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| brownies | isn't research supported by NIH grants supposed to be publicly available? | 01:35 |
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| Utopiah | http://aiedam.usc.edu/index.php/SpecialIssues/Vol27No4 | 01:37 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure what does triplr have to do with finding free places to camp along roadtrips? | 07:28 |
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| atum | he prolly ment grindr | 07:30 |
| atum | fwiw | 07:30 |
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| nmz787 | umm, grindr says its for finding guys | 07:31 |
| Utopiah | CouchSurfing? | 07:31 |
| chido | ..guys who let you sleep on their couch afterwards? | 07:31 |
| nmz787 | kanzure asked if there were any projects/apps that could help with roadtrips... and i can generally find free places to sleep, but its not as easy as using google maps is... i.e. i have to look at the maps, find green areas (camping, govt land) and then look for things like mountains/hills (wind break) | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | huh? i thought you were the one who asked that | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | so confused | 07:33 |
| nmz787 | me? | 07:33 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 07:33 |
| nmz787 | before i left for california you asked if there were any tools that were lacking for roadtripping | 07:33 |
| nmz787 | you specifically asked about traffic near big cities | 07:33 |
| @kanzure | i see. well, triplr should have a list of free places to stay anyway. | 07:33 |
| nmz787 | but i think a more important/worse problem is finding places to sleep for free | 07:34 |
| nmz787 | http://triplr.org/ | 07:34 |
| nmz787 | ?? | 07:34 |
| atum | always sleep at walmart for free | 07:34 |
| atum | national forest | 07:34 |
| atum | find a squat somewhere | 07:35 |
| atum | sleeping under bridges is quite nice | 07:35 |
| atum | if you find the right one | 07:35 |
| nmz787 | right, so a nice addon/layover to google maps is something that finds that stuff for you | 07:36 |
| @kanzure | like, say.. padmapper? | 07:36 |
| nmz787 | for instance i drove from SF to NY in 3 days, slept twice along the way... once on BLM (govt) land, and once in a rest area in the car | 07:36 |
| atum | blm can be nice too | 07:37 |
| nmz787 | if it would have known i only wanted to sleep twice along the way, it would have divided the 45 hour trip by 3, then looked for 2 places along way | 07:37 |
| atum | damn | 07:37 |
| atum | it takes me 3 days to drive across texas | 07:38 |
| nmz787 | assuming that the last night was at home, etc | 07:38 |
| nmz787 | hah | 07:38 |
| atum | but im in no hurry | 07:38 |
| nmz787 | west texas the speed limit is pretty high | 07:38 |
| atum | and i only drive while the suns out | 07:38 |
| atum | so i can kick back at night and relax | 07:38 |
| nmz787 | last year i did that drive, along route 8 or 10 with no A/C | 07:38 |
| nmz787 | it really sucked | 07:38 |
| atum | so 400miles a day or so | 07:38 |
| atum | its not so bad in the winter | 07:39 |
| atum | :P | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | kernel map http://ernstsson.net/post/25837804958/the-linux-kernel-challenge | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | javascript-based synthesizer http://aikelab.net/websynth/ | 07:39 |
| atum | then come back across washington state and drop down a little during summer | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | http://www.countthecosts.org/alternative-world-drug-report "drug war report" | 07:39 |
| atum | lateral snowbirding | 07:40 |
| @kanzure | "Instead, despite more than a trillion dollars spent fighting the war, according to the UNODC, illegal drugs are used by an estimated 270 million people and organised crime profits from a trade with an estimated turnover of over $330 billion a year – the world’s largest illegal commodity market" | 07:40 |
| atum | and who runs that? | 07:40 |
| atum | the Govt's | 07:40 |
| atum | lol | 07:40 |
| @kanzure | "A bit more detail further in the report: "The UNODC estimates, conservatively, that between 155 and 270 million people worldwide, or 3.5% to 5.7% of 15-64-year¬olds, used illicit substances at least once in the last year. Global lifetime usage figures probably approach one billion"" | 07:40 |
| atum | the war on drugs is fought because they hate competition | 07:40 |
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| @kanzure | hmm only 270 million people worldwide are on drugs each year? that seems a little low. | 07:40 |
| atum | the cia is still moving cocaine, even after north admitted it to congress | 07:41 |
| atum | i used to live near mena arkansas | 07:41 |
| atum | and its common knowledge after those boys died | 07:41 |
| nmz787 | i saw a nice graph years ago of linux vs windows kernel calls | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | procedurally generated webgl tree http://creativejs.com/2012/06/snappytree/ | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | lego google maps http://www.buildwithchrome.com/static/map | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | trailer for lego google maps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2NHdfudyo | 07:42 |
| @kanzure | bah "To show you how much fun this can be, we've created the world's biggest LEGO® set." | 07:43 |
| @kanzure | (let's make a bigger one) | 07:44 |
| nmz787 | that is a pretty snappy tree | 07:44 |
| nmz787 | the leaves arent 3d though | 07:45 |
| nmz787 | no leaves that i've seen on computer games are though | 07:45 |
| nmz787 | (i'm sure pixar has 3d leaves) | 07:45 |
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| nmz787 | http://iopscience.iop.org/0967-3334/32/6/004/ | 08:10 |
| nmz787 | Reconstruction of physiological signals using iterative retraining and accumulated averaging of neural network models | 08:10 |
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| nmz787 | thanks Texas http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57459357/gm-grass-linked-to-texas-cattle-deaths/ | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | "The Special Issue on Mind Uploading (Vol. 4, issue 1, June 2012) of the International Journal of Machine Consciousness, just released, “constitutes a significant milestone in the history of mind uploading research: the first-ever collection of scientific and philosophical papers on the theme of mind uploading" | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | what? there has been no other brain scanning paper collection? | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | well, i guess it's a journal of "consciousness" so it's probably useless | 08:15 |
| nmz787 | "Preliminary tests revealed the Tifton 85 grass, which has been here for years, had suddenly started producing cyanide gas, poisoning the cattle." | 08:15 |
| nmz787 | wtf | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | yeah, the cyanide thing is weird | 08:16 |
| nmz787 | "CORRECTION: As originally published, this story referred to Tifton 85 grass as a genetically-modified product, which is incorrect; it is actually a hybrid of Bermuda grass." | 08:16 |
| nmz787 | "An official at the Department of Agriculture told CBS News that there are currently no genetically modified grasses on the market or bring grown for public use or consumption." | 08:17 |
| @kanzure | clinical gene therapy article http://the-scientist.com/2012/06/01/targeting-dna/ | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | "Another engineered oncolytic virus nearing clinical approval is OncoVEX, developed by Massachusetts-based biotech BioVex, which last year partnered with Amgen in a deal that could be worth $1 billion. The drug, named last year as one of FierceBiotech’s 10 promising late-stage cancer drugs, is a special strain of the Herpes simplex type 1 (HSV-1) virus that carries an immune-boosting component." | 08:18 |
| nmz787 | http://www.oncolyticsbiotech.com/ | 08:21 |
