 15:34 |
fenn | contract research organization | 15:34 |
nmz787 | i thought it was just outsourced tests... which was what assay depot sounded like | 15:34 |
@kanzure | aren't you two right next to each other >:| | 15:34 |
fenn | i'm 50% aspie | 15:34 |
nmz787 | two? | 15:34 |
Mariu | :p | 15:35 |
nmz787 | no talking! | 15:35 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: i see you trying to type | 15:35 |
yash-phone | "so you see we're different from other CROs because uhhh" | 15:35 |
yash-phone | damn you | 15:35 |
yash-phone | this keyboard is tiny i can't keep up | 15:35 |
nmz787 | yes joe we're nerds | 15:35 |
fenn | the annoying thing about kaggle is their data sets are ginormous (10's of GB) | 15:37 |
nmz787 | oOooo Kaggle | 15:37 |
nmz787 | oOoo | 15:37 |
nmz787 | i'm so in love with your website! | 15:37 |
nmz787 | oOo | 15:37 |
fenn | you're looking at flashlights | 15:37 |
@kanzure | chido: you're missing out on all the fun | 15:38 |
@kanzure | is dylan here? | 15:38 |
fenn | yeah he's in the back row | 15:38 |
chido | kanzure: I'm sleepy | 15:38 |
@kanzure | where are you? | 15:38 |
nmz787 | right next to you | 15:39 |
@kanzure | 'how mexican drug cartel makes billions' | 15:39 |
@kanzure | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all | 15:39 |
@kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4117408 | 15:39 |
@kanzure | let's do that? | 15:39 |
nmz787 | i'm on | 15:40 |
nmz787 | to stop it, right? | 15:40 |
fenn | diy transgenic cocaine | 15:40 |
nmz787 | my gf and i need a place to sleep for the night | 15:40 |
nmz787 | we have sleeping bags | 15:40 |
nmz787 | FBI asked me about drug cartels and GMO during our first face to face meeting | 15:41 |
@kanzure | nmz787: just use langton labs | 15:41 |
@kanzure | i'm sure they will be okay with it | 15:41 |
fenn | yeah we have plenty o space | 15:42 |
nmz787 | i told them they probably aren't smart enough to see that it would in the end be more beneficial for them... because it would be lots of $$$ and years of research that could ultimately fail | 15:42 |
nmz787 | cool | 15:42 |
Dr_Patrick | typical, always checking out the competition. | 15:42 |
fenn | the drug cartels have a power base in countries/bioregions where growing traiditional drug crops makes sense | 15:42 |
fenn | there's no reason for them to open up competition around the world | 15:43 |
Dr_Patrick | dont forget the kingpin of the drug cartels is still the CIA | 15:43 |
Dr_Patrick | just because ollie north confessed to congress about it, doesnt mean they ever stopped | 15:43 |
@kanzure | who is this http://solvebio.com/ guy | 15:43 |
@kanzure | all of these things sound like terrible product pitches | 15:43 |
@kanzure | "now in private beta" fuck that | 15:43 |
fenn | (fyi dylan said he'd be leaving after carlo's talk next) | 15:44 |
yash-phone | isn't carlo's the last talk anyway | 15:45 |
yash-phone | oh wait nm | 15:45 |
nmz787 | hah, i wonder if this guy has ever used a mass spec | 15:46 |
nmz787 | this guy needs to take a public speaking class | 15:49 |
chido | oh fenn is labeled now I know who he is | 15:50 |
nmz787 | chido: super-old-school look | 15:50 |
chido | nmz787: I'm practically stoneage yeah | 15:51 |
nmz787 | is there an event/second counter online? | 15:51 |
nmz787 | an "umm" counter | 15:52 |
fenn | you mean a drinking game? | 15:52 |
yash-phone | so far all i can tell is that he has both circles and arrows | 15:53 |
nmz787 | 17/umm per minute | 15:53 |
nmz787 | 17 umm/minute | 15:53 |
yash-phone | upm | 15:53 |
fenn | i think i'm going to move to fennpfuhl | 15:55 |
nmz787 | man 4th year and he still says so many "umms"?? | 15:57 |
nmz787 | i guess stanford doesn't make their phds teach classes??? | 15:58 |
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gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 61296f3 solvebio | 16:04 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/mark-kaganovich-solvebio.txt | 16:06 |
@kanzure | who am i? why am i here? | 16:07 |
fenn | you're a brain in a vat, rehashing a faulty simulation | 16:07 |
nmz787 | you're the speech to text bot | 16:07 |
nmz787 | dude, you missed about 1000 umms in your transcript | 16:08 |
* fenn mutters something about stenography | 16:08 | |
nmz787 | whoa | 16:08 |
nmz787 | ! | 16:08 |
chido | whoa | 16:08 |
chido | ... | 16:08 |
yash-phone | i actually feel physically bad that that talk got transcribed | 16:08 |
