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| jrayhawk | not sure what papers are being referred to, here, but vitamin d is proooobably the biggest micronutrient deficiency in the united states | 00:17 |
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| jrayhawk | especially since lab ranges are just plain wrong | 00:17 |
| jrayhawk | when i say "biggest" i mean in terms of problems caused | 00:26 |
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| jrayhawk | i supplement with high-dose vitamin d and i am happy to say the only time i've gotten a cold in the past eighteen months was when i crashed my immune system with cortisol and didn't sleep for four days | 00:32 |
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| nmz7871 | hmm, how do you know you're deficient? | 00:38 |
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| nmz7871 | kanzure: you up? | 02:24 |
| nmz7871 | kanzure: on cmd line this works echo \"n\" | ffmpeg -i 'videoFile' 'videoFile.mp3' | 02:28 |
| nmz7871 | but in a script it just echoes the n | ffmpeg... | 02:29 |
| nmz7871 | kanzure: where the script line is cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "echo \"n\" | ffmpeg -i '%f' '%f.mp3'" | 02:29 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: you wanted echo -e "\n" | 05:56 |
| kanzure | http://geneticlab.h19.ru/pribor/pcramp.php | 05:58 |
| kanzure | (another pcr device) | 05:58 |
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| kanzure | the hokuto no ken game looks okay.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roCM8tX7yHU | 06:49 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: you have access to this? http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4473031&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031 | 07:39 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: can you give me the non-login url | 07:43 |
| kanzure | i don't feel like urldecoding that | 07:43 |
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| ParahSailin | i dont understand | 07:45 |
| kanzure | if i have access, loading the login page isn't going to help -_- | 07:46 |
| kanzure | tp=&arnumber=4473031&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031 | 07:46 |
| kanzure | that has a uri-encoded url in it | 07:46 |
| kanzure | to the actual page | 07:46 |
| kanzure | and i'm saying i'm too lazy to properize it | 07:46 |
| kanzure | the real url that you want to ask me about is http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=4473031 see? | 07:47 |
| ParahSailin | is there an easier way than to look up the ascii char table? | 07:49 |
| kanzure | you can google around for "uri decode" | 07:50 |
| kanzure | usually there's a random stupid form | 07:50 |
| kanzure | or you can browse to javascript:alert(uriDecode("http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031")) i think | 07:51 |
| kanzure | oops i mean decodeURI | 07:51 |
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| ybit | anyone of you recall the site for automated mario touraments? | 07:55 |
| kanzure | ybit: tas? | 07:55 |
| ybit | link? | 07:55 |
| ybit | ycombinator has temporarily disallowed access to old articles and there doesn't seem to be an archive of ycomb anywhere | 07:56 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Diffie-Hellman%20technique%20-%20extended%20to%20multiple%20two-party%20keys%20and%20one%20multi-party%20key.pdf | 07:56 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://tasvideos.org/ ? | 07:56 |
| ParahSailin | thanks | 07:56 |
| ybit | nope | 07:57 |
| ybit | it's an actual tournament between mario bots | 07:57 |
| ybit | found it | 07:57 |
| ybit | http://www.marioai.org/ | 07:57 |
| kanzure | brownies: http://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/details/phonegap/phonegap | 08:01 |
| kanzure | i think the appbrain guys are on HN | 08:02 |
| kanzure | they seem to be doing library analysis on .apk files | 08:02 |
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| delinquentme | "<3"*88 | 09:17 |
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| kanzure | ehh.. "The new National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences at the National Institutes of Health will oversee $70 million in grants over five years to help develop tissue-chip culture systems for drug screening" | 11:36 |
| AdrianG | wtf | 11:39 |
| AdrianG | tissue chip? | 11:39 |
| AdrianG | implantable? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | no | 11:41 |
| AdrianG | wats a tissue chip | 11:41 |
| kanzure | well, you implant tissue into it.. | 11:41 |
| kanzure | presumably to test shit on it | 11:42 |
| AdrianG | oic | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/ | 12:15 |
| kanzure | "To SPEED UP your Firefox, when a tab is added to TMT, it is unloaded from browser and its tab state & history are stored in TMT. When you click on a tab, the tab is opened again from disk cache, with tab state & history restored if available." | 12:16 |
| superkuh | Or "Tab Vault" in Opera. | 12:16 |
| kanzure | how does it work in opera? | 12:16 |
| superkuh | I don't know the details. | 12:16 |
| kanzure | "Click Save Tab to store the current tab in the vault. Click on a saved tab to open it in a new tab, or click the X on the right to send it to Tab Vault's trash. Ctrl + click on a tab to open it in the background or drag the tab onto the web page to open it in the current page." | 12:18 |
| kanzure | http://my.opera.com/spadija/blog/tab-vault | 12:18 |
| kanzure | eww clicking :( | 12:18 |
| kanzure | it would be nice if it would automatically move tabs into bookmarks, and then de-cache whenever i poke at them | 12:19 |
| kanzure | i should make an update to it and call it notenoughtabs | 12:20 |
| kanzure | fuck "too many" tabs. | 12:20 |
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| foucist | i want to get rid of both bookmarks & also tabs to some extent.. it would make more sense to have tabs unloaded from memory over time but the content & title remains searchable | 12:57 |