| nmz787 | how much is fetal genetic testing? | 08:25 |
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| nmz787 | does that require IVF to first get enough cells in-vitro to remove some for sequencing?? | 08:25 |
| nmz787 | if so I guess that's outside of my reach for some years | 08:26 |
| nmz787 | i'd rather just keep trying for non-genetically-damaged kids | 08:26 |
| nmz787 | (apparently damaged) | 08:26 |
| @kanzure | other interesting stat: i heard the other day that something like 60 million pregnancies have been due to IVF? | 08:26 |
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| @kanzure | "This year's theme is Radical Openness, so of course we had to be part of it. We had dinner in a real castle last night, so we're all prepared for Ellen's TED talk on DIYbio and worldwide community labs during the "Tinker Make Do" session this afternoon, and the Genspace booth where we will have the TEDsters extract and test their DNA, and transform E. coli with pBLU. And the DNA cocktails we're making with strawberries will probably be a hit too. | 08:28 |
| nmz787 | ya | 08:28 |
| nmz787 | wouldnt they need that GMO licencse if they're in the EU? | 08:29 |
| @kanzure | i think ecoli might be the one exception (depending on their country) | 08:29 |
| chido | kanzure: 60 million? you mean ever since IVF has been put to use or what? | 08:29 |
| nmz787 | thats like 1 percent | 08:29 |
| nmz787 | THE 1%!!!! | 08:30 |
| @kanzure | chido: i found it hard to believe | 08:30 |
| chido | I'm curious about the timeframe it refers to | 08:30 |
| nmz787 | well that also doesn't mean they were succesful | 08:30 |
| chido | how many there are per year per country would be an interesting statistic | 08:30 |
| chido | including success rate | 08:30 |
| @kanzure | hmmm where did i read this number from | 08:31 |
| @kanzure | "n the US, ART cycles started in 2006 resulted in 41,343 births (54,656 infants), which is slightly more than 1% of total US births." | 08:31 |
| @kanzure | *In the | 08:31 |
| @kanzure | "Robert Edwards was awarded the 2010 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine "for the development of in vitro fertilization".[68] Carl Wood was dubbed "the father of IVF (in vitro fertilisation)" for having pioneered the use of frozen embryos.[69]" | 08:32 |
| chido | no data on Europe I presume | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | "Israel has the highest world incidence of IVF, with 1657 procedures performed per million people per year. The second highest rate is in Iceland, with 899 procedures per million people per year. In the USA 126 procedures are performed per million people per year. Israel provides unlimited free in vitro procedures for its citizens for up to two children per woman under 45 years of age." | 08:32 |
| chido | I don't think 1% is low | 08:32 |
| chido | oh that's interesting | 08:33 |
| chido | cost seems to be factor | 08:33 |
| nmz787 | whoa | 08:34 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if israel does testing too | 08:34 |
| nmz787 | sounds like a good time to visit israel | 08:34 |
| nmz787 | ! | 08:34 |
| nmz787 | :D | 08:34 |
| chido | 3 years in the army, I guess there has to be some perks | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | oh i see, this other article says only 3 million ivf babies since 1978 | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | (as of 2006) | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | "This year's data, from the International Committee for Monitoring Assisted Reproductive Technologies (ICMART), includes reports from 52 countries, and covers almost 600,000 IVF cycles and 122,000 newborn babies. " | 08:36 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120626005521/en/Citizen-Scientists-Win-Bay-Area-Open-Science | 08:44 |
| nmz787 | Ryan Bethencourt and Derek Jacoby won the Assay Depot challenge | 08:44 |
| nmz787 | kind of a letdown | 08:44 |
| nmz787 | i thought some 14 year old kids would get it | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | well, at least it's someone we know | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | derek is doing biospace.ca and ryan is doing.. well, i think he's doing his alzheimer's non-profit thig? | 08:48 |
| @kanzure | *thing | 08:48 |
| @kanzure | oh, als | 08:48 |
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| @kanzure | oh he's calling it 'halpin neurosciences' | 08:48 |
| @kanzure | weird that it doesn't mention DTRA in that article.. hrmmm | 08:49 |
| nmz787 | better than error 404: http://www.webmonkey.com/2012/06/error-451-this-page-has-been-burned/ | 08:52 |
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| @kanzure | "A member of another hackerspace and I have been diligently working on a resistor based thermocycler that's arduino controlled. Its in the final stages of testing now, total cost is ~$50-75 depending on the arduino and how fancy you want to get with the details." | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | "It has a wood laser cut box, and the block is milled out of a 1X3X3" block of aluminum, cooling is via a simple PC fan, heating is by resistors powered through an SSR with 120V AC so there's no bulky/expensive power supply needed." | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | "It runs 3 minutes per complete PCR cycle(you usually run 12-40 cycles in a full reaction). If there's interest I can work on getting another demo model built to show off at our hackerspace." | 09:27 |
| nmz787 | who where | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | that was via Matt C.M. <mcmancuso@gmail.com> | 09:28 |
| nmz787 | what hackerspace? | 09:31 |
| nmz787 | atxhs? | 09:31 |
| nmz787 | wtf is that? | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | austin hackerspace | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | austin, texas (atx) | 09:31 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: i think he might have meant it has 40 wells? | 09:38 |
| @kanzure | not 40 cycles in 3min | 09:38 |
| nmz787 | " PCR cycle(you usually run 12-40 cycles in a full reaction)" | 09:39 |
| nmz787 | " It runs 3 minutes per complete PCR cycle(you usually run 12-40 cycles in a full reaction)." | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | ooo | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | 3 minutes per cycle | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | shit | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | i flamed him | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | :( | 09:40 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure texmaker is saying it can't find a .cls file | 09:54 |
| nmz787 | i think its complaining about this line \documentclass[margin,line]{resume} | 09:55 |
| nmz787 | the cls file is in the same dir as the tex file | 09:56 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: not sure how to fix that, my tex-fu is weak at the moment. | 10:08 |
| nmz787 | damnit, i just need to delete two lines from my resume | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | gah | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | looking for electronics/soldering jobs here | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | i can't get focused to rewrite the JBEI app I made last summer | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | and I can't keep being a bum | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | i really don't want to go and play car mechanic, nor do I want some stuffy lab job... need something interesting and relaxed | 10:14 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | soooftware | 10:14 |
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| ThomasEgi | nmz787, soldering?... like manually?? | 10:19 |
| ThomasEgi | in production? | 10:19 |
| nmz787 | sure, whatev | 10:19 |
| ThomasEgi | ahm.. .. does that even exist? | 10:20 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean unless you are hobbyist or prototyping in a lab | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i think you would be severely underemployed just soldering | 10:21 |
