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| kanzure | hi nmz787 | 10:35 |
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| nmz787 | hi kanzure | 10:44 |
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| nmz7871 | kanzure: how do we get mediawiki on gnusha/diyhpl.us? | 12:22 |
| nmz7871 | instead of whatever it is now | 12:23 |
| nmz7871 | or better interface on the ikiwiki | 12:23 |
| kanzure | nmz7871: pick something from here http://ikiwiki.info/css_market/ | 12:25 |
| kanzure | nmz7871: jrayhawk likes https://antportal.com/wiki/ | 12:26 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 40b11ce use the antportal ikiwiki css | 12:27 |
| kanzure | there you go.. http://diyhpl.us/ (just be sure to refresh if it looks the same) | 12:28 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 59c84f8 fix the registration link? | 12:30 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 198661b include a link to cgit and the clone line | 12:32 |
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| nmz7871 | looks better! | 12:41 |
| nmz7871 | why doesn't this page continue to utilize the stylesheet and have some sort of toolbar ??? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html | 12:41 |
| nmz7871 | like this page does http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq/ | 12:42 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure got lazy and did raw html there | 12:43 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: there are some html2markdown solutions | 12:44 |
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| nmz7871 | he said ikiwiki can take raw html | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, he uploaded a literal html file, which ikiwiki doesn't render. If he were to include html snippets in one of the renderable formats, those would get wrapped. | 12:47 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: how do i install the mediawiki syntax plugin? | 12:48 |
| kanzure | er.. not mediawiki.. it's called uh.. wikisomething.. wikitext? whatever the awful thing is that mediawiki uses. | 12:48 |
| nmz7871 | where can i pay someone to write 2 english papers for me? | 12:50 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: odesk, guru, elance, freelancer, vworker, fiverr, craigslist | 12:51 |
| kanzure | hmm github git:// is broken? | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | seems to be https://github.com/jmtd/mediawiki.pm/blob/master/mediawiki.pm | 12:55 |
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| jrayhawk | you can slap it into /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ and echo 'push(@{$conf->{add_plugins}}, qw{ mediawiki });' into either (globally) /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and run sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild or (specifically) into /etc/ikiwiki/wiki.setup.pl and rebuildrepo wiki | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Hybrid%20error%20correction%20and%20de%20novo%20assembly%20of%20single-molecule%20sequencing%20reads.pdf | 13:04 |
| nmz787 | you posted a media article about that a few days ago | 13:04 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: a DVD is NOT a poor man's prism, it is a poor man's grating | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | this is the schadt software for the pac bio? | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, explain. | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | prez | 13:04 |
| nmz787 | gratings are nothing new either, and anyone that knows what a grating is will know a DVD/CD can do similar | 13:05 |
| nmz787 | explain what? | 13:05 |
| delinquentme | im lost on grating | 13:06 |
| delinquentme | so grating is a ton of mini prisms? | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | no | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | it is a grating | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | you know what a grating is for roadways to drain water into the sewer? | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | lines of metal with void between them | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | to sieve out trash and so people don't fall into the sewer | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | an optical grating looks the same, but on a micro level | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | thats what we're talking about O_o | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | lines with troughs between them | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | umm is the grating of concentric circles or of right angle lines? | 13:08 |
| jrayhawk | i guess it'd be more tasteful to put it in /usr/local/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | generally gratings are parallel lines | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | but then that wouldnt make sense | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | DVD and CD they're sort of concentric, but it's actually just one spiral line | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | as the directions specify that the DVD chunk needed to be aligned in a particular manner | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | @_@;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, how do you know these things!?!? | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | right, normal to the center, the DVD lines would be parallel | 13:09 |
| * delinquentme is fascinated | 13:10 | |
| delinquentme | kind of like looking at longitude / lattitude of earth along the axis of rotation | 13:10 |