| foucist | a version of lifelogging, except based on your browsing | 12:57 |
| foucist | so you can grep your way to that page you saw a year ago with that quote | 12:57 |
| foucist | or talking about that fancy gizmo that you can't recall the name of, but you recall the function | 12:58 |
| foucist | it would also help to be able to easily wean out pages you definitely don't want to keep around | 13:00 |
| foucist | probably build a personalized blacklist | 13:01 |
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| brownies | kanzure: intriguing | 13:23 |
| brownies | foucist: pinboard.in | 13:23 |
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| nmz787_ | Kanzure is there a tab unloader/archiver for chrome? | 13:35 |
| nmz787_ | I like the idea of unloadin tabs from mem and archiving them to retrieve later, but dont use firefox or opera much these days | 13:36 |
| kanzure | brownies: pinboard is hardly the same thing as tabs | 13:46 |
| brownies | kanzure: well he wants to grep his bookmarks | 13:47 |
| brownies | kanzure: as for tabs, yeah, i don't know. | 13:47 |
| kanzure | for a while i was storing bookmarks as flatfiles but it just takes too much effort | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i think kliiptttt is on the right track with being able to follow collections of links, and the original author is able to update the collection on a regular basis | 13:49 |
| kanzure | "The connectome of a decision-making neural network." | 13:51 |
| kanzure | "The Einstein scientists solved the structure of the male worm's neural mating circuits by developing software that they used to analyze serial electron micrographs that other scientists had taken of the region." | 13:51 |
| brownies | that's interesting, but they have terrible spelling, i'm not signing up to a service just for that, and i'm pretty sure pinboard lets you follow someone's RSS feed of bookmarks anyway | 13:51 |
| kanzure | "They found that male mating requires 144 neurons – nearly half the worm's total number – and their paper describes the connections between those 144 neurons and 64 muscles involving some 8,000 synapses." | 13:51 |
| kanzure | "We can see that the structure of this network has spatial characteristics that help explain how it exerts neural control over the multi-step decision-making process involved in mating." | 13:51 |
| kanzure | " In addition to determining how the neurons and muscles are connected, Dr. Emmons and his colleagues for the first time accurately measured the weights of those connections, i.e., an estimate of the strength with which one neuron or muscle communicates with another." | 13:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6093/437.abstract | 13:52 |
| kanzure | "The synaptic connections, both chemical and gap junctional, form a neural network with four striking features: multiple, parallel, short synaptic pathways directly connecting sensory neurons to end organs; recurrent and reciprocal connectivity among sensory neurons; modular substructure; and interneurons acting in feedforward loops." | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | paper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/The%20connectome%20of%20a%20decision-making%20neural%20network%20in%20C.%20elegans%20reconstructed%20from%20serial%20electron%20micrograph%20sections%20-%202012.pdf | 13:55 |
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| delinquentme | hey anyone in here who does contract work | 14:44 |
| delinquentme | what do you bill at | 14:44 |
| kanzure | i am billing $150-$175/hour these days. | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i think jrayhawk does $60/hour, and Mokbortolan_ does $70something/hour | 14:48 |
| kanzure | brownies does at least $150/hour, but he probably doesn't want to do anything | 14:48 |
| delinquentme | any of these for rails work? | 14:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:50 |
| delinquentme | what separates out your 150 from the 175 | 14:51 |
| kanzure | sometimes it's whether or not i want to do the work | 14:52 |
| delinquentme | ALSO Im about to sign a contract and they've offered to let me include any legal for protections on my robots and hardware | 14:52 |
| delinquentme | so I'm kind of interested to know if theres a simple way I can do that | 14:53 |
| kanzure | are you building them robots? | 14:53 |
| delinquentme | nah | 14:53 |
| kanzure | then why would the contract say anything about robtos? | 14:53 |
| delinquentme | but I am going software and UI work for both | 14:53 |
| delinquentme | this is true. | 14:53 |
| kanzure | a good way to do that is to have your lawyer look over it. | 14:55 |
| kanzure | in fact, it's the only way. | 14:55 |
| brownies | what do you mean, "your" robots and hardware? | 14:55 |
| brownies | i adjust my rate depending on the client's desperation and how much i want to do the work | 14:55 |
| kanzure | brownies: my litmus test is this: if i'm CSS tweaking for ie5 for hours- like 10 hours in a row- am i going to feel like murdering people at $X/hour? if yes, then increase the rate. | 14:56 |
| brownies | yeah, it comes down to how shitty the work is and how much other interesting work i already have going | 14:56 |
| kanzure | even at $150/hour it's super disappointing | 14:57 |
| kanzure | like, okay, i've made this amazing layout in 10 hours | 14:57 |
| brownies | it always is | 14:57 |
| kanzure | and i just killed a part of my brain | 14:57 |
| delinquentme | brownies, so kanzure made a solid point that I'm not going to be making anything electrical or mechanical for them | 14:57 |
| kanzure | and all i get is a shitty $1,500? | 14:57 |
| delinquentme | as its purely a software gig | 14:57 |
| brownies | "i had to deal with your idiotic requirements for THAT long, and that's all the money you're giving me?" | 14:57 |
| brownies | delinquentme: that doesn't answer my question... | 14:57 |
| delinquentme | I guess I need more specifics? | 14:58 |