| ThomasEgi | besides. modern circuits can hardly be soldered by hand. parts are just too tiny | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: smt parts + microscope? | 10:22 |
| ThomasEgi | pick and place robots | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | yeah but he wants to do it himself | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | (apparently) | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | it is not fun | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | personal experience. | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | i did solder boards for 2 days straight | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | huh? | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | it plain sux. | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | EE companies do rework all the time | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | a few hours per day is ok | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | and soldering up some simple stuff then going to test is routine | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | "simple" :D | 10:24 |
| nmz787 | i used to work here and it was great :http://www.d3engineering.com/ | 10:24 |
| nmz787 | i was the only biologist there... but i was still able to hold my own | 10:25 |
| ThomasEgi | looks like you found one lucky place to work then | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | to my knowledge, there's not a 'natural fit' job for your whole skillset nathan | 10:25 |
| ThomasEgi | companies like that really aren't too common. and open jobs even less so | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | but maybe that just means you should make that exist | 10:26 |
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| ThomasEgi | +1 for creating the job you want to do. can be difficult do. but worth a try | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | it's the same thing for bio grads | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | your options are research, or minimum wage pipetting things around | 10:27 |
| nmz787 | well i didnt come to biotech school to be a biotech bitch | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | right | 10:27 |
| nmz787 | so toss that | 10:27 |
| yashgaroth | it's...slightly more than minimum wage | 10:28 |
| nmz787 | long summer camp was how i went into it | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: $7.25/hour vs. 11.25/hour isn't a big deal to me | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i'm not saying you should be a lab bitch. i'm just saying that nobody else wants to either. so if you come up with something else, you can have your pick of who you want to work with. | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | e.g. maybe the actual price for a biotech bitch is really $200/hour, not $12.85/hour | 10:29 |
| @kanzure | how would you get to that point? | 10:29 |
| ThomasEgi | selling a product/service that does not exist yet but people are desperate to get hands on. | 10:29 |
| @kanzure | maybe. | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | i'm a little surprised that there's no biotech bitch union | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if researchers have unionized in any of the socialist countries | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | i don't see anything in the search results. | 10:32 |
| yashgaroth | I doubt it | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | http://www.ileu.org/ "The Independent Laboratory Employees Union is a small, independent, labor union. We represent the FLSA covered workers at the ExxonMobil Research and Engineering Co., located in Annandale, NJ." | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | "“We’ve offered Lab workers 8.5% over three years with a pay scale from $45,000 to $56,000 for entry level scientists – experienced staff will earn considerably more. In addition, they will get automatic annual increments that average around 2% a year. What we’re asking for in return is some rostering flexibility." | 10:34 |
| @kanzure | but this seems to be a medical lab-related union in new zealand. | 10:34 |
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| yashgaroth | how do you reconcile unions with massive yearly layoffs, or BSs competing with PhDs for jobs | 10:35 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | nice | 10:35 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i'm just curious if they exist, i dunno if it would improve the situation | 10:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | union scientists | 10:35 |
| yashgaroth | I think people who go into clinical lab science might have a union | 10:35 |
| yashgaroth | but that's running hospital assays...they do get paid well | 10:36 |
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| yashgaroth | I dunno if it'd improve the situation...I don't want my theoretical job to be on the line because most people in the field are bad at their jobs | 10:37 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: i dunno if a science strike would work | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | let's get all scientists to strike until elsevier converts all their issues to open access? | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | i mean, that will just mean that NIH would give grants to whoever submits grants.. which will probably be everyone, because they would think nobody else is submitting | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | and, to some extent, nothing terrible happens if scientists go on strike for a week or two | 10:41 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | Hah.. "You won't get a single study out of us until we get paid maternity leave!" | 10:50 |
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| ThomasEgi | strikes.. doesn't that only work if you either ruin your company or pissing off customers? | 10:51 |
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| ThomasEgi | i mean. without you have no pressure on the higher ups | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | yeh it's almost like a "favor" that these guys get paid $8/hour to pipette things.. haha. that's not a favor! | 10:52 |
| nmz787 | i want paternity leave | 10:54 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if a science union could provide guaranteed grants | 11:03 |
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| @kanzure | why doesn't china just buy american scientists? | 11:10 |
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| ThomasEgi | because they send their students to germany to get free education ^ | 11:11 |
| ThomasEgi | and then have their own scientists | 11:11 |
| nmz787 | germany gives china free schooling? | 11:15 |
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| @kanzure | what a peculiar wikipedia article | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_investigation#The_New_Science_of_Post-Flashover_Burning | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | "These investigators set up two rooms, simple 12 by 14 foot bedrooms, set each of them on fire, and allowed them to burn for about two minutes after they flashed over. They then asked 53 participants in a Las Vegas IAAI-sponsored fire investigation seminar to walk through the burned compartments and to write down the quadrant in which they believed the fire had originated." | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | "In the first compartment, three participants identified the correct quadrant. When the exercise was repeated on the second compartment, three different participants identified the correct quadrant." | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | "These results caused much consternation, particularly as ATF agents began presenting the results to groups of investigators. The bottom line was “The “old-days” of locating the point of origin of a post-flashover fire by relying on the “lowest burn and deepest char” are OVER![12]" | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | "When word of the ATF experiments reached the fire investigation community, people began to examine the data more closely, because an error rate over 90% was simply unimaginable! In fact, the poor results should have surprised nobody. Carman reports that in the undocumented tests at Glynnco, the success rate was 8 to 10%.[13" | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | how did you get on that? | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | got bored waiting for my ruby console to boot up (78 seconds, woot) | 12:07 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | ThomasEgi: were you the fellow that gave me that tDCS schematic a while bacjk? | 13:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://jasonlefkowitz.net/2007/06/bring_a_change/ | 13:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Alli ~ Olestra | 13:11 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: i know a david lefkowitz.. related? | 13:13 |
