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| * kanzure saw batman | 00:09 | |
| kanzure | 7zip is definitely not no default, shit | 00:09 |
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| chido | the cover of the latest Nature issue is very h-plus-ish | 08:11 |
| chido | kanzure: how was batman? | 08:11 |
| kanzure | it was okay | 08:17 |
| kanzure | i think they ran out of money and fired the voice actor for bane for the last 25% of the movie | 08:19 |
| delinquentme | but movies arent shot sequentially :D? | 08:20 |
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| delinquentme | so kanzure why 7 zip? | 08:25 |
| kanzure | don't use 7zip | 08:25 |
| kanzure | who told you to use 7zip | 08:25 |
| delinquentme | its actually substantially better than what the 1000 genomes gzip | 08:25 |
| delinquentme | you! lol | 08:26 |
| kanzure | ok just don't use the .7z format | 08:26 |
| kanzure | use something like bzip2 or some shit | 08:26 |
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| delinquentme | ... these zip programs are taking a surprising amount of time.. | 09:30 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, any reason why not the .7z format? | 09:30 |
| kanzure | hplusroadmap represeeeeent | 09:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/07/23/hacker-will-expose-potential-security-flaw-in-more-than-four-million-hotel-room-keycard-locks/ | 09:42 |
| delinquentme | you going? | 09:46 |
| kanzure | huh? | 09:46 |
| kanzure | no i'm just saying, an hplusroadmap regular got in the news for an awesome thing. | 09:47 |
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| delinquentme | ohh ic ic | 10:01 |
| AlonzoTG | =P | 10:06 |
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| delinquentme | dude this is really cool | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | http://lgilchrist.com/how-we-got-50-women-to-our-hackathon/ | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | I totally love the way they've approached this .. and the icebreakers? someone is an amazing social hacker | 10:08 |
| AdrianG | that must be first | 10:09 |
| kanzure | icebreakers aren't exactly novel? | 10:09 |
| AdrianG | what are the icebreakers they used | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | so rock scissors paper is totally solid | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | and also this thing called people find or something like that? | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | dude a social technology-engrained find someone excercise with a bunch of nerds? | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | like im smiling just talking about it! | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | so smart. | 10:13 |
| AdrianG | rock scissors paper? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | someone should make a "better way to visualize the github repos that you watch" | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | yeah AdrianG | 10:15 |
| AdrianG | delinquentme: what about them | 10:16 |
| AdrianG | i dont get u | 10:16 |
| delinquentme | did you read the article? | 10:17 |
| delinquentme | Its just brilliant that people get nerds and social interaction and came up with something thats cool for the girls too! | 10:17 |
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| kanzure | oh so now only guys can be nerds? are you sure you're thinking straight | 10:24 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, nah not at all | 10:27 |
| delinquentme | but like everyone likes it when the social introductions go smoothly | 10:27 |
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| delinquentme | soo compression is a pretty intensive operation huh? | 10:33 |
| kanzure | http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-2/ biohacking stuff.. but it's "journal of peer production" ugh | 10:36 |
| kendoka | teach girls how to hack their ex's facebook | 10:38 |
| kendoka | then once they're hooked you can move on to biohacking | 10:38 |
| delinquentme | HAHAHAHA | 10:40 |
| kanzure | is this what you think about maradydd? | 10:40 |
| delinquentme | kendoka, has some insight here... | 10:40 |
| kanzure | or chido? | 10:40 |
| kanzure | geeze | 10:40 |
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| delinquentme | if someone used rockets and SSDs for genomes | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | that'd be pretty fast :D | 10:45 |
| delinquentme | "high bandwidth" | 10:45 |
| delinquentme | could also use drones | 10:45 |
| delinquentme | but punk kids might shoot those down | 10:45 |
| * nsh notes proper bong-passing etiquette | 10:46 | |
| delinquentme | lolol | 10:46 |
| nsh | the data processing systems involved with the large hadron collider are worth investigating, if you're interested in how scientists deal with mind-numbing amounts of information | 10:48 |
| delinquentme | nsh, maybe we should just fab nanowires and use that | 10:48 |
| nsh | google tech talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfyHdFo5GWE | 10:48 |
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| delinquentme | nsh, but the signal : noise on that is substantial | 10:51 |
| delinquentme | like I've got very simple questions | 10:51 |
