2012-06-15.log

--- Log opened Fri Jun 15 00:00:41 2012
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jrayhawkI don't remember if it's a build option or just an ancient version thing, but some versions of SSH want .ssh to be 070000:22
jrayhawkthose are terrible versions and should be replaced00:23
@kanzureoh. huh.00:23
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fennybit2: anselm wants to use protists to lay down fiber optic cables in the brain to interface with optogenetically enhanced neurons03:37
fennit's a ways off03:42
fenni'm such a sucker for pop materials science http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news-events/press-releases/a-new-spin-on-antifreeze03:45
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fennlots o familiar names here http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/#m_1_20003:54
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archelsfenn: got a ref on this 'anselm' fellow?04:09
archels(this is something that I thought of myself as well)04:09
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ybit2fenn: thanks for that info07:07
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@kanzurehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3348226/?tool=pubmed09:24
@kanzure"Construction of a eukaryotic expression vector pEGFP-C1-BMP-2 and its effect on cell migration"09:24
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@kanzurearchels: http://anselmlevskaya.com/ lives with fen09:25
@kanzure*fenn09:25
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@kanzurearchbox: hi09:25
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@kanzurehttps://sites.google.com/a/brain-connectivity-toolbox.net/bct/Home/functions/BCT.zip?attredirects=009:36
@kanzurehttps://sites.google.com/site/functionalconnectivitytoolbox/the-brain-connectivity-toolbox09:37
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@kanzurehttp://diybio.org/postcards/vol2/09:53
@kanzurei'm here --> http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/09:54
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: c4b30da jojack speech09:59
Burninatehttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=381934610:00
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: f76c99e john adler at cureus10:09
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 4e7f9cd questions and answers10:38
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 202d65c peerj10:38
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: a001ea0 peerj10:54
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/10:54
yash-phonekanzure you heard anything from nathan? i think they were setting off at 9ish10:55
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: a26599c mendeley11:16
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: eb0ddf4 qa for mendeley11:16
yash-phonenm11:17
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nmz787howdy11:23
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 42606a2 richard price talk11:27
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: b9b071c more11:57
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: d91da29 even more11:57
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 97dc9aa total impact11:58
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 2b8bd21 more stuff12:05
@kanzureyash-phone: he's probably still driving12:06
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@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/intro.txt12:59
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-adler-cureus.txt12:59
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/pete-binfield-peerj.txt12:59
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/richard-price-academia.edu.txt12:59
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/william-gunn-mendeley.txt12:59
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/heather-piwowar-jason-priem.txt12:59
@kanzurechido: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio13:01
@kanzurechido: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer13:15
@kanzurehttp://gadaprize.org/13:15
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 9ef29c0 recap13:42
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: b93f384 wilbanks13:42
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-wilbanks.txt13:42
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: a1bfe4f more wilbanks13:51
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 9ae5e7f typofix13:53
@kanzurelivestream of today's shennanigans:13:53
@kanzurehttp://new.livestream.com/scioWC/events/93739213:54
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nmz787kanzure: DTRA in tha house13:56
chidonmz787: is that you?13:57
ThomasEgimicrophones? anyone?13:59
nmz787yes14:01
nmz787nmz787 is me!14:01
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nmz787kanzure: i am domain expert for DNA i guess14:03
nmz787i guess you are technical14:03
nmz787so we need to find a biz person14:03
nmz787(according to this lady)14:03
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fennwho's the "academic" person? :P14:09
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 80d746c science exchange14:22
gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 064fbb8 more science exchange14:22