| @kanzure | - David Lefkowitz <dlefkowitz@gmail.com>: [opencures, the-vegas-project, papers, longevity, stem cells, rocket science] | 13:13 |
| @kanzure | he also went to singularity summit | 13:13 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: so all these merck salaries look like they are >$60,000 to me | 13:23 |
| yashgaroth | need more context | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | like on glassdoor.com | 13:23 |
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| yashgaroth | for RA positions? | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | wizzrobe: hi | 13:24 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: no for research positions | 13:24 |
| wizzrobe | hi | 13:24 |
| yashgaroth | right but like experience levels, education etc | 13:24 |
| wizzrobe | in what way are we impeded from DIY-BIO because of bizarre restrictions on ordering lab equipment through the mail? | 13:25 |
| brownies | nmz787: how many papers have you published | 13:25 |
| brownies | kanzure and i DEMAND ANSWERS | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | haha | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | wizzrobe: if you are impeded in that manner, then you should just build the equipment yourself (fuck the mail) | 13:25 |
| yashgaroth | wizzrobe: not so much equipment as reagents | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: my point is that, it's not well illustrated that all these biotech jobs are low paying | 13:26 |
| yashgaroth | oh they're not always...entry level with a BS is 40k+, entry level postdoc is 80 | 13:26 |
| yashgaroth | err, post-postdoc | 13:26 |
| yashgaroth | that's industry though, academic is at least a third less | 13:27 |
| nmz787 | brownies: none in journals | 13:27 |
| @kanzure | postdoc is 4 years BS, 3-5 years PhD, 2-4 years postdoc, right? | 13:27 |
| yashgaroth | approximately, yeah | 13:28 |
| brownies | PhD in 3 years? good god | 13:28 |
| yashgaroth | if you're not a fan of sleep, sure | 13:28 |
| @kanzure | that's the "hooray my experiments worked the first time" version | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | i was makin almost 40k at that electrical engi company i was talking about earlier | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | 2 years ago | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | and i coulda kept workin there, except i "had to" go back to school | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | 40k is not that great for such a high-skills job | 13:29 |
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| nmz787 | for what i was doing, it was comfortable | 13:29 |
| brownies | so now you've graduated | 13:29 |
| brownies | and you have job offers? | 13:29 |
| nmz787 | me? | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | (but i guess 40k is good for an intro job with no degree or experience) | 13:29 |
| brownies | yup | 13:30 |
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| nmz787 | i was friggin workin on state of the art drug infusion pumps | 13:30 |
| nmz787 | me! | 13:30 |
| brownies | sounds cool! | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i was trying to use you as an example to brownies about the state of low-paying biotech jobs | 13:31 |
| @kanzure | so he's asking what sorta offers you've received or how many interviews | 13:31 |
| @kanzure | but, on the other hand, all the merck job salaries i see listed are >$60k which is not what i expected (but i don't see degree requirements; for 10 years of education, $80k sounds crummy) | 13:31 |
| brownies | i'm sticking to my claim that PhD => 100k+ salary unless i see multiple data points showing a counterexample trend | 13:32 |
| brownies | *in the private sector | 13:32 |
| yashgaroth | plus a few years of experience, you might get near there at a large company | 13:33 |
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| nmz787 | i'm tethering and my internet doesn't work when i take a call | 13:34 |
| yashgaroth | small biotech also pays less because they can give you stock which maaaay be worth a lot of money | 13:34 |
| nmz787 | offers? | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | well i still have a job at a national lab here, as a student appointment | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | no offers | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | i haven't been job hunting too much though because i didn't know where i would end up | 13:35 |
| @kanzure | ah | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | and i figure i could just do this bioinformatics at $13/hour | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | until i found one | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | i had an interview here in manhattan at cornell med and they said the minimum they would pay was $34.6k or something | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | sooo 2 years ago at the EE company i was already on par with that | 13:37 |
| brownies | ahh, well, if you're at a national research lab or fancy academic institution or something, then there's some value to just having that brand on your resume | 13:37 |
| brownies | presumably it would let you publish more papers and such things | 13:37 |
| yashgaroth | 35k in manhattan? that seems really low | 13:37 |
| @kanzure | manhattan is supposed to have *higher* salaries | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | the only job offer i've had this year was from a car mechanic when i took my car there and was telling him the problem and the recent work i did to it | 13:37 |
| brownies | ...yeah, you don't want to live in manhattan making 35k. | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | i've seen tons of craiglist bio jobs offering $28k | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | what.. 28? | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | thats rent and ramen | 13:38 |
| yashgaroth | for dishwashing maybe | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | nop | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | not dishwashing? then what? | 13:38 |
| brownies | maybe you should not look for bioengineering jobs on craigslist -_- | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | show me a link | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | for PCR, nucleic extractions | 13:38 |
| brownies | for manual labor, basically? | 13:38 |
| yashgaroth | ehh most jobs get posted on CL, but I'd recommend biospace | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | brownies: highly trained manual labor ;) | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | what else is most of biotech other than labor?? | 13:39 |
| brownies | research. science. inventing things. | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | if you're not a PhD in most biotech, you're not supposed to think too much | 13:39 |
| yashgaroth | not always true, but almost always | 13:39 |