| delinquentme | I dont need to know the intricacies | 10:51 |
| delinquentme | just need to know " can we do simple shit to make genomes transfer faster ?" | 10:52 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, how was ohiopyle?? | 10:52 |
| nmz787 | ended up going to linn run state park | 10:52 |
| nmz787 | near idlewild | 10:52 |
| nsh | delinquentme, why are you interested in this question in particular? | 10:53 |
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| delinquentme | yeahhh! thats a cool place | 10:53 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: ok so why is gzip not an answer? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: have you even tried it? | 10:53 |
| nsh | idlewild are an indie band from scottish western isles | 10:53 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: hello | 10:53 |
| yashgaroth | whatup | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, yeah i just did ... and i've got a little spreadsheet of the packaged sizes | 10:54 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: ok. so what's the problem with that? | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | nsh, Im really interested by the fact that backblaze has no genomics customers | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | and stupid big data is an issue | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | why aren't they being utilized | 10:54 |
| kanzure | not everyone knows about all products | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | they're open source, they're backup and they're substantially cheaper than amazong | 10:54 |
| kanzure | are you just trying to get us to spend money | 10:55 |
| nsh | the teams who produce these data sets are often associated with large academic or commercial institutions with their own in-house storage solutions | 10:55 |
| nsh | which isn't necessarily optimal, but is default | 10:55 |
| kanzure | for a while google was offering to send free hard drives to academics | 10:56 |
| ParahSailin | journal of peer production? | 10:56 |
| kanzure | and then people would load up their data and mail it back | 10:56 |
| yashgaroth | illumina almost lost all their data in a flood a few years ago since they didn't backup | 10:56 |
| kanzure | neat. | 10:56 |
| yashgaroth | they do backups now, I hope | 10:56 |
| ParahSailin | this company sometimes sends hard drives to clients as the delivery | 10:57 |
| kanzure | this is because the cost of sequencing is still greater than the cost of data storage | 10:57 |
| kanzure | if you're spending $20k on a genome you might as well get it on a hard drive or two anyway | 10:58 |
| delinquentme | nsh, exactly its the default way of doing it | 10:58 |
| delinquentme | the default answer to my question is " No weve tried everything and its not that simple " | 10:59 |
| delinquentme | but what if something is being overlooked in this data transfer problem? | 10:59 |
| delinquentme | SURE thats an easy question to ask ... and utterly vacuous without a good answer | 10:59 |
| delinquentme | but.. what if? | 10:59 |
| kanzure | it's not much of a problem.. transferring is still way faster than sequencing | 10:59 |
| kanzure | and OC148 is pretty fast | 11:00 |
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| kanzure | well, i mean oc192 | 11:00 |
| kanzure | ooh they have oc768 now. | 11:02 |
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| nsh | a good line of investigation would be: what is the nature of redundancy within genomic data which would lend it a particular genus of algorithmic compression | 11:06 |
| nsh | (sorry, started writing that line a good while ago and got distracted) | 11:06 |
| delinquentme | true and CpG islands would compress well | 11:06 |
| kanzure | well, if he just wants fast transfer, then he should just use lookup tables and things like SNPs | 11:06 |
| delinquentme | HMMM | 11:07 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, so you're saying look at the genome as the default sequence .. save for the differences? | 11:07 |
| yashgaroth | what why would cpg islands compress well | 11:07 |
| kanzure | no, i'm saying just reference the existing remote packets instead of sending the entire genome | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, offhand? represent the whole sequence as a binary string? | 11:09 |
| yashgaroth | no more so than any other dna sequence | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | if you've got 10000 characters you're cutting down into 1 or 0 thats a substantial compression no? | 11:09 |
| yashgaroth | it's not like they're cgcgcgcgcgcgcgcg everywhere, there's just more CGs than average | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | well even at best the 2bit for ACTG is halved then no? | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | IDK if you were here for my 00=A 10=C 01=T 11=G statement last night | 11:10 |
| yashgaroth | no that's how I'd do it | 11:10 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: so there are other situations where you do a polynomial expansion with a ew hundred thousand terms, and the coefficients and values to things like sine/cosine determine the placement of data | 11:10 |