| brownies | if it's IP-related, i feel like "ask a lawyer" is going to be where we end up anyway. | 14:58 |
| kanzure | you can possibly paste the terms | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | fack | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | yeah i dont have them yet | 14:58 |
| kanzure | and we can laugh at you and tell you why it sucks and why you should get a lawyer. | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | and they want me working asap | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | lol | 14:58 |
| brownies | rofl | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | are they any lawyers who will bill over a 3 month period? | 14:58 |
| brownies | never start work before signing | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | ok | 14:59 |
| kanzure | and even once you sign, it's ok to not work immediately -_- | 14:59 |
| delinquentme | ... | 14:59 |
| delinquentme | what should I be doing after its signed? | 14:59 |
| kanzure | shower, or something | 14:59 |
| delinquentme | Also they've given me the option to do this per project or hourly | 14:59 |
| brownies | waiting for the deposit to come in | 14:59 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 14:59 |
| kanzure | brownies: yep | 14:59 |
| delinquentme | the deposit? | 15:00 |
| delinquentme | on you starting work? | 15:00 |
| kanzure | oh dear | 15:00 |
| delinquentme | your "signing bonus"? | 15:00 |
| kanzure | is this a w2 or a contracting gig? | 15:00 |
| brownies | you may have already lost the opportunity to demand such things by projecting your noobness | 15:00 |
| delinquentme | So its this academic gig with 3/4ths year working and 1/4ths for "research" | 15:01 |
| kanzure | why is this a contract? | 15:01 |
| brownies | but in general the "right" way to do things is hourly with a specified rate $Y, a specified max # of hours you're willing to commit, and a starting deposit of $X against which you'll bill the first X/Y hours | 15:01 |
| brownies | there was a 4th thing but i'm blanking on it atm... you'll sort it out. hopefully. | 15:01 |
| delinquentme | but they've got a startup whos needing the work | 15:01 |
| brownies | oh, payment terms, duh. | 15:02 |
| delinquentme | which is using the universitys IP | 15:02 |
| kanzure | honestly this sounds more like employment to me | 15:02 |
| brownies | whom is your contract with? | 15:02 |
| brownies | yeah, true. | 15:02 |
| delinquentme | so " Global Change Solutions " | 15:02 |
| kanzure | if it's a university then i would talk with their employment office | 15:02 |
| delinquentme | is the company | 15:02 |
| brownies | rofl | 15:02 |
| delinquentme | and University of Urbana Champagne is the university | 15:03 |
| kanzure | "global change solutions" has scam written all over it | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | so the head researcher has a startup for crop modeling | 15:03 |
| brownies | well, UI-UC is a fine place, why don't you go talk to some wise people over there | 15:03 |
| brownies | he's a professor there? | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | hes Evan H. DeLucia | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | G. William Arends Professor of Integrative Biology | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | Director, School of Integrative Biology | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | 15:03 |
| delinquentme | is the dude | 15:03 |
| brownies | heh, ok | 15:04 |
| kanzure | those titles are 100% meaningless to you btw | 15:04 |
| brownies | so, i am not a lawyer, etc | 15:04 |
| brownies | but it's most likely the case that him using the university's IP is not something that affects your contract | 15:04 |
| delinquentme | go ahead | 15:04 |
| delinquentme | so what I was told was that the university has a 60k cap on the position | 15:05 |
| brownies | you're signing with his corporation, which has a pile of IP that they've negotiated rights to use -- somehow -- and you'll be working with that. | 15:05 |
| kanzure | 60k cap on a rails job? | 15:05 |
| delinquentme | so he wants to pay me from the company $$ to make up the difference | 15:05 |
| brownies | good god man | 15:06 |
| delinquentme | thick legal? | 15:06 |
| brownies | identify one person (or entity) who is going to pay you | 15:06 |
| brownies | if they get that money from the university, or from divine intervention, or from a dancing monkey on the side of the street, it doesn't matter | 15:06 |
| delinquentme | part is university | 15:07 |
| delinquentme | part is private BP money | 15:07 |
| kanzure | there's absolutely no way you can pull this off without a lawyer | 15:07 |
| brownies | what part of "one" suggested to you there should be two -_- | 15:08 |
| brownies | i guess you could make it work with two, given that the university is unlikely to actually stiff you | 15:08 |
| delinquentme | do univs have these steadfast rules? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | but then there's also tax implications | 15:09 |
| delinquentme | <brownies> what part of "one" suggested to you there should be two -_- << i dont follow? | 15:09 |
| delinquentme | two payment sources? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | i guess you might be a contractor for the university too, but i doubt it | 15:09 |
| kanzure | 15:06 < brownies> identify one person (or entity) who is going to pay you | 15:10 |
| brownies | this is just overly complicated, and, until you have a contract in front of you, we're all just wildly hypothesizing about too many variables | 15:10 |
| brownies | delinquentme: why don't you check back once they've actually given you a contract to sign | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | huh... "That's an oversimplification of Google's approach to mass creation of pages vis-a-vis organic SEO. Google will let (many) pages that would never appear in the main results appear in AdWords ads as long as one's credit card doesn't get declined. (There are things Google disapproves of in landing pages, but "having lots of landing pages" is not one of them.)" | 15:19 |