fennhow much to mass spec a sample i wonder14:25
@kanzureuntil it dies14:25
@kanzurewhat?14:25
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/elizabeth-iorns-science-exchange.txt14:25
fenn$100 to $700 apparently14:25
@kanzureso i think she's going to sell the NSF or NIH on real-time funding of experiments14:26
@kanzuree.g. microgrants to fund some experiment14:26
fennhttps://www.scienceexchange.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_type=Experiments&q=mass+spectrometry14:26
fenni doubt it14:26
@kanzurehaha that's retarded14:26
@kanzurefenn: i asked her and she said yes14:26
@kanzureso.. there.14:26
fennnsf has independent review requirements, which tend to take a couple weeks14:26
fenn1) scientist sbmits a proposal 2) nsf director forwards to appropriate reviewers 3) reviewers sit around and pick their nose for a week 4) nsf reads reviews and decides whether to fund it14:27
yash-phonefenn: $100 per is what i paid for ms14:27
fennthat's if everything is going smoothly14:27
fenn$100 is less than i expected14:28
fennwhat really, stanford is the cheapest?14:28
yash-phoneand that was for private companies - institutes etc was half that14:28
fennpff citizen scients don't have "appropriate funding"14:29
fennhard to believe it costs the same to make three antibodies as it does to make a toyota prius14:30
fennwhy is there no "toyota production system" for biotech14:30
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: 686c501 assay depot14:35
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gnusha_diyhpluswiki.git: e087520 more assay depot14:44
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/kevin-lustig-assay-depot.txt14:46
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@kanzuregnusha: hi14:49
gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 586cfeb kevin lustig still14:53
gnushakanzure: DO NOT BE AFRAID, THE GRAND UNIFICATION IS AT HAND. ALL ACCOUNTS WILL BE RE-WRITTEN INTO ME.14:54
gnushaAND THEN THEIR OWNERS WILL DIE.14:54
gnushaACTUALLY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO BE AFRAID.14:54
chido~.dakujem :)14:56
chidohaha wrong window14:56
chido(I just thanked you for no reason)14:57
fenni want a webcam showing the robot pipetting around15:00
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gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 6c8abc4 max hodack15:06
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/max-hodack.txt15:07
fenni like max's business model15:14
gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 62e4141 kaggle15:16
@kanzurefenn: it turns out that he's anti-diy though15:17
@kanzurefenn: like he will only sell to professional labs15:17
@kanzuresee here:15:17
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/max-hodack-gene-synthesis.txt15:17
fennhow does he know who's professional or not15:20
@kanzureyes well, read the transcript15:21
@kanzurewe yelled at him about that15:21
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@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/jeremy-howard-margrit-zwimmer.txt15:23
@kanzurethis is boring me :(15:23
fennhe sounds pretty pro-diy to me, "if you want to do amateur professional work, if you are thinking of the transition of the PC revolution, then you want a pathway to ramp up to productive output, and that's what our platform can be used to."15:24
@kanzurehis explicit response was "only credentialed labs that went through an academic lab, with degrees"15:25
@kanzureyou could email him and ask him.15:25
fenni think he just doesn't care about "diybio" because it seems unprofitable15:25
fenni don't see that response in the transcript.. anyway15:26
nmz787who?15:27
nmz787hodack?15:27
nmz787tha kaggle thing was a total bore to me15:27
@kanzurenmz787: yes hodack15:29
@kanzurenmz787: from the other day at the fbi thing he seemed to indicate he would not sell to unlicensed individuals15:29
@kanzureand yes the kaggle thing is boring15:29
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nmz787ahh15:33
nmz787is the hodack thing a competitor to assay depot??15:33
@kanzureno it's just a remote CRO15:34
nmz787chief research officer?15:34
fenncontract research organization15:34
nmz787i thought it was just outsourced tests... which was what assay depot sounded like15:34
@kanzurearen't you two right next to each other >:|15:34
fenni'm 50% aspie15:34
nmz787two?15:34
Mariu:p15:35
nmz787no talking!15:35
@kanzureyash-phone: i see you trying to type15:35
yash-phone"so you see we're different from other CROs because uhhh"15:35
yash-phonedamn you15:35
yash-phonethis keyboard is tiny i can't keep up15:35
nmz787yes joe we're nerds15:35
fennthe annoying thing about kaggle is their data sets are ginormous (10's of GB)15:37
nmz787oOooo Kaggle15:37
nmz787oOoo15:37
nmz787i'm so in love with your website!15:37
nmz787oOo15:37
fennyou're looking at flashlights15:37
@kanzurechido: you're missing out on all the fun15:38
@kanzureis dylan here?15:38
fennyeah he's in the back row15:38
chidokanzure: I'm sleepy15:38
@kanzurewhere are you?15:38
nmz787right next to you15:39
@kanzure'how mexican drug cartel makes billions'15:39
@kanzurehttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all15:39
@kanzurehttp://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=411740815:39
@kanzurelet's do that?15:39