| kanzure | but often the problem is that this representation takes more space than the actual data | 11:10 |
| ParahSailin | most of the heavy data is short reads | 11:10 |
| kanzure | so it's not really compression | 11:11 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, im sorry you lost me | 11:11 |
| ParahSailin | assembled scaffolds take up comparatively little space | 11:11 |
| yashgaroth | yeah, most data will be a short sequence (depending on the sequencing method) plus associated confidence levels for each bp | 11:11 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, this is true ... are the short reads stored often? | 11:11 |
| kanzure | why cant you just read up on existing algorithms so i don't have to teach you | 11:11 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, simplify | 11:12 |
| ParahSailin | usually clients want those as a deliverable | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, yashgaroth do labs store the short reads for extended periods of time or just the consensus | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | ? | 11:12 |
| ParahSailin | well a sequencing company keeps those indefinitely | 11:13 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you're talking signal processing and compression and like I cant pull out whats intelligible from the statement | 11:13 |
| ParahSailin | dunno what labs do with them | 11:13 |
| yashgaroth | depends on the lab...we got a library next-gen sequenced and delivered by hard drive, but in the end we just did a heatmap of enriched sequences | 11:13 |
| yashgaroth | that was all fastq data btw | 11:15 |
| delinquentme | is it a good practice to look to apply open research from academia to computation / processing problems | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | as a way to find good business ventures? | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | IDK. something I've been thinking about ... like how to generalize whats worth developing | 11:17 |
| ParahSailin | assembly based on reference | 11:17 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: old time compression was just look for a pattern that's common, then remove all those patterns and put in a placeholder that's really short... so the pattern could be 10 bits long, but the placeholder might only be 2 or 3 bits long (as long as the placeholder is unique in that it didn't exist in the dataset before) | 11:19 |
| nmz787 | with that you just saved 66% going from 10 bits to 3 | 11:20 |
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| audy | I keep all of my reads | 11:22 |
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| audy | I have them on 2 TB hard drives stacked in my office, backed up on another machine and also on Amazon S3 | 11:22 |
| audy | just in case the lab explodes | 11:22 |
| audy | I wrote a web app to manage all of this | 11:23 |
| audy | I went to the genomic standards consortium meeting this year and one of the major topics was whether or not to store all of this data | 11:24 |
| audy | One group proposed using lossy compression, another proposed throwing out the reads and just keeping the samples | 11:24 |
| ParahSailin | you paid for it | 11:24 |
| audy | because it's cheaper to re-sequence than to store | 11:24 |
| nmz787 | compression could possibly be useful since there are transposons and other repeating elements | 11:25 |
| audy | gzip works well. There's a new compression technique that uses assembly | 11:25 |
| nmz787 | but it would have to be a bit smarter than binary compression that exists | 11:25 |
| audy | called quip | 11:25 |
| nmz787 | since some transposons are just flipped in orientation | 11:25 |
| nmz787 | they could still be compressed with the same symbol, but need an extra bit to show their orientation | 11:26 |
| audy | you could also convert ascii to a 2-bit format | 11:26 |
| nmz787 | right | 11:26 |
| nmz787 | you'd want to do that first | 11:26 |
| ParahSailin | reads have N | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | http://io9.com/5928274/the-universe-could-tear-itself-apart-sooner-than-anyone-believed | 11:27 |
| audy | ParahSailin I mean post quality control | 11:27 |
| audy | trim the reads based on quality and throw out anything with an N | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | carl had a panic attack =/ | 11:27 |
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| delinquentme | buddhist shit is not helping me cope with this. | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | but by the same token doesnt this say that we've got 70% of the energy out there classified as 1 certain thing? | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | IE if we dont know what it is .. its automatically "dark energy" and thus contributing to this "big rip"? | 11:30 |
| yashgaroth | god damnit do you want to talk about sequence storage or not | 11:30 |
| audy | I have 13 illumina runs on EC2, 50 gigs. | 11:31 |
| audy | costs about $5 per month | 11:31 |
| ParahSailin | storage is maybe like the least pressing technological issue | 11:31 |