| kanzure | well that's interesting. i hadn't thought about that. | 15:19 |
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| delinquentme | brownies, do you strictly do contract work? | 15:40 |
| delinquentme | or are you w2 elsewhere | 15:40 |
| kanzure | brownies runs a highly profitable startup in SF that's raised over $100 million | 15:49 |
| jrayhawk | holy moses | 16:06 |
| delinquentme | whats the startup? | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | WEBPAGE | 16:10 |
| kanzure | ... in his head. | 16:10 |
| kanzure | oh fuck i think i just broke my foot tripping over something while i was laughing maniacally | 16:11 |
| kanzure | it's not blue so i think i'm fine. | 16:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | delinquentme: I'm a windows admin | 16:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I do 40hr/wk, 3-12mo contracts | 16:13 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, thats mean. | 16:15 |
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| brownies | he's lying | 17:09 |
| brownies | anyway, contract work + various projects of my own | 17:10 |
| kanzure | i said "in his head" | 17:10 |
| kanzure | :P | 17:10 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 17:11 |
| * AlonzoTG has been Excommunicated from the local transhumanist/singularitarian meetup called "Advanced Technology Network" But I'm 99.3% certain that I've determined the top-secret location of the next meeting and is now trying to decide whether to crash the party. | 17:12 | |
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| delinquentme | yu banned?? | 17:19 |
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| kanzure | because he thinks they are all out to murder him. | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | y | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | cuz I got into an e-mail argument with the founder who hasn't shown up for any meetings in months...) | 17:20 |
| AlonzoTG | I had previously gone off on another member's meeting proposal for being lame. | 17:21 |
| delinquentme | http://www.gizmag.com/antimatter-starship/23345/ | 17:21 |
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| delinquentme | “Schwinger pair production." | 17:21 |
| * AlonzoTG should do the acceleration calculations: how much acceleration would you get for putting 4 * 10^7 horsepower behind a 5 * 10^5 metric ton starship... | 17:23 | |
| yashgaroth | space horses or terrestrial? | 17:24 |
| AlonzoTG | .... | 17:24 |
| AlonzoTG | Here's a trick question: what is the most potent weapon on the starship Enterprise? | 17:25 |
| kanzure | human brains? | 17:26 |
| yashgaroth | space horses | 17:26 |
| AlonzoTG | The engines. | 17:27 |
| AlonzoTG | specifically the space-time warp. | 17:27 |
| AlonzoTG | If you think about it, there's very little you couldn't do with the ability to bend space-time. | 17:27 |
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| AlonzoTG | Star trek is about avoiding the use of awesome destructive power, | 17:31 |
| AlonzoTG | But a warp-capable starship has about half a dozen different ways it can wipe your pathetic little planet off the map. | 17:31 |
| strangewarp | It's fictional though, so it can only destroy fictional planets, which means it's only as powerful as me | 17:36 |
| delinquentme | strangewarp, yess but how powerful is your imaginashin | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | oh man i've been staring for a looonggg ass time | 17:38 |
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| ParahSailin__ | the deflector shield | 18:14 |
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| kanzure | tyler emerson is spamming everyone :( | 18:55 |
| nmz787_ | who? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | the guy who stole money from siai | 18:58 |
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| nmz787_ | kanzure: you around? | 19:52 |
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| kanzure | sorta | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | adding echo -e didnt help | 19:52 |
| klafka1 | hey guys | 19:52 |
| klafka1 | http://discoproject.org/ | 19:52 |
| klafka1 | ever hear of this? | 19:52 |
| kanzure | echo -e "\n" | 19:52 |
| klafka1 | this is fucking rad | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | exec still isn't interpreting the | | 19:52 |
| kanzure | paste it | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "echo -e \"n\" | avconv -i %f %f.mp3" # --exec "rm -f '%f'" | 19:53 |
| kanzure | no | 19:55 |
| kanzure | -e \"\\n\" | 19:55 |
| nmz787 | i'm not trying to send a newline | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | just the character n | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | because avconv doesn't have a -n option for don't overwrite (though -y for always overwrite exists) | 19:58 |
| jrayhawk | --exec probably doesn't use a subshell | 19:59 |
| jrayhawk | Unfortunately you'll probably need to --exec 'bash -c "blah blah blah"' | 20:00 |
| jrayhawk | You can probably also echo -n | cclive --exec avconv | 20:00 |
| jrayhawk | since I don't think cclive has any reason to open stdin. | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | how can I store the command string as a variable, to pass to sh -c? | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | cmd1="echo -e \"n\" | avconv -i $0 $0.mp3" | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | then something like cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "sh -c $cmd1 %f" | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk | ugh, that involves working out bashes horrible escaping rules | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk | s/bashes/bash's | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk | just a second, i will come up with something definitive | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | i can try echo n | cclive | 20:03 |