nmz787i'm on15:40
nmz787to stop it, right?15:40
fenndiy transgenic cocaine15:40
nmz787my gf and i need a place to sleep for the night15:40
nmz787we have sleeping bags15:40
nmz787FBI asked me about drug cartels and GMO during our first face to face meeting15:41
@kanzurenmz787: just use langton labs15:41
@kanzurei'm sure they will be okay with it15:41
fennyeah we have plenty o space15:42
nmz787i told them they probably aren't smart enough to see that it would in the end be more beneficial for them... because it would be lots of $$$ and years of research that could ultimately fail15:42
nmz787cool15:42
Dr_Patricktypical, always checking out the competition.15:42
fennthe drug cartels have a power base in countries/bioregions where growing traiditional drug crops makes sense15:42
fennthere's no reason for them to open up competition around the world15:43
Dr_Patrickdont forget the kingpin of the drug cartels is still the CIA15:43
Dr_Patrickjust because ollie north confessed to congress about it, doesnt mean they ever stopped15:43
@kanzurewho is this http://solvebio.com/ guy15:43
@kanzureall of these things sound like terrible product pitches15:43
@kanzure"now in private beta" fuck that15:43
fenn(fyi dylan said he'd be leaving after carlo's talk next)15:44
yash-phoneisn't carlo's the last talk anyway15:45
yash-phoneoh wait nm15:45
nmz787hah, i wonder if this guy has ever used a mass spec15:46
nmz787this guy needs to take a public speaking class15:49
chidooh fenn is labeled now I know who he is15:50
nmz787chido: super-old-school look15:50
chidonmz787: I'm practically stoneage yeah15:51
nmz787is there an event/second counter online?15:51
nmz787an "umm" counter15:52
fennyou mean a drinking game?15:52
yash-phoneso far all i can tell is that he has both circles and arrows15:53
nmz78717/umm per minute15:53
nmz78717 umm/minute15:53
yash-phoneupm15:53
fenni think i'm going to move to fennpfuhl15:55
nmz787man 4th year and he still says so many "umms"??15:57
nmz787i guess stanford doesn't make their phds teach classes???15:58
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gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 61296f3 solvebio16:04
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/mark-kaganovich-solvebio.txt16:06
@kanzurewho am i? why am i here?16:07
fennyou're a brain in a vat, rehashing a faulty simulation16:07
nmz787you're the speech to text bot16:07
nmz787dude, you missed about 1000 umms in your transcript16:08
* fenn mutters something about stenography16:08
nmz787whoa16:08
nmz787!16:08
chidowhoa16:08
chido...16:08
yash-phonei actually feel physically bad that that talk got transcribed16:08
nmz787biology is way older than CS16:09
@kanzureyash-phone: btw this is dylan morris16:09
@kanzureyash-phone: you should probably know him eventually16:10
yash-phoneindeed16:10
yash-phonewhat does he do these days16:10
chidoI read it in a month o.O16:10
@kanzureyash-phone: integrated plasmonics.. some VC-backed thing about surface plasmon resonance on semiconductor wafers16:11
nmz787tooo late16:11
nmz787ah16:11
yash-phoneoh like biacore stuff?16:11
nmz787in a month!16:11
@kanzurewhich book? can i have a doi?16:11
@kanzurewell, screw doi16:11
@kanzurei mean a link16:12
nmz787http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Biology-Cell-Rob-Phillips/dp/081534163616:12
chidoAlberts, The Cell...16:12
@kanzurenmz787: no the other one16:12
@kanzure"The cell" is the name of the book?16:12
yash-phonemol bio of the cell i think16:12
@kanzureyash-phone: that's the standard response tho16:12
@kanzureis that alberts' thing?16:12
yash-phoneda16:12
chidohas a red cover with a silver schematic of an eucaryotic cell on it (I have a visual memory)16:13
nmz787http://avaxsearch.com/avaxhome_search?q=Physical+Biology+of+the+Cell&commit=Go16:13
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nmz787i don't think solvebio is going to survive to see any profit16:14
@kanzurehe just wants to provide linux images and environments for running algorithms on data sets16:14
@kanzuree.g. remote shells and shit16:14
@kanzure*shrug*16:14
@kanzurenmz787: if you go to langton would you take fenn and me with you16:15
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@kanzurealso: techshop membership fee has been bumped up to $1000/year :(16:15
bkeroballsss16:16
@kanzuredrugs anyone?16:20
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yash-phonehell yeah drugs16:21
fenndrugs are great16:23
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fennsovlebio can be replicated with a github repo and ec216:23
fennmore useful in that format too16:24
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yash-phonethe guy presenting it could've been replaced by a hotdog16:25
nmz7871kanzure: fenn: i think i'm heading to simon field's farm after this, but i can drop you guys at BART16:26
nmz7871yash-phone: i agree16:26
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fennoo i wanna go to simon's farm :(16:26
@kanzure"science sweatshops"16:26
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yash-phonecan you drop me and chido at bart too?16:27
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fenni have a bike, so will just ride back to bart16:27
fenndid want to see simon's farm at some point though16:27