| yashgaroth | or compression or whatever we're talking about | 11:32 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: he's actually talking about business ventures -_- | 11:33 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: it's hard to follow | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | I'm kind of asking about the entire operation | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | and audy has a point ... like $5/month isnt anything substantial | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | and IDK if there are sequencing startups who need a cheap alternative | 11:34 |
| delinquentme | but maybe large sequencing operations DO need long term storage? | 11:34 |
| ParahSailin | an illumina flowcell run costs what, $50k? | 11:35 |
| ParahSailin | storing it is how many 2 TB hard drives? | 11:35 |
| audy | ParahSailin 1 | 11:36 |
| audy | ParahSailin uncompressed, including the actual images of the flowcell used to make the base calls | 11:36 |
| * audy is talking about GAIIx, not hi-seq | 11:36 | |
| audy | delinquentme you want to make a startup based around storing sequence data? | 11:36 |
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| delinquentme | audy, backblaze is a storage service which is really cheap ... moreso than amazon | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | and I've just been wondering about a service based on this ... and the data transfers seem to be the bottleneck | 11:38 |
| audy | delinquentme can you cite a backblaze backup in a publication? | 11:38 |
| delinquentme | umm well I asked them and they said they've got no genomics customers | 11:40 |
| delinquentme | so maybe .. no? But I havn't searched for a research paper with backblaze mentioned | 11:40 |
| audy | I think backblaze is for backing up your computer | 11:40 |
| audy | like timemachine but in the cloud | 11:40 |
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| ParahSailin | if you are looking for business venture, follow the plutocracy | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | audy, yeah it is | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | but they're also wildly cheap backup | 11:42 |
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| delinquentme | ParahSailin, true ! but useful would be good too | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | I might consider an evolution program for this bat http://www.filippidis.org/index/amazing/giant-bat.html | 11:43 |
| delinquentme | unlike zynga | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | dracula 2050... after a scientist spliced his own DNA with the bat's, a monster was born | 11:43 |
| audy | ParahSailin what do you mean follow the plutocracy? | 11:46 |
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| delinquentme | follow the $$$ | 11:49 |
| audy | gamified location-aware microcoupons? | 11:50 |
| kanzure | no that's what klafka is doing | 11:51 |
| yashgaroth | cloud...blogging? | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | audy, hahah <3 | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | yesss the cynics | 11:51 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: so what area /do/ you live in, if not pgh? | 11:53 |
| nmz787 | i assumed you were some college dude slumming it up in Oakland | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | nah im like east of PGH | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | but that could change shortly | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | IDK | 11:54 |
| ParahSailin | audy: pick an industry closest to the counterfeiters | 11:54 |
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| ParahSailin | silicon valley and wall st are the top choices | 11:54 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: like, east pittsbugh, north versailles, forest hills? | 11:55 |
| nmz787 | what neighborhood | 11:55 |
| delinquentme | greensburg =] | 11:55 |
| delinquentme | its close to the westmoreland mall lol | 11:56 |
| * delinquentme feels like such a suburbanite | 11:56 | |
| kanzure | it's called.. west more land? | 11:56 |
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| nmz787 | ahh | 11:57 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah, i figure moreland was west of philly and DC and NYC back in the early days | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | so then you had to have a west-moreland | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | lol | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | its actually a county name too | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | westmoreland county | 11:58 |
| kanzure | westmorelandbetterthanthisshittyland | 11:58 |
| audy | ParahSailin pharma | 11:58 |
| delinquentme | lol | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: I drove past that westmoreland mall a few days ago and was thinking of the origns of the name :P | 12:04 |
| delinquentme | sucks I keep missing you | 12:04 |
| delinquentme | theres a really awesome outdoor air bar here too | 12:04 |
| delinquentme | great place to chill and concept :D | 12:05 |
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| nsh | concept is not a verb | 12:10 |
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| nsh | .wik General Westmoreland | 12:10 |