| brownies | i wandered into a biotech lab as a college freshman and all they told me was "invent a solution to this, see you in 3 months" | 13:39 |
| brownies | ^ granted, that was a horrible experience, since i had no idea what i was doing. | 13:39 |
| @kanzure | was that your test to see if they wanted to let you join their lab? | 13:39 |
| yashgaroth | like, a programming solution? | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | sure, that was in your school | 13:39 |
| brownies | it was a summer research thing | 13:40 |
| brownies | no, it was for a lab in the same town as my school | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | it wasn't their money | 13:40 |
| brownies | private outfit though | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | oh | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | maybe it was their money | 13:40 |
| brownies | anyway, point is (among other points...) that job never made it to craigslist | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | sure, neither did the sweet job at the EE company | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | actually, all the jobs i've had in the last 6-8 years have been through networking | 13:41 |
| brownies | yashgaroth: it took me like a month of reading to find out they had given me a well-known unsolved problem in fluid mechanics and drug coating. those bastards. | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | i got the national lab job by posting to DIYBIO google group | 13:42 |
| yashgaroth | haha | 13:42 |
| nmz787 | ok g2g, will check logs in an hour or so | 13:42 |
| yashgaroth | again I'd recommend biospace.com for job listings | 13:43 |
| @kanzure | just think union | 13:43 |
| yashgaroth | also send your resume into the big recruiting agencies | 13:43 |
| brownies | haha | 13:43 |
| @kanzure | well let's see.. how many bio undergrads finish each year? 2000 per college? let's say 100 colleges. so 200,000 additional workers per year that could potentially go into biotech jobs. | 13:45 |
| @kanzure | (not all do, obviously) | 13:45 |
| @kanzure | i guess that's only a few billion dollars in salaries, i think the biotech industry could support that | 13:45 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/06/25/help-us-shape-our-strategy-intellectual-property-enforcement | 14:36 |
| @kanzure | they usually include all emails you send in a giant pdf | 14:36 |
| @kanzure | so at the very least you can get in a troll face or something | 14:36 |
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| nmz787 | well i just broke biospace.com | 15:40 |
| nmz787 | :P | 15:40 |
| nmz787 | or their search is broken or something | 15:41 |
| yashgaroth | yeah the search is a little wonky if you try too much at once | 15:41 |
| nmz787 | "new york city" is too much? | 15:41 |
| nmz787 | Server Error in '/' Application. | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | Runtime ErrorDescription: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine. | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a <customErrors> tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This <customErrors> tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off". | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | <!-- Web.Config Configuration File --> <configuration> <system.web> <customErrors mode="Off"/> </system.web> </configuration> | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's <customErrors> configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL. | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | <!-- Web.Config Configuration File --> <configuration> <system.web> <customErrors mode="RemoteOnly" defaultRedirect="mycustompage.htm"/> </system.web> </configuration> | 15:42 |
| yashgaroth | oh god what have you done | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ATTACK! | 15:42 |
| yashgaroth | try using a zip code or something | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | ooo, nope | 15:42 |
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| brownies | seems to work for me. | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | wtf | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | did you use a keyword? | 15:44 |
| yashgaroth | new york city works for me as a search...not that there's any biotech in the city | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | ahh, now its working | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | yeah nothing around NYC | 15:46 |
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| nmz787 | psh, craigslist has more hits than this site | 15:47 |
| yashgaroth | well it's still the defacto site | 15:47 |
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| nmz787 | even less in portland OR | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | cool, yeah i don't think i've heard of it | 15:47 |
| yashgaroth | it's good for industry news and such | 15:48 |
| yashgaroth | that canadian guy at the conference who started biospace.ca had somehow never heard of biospace.com, I was like wtf | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i don't do iis ;) | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: biospace.com looks like spam | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | whats a good 'cool coffee shop' finder site, or should i just use yelp/googlemaps? | 15:48 |
| yashgaroth | well it ain't | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: are you sure? | 15:49 |
| nmz787 | how can you tell | 15:49 |
| nmz787 | one man's trash is another man's spam | 15:49 |
| yashgaroth | because many people I know find jobs through it | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | well let's see.. | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | 1) iis | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | 2) design is from 1995 | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | 3) ads | 15:49 |
| yashgaroth | a: biologists | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | Therefore, nobody cares about this web property, they aren't making money, and it's probably just spam. | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | i doubt biologists made this website | 15:50 |
| yashgaroth | yeah but biologists don't know what iis is so they don't care | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | look at all the terrible javascript on the page | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: the tools that you use for your job will strongly indicate what sort of quality you have | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | iis??? | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | iis means "corporate whore" | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: those looked like aspx errors to me | 15:51 |
| @kanzure | so i am assuming iis | 15:51 |
| @kanzure | it might be some java thing | 15:51 |
| @kanzure | but all their links are .aspx... so, iis | 15:51 |
| yashgaroth | fuck man I dunno | 15:51 |
| @kanzure | it's a microsoft server product | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | ah | 15:52 |
| nmz787 | sounds like something some scientists would use bc they dont know better | 15:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | uhh | 15:54 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what's wrong with IIS again? | 15:54 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: says its microsoft | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | which is enough for me to bash it without knowing much else | 15:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ahh, yeah | 15:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's a tool to do a job | 15:57 |
| Mokbortolan_ | silly OS tribalism is silly | 15:57 |
| nmz787 | lol | 15:58 |
| nmz787 | i use windows now just cuz it has all the tablet pc features and onenote (notebook software) | 15:59 |
| yashgaroth | I use it because vidjagames | 15:59 |
| nmz787 | gaymz | 15:59 |