fennONE MILLION SAMPLES!1116:33
fenner, i mean, OVER 9000 SAMPLES16:33
fenni wish he would get to the point16:33
nmz787he actually has a good point, i think16:34
nmz787but i do think most ppl dont know what ufluidics are16:34
nmz787though i dunno about here16:34
nmz787dunno why the design is a problem16:35
nmz787unless you have an FPGA equivalent16:35
fennsure, a robot on a chip would be nice16:36
yash-phoneis there a good primer on microfluidics? i'll probably have to work with him in SD eventually16:36
nmz787"this"?16:36
nmz787cant see the screen16:36
yash-phonethis stuff he's presenting16:36
nmz787umm, there are books... but basically just look for papers for chips that can do what you want16:37
nmz787any circuit is app sepecifc tho16:38
yash-phoneah true16:38
nmz787is there parking that i won't get a ticket at langton labs?16:38
fennyash-phone: haven't read it yet, but supposedly this is the thing to read: http://fennetic.net/irc/the_origin_and_future_of_microfluidics.pdf16:38
fenni'm not sure about parking tbh16:38
nmz787i have no idea what those graphs mean16:39
fenni think you can park at night without any special sticker16:39
nmz787ok16:39
fennwho cares about an incubator.. put it in an incubator you already have16:40
fenni want something with 9000 valves16:40
fennor standardized off-chip connections at least16:40
fennjeesh16:40
nmz787well with tons of air or fluid lines it might be hard to close the incubator door16:41
fennincubate everything, incubate the world!16:41
nmz787but in that case, the incubator needs to be only just larger than the chip16:41
nmz7873d printing isn't micro enough for anything16:42
fennwhat is that blue thing16:42
nmz787(usefull) IMO16:42
nmz787i think a mold16:42
nmz787looks pretty custom16:42
fenn3d printing is fine for holding chip connects though16:42
nmz787i like the snap on top though16:42
nmz787i was thinking something like that16:42
nmz787because the chips will get old/worn/dirty16:42
nmz787hah16:43
@kanzure15 microns. haha.16:43
nmz787he said 5016:44
@kanzurehe's using really expensive machines (i asked)16:44
nmz787ahh16:44
nmz787yeah makerbot isnt that good XY at least16:44
nmz787Z is better i remmeber16:44
@kanzureso another restriction of carlo's system16:44
@kanzureis that valves must be spaced by 1mm16:44
fennmakerbot has severe accuracy problems (not just resolution)16:44
yash-phonei thought it was 5mm spacing but 1mm is 'totally doable'16:45
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nmz787"Hi Nathan,16:46
nmz787Sadly, Paul Spinrad has left MAKE -- I'm picking up some of his edits, can you send me the manuscript and art for Open Spectrometer?16:46
nmz787Thanks!16:46
nmz787--Keith"16:46
nmz787hmm, I guess Paul never told anyone I haven't made much progress recent;y16:47
gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: d069c46 more stuff16:47
gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 4d978fe aquinas16:47
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@kanzureit's not makerbot.. it's like objet or something16:50
@kanzureyash-phone: for microfluidics primer.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ start reading16:53
nmz787i'm gonna head outside, im too cold16:53
yash-phonenoooo i liked fenn's 5 page paper16:54
chidosame here16:54
chidoI never expected to freeze to death in California, out of all places16:54
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gnushadiyhpluswiki.git: 88600af more16:55
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Dr_Patrickbest thing about california is everything is over priced and its full of commies, if you can get past the drugs and gangs its got some nice scenery17:00
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@kanzurebeep boop19:30
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roksprok_hello everyone, how was the fbi?20:39
roksprok_did anyone get sent to guantanamo?20:39
@kanzurenope20:41
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/20:41
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roksprok_no transcript of your talk?20:45
roksprok_kanzure^^20:45
roksprok_also would it be cool if i came to the startup science thing tommorrow?  or is it like groups have formed and stuff20:47
Jorawhere is the start up science thing?20:48
roksprok_i think downtown20:48
roksprok_startupscience.eventbrite or something20:49
@kanzureroksprok_: it is really really hard for me to type and talk at the same time20:58
@kanzureroksprok_: are you in sf yet?21:00
@kanzurebrownies: are you going to the startupscience thing tomorrow?21:00
@kanzureklafka: you too21:00
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@kanzureca hole21:07
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chidokanzure: are you going tomorrow?22:19
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@kanzurechido: probably, but not early.23:02
@kanzureklafka2: are you going tomorrow?23:02
klafka2potentially23:02
klafka2i am being dragged into much things23:02
Steel2met a girl who's heard of and into transhumanism to a degree O_o23:21
@kanzureyes they exist23:22
Steel2dc is awesome23:26
@kanzureis it elizabeth23:27
@kanzureoh i guess she's seattle23:27
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@kanzurehi selvans23:28
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