| hplunny | "William Childs Westmoreland (March 26, 1914 – July 18, 2005) was a United States Army General, who commanded US military operations in the Vietnam War at its peak (1964–68), during the Tet Offensive." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Westmoreland | 12:10 |
| nsh | though the name had vintage before the general | 12:11 |
| audy | I like to concept in the concept den | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | .wik "Westmoreland County is a county located in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. It was founded on February 26, 1773," | 12:14 |
| hplunny | "Westmoreland County is a county located in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmoreland_County,_Pennsylvania | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | wayy before 'nam | 12:14 |
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| nsh | .wik Westmorland cumbria | 13:08 |
| hplunny | "Search for 'Westmorland cumbria' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmorland_cumbria | 13:08 |
| nsh | .wik Westmorland | 13:08 |
| hplunny | "Westmorland ( /ˈwɛstmərlənd/; formerly also spelt Westmoreland[3]|; even older spellings are Westmerland and Westmereland) is an area of North West England and one of the 39 historic counties of England." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmorland | 13:08 |
| nsh | way before 'merka | 13:08 |
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| kanzure | obscurite: have you met nate or carl yet? they should be in your area i think. | 13:34 |
| obscurite | kanzure, I don't believe so | 13:35 |
| kanzure | hrmm https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask-pastebin | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | obscurite, howdy! | 13:43 |
| delinquentme | Pitt? | 13:43 |
| delinquentme | brb! | 13:46 |
| obscurite | delinquentme -- I'm a new york city boy, but work for U.Pitt yeah. | 13:46 |
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| kanzure | oh derr | 14:13 |
| kanzure | nmz787: are you still in pittsburgh? | 14:13 |
| kanzure | you should go find jordan miller (jmil) and obscurite | 14:14 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: no back in NYC | 14:20 |
| kanzure | doh | 14:21 |
| kanzure | nmz787: well have you met perry metzger yet? he was recently porting nanoengineer to osx and he's in nyc | 14:21 |
| kanzure | by recently i mean four days ago ish | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | no | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | is he in here ever? | 14:22 |
| kanzure | he hasn't been in here for a year | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 14:23 |
| kanzure | last was in here july 14th 2011 | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | jmil is at uPenn | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | that's closer to philly | 14:24 |
| nmz787 | about 5 hours or so from pittsburgh | 14:24 |
| kanzure | oops | 14:24 |
| kanzure | okay, then you probably wouldn't have run into him | 14:24 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: if this is right, perry seems to also be in philly, not NYC... as it says he in pursuit of PhD at uPenn | 16:44 |
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| kanzure | oh maybe he has moved | 16:48 |
| kanzure | that is lame. | 16:48 |
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| eudoxia | he was in NYC for HOPE a couple days ago | 16:58 |
| eudoxia | I think | 16:58 |
| kanzure | our distributed stalking skills are rusty | 17:03 |
| eudoxia | I'm working on it | 17:03 |
| eudoxia | I started keeping a stalking/internet-detectiving log | 17:03 |
| kanzure | oh great we can compare notes | 17:05 |
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| delinquentme | how do mailing lists work | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | im getting what I think is a consensus list and I want to start my own topic | 17:10 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: well, there's mailman, pipermail, and some other older things | 17:19 |
| kanzure | but sometimes when people say "mailing list" they just mean "a list of email addresses that i paste into a carbon copy field" | 17:19 |
| kanzure | or they mean "my spam/marketing campaign" | 17:19 |
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| delinquentme | how is it that commercial production of algae in mass is an issue? | 17:27 |
| yashgaroth | in what sense | 17:28 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.openalgae.com/solutions/ | 17:30 |
| delinquentme | it might be that im looking at marketing materials | 17:31 |
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| delinquentme | but carbon negative might be part of that too | 17:31 |
| delinquentme | ( im not making a statement on global warming ) I've just been wandering the internet | 17:31 |
| yashgaroth | it's only carbon-negative until someone combusts the oil they extract | 17:34 |
| delinquentme | this is very true | 17:36 |
| yashgaroth | anyway generally there's a number of issues with algae production but please don't tell me you want to get into algae farming now | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, do you have an academic background? | 17:38 |
| yashgaroth | I went to school yes | 17:38 |
| delinquentme | master? | 17:38 |
| delinquentme | masters*? | 17:38 |