| yashgaroth | * | 15:59 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: you don't get to talk because you're a microsoft monkey :P | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | so you get through any interviews yet yashgaroth? | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: are you a portlander? | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | yes | 16:00 |
| yashgaroth | had 3 or 4, got another next week | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: i think stackoverflow is executed pretty well on iis. but iis + ads + all these other indicators => might give you more clues about who makes this site and how to judge its quality. | 16:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | nmz787: I am indeed | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | oh cool | 16:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yeah, I think IIS should really only be used when you absolutely have to use it :p | 16:05 |
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| nmz787 | my gf is interviewing on phone with intel in hillsboro right now | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | so we might end up out there | 16:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that is, if you are forced to use activex, VB.net, AD integration, or other such stuffs | 16:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | nice! | 16:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, Portland is awesome | 16:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Hillsboro is.... kind of boring. | 16:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and the commute is crap between the two unless you take the max, then it's just long. | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | is hillsboro, hilly? | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not really | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | :( | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's past a big hill | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | i like hills | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | there are some sloping hills | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | yeah i dunno where we'd live | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | but the hilly bits are between portland and hillsboring | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it depends, how rich are you ?:p | 16:08 |
| nmz787 | umm | 16:08 |
| nmz787 | not | 16:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | a 2bd 1ba in a semi-crummy neighborhood is costing us $1200 | 16:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | we just moved out of an 800sqft 2bd1ba apartment that was $800 | 16:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | we're on east side, near Powell and 60th now, the apartment was at 20th and Burnside | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 16:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's Portland, of course | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | cheaper than nyc or sf | 16:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | NW portland is more trendy with bars and such, but very crowded | 16:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh yeah | 16:09 |
| @kanzure | 845sqft 2bd2ba apartment $830/mo here. | 16:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you can always live downtown, tha'ts fun | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | (you guys can start hating me now) | 16:10 |
| nmz787 | so she thinks she did well, gonna hear back this week hopefully | 16:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | cool | 16:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | there's a guy in #reddit-portland who just got a job there | 16:10 |
| nmz787 | if so she'll have an onsite on the fri 13th | 16:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | he moved up from somewherein Texas | 16:10 |
| nmz787 | and i think i'll fly out with her | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | so maybe we can meetup that weekend | 16:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | where are you guys now? | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | nyc | 16:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hehehe, it's a little slower than NYC, I think :p | 16:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and we don't drive ANYTHING like new york drivers | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | well, it took me an hour to drive 11 miles yesterday | 16:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you know those guys who dart in and out and accelerate and brake rapidly? | 16:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | we don't do that | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | so i'm not too thrilled with the 'liveliness' | 16:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, sometimes drivers from LA come up here and do that, but they get pulled over | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | lol | 16:13 |
| nmz787 | is it sunny or cloudy mostly? | 16:14 |
| Mokbortolan_ | It depnds | 16:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you get some sun and sky for a few weeks in the summer | 16:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | but the rest of the time it's overcast and drizzly | 16:17 |
| yashgaroth | coffee, alcohol and/or heroin are recommended until you get used to it | 16:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the upshot is that the really hot weather (~95F) only lasts a week or two, same with the really cold weather | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | oh | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | damn | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | i like sun | 16:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | now, Hillsboro is different | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | wiki says its the most fertile valley in the world or something | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | shit cant grow without that red and blue | 16:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | heheheh | 16:18 |
| yashgaroth | the light's there, it's just...diffuse | 16:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I wouldn't invest in solar panels on my house in Portland, but I might in Hillsboro | 16:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the beach is about 1.5hrs away | 16:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and it's usually about 20F cooler | 16:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it'll be 70F in the dead of summer | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | hmm, sounds like SF | 16:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hmm | 16:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not like SF | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | but without the eastbay or livermore (the latter being almost desert) | 16:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the wind makes it pretty chilly sometimes | 16:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | very windy up here | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | i was reading about chinook winds | 16:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the air may be 70F, but when it's moving at 10mph, you won't feel like you're in SF | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | going from like -54F to 45F in a minute or something (that was a record) | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | they are embalming lonesome george? | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if i could just buy him and have me some tasty, tasty turtle soup | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: october 29-31 is some stem cell thing in la jolla | 16:24 |
| yashgaroth | link? | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | some CIRM-related symposium | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | hhh | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | uhh | 16:24 |