| nmz787 | yeah that worked | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | it would be nice to know the bash escaping stuff though | 20:05 |
| jrayhawk | also 'avconv < /dev/null' has the same effect as 'echo n | avconv' | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | that was my natural inclination and I banged my head for a while | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | :P | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | how does that have the same effect? | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | n vs nothing being streamed? | 20:06 |
| jrayhawk | n is the default behavior, so anything will work that way | 20:06 |
| jrayhawk | 'echo | avconv' also works | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | hmm, well I can now download and convert youtube to mp3 from a GET request | 20:07 |
| nmz787 | pretty sweet | 20:07 |
| nmz787 | and not worry about overwriting if I somehow request multiple times (or some bot finds the URL and tries spamming it :P) | 20:08 |
| jrayhawk | and no, do not try to learn bash's terrible escaping rules for variables | 20:08 |
| jrayhawk | that way madness lies | 20:08 |
| nmz787 | hah | 20:08 |
| kanzure | n | 20:11 |
| kanzure | nnn | 20:11 |
| jrayhawk | are you declaring victory over your keyboard | 20:11 |
| kanzure | nnnnnnnjm hb m' | 20:12 |
| kanzure | ughhh | 20:12 |
| jrayhawk | I think youtube in particular is using aac for everything, so if you want to avoid data loss, you should probably use avconv -acodec copy -i %f %f.aac | 20:22 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 20:22 |
| nmz787 | yeah some of the mp3s are bigger than the videos | 20:23 |
| nmz787 | anyway to find a duplicate file of this? http://rapidshare.com/files/7550012/Snagglepuss.zip | 20:36 |
| nmz787 | from this link originally http://dartmansworldofwonder.blogspot.com/2006/07/heavans-to-emerald-city-wizards-and.html | 20:37 |
| yashgaroth | what the | 20:38 |
| kanzure | am i deranged enough to drive 40 miles to get a keyboard | 20:40 |
| kanzure | oh maybe i can repurpose a sucky key instead | 20:40 |
| nmz787 | 40 miles? | 20:41 |
| nmz787 | what kind of keyboard? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i had it delivered | 20:41 |
| kanzure | just.. not to my address | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i wonder how this adhesive broke | 20:51 |
| kanzure | does this keyboard only have a 11 million character warranty? | 20:51 |
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| kanzure | oops i mean words | 20:52 |
| kanzure | (based on an estimate of 10k words/day average) | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | i... uh... think you might be an outlier in this regard | 20:52 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i can con them into giving me a 100M word warranty | 20:53 |
| kanzure | i want a manufacturer who stress tests their keyboards, with kinetic typing simulations like they do with engines | 20:55 |
| kanzure | unfortunately, keyboards don't kill people and thus there is less incentive to do this testing | 20:56 |
| jrayhawk | That's actually pretty standard testing fare for high-end products. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i want my keyboard to take a bullet and keep on ticking | 20:57 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: can you show me video evidence of this for a keyboard | 20:59 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, it's pretty standard testing fare for the manufacturing techniques and mechanisms behind high-end products | 21:00 |
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| jrayhawk | nokia, impressively, builds testing jigs for all their finished products | 21:01 |
| kanzure | hmm i can't seem to find average numbers for keyboard life expectancy or typage | 21:01 |
| kanzure | "Mechanical keyboards have 20 to 50 million keystroke life span to where Rubber dome and Scissor Switch only have 1 to 20 million keystroke" | 21:02 |
| kanzure | this is from a website called "facepunch" so it must be true. | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1054092 | 21:03 |
| kanzure | 50 million keystrokes is only 10 million words, or about 2.7 years assuming 10k words/day | 21:04 |
| kanzure | "A good keyboard should last for 6 months assuming a person has a speed of 120 wpm and usually types on the average of 10 hours daily" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | err at that rate a 50M keystroke keyboard would be done with in 138 days :/ | 21:06 |
| kanzure | yeah.. so 6 months is not OK | 21:06 |
| klafka1 | isn't that assuming a consistent 120wpm speed | 21:12 |
| klafka1 | for 10hrs straight | 21:12 |
| kanzure | a little unrealistic :) | 21:13 |
| kanzure | but gamers might have a higher keystroke rate (though i don't play a lot of games) | 21:14 |
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| yashgaroth | 300 keystrokes/minute for the pros | 21:15 |
| yashgaroth | well I guess that includes mouseclicks as well | 21:15 |
| ParahSailin__ | i've killed like 3 model m keyboards | 21:16 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin__: were you trying to? | 21:21 |
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| ParahSailin__ | im clumsy with water | 21:21 |
| nmz787 | when i terminate an SSH connection and the terminal window hangs and ctrl-c or d or z don't do anything, what can I do? kill ssh from another terminal? | 21:27 |
| kanzure | does anyone have respectable laptop suggestions? | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | yeah killall did it | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | I like this lenovo X series | 21:27 |
| kanzure | i'd like something with an i7, allowing at least 8 GB of RAM, and a full keyboard, and a 17 inch screen | 21:28 |
| kanzure | none of that sissy 13 inch bullshit | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | the harddrive protection is ported to work with linux | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | i'd scan slickdeals.net for at least 2-3 weeks | 21:28 |
