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| ParahSailin__ | what is this... this code, someone is storing a 64bit pointer as an unsigned char "prefix" and an unsigned int suffix; pointer = prefix <<32 + suffix | 00:05 |
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| ParahSailin__ | is this... normal? | 00:05 |
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| kanzure | why are they calculating the pointer? | 00:06 |
| ParahSailin__ | and the normal version of storing the actual pointer... is commented out?! | 00:06 |
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| ParahSailin__ | i dont even | 00:06 |
| kanzure | so you're saying that they are hardcoding the location in memory? | 00:07 |
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| ParahSailin__ | there is a struct containing a pointer to some other struct | 00:08 |
| ParahSailin__ | but instead of simply storing that pointer as a pointer, they store it as a char and an int32 | 00:09 |
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| kanzure | beep | 07:25 |
| thesnark | boop | 07:28 |
| kanzure | http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/crickets-invade-austin | 07:29 |
| kanzure | woke up in a pile of crickets | 07:29 |
| * thesnark chirps | 07:32 | |
| chido | my spiders like to eat them | 07:34 |
| chido | maybe you should keep spiders | 07:35 |
| kanzure | advantage: the bug population seems to presently be zero | 07:36 |
| chido | also, crickets sell for two dollars a box at local pet stores | 07:37 |
| chido | you could get rich! | 07:38 |
| chido | smuggling crickets from texas to europe | 07:38 |
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| kanzure | well, i have nothing better to do today | 07:39 |
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| eudoxia | ParahSailin__: it looks like they're storing a tag along with the pointer. you usually see that in implementations of dynamically-typed languages, where an object's type is stored in the tag and appended to the actual location of the data in memory | 08:23 |
| eudoxia | or to keep type safety with void pointers, etc. | 08:24 |
| ParahSailin__ | they are doing it this way to save memory | 08:24 |
| ParahSailin__ | when there are a billion nodes, reducing size by cutting off useless 24 bytes on a pointer counts | 08:24 |
| eudoxia | the pointer is an edge in a graph? | 08:27 |
| ParahSailin__ | its a tree structure | 08:28 |
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| kanzure | as jason alexander put it... "we will not build weapons of /mass/ destruction" | 09:18 |
| ThomasEgi | would be quite the opposite of all the constructive work people do anyway | 09:22 |
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| kanzure | why the hell is there still no electonics schematics database | 10:54 |
| kanzure | *electronics | 10:55 |
| chris_99 | epanorama | 10:56 |
| kanzure | looks like spam http://www.epanorama.net/ | 10:57 |
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| kanzure | this ain't schematics? http://www.epanorama.net/links/pyrotech.html | 10:57 |
| kanzure | blah | 10:57 |
| kanzure | three measuring circuits? that's all? http://www.epanorama.net/index2.php?section=circuits&index=measuring | 10:58 |
| kanzure | upverter (for all of its problems) has more :/ | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | huh | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | what are you looking for | 10:58 |
| kanzure | a schematics database. | 10:59 |
| kanzure | you know, one with things. and stuff. | 10:59 |
| kanzure | thingiverse has more crap than epanorama. | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | specifically | 10:59 |
| kanzure | don't care. | 10:59 |
| kanzure | http://upverter.com/explore/ | 11:00 |
| chris_99 | class D amp :) | 11:01 |
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| kanzure | upverter's schematic editor is terrible. why can't i find a 0.22 uF capacitor. | 11:32 |
| chido | pasky: what kind of schematic editor do you use? it looked pretty good | 11:34 |
| thesnark | kanzure spice? | 11:35 |
| kanzure | no not spice... upverter.com. they act like they're github for electronics. | 11:36 |
| kanzure | their ui seems to have gotten worse since i looked last year | 11:36 |
| pasky | i use eagle | 11:36 |
| thesnark | always a good sign | 11:36 |
| thesnark | eagle is nice | 11:36 |
| kanzure | thesnark: yes except now it's unusable. | 11:36 |
| kanzure | when i'm searching for a 0.22 uF capacitor, i would expect to find one :/ | 11:37 |
| pasky | and i'd be using gEDA if I started now, but eagle has big advantage of having large databases of components all around web and when i last checked, there was no conversion software | 11:37 |
| kanzure | and why would you only load 10 parts per page? | 11:37 |
| kanzure | fuck 10 parts per page | 11:37 |
| thesnark | uhhh | 11:37 |
| thesnark | wow | 11:37 |
| thesnark | 10 parts per page is ridiculous | 11:37 |
| kanzure | "take a photo of yourself every time you commit" http://coderwall.com/p/xlatfq?i=9&p=1&q= | 11:37 |
| kanzure | unfortunately this will just be pictures of me being raging mad/angry | 11:37 |
| thesnark | lol | 11:38 |