| yashgaroth | nm I'll check their site | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | http://stemcellmeetingonthemesa.com/ | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | also, wtf you're in san diego? | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | why aren't you going to the weekly GRG meetings | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | oh, those are in LA. that would be a good reason why. | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | ok. catastrophe avoided. | 16:25 |
| yashgaroth | I was considering it, until I saw that guy from there raving about the flu or some bullshit | 16:25 |
| yashgaroth | also yeah LA | 16:25 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | but yeah, if you guys come up lemme know and we'll get a beer or somesuch | 16:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | though I'm afraid I'm not too exciting, being fully employed and a father of two :p | 16:29 |
| nmz787 | ok | 16:30 |
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| nmz787 | ya we'll prob come for the weekend | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | if so could we sleep on your floor (sleeping bags), or in a tent in your yard or something? | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | i think intel would prob only pay for 1 night of hotel | 16:30 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: you should stay with jrayhawk | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: this is what you get for being friendly to people | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | i'll have to ask him about it | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: kanzure says i should ask you to stay for a few nights, couch, floor, treehouse, etc | 16:35 |
| n_bentha | i call treehouse! | 16:37 |
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| @kanzure | pasky: where can i find documentation about what environment variables are available during certain git hooks? :( | 17:42 |
| pasky | umm.. :) | 17:45 |
| pasky | i don't think there's anything better than running export in the hook and looking at what you have there | 17:47 |
| pasky | you can look up the meaning in git(1) | 17:47 |
| pasky | btw i did what i need with pokemon yellow, it was the same kind of structure just at different offset... my mistake was just that i thought the pokemon ids were in the pokedex numbering, didn't realize there is another internal numbering | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | yes i hate the two different numbering systems | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | they should have picked just one. | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | hrmm git 1.7 doesn't seem to respect pre-push and post-push hooks | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2008/8/19/2996404 | 18:07 |
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| @kanzure | i want to make a linkedin profile with a markov chain bot. it should be an aggregate of all the other linkedin profiles. | 18:13 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | has anybody ever heard of the "journal of bioelectricity"? | 18:21 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | was reading this: http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html | 18:22 |
| yashgaroth | oh dear | 18:23 |
| ParahSailin__ | that weird data structure with the 40bit pointers to save space, for some reason when i tried to replicate that, all of the 64 bit pointers i was getting were greater than 0xff x 2**32 | 18:31 |
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| jmil | kanzure: paper will be out on sunday | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | wasn't that the story like two years ago :P | 18:35 |
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| jmil | yup | 18:38 |
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| jmil | but now it's been agreed to as true by an unknown cadre of specialists | 18:39 |
| jmil | and it's clearly distinct from bioprinting | 18:39 |
| jmil | so that helps too :D | 18:40 |
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| jmil | kanzure: where should i publicize it? | 18:42 |
| jmil | openhardware mailing list? | 18:43 |
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| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: i've been reading a lot and collecting a lot of papers re: EMF of freqs less than THz | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | jmil: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | seems like ELF (extremely low freq) actually does something | 18:47 |
| jmil | ok diybio would be cool | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | and the people with chemical sensitivity also report a higher response to EMF | 18:47 |
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| jmil | kanzure: one problem i see is that the paper will not be a free download from the journal site. what do you suggest? | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | if you're an author you can provide a link from your site | 18:48 |
| nmz787 | because you own some rights, or so I remember | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | jmil: it's okay, i'll steal it for them | 18:49 |
| jmil | ok i guess we will do that | 18:49 |
| jmil | thx both of you | 18:49 |
| jmil | kanzure: i can send to you directly | 18:50 |
| jmil | i want to wrap it up nicely into a single pdf (paper + supporting information) | 18:50 |
| nmz787 | i think there are some linux tools to help with that | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | jmil: neat, i'd like that | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | also schematics :3 | 18:51 |
| jmil | naw... | 18:51 |
| jmil | schematics will go up on thingiverse :D | 18:51 |
| jmil | i'm trying to time everything correctly but there's a lot to do to tell the story properly | 18:52 |
| jmil | i make a big deal of the open source aspect of all things in the paper | 18:52 |
| jmil | any journalists that like that stuff? | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | you should just write the article for them | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | then send it to a few | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | i don't think thingiverse is a good idea | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | how about github? | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | i think this is you http://github.com/jmil | 18:54 |
| jmil | ya that's me | 18:54 |
| jmil | i got my firmware up there already | 18:55 |
| jmil | modified reprap firmware | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | how about the models? | 18:55 |
| jmil | modified reprap parts? | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | instead of using thingiverse. | 18:55 |
| jmil | i'd have to start a new repo but i don't plan to update them because i've already moved on to an aluminum extrusion design for the new printer i'm using daily now | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | then you should include those revisions in the git repo :) | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | that's what git is for | 18:56 |
| jmil | http://www.youtube.com/user/jrdnmlr | 18:56 |
| jmil | github complains the repo is too big | 18:56 |
| jmil | is gitorious any better? | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | gitorious.org is pretty lame, in my opinion | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | how big is the repo? i can host it on diyhpl.us/cgit if necessary | 18:57 |
| jmil | what is better than github? | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | well, i mean, i can provide more space on diyhpl.us than github allows you | 18:58 |
| jmil | oh cool, thanks. we can also host it on the server in lab, but i think a main git hub type place would be faster for people around the world since it gets mirrored out so far and wide by those guys | 18:58 |
| jmil | you never know who will be interested | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | how large is the repository? | 18:58 |