| kanzure | i don't need a deal, i need a good laptop | 21:28 |
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| nmz787 | yeah, right, it's not a good deal if it's not a good laptop at a good price | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | or it's not a 'slick' deal, rather | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | just saying to watch the market for what the sweet price point is | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | but yeah the lenovo thinkpad's seem pretty well constructed | 21:30 |
| nmz787 | I got mine from http://outlet.lenovo.com | 21:32 |
| kanzure | so the lenovo thinkpads seem to be expandable only up to 8 GB RAM | 21:34 |
| kanzure | http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=445&Code=42824EU | 21:34 |
| yashgaroth | surely you can pick up 2x8gb sticks aftermarket | 21:36 |
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| kanzure | well if the laptop has physical slots for it sure | 21:36 |
| yashgaroth | well it comes with 2x4gb, and amazon has 2x8gbs for sale | 21:37 |
| yashgaroth | I mean you're popping out the original ones | 21:37 |
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| nmz787 | processor looks decent, quad core, up to 16gb ram http://ark.intel.com/products/52219 | 21:45 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz787: man ssh and search for ESCAPE CHARACTERS | 21:46 |
| jrayhawk | sorry i am not trying to yell that is just the literal string to search for | 21:46 |
| jrayhawk | i am not angry do not cry :( | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | :) | 21:47 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: lots of choices from here http://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?forumchoice%5B%5D=9&q=laptop+17%22&showposts=0&archive=0&firstonly=1 | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | kanzure add i7 to that search | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | that i7-2670qm can take up to 32GB RAM | 21:59 |
| kanzure | how about something with i7-3770s by default | 21:59 |
| jrayhawk | that's... not for laptops | 22:00 |
| kanzure | what :( | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: this looks decent http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/HP-ENVY-17-3077nr/productID.243730100/vip.true?siteID=aB8BeTfRgb8-r6SqAoPPzOoa.iCf8_NJ&ClickID=dw0cy20hksrh0hbtb2tm2hyryzwyrmsr0hhx | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | the 22nm i7-3610qm | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | WiDi? | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | " Intel Wireless Display (WiDi) technology" | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | "ENVY 17’s battery life of nearly seven hours.*" | 22:02 |
| kanzure | man why do all these sites sucks | 22:02 |
| kanzure | *suck | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | dude if I purchase it for you I can get the student's free xbox | 22:03 |
| kanzure | why are you still a student anyway | 22:03 |
| jrayhawk | dell and hp also have outlet stores | 22:03 |
| kanzure | blah | 22:03 |
| kanzure | what's a good lenovo w700 model number | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | yeah I'm a horrible student | 22:04 |
| jrayhawk | the w701 is the last model; the w701ds is the dual-screen version of that | 22:04 |
| kanzure | ebay says $1800 for a w701 | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | specs of this ENVY are pretty decent overall http://shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/A6U45AV?HP-ENVY-17t-3200-Notebook-PC&aoid=35252 | 22:05 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, it's also the same hardware generation as your current laptop. | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: which, the w701 or the envy? | 22:05 |
| jrayhawk | The w701 | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | the envy has latest gen i7 | 22:06 |
| kanzure | my current laptop is going for $400 on ebay -_- | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 22:06 |
| kanzure | guess i might have to live with a smaller screen. very disappointing. | 22:07 |
| kanzure | that envy seems to be cross-marketed with microsoft and that does't signal much to me. | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | why do you care about its marketing? | 22:09 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: in general if i avoid things that advertise maybe i will find something legitimately good | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | so for anyone interested in how the money trickles down http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/399541_339613026123500_495455162_n.jpg | 22:11 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: stop reading reddit | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | obviously microsoft is pushing the $15 windows 8 upgrade, but the hardware seems pretty strong | 22:11 |
| kanzure | and facebook | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | that just plain doesn't describe any sane/smart person's world delinquentme | 22:12 |
| nmz787 | the only people I think extort money are parking authority and DMV | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | +] | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | =] | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | exactly | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | make it a systemic issue | 22:13 |
| ParahSailin__ | in chicago the parking authority is morgan stanley | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | give it a face and a name and people revolt against it | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | quiet subversion | 22:13 |
| kanzure | so these sites really really suck | 22:13 |
| ParahSailin__ | what sites? | 22:14 |