| * nmz787 tries to study optics because most biotech uses photons for sensing | 13:10 | |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: bleh why do i have to do all this shit myself? https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1 | 13:10 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, i was musing about how useful a website full of these little tricks would be | 13:10 |
| delinquentme | surely there are other methods for hacking together things | 13:11 |
| delinquentme | and if people want to hack expensive robotics shit like this would help | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | http://www.scitoyscatalog.com/product/DIFFRACTION.html | 13:11 |
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| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grating | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_grating | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | gratings can be blazed (cut) in different manners to change their dispersal characteristics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waveforms.svg | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazed_grating | 13:13 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2003-05/1053350704.Ph.r.html | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: fwiw, if you wind up needing to pull from cpan, you should use dh-make-perl | 13:14 |
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| kanzure | JCC: hi. | 13:15 |
| JCC | Howdy channel. | 13:15 |
| nmz787 | hi! | 13:15 |
| kanzure | why does mwlib need twisted 12.1 and wtf is re2c | 13:16 |
| JCC | Just got introduced to this channel by the admin of http://transhumani.com/ | 13:17 |
| JCC | Would anyone happen to know what his nick is on here? | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | is that eudoxia? | 13:17 |
| kanzure | no it's not eudoxia. | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | oh | 13:17 |
| kanzure | it's "Stee|" | 13:17 |
| jrayhawk | well, Steel2 at the moment | 13:17 |
| JCC | As suspected. | 13:17 |
| kanzure | jfkdlafjasdkfja i wish setup.py would tell me when it is expecting python2.7 | 13:18 |
| JCC | So, this channel's for H+ planning. | 13:18 |
| kanzure | or maybe there's a json-for-python-2.6 that provides json.load | 13:18 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: are you sure you want to do manual translation step rather than just let mediawiki.pm do its thing? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i was thinking i'd at least try this :/ | 13:19 |
| kanzure | but no i'm not sure at all | 13:19 |
| nmz787 | JCC: that's the main idea, but we talk about everything bio, chem, tech, and programming related | 13:19 |
| jrayhawk | Are you trying to do synchronization between the two? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: no i just wanted to use the formatter to convert mediawikimarkup-thing to markdown | 13:20 |
| JCC | nmz787: not too broad, then. :) | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | JCC: most of what we talk about generally has the aim of being H+ related | 13:20 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: python mediawiki2markdown.py --no-strict --no-debugger input.wiki > output.md | 13:20 |
| kanzure | but mwlib seems to have some weird "import the revision history of mediawiki pages" feature.. looks like dark magic. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | and it probably requires the mysql db of the target site | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | JCC, yeah kind of " what can we do " type projects .. and some wildly crazy out there stuff | 13:21 |
| jrayhawk | Does it split out the revisions into separate files or something? | 13:21 |
| kanzure | no it seems to put the revisions into git | 13:21 |
| jrayhawk | huh | 13:21 |
| kanzure | i was going to import this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ | 13:21 |
| jrayhawk | that's kinda neat and crazy | 13:21 |
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| bkero | I just bought some wearable items today, going to take another stab at it. ;3 | 13:22 |
| bkero | ST1080, odroid hardkernel, Twiddler 2.0 input, 10x18650 cell battery | 13:22 |
| eudoxia | hey JCC | 13:23 |
| bkero | kanzure: Are you still in Austin? | 13:23 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: there's also this thing.. http://scytale.name/blog/2009/11/announcing-levitation | 13:23 |
| kanzure | bkero: yes i am | 13:23 |
| kanzure | eww you have a twiddler now? | 13:23 |
| bkero | I might be coming to texas sometime soon | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | bkero: When you have your hands on the hardware, I'd be interested in seeing it | 13:23 |
| bkero | jrayhawk: ST1080s are backed up until the end of August | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | bummer | 13:24 |
| kanzure | i am thoroughly unimpressed http://www.handykey.com/images/twiddler.jpg | 13:24 |
| JCC | hey eudoxia | 13:24 |
| bkero | kanzure: find me a better chorded keyboard | 13:24 |
| bkero | kanzure: it emulated a 105 key :) | 13:24 |
| kanzure | bkero: how about a regular keyboard, except you use it like a chorded keyboard... done. | 13:24 |
| bkero | and there are alternative keymaps | 13:24 |
| bkero | kanzure: I have a bluetooth model M that I use for stationary applications | 13:25 |
| kanzure | did you buy it with bluetooth? | 13:25 |
| bkero | There is no such thing. I made it. | 13:25 |
| kanzure | there are some bullshit companies that claim to sell "model m equivalents" | 13:25 |
| kanzure | so maybe you bought one of those | 13:25 |
| kanzure | but i see