| jmil | kanzure: i guess a gig or something. i'm kinda a hoarder… so all my designs, even failed ones, i keep around in folders | 18:59 |
| @kanzure | i see | 18:59 |
| @kanzure | well, i have that space, and i think github should accomodate a gig btw | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | but i might be wrong | 19:00 |
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| jmil | github is infinite space but they always balk at u if you go over the allotted tiny space | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | hrm | 19:02 |
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| @kanzure | well okay. should i go ahead and make the repo? | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | i think i still have your public key | 19:03 |
| jmil | naw don't worry about it just yet | 19:03 |
| jmil | thanks though | 19:03 |
| jmil | i gotta see what i have and what i can publish | 19:04 |
| jmil | (check with the boss) | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | "nothing" | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | :( | 19:04 |
| jmil | lol | 19:06 |
| jmil | i'm thinking the designs we used to collect the data for the paper are fair game | 19:06 |
| jmil | my newer stuff is prolly off limits | 19:06 |
| jmil | it's really just a simple syringe extruder and a couple of mods to the reprap frame to accomodate it | 19:07 |
| jmil | the secret sauce is what's coming out of the extruder | 19:07 |
| jmil | kanzure: u think i should try to sell the extruder? | 19:10 |
| jmil | i think food people might be the first to want it | 19:10 |
| jmil | it does sugar and chocolate | 19:11 |
| nmz787 | :) | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | weren't the fab@home people doing chocolate a few years ago? | 19:11 |
| jmil | it's heated, so it does REAL sugar and chocolate. not shitty icing like other people | 19:11 |
| jmil | room temp. liquid chocolate is terrible tasting | 19:11 |
| jmil | it's not a good solid chocolate | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | i don't know who would buy one, but as long as it's still an open project i don't see any harm to selling kits/things | 19:12 |
| jmil | ok cool | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | 3d printed chocolate models might be a thing | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | totally | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | choco DNA helix | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | bam | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | fat kid legos | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | hot gummi bear gelatin goo? | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | oOo | 19:15 |
| jmil | sure | 19:15 |
| jmil | my main extrudate is mostly sugar | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | "extrudate".. yep you're definitely a biologist | 19:16 |
| jmil | lol | 19:16 |
| jmil | kanzure: do u have journalist credentials? | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | yes i've published some papers | 19:18 |
| nmz787 | i reviewed an article or two for a microbiology engineering journal once | 19:18 |
| jmil | oh i mean in regards to a press embargo | 19:18 |
| nmz787 | i might still have login creds | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | jmil: i know some journalists, sure.. i suggest submitting to makezine (dale doughertry or ptorrone), | 19:19 |
| jmil | they told us today we can start talking to press about the paper since it will come out sunday as long as they are under press embargo until sunday | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | submitting to the genspace journalist guy (daniel grushkin) | 19:19 |
| jmil | kanzure: maybe i can send to u directly for your constructive criticism if you promise not to share it | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | sure | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | okay. | 19:19 |
| jmil | then we have a week or two until penn does their own press release | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | the makezine guy is probably your best bet for getting publicity drummed up | 19:20 |
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| jmil | ok cool | 19:20 |
| jmil | penn's release i spent a lot of time on getting the technical details and other interesting tidbits just right, so i want to wait until that comes out before i start drumming things up | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | boingboing also likes to publish this sorta stuff | 19:20 |
| jmil | that will help everyone | 19:20 |
| jmil | with their release | 19:20 |
| jmil | ooh boingboing would be great | 19:21 |
| jmil | u just post on boingboing or what? | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | there's a submission form | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | dan grushkin <dgrushkin@genspace.org> | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | phillip torrone <pt@oreilly.com> | 19:22 |
| @kanzure | both of these guys know me so maybe just drop my name or something | 19:22 |
| jmil | what's the etiquette? should I send to all of them at once or craft email individually to them? | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | individually. | 19:23 |
| jmil | ok cool | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | just say you have a project that you've been working on from the reprap community, and that it's getting published in naturewhatever | 19:23 |
| jmil | ok sweet thanks | 19:24 |
| jmil | gotta run. thanks kanzure | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | seeya | 19:26 |
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| nmz787 | yeah i can submit to "Applied Microbiology and Biotechnology" | 20:18 |
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| AdrianG | hi guiz | 20:19 |
| AdrianG | are we immortal yet | 20:19 |
| Jora | :/ | 20:19 |
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| Jora | There can be only one. | 20:19 |
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| AdrianG | what one | 20:38 |
| yashgaroth | hiiiiighlandaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 20:39 |
| Jora | Here we are born to be kinds, we are princes of the UNIIIIIVERRRSEEEE | 20:40 |
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| @kanzure | Jora: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSj-2shbqY ? | 20:46 |
| @kanzure | maybe i am thinking of the wrong song | 20:47 |
| Jora | lol...im watching this right now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i9kE3Ne7as | 20:47 |
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| @kanzure | Jora: you might enjoy the videos listed here: http://diyhpl.us:9001/ | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | also, shame on you for believing in consciousness | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | and shame on the allen brain institute for believing in consciousness | 20:49 |
| lichen | dont be a downer kanzure | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | bah | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | i will down anything i want! | 20:49 |
| lichen | stop forcing your own abritrary beliefs on other people | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | lichen: and consciousness isn't totally arbitrary either? | 20:49 |
| lichen | im really not up for this debate right now | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | hey wait, you started it :( | 20:50 |
| lichen | i just told you to stop being a dick | 20:50 |
| Jora | thanks for the link kanzure | 20:52 |
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| AdrianG | whateva, i do what i want ! | 20:53 |
| AdrianG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZLVi4v7lSM | 20:53 |
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| strangewarp | lol at person who claimed materialism is an arbitrary belief, when it's actually the negation of all arbitrary beliefs | 22:37 |
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