| kanzure | am i really expected to manually search for linux compatability for each of these components on 20+ models | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | but what if the people who are entranced in that way are life are just stupid by nature? more apt to be entranced? | 22:14 |
| kanzure | you guys tolerate this?? | 22:14 |
| jrayhawk | http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&brandid=2801&fid=8542 | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i think you should assume linux compatibility | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, theres varying levels of stupidity | 22:14 |
| kanzure | nmz787: hahah | 22:14 |
| ParahSailin__ | why not go mac | 22:15 |
| kanzure | and then if i eliminate a model because of a bad feature, and then i later realize that it's the only option that leads me to something usable even if i eliminated it for some other component, i have to mentally backtrack through a 5-depth 20-branching tree search, fuckthis | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | AMD64 is almost totally in step with Intel's 64 bit instruction set | 22:15 |
| ParahSailin__ | you mean intel is almost totally in step with amd64? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | right now i'm looking at two R9HHXRB-4270CTOs one is $2400 and the other is $1800. but i can't figure out why. | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | I liked the Sony Z series, but I think they changed that up a bit | 22:16 |
| jrayhawk | and HP is having a sale on elitebooks, even on the outlet | 22:17 |
| kanzure | wimax 6520 linux compatability "Intel has a strange way of 'supporting' this card. It's recognised by the kernel module but the microcode that makes the card work hasn't been released yet. They say sometime in third quarter." | 22:19 |
| kanzure | akdaskfasdasdaa | 22:19 |
| kanzure | oh i guess that was 2010 | 22:19 |
| kanzure | iwlwifi-6050-4.ucode | 22:19 |
| ParahSailin__ | wifi is always shitty on laptops when you install linux on them | 22:19 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin__: i thought the idea was to search in advance | 22:19 |
| ParahSailin__ | i can't even connect to a starbucks wifi in public on mine | 22:20 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin__: maybe you bought a shitty laptop | 22:20 |
| ParahSailin__ | i guess you want ath9k chipset | 22:20 |
| ParahSailin__ | it was a pretty good lenovo a couple years ago | 22:20 |
| kanzure | which chipset has the best compatability? | 22:21 |
| ParahSailin__ | ath9k | 22:21 |
| kanzure | all the madwifi drivers have really sucked for me. | 22:21 |
| ParahSailin__ | well atheros is the _best_ supported on linux. it's all even suckier from there | 22:22 |
| kanzure | like when i type "ifconfig wlan8 set blah" it wont say "FEATURE NOT SUPPORTED" ? | 22:22 |
| ParahSailin__ | the windows or mac drivers for all chipsets are infinitely better | 22:23 |
| ParahSailin__ | its just something you live with | 22:23 |
| kanzure | maybe if you're helpless | 22:23 |
| ParahSailin__ | well if i had an asic foundry, i could help it maybe | 22:24 |
| ParahSailin__ | 802.11 is so locked down, licensed, permitted, regulated | 22:25 |
| ParahSailin__ | there arent really any good answers | 22:26 |
| ParahSailin__ | go with atheros if available | 22:26 |
| kanzure | what was that windows-driver wrapper? | 22:26 |
| ParahSailin__ | they actually make an effort, because they like to supply chips to all the linux wifi routers | 22:26 |
| kanzure | ndiswrapper? | 22:27 |
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| nmz787 | i've never had to use madwifi | 22:29 |
| ParahSailin__ | any wifi you get will be supported decently enough to catch your router's signal from your house | 22:30 |
| kanzure | i think i used madwifi on a gateway laptop | 22:30 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: why did you select M6600? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | 128 MB graphics card? what is this, 1999? | 22:33 |
| ParahSailin__ | http://www.rfaxis.com/our_products/rfx2402C.php might be a good chipset in the future | 22:34 |
| ParahSailin__ | for open hardware 802.11 | 22:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, most rails idomatic way to only allow a single comment on a video per user? | 22:37 |
| delinquentme | search the comments DB for a row with the users ID and prevent them from making another if that row exists? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: acts_as_commentable | 22:38 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/elight/acts_as_commentable_with_threading | 22:38 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/bkuhlmann/commenter | 22:39 |
| delinquentme | specifically the part where they're restricted to a single comment? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | yeah you will have to configure that. | 22:40 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what is this? https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp7 | 22:42 |
| jrayhawk | where are you seeing a 128MB graphics card? | 22:49 |
| jrayhawk | looks like a rebranded acer, but i am too lazy to check | 22:50 |
| kanzure | yeah i can't tell either. | 22:51 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: on the m6600 page. | 22:51 |
| kanzure | oh i guess only the search options are blacked out | 22:52 |
| jrayhawk | you wanted a full keyboard | 22:54 |
| jrayhawk | re: why | 22:54 |
| kanzure | ah. | 22:54 |
| delinquentme | ERMERGERD | 22:55 |
| delinquentme | LARPtarp | 22:55 |
| jrayhawk | http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hpremarketing/daily.asp?jumpid=in_r2910_bizoutlet/remarketing/smbclearance&a=a quite a few cheap 8760w options | 22:58 |
| jrayhawk | the 8760w has an optional 1920x1200 IPS screen | 22:59 |
| kanzure | i'm willing to pay to get what i want.. it just seems that everyone has axed the things that i want :P | 23:00 |
| * kanzure looks | 23:00 | |
| kanzure | that link doesn't seem to go anywhere in particular | 23:00 |
| kanzure | oh i see. | 23:00 |