| thesnark | my workplace doesn't use git or hg for version control | 11:40 |
| thesnark | should I: | 11:40 |
| thesnark | a) quit | 11:40 |
| thesnark | b) kill myself | 11:40 |
| thesnark | c) repress notions of self respect | 11:40 |
| audy | d) convince them to use version control | 11:40 |
| audy | e) use version control yourself. laugh at them when they lose all their code | 11:41 |
| thesnark | haha | 11:41 |
| thesnark | I do like e | 11:41 |
| audy | true story. I use git, coworker doesn't, goes to Paris and gets laptop and year's worth of bad perl stolen. | 11:41 |
| thesnark | oh shit | 11:41 |
| kanzure | well, who wants perl anyway, much less unversioned perl' | 11:42 |
| audy | Parisians apparently | 11:42 |
| thesnark | perl seems to be a language people feel very strongly about | 11:42 |
| thesnark | everyone seems to love or hate it | 11:42 |
| kanzure | thesnark: i say murder everyone you know, it's the only logical thing to do | 11:42 |
| thesnark | kanzure wow...you're right! | 11:42 |
| thesnark | Why didn't I realize that before? | 11:43 |
| thesnark | f) Kill everyone | 11:43 |
| audy | diff their organs | 11:43 |
| thesnark | hahah | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | i just want something like openscad (without the visualization) for electronics | 11:48 |
| kanzure | is this what pycircuit is? | 11:48 |
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| kanzure | i just want 1) component objects 2) graphs 3) octopart/digikey/upverter component database integration | 11:49 |
| kanzure | also 4) circuit analysis would be hott, but i can write that bullshit on my own | 11:49 |
| chris_99 | ltspice is pretty good btw if you haven't used that already | 11:51 |
| jrayhawk | wait who loves perl | 12:15 |
| jrayhawk | other than, like, schwartz, conway, and wall | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | python ftw ;) | 12:19 |
| thesnark | python is the shit | 12:20 |
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| chevbird | hey all. just had lunch with geoff and figured you'd all enjoy this talk. http://video.mit.edu/watch/lemelson-mit-eurekafest-2009-30000-lemelson-mit-student-prize-winner-presentation-4261/ | 12:32 |
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| kanzure | a driveby linking. | 12:38 |
| kanzure | the worst kind of crime. | 12:38 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, qucs makes a nice simulator | 12:38 |
| kanzure | i just want a python library or api | 12:38 |
| kanzure | i guess i can write it myself but i'd be very surprised if GUIs is all we have | 12:39 |
| archels | kanzure: find the variant of spice that suits your needs | 12:41 |
| kanzure | spice is for simulation | 12:42 |
| kanzure | i am confused by your comments | 12:42 |
| archels | I thought that is what you wanted? | 12:45 |
| kanzure | simulation sounds like #4, but i am more interested in #1 through #3 | 12:45 |
| archels | spice does 1, 2 and 4 but not 3 | 12:45 |
| archels | spice can be primitive in places. | 12:46 |
| kanzure | this doesn't look like anything useful to me https://github.com/rca/PySPICE/blob/master/spice/objects.py | 12:47 |
| kanzure | this looks slightly more usefl https://github.com/henjo/gnucap-python/blob/master/example/custom_ac.py | 12:50 |
| kanzure | *useful | 12:50 |
| kanzure | but why notj ust import components into the python namespace? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | *just | 12:50 |
| kanzure | holy fuck this is terrible | 12:53 |
| kanzure | http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/classes/icbook/spice/Examples/examples.html | 12:53 |
| thesnark | hahaha | 12:53 |
| thesnark | kanzure has discovered what I had to put up with in school | 12:54 |
| thesnark | however it's a very accurate simulator | 12:54 |
| ThomasEgi | advice. use a GUI to map out your circuit. let it generate spice-suiteable output. | 12:55 |
| ThomasEgi | working with raw numbers just makes no sense (at least not to me) | 12:56 |
| ThomasEgi | oh. btw. anyone from norway around? | 12:56 |
| kanzure | why would i care about the layout of my circuit? | 12:56 |
| kanzure | it's just going to change by the time it gets to a pcb anyway | 12:56 |
| ThomasEgi | well usualy. people draw a circuit. simulate it, change it. simulate it etc. | 12:57 |
| ThomasEgi | when they are happy with it, they make a pcb | 12:57 |
| kanzure | ok why would i want to draw anything? | 12:58 |
| ThomasEgi | i know noone who writes spice simulations by hand , and then starts drawing the actual circuit when the simulation runs as desired | 12:58 |
| kanzure | i just want to write down the topology | 12:58 |
| ThomasEgi | if that works for you | 12:58 |
| ThomasEgi | most circuits are pretty complex, so having a visual layout helps a lot | 12:58 |
| kanzure | yeah but the visualization should be separate | 12:59 |
| ThomasEgi | usualy is is. as the visualisation only generates the simulation parameter stuff. like netlists or the spice input | 13:00 |
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| chevbird | sorry about the post and run from earlier. computer issues | 13:26 |
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| panax | try ltspice if you want schematics | 13:58 |