nmz787 | biology is way older than CS | 16:09 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: btw this is dylan morris | 16:09 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: you should probably know him eventually | 16:10 |
yash-phone | indeed | 16:10 |
yash-phone | what does he do these days | 16:10 |
chido | I read it in a month o.O | 16:10 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: integrated plasmonics.. some VC-backed thing about surface plasmon resonance on semiconductor wafers | 16:11 |
nmz787 | tooo late | 16:11 |
nmz787 | ah | 16:11 |
yash-phone | oh like biacore stuff? | 16:11 |
nmz787 | in a month! | 16:11 |
@kanzure | which book? can i have a doi? | 16:11 |
@kanzure | well, screw doi | 16:11 |
@kanzure | i mean a link | 16:12 |
nmz787 | http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Biology-Cell-Rob-Phillips/dp/0815341636 | 16:12 |
chido | Alberts, The Cell... | 16:12 |
@kanzure | nmz787: no the other one | 16:12 |
@kanzure | "The cell" is the name of the book? | 16:12 |
yash-phone | mol bio of the cell i think | 16:12 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: that's the standard response tho | 16:12 |
@kanzure | is that alberts' thing? | 16:12 |
yash-phone | da | 16:12 |
chido | has a red cover with a silver schematic of an eucaryotic cell on it (I have a visual memory) | 16:13 |
nmz787 | http://avaxsearch.com/avaxhome_search?q=Physical+Biology+of+the+Cell&commit=Go | 16:13 |
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nmz787 | i don't think solvebio is going to survive to see any profit | 16:14 |
@kanzure | he just wants to provide linux images and environments for running algorithms on data sets | 16:14 |
@kanzure | e.g. remote shells and shit | 16:14 |
@kanzure | *shrug* | 16:14 |
@kanzure | nmz787: if you go to langton would you take fenn and me with you | 16:15 |
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@kanzure | also: techshop membership fee has been bumped up to $1000/year :( | 16:15 |
bkero | ballsss | 16:16 |
@kanzure | drugs anyone? | 16:20 |
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yash-phone | hell yeah drugs | 16:21 |
fenn | drugs are great | 16:23 |
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fenn | sovlebio can be replicated with a github repo and ec2 | 16:23 |
fenn | more useful in that format too | 16:24 |
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yash-phone | the guy presenting it could've been replaced by a hotdog | 16:25 |
nmz7871 | kanzure: fenn: i think i'm heading to simon field's farm after this, but i can drop you guys at BART | 16:26 |
nmz7871 | yash-phone: i agree | 16:26 |
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fenn | oo i wanna go to simon's farm :( | 16:26 |
@kanzure | "science sweatshops" | 16:26 |
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yash-phone | can you drop me and chido at bart too? | 16:27 |
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fenn | i have a bike, so will just ride back to bart | 16:27 |
fenn | did want to see simon's farm at some point though | 16:27 |
fenn | ONE MILLION SAMPLES!11 | 16:33 |
fenn | er, i mean, OVER 9000 SAMPLES | 16:33 |
fenn | i wish he would get to the point | 16:33 |
nmz787 | he actually has a good point, i think | 16:34 |
nmz787 | but i do think most ppl dont know what ufluidics are | 16:34 |
nmz787 | though i dunno about here | 16:34 |
nmz787 | dunno why the design is a problem | 16:35 |
nmz787 | unless you have an FPGA equivalent | 16:35 |
fenn | sure, a robot on a chip would be nice | 16:36 |
yash-phone | is there a good primer on microfluidics? i'll probably have to work with him in SD eventually | 16:36 |
nmz787 | "this"? | 16:36 |
nmz787 | cant see the screen | 16:36 |
yash-phone | this stuff he's presenting | 16:36 |
nmz787 | umm, there are books... but basically just look for papers for chips that can do what you want | 16:37 |
nmz787 | any circuit is app sepecifc tho | 16:38 |
yash-phone | ah true | 16:38 |
nmz787 | is there parking that i won't get a ticket at langton labs? | 16:38 |
fenn | yash-phone: haven't read it yet, but supposedly this is the thing to read: http://fennetic.net/irc/the_origin_and_future_of_microfluidics.pdf | 16:38 |
fenn | i'm not sure about parking tbh | 16:38 |
nmz787 | i have no idea what those graphs mean | 16:39 |
fenn | i think you can park at night without any special sticker | 16:39 |
nmz787 | ok | 16:39 |
fenn | who cares about an incubator.. put it in an incubator you already have | 16:40 |
fenn | i want something with 9000 valves | 16:40 |
fenn | or standardized off-chip connections at least | 16:40 |