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| jrayhawk | works fine in links, i blame your browser | 23:01 |
| kanzure | no it just wasn't obvious that their menus were actually relevant | 23:01 |
| kanzure | it looked like standard enterprise-gook that you learn to visually avoid | 23:01 |
| jrayhawk | not sure what you're talking about; the page is one giant table | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no, i guess it's a sequence of tables | 23:02 |
| kanzure | there are these stupid plus and minus signs that you have to click | 23:02 |
| kanzure | with "Show all" and "hide all" | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | ha ha you and your silly javascript | 23:02 |
| kanzure | it's true :( | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | what would pasky think | 23:03 |
| kanzure | so why do you mention 8760w out of all those other things? | 23:03 |
| jrayhawk | full keyboard, kickass screen | 23:03 |
| kanzure | okie dokie | 23:03 |
| jrayhawk | lots of drive bays, lots of memory slots | 23:03 |
| kanzure | sturdy? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | hmmm http://tekarazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/hp-elitebook-8760w-11.jpg | 23:04 |
| jrayhawk | i should certainly hope so; this is the top of their range | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | is there somewhere I can buy a temp debit card online that's reliable? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | nmz787: paypal? | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | they don't like me | 23:05 |
| kanzure | look up "virtual prepraid debit card" | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | thing is, who's reliable | 23:05 |
| jrayhawk | though i guess the keyboards on both the 8760w and the m6600 have disgustingly flat keys | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | basically i have no way of buying this for my mom :/ http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-UNIVERSAL-TV-DIGITAL-CONVERTER-BOX-REMOTE-CONTROL-/270552161637#payId | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | so friggin stupid | 23:07 |
| kanzure | haha $3,000 HP 8760w W7P-64 i7 2820QM 2.3GHz 320GB 32GB(4DM) DVDRW 17.3FHD WLAN BT Quadro 5010M Cam Rmkt NB PC | 23:08 |
| nmz787 | oh, actually amazon has it | 23:08 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm willing to buy new keyboards if i have to | 23:08 |
| kanzure | but usually each laptop has its own stupid shape that the keyboard has to be made to fit :( | 23:09 |
| jrayhawk | oh, the m6600 doesn't have a trackpoint | 23:11 |
| jrayhawk | WORTHLESS! | 23:11 |
| kanzure | why do all those lenovos have "fingerprint" scanners? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | doesn't that just encourage assholes to cutoff my fingers? | 23:12 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, and they're typically pretty easy to fool with printouts and whatnot. | 23:12 |
| jrayhawk | It's a neat whizbang concept, but biometrics never really work out in reality. | 23:13 |
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| kanzure | hrmm maybe i should try a "noppoo choc mini" | 23:17 |
| jrayhawk | huh, that looks nice | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZ1esoS6NY | 23:19 |
| kanzure | oh this is more technical i guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDUyNY4CAGk | 23:20 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.gscreenlaptop.com/ | 23:21 |
| kanzure | hah. | 23:23 |
| jrayhawk | i like how none of their reviews are actually reviews | 23:28 |
| kanzure | i should call my typing style "tactical" instead of tactile. | 23:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/A6X83UA?HP-Pavilion-dm4-3170se-Beats-Edition-Entertainment-Notebook-PC | 23:35 |
| kanzure | keyboard looks terrible. | 23:35 |
| jrayhawk | also no trackpoint | 23:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: why the lenovo w series over the t series? | 23:44 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: there should be a company that custom-fits keyboards to a laptop. | 23:47 |
| jrayhawk | yeah, i actually know someone who was planning on buying an x1 carbon right up until he saw the keyboard | 23:49 |
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| kanzure | blahh i'm going to be so pissed if i have to end up making keyboards not suck | 23:49 |
| kanzure | external mechanical keyboards are nice, but that hasn't changed or improved in forever | 23:49 |
| jrayhawk | the lenovo w520 is slightly better than the t520 in a lot of little ways. USB 3, room for extra ram, nicer graphics chipsets, etc. | 23:53 |
| jrayhawk | it's not really a particularly compelling set of differences unless you reaaaaaly want a quadro or usb 3 | 23:53 |
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| kanzure | quadro? | 23:54 |
| jrayhawk | nVidia's "professional" chipset. Has some features unlocked for cad and computation that the "consumer" chipsets don't. | 23:55 |
| kanzure | uhuh. | 23:55 |
| jrayhawk | If you're living in linux-land the whole time, you're probably better off with a Radeon. | 23:56 |
| jrayhawk | I think all the thinkpads with dedicated chipsets also have switchable integrated graphics these days. | 23:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/onkyos-dx-dual-screen-laptop-is-a-far-better-deal-than-kohjinsh/ | 23:58 |
| kanzure | i am dubious about integrated graphics | 23:58 |
| kanzure | i've just had generally poor experiences with integrated graphis cards | 23:58 |
| kanzure | it always ends up being some lame intel piece of crap that doesn't support any of the gpgpu programming i keep hearing about | 23:59 |
| kanzure | or any of the hash-cracking stuff | 23:59 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, but it's plenty good for blitting large framebuffers at 60hz, which is all you need the majority of the time, and takes a lot less battery to achieve. | 23:59 |
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