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| kanzure | "Definition of structures in the white matter is sometimes confusing. For example, names, such as the internal capsule, refer to specific locations in the white matter. This structure contains various axonal tracts with different trajectories (i.e., corticospinal tract, corticopontine tract, corticothalamic tract, thalamocortical tract, etc.). " | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | "On the other hand, nomenclature such as the corticospinal and corticopontine refers to the connection between two anatomic regions, although the separation of these two types of nomenclature is not always clear in white matter anatomy." | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | some diffusion tensor imaging data.. https://www.mristudio.org/wiki/installation | 16:09 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.facebook.com/groups/4410586435/10150863493141436/?notif_t=group_comment_reply | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | damnit one sec | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/include-funding-next-fiscal-budget-life-extension-researchit-idea-whose-time-has-come/w8KnYT69 | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | I'm sure we've got some skeptics on what the white house peitions will actually do | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | however for 20 seconds of your time .. probably couldn't hurt | 16:50 |
| yashgaroth | wow that's a terribly written petition | 16:54 |
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| delinquentme | I'm not sure it can be edited post... posting | 17:03 |
| delinquentme | but feel free to volunteers =] | 17:03 |
| kanzure | what? volunteer to delete it? | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | rewrite it | 17:13 |
| delinquentme | i think deleting it would do even less good .. you dont think so? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | their platform sucks and no they don't allow edits | 17:14 |
| delinquentme | i mean a signature couldn't hurt though right? | 17:15 |
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| ParahSailin__ | lol whitehouse.gov petitions | 17:47 |
| chevbird | lol indeed | 17:49 |
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| eudoxia | it looks like it was written by a stoned... Eclipse Phase gamemaster? | 18:09 |
| gl00m | i wrote this earlier http://jackparsonslabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/solomons-seal.mp3 | 18:16 |
| gl00m | speaking of stoned eclipes phase gamemasters | 18:16 |
| kanzure | why are you here | 18:34 |
| gl00m | kanzure why are you here | 18:34 |
| gl00m | the real question is why do you always ask why I am here | 18:35 |
| kanzure | because you keep sending out noisey crap | 18:35 |
| gl00m | you must look into yourself | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i don't like it when i have to clean up your mess :( | 18:36 |
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| gl00m | kanzure, after youve been around the block a few times it wont be so bad | 18:36 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18392873 | 18:50 |
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| delinquentme | Children with older fathers and grandfathers 'live longer' | 18:50 |
| eudoxia | i thought this was pretty obvious | 18:51 |
| delinquentme | really? | 18:51 |
| delinquentme | how so | 18:51 |
| eudoxia | I just guessed longevity had an inheritable component | 18:52 |
| yashgaroth | more accurate title/quote: "scientists have discovered that in sperm, telomeres lengthen with age" | 18:53 |
| eudoxia | oh nevermind i read that wrong | 18:54 |
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| @kanzure | this is an annoyingly sparse article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroanatomy | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | hrmm these guys seem to generate fake magnetic resonance images of brains http://brainweb.bic.mni.mcgill.ca/brainweb/mri_sim.html | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | explanation: http://www.nil.wustl.edu/labs/kevin/man/answers/mnispace.html | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | hrmm. http://www.slicer.org/ | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | huh.. http://neuro.debian.net/pkgs/fsl-mni-structural-atlas.html | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | well. okay debian. | 19:15 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/58372028@N00/6325651271/ | 20:28 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder what happened to this petition | 20:29 |
| jrayhawk | the "we the people" website is hilariously unnavigable | 20:29 |
| jrayhawk | anyone requiring a screen reader is apparently not a person | 20:30 |
| @kanzure | i bet osmeone at the white house printed it out, and then ate it for lunch | 20:30 |
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| foucist | yo kanzure | 23:13 |
| foucist | sean wrona's got problems! he needs to stop typing so fricking fast | 23:13 |
| foucist | what's your typing speed at | 23:14 |
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