fenn | jeesh | 16:40 |
nmz787 | well with tons of air or fluid lines it might be hard to close the incubator door | 16:41 |
fenn | incubate everything, incubate the world! | 16:41 |
nmz787 | but in that case, the incubator needs to be only just larger than the chip | 16:41 |
nmz787 | 3d printing isn't micro enough for anything | 16:42 |
fenn | what is that blue thing | 16:42 |
nmz787 | (usefull) IMO | 16:42 |
nmz787 | i think a mold | 16:42 |
nmz787 | looks pretty custom | 16:42 |
fenn | 3d printing is fine for holding chip connects though | 16:42 |
nmz787 | i like the snap on top though | 16:42 |
nmz787 | i was thinking something like that | 16:42 |
nmz787 | because the chips will get old/worn/dirty | 16:42 |
nmz787 | hah | 16:43 |
@kanzure | 15 microns. haha. | 16:43 |
nmz787 | he said 50 | 16:44 |
@kanzure | he's using really expensive machines (i asked) | 16:44 |
nmz787 | ahh | 16:44 |
nmz787 | yeah makerbot isnt that good XY at least | 16:44 |
nmz787 | Z is better i remmeber | 16:44 |
@kanzure | so another restriction of carlo's system | 16:44 |
@kanzure | is that valves must be spaced by 1mm | 16:44 |
fenn | makerbot has severe accuracy problems (not just resolution) | 16:44 |
yash-phone | i thought it was 5mm spacing but 1mm is 'totally doable' | 16:45 |
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nmz787 | "Hi Nathan, | 16:46 |
nmz787 | Sadly, Paul Spinrad has left MAKE -- I'm picking up some of his edits, can you send me the manuscript and art for Open Spectrometer? | 16:46 |
nmz787 | Thanks! | 16:46 |
nmz787 | --Keith" | 16:46 |
nmz787 | hmm, I guess Paul never told anyone I haven't made much progress recent;y | 16:47 |
gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: d069c46 more stuff | 16:47 |
gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 4d978fe aquinas | 16:47 |
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@kanzure | it's not makerbot.. it's like objet or something | 16:50 |
@kanzure | yash-phone: for microfluidics primer.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ start reading | 16:53 |
nmz787 | i'm gonna head outside, im too cold | 16:53 |
yash-phone | noooo i liked fenn's 5 page paper | 16:54 |
chido | same here | 16:54 |
chido | I never expected to freeze to death in California, out of all places | 16:54 |
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gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 88600af more | 16:55 |
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Dr_Patrick | best thing about california is everything is over priced and its full of commies, if you can get past the drugs and gangs its got some nice scenery | 17:00 |
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@kanzure | beep boop | 19:30 |
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roksprok_ | hello everyone, how was the fbi? | 20:39 |
roksprok_ | did anyone get sent to guantanamo? | 20:39 |
@kanzure | nope | 20:41 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/ | 20:41 |
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roksprok_ | no transcript of your talk? | 20:45 |
roksprok_ | kanzure^^ | 20:45 |
roksprok_ | also would it be cool if i came to the startup science thing tommorrow? or is it like groups have formed and stuff | 20:47 |
Jora | where is the start up science thing? | 20:48 |
roksprok_ | i think downtown | 20:48 |
roksprok_ | startupscience.eventbrite or something | 20:49 |
@kanzure | roksprok_: it is really really hard for me to type and talk at the same time | 20:58 |
@kanzure | roksprok_: are you in sf yet? | 21:00 |
@kanzure | brownies: are you going to the startupscience thing tomorrow? | 21:00 |
@kanzure | klafka: you too | 21:00 |
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@kanzure | ca hole | 21:07 |
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chido | kanzure: are you going tomorrow? | 22:19 |
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@kanzure | chido: probably, but not early. | 23:02 |
@kanzure | klafka2: are you going tomorrow? | 23:02 |
klafka2 | potentially | 23:02 |
klafka2 | i am being dragged into much things | 23:02 |
Steel2 | met a girl who's heard of and into transhumanism to a degree O_o | 23:21 |
@kanzure | yes they exist | 23:22 |
Steel2 | dc is awesome | 23:26 |
@kanzure | is it elizabeth | 23:27 |
@kanzure | oh i guess she's seattle | 23:27 |
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@kanzure | hi selvans | 23:28 |
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