| yashgaroth | no fuck that | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | hmm | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | well you're not totally lost | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | curiosity is a good thing | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | as is breadth and width of knowledge | 17:39 |
| * nsh chuckles | 17:39 | |
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| yashgaroth | pretty sure those mean the same thing | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | ahhh eff | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | fml | 17:40 |
| nsh | seppuku would be appropriate | 17:41 |
| delinquentme | =/ | 17:44 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: generally algae unmodified isn't great for investment/business in today's economy | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: is costs a lot to crack them open (lyse), when they could be continuously (actively) pumping it out | 18:17 |
| kanzure | grrr why is sqlalchemy hosted on svn | 18:17 |
| delinquentme | ah so part of the operation is to get the cell to excrete it instead of sequester it? | 18:18 |
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| delinquentme | SCHMEH im gonna watch some nova | 18:19 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: that is the goal of current research (that I think is interesting)... there are a lot of people working on scaling up grow ponds, and what types of ponds are best for certain strains | 18:22 |
| nmz787 | but i'm less interested in that | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | oh yeah the cool shit is engineering the organism | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | normal engineering we've done :D | 18:24 |
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| kendoka | Amyris and LS9 are biofuel companies to watch for | 18:44 |
| kendoka | modified cyanobacteria can apparently excrete hydrocarbon fuels directly | 18:45 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/22/v-print/4648415/2-uc-davis-neurosurgeons-accused.html | 18:56 |
| delinquentme | neurosurgeons created brain infections in patients with brain tumors | 18:56 |
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| kendoka | beats having mind control implants put in you | 19:07 |
| kendoka | google robert naeslund | 19:07 |
| kendoka | hey kanzure | 19:07 |
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| kendoka | i mean if you've got glioblastoma you're already dead | 19:09 |
| kendoka | usually anyway | 19:10 |
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| kendoka | might as well experiment | 19:10 |
| kanzure | kendoka: hi. | 19:10 |
| kendoka | do you have that nature protocols paper by Tyler et al? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:11 |
| kendoka | is it on your fserve? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Ultrasonic%20neuromodulation%20by%20brain%20stimulation%20with%20transcranial%20ultrasound%20-%20Nature%20Protocols%20-%202011.pdf | 19:12 |
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| kendoka | cool saved me 30 bucks | 19:14 |
| kendoka | haven't heard any updates from his lab since he got that DARPA grant | 19:15 |
| kanzure | kendoka: there are some other papers in that folder | 19:15 |
| kanzure | oh i guess no 2012 papers | 19:15 |
| kendoka | guess there's some strings attached | 19:16 |
| kendoka | Nat'l Security etc | 19:16 |
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| delinquentme | what inputs on a form would have hidden "sid" values | 20:57 |
| delinquentme | anyone know what these are? | 20:58 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: i've used hidden values before to store metadata | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: sometimes it's just the web developer fucking with you. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | just pass the value along with the form. | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | yeah i think thats what it is | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | some kind of verification | 21:09 |
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| delinquentme | nmz787, yeah POS metadata :D | 21:11 |
| delinquentme | at least in this application | 21:11 |
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| delinquentme | and a tfset:240 in a form data? | 21:37 |
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| delinquentme | So if im in chrome and I profile the network traffic on a login | 21:45 |
| delinquentme | and ensure that all the fields which are contained within a form submit are represented in the automated submission | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | it SHOULDDDD work | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | but its nawt | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | hmmm | 21:47 |
| kanzure | cookies | 21:47 |
| kanzure | user agent | 21:48 |
| kanzure | sometimes the order matters. | 21:48 |
| kanzure | content-type is sometimes the form-urlencoded one | 21:48 |
| delinquentme | ohhh | 22:01 |
| delinquentme | soo it looks like the cookies has the SID listed | 22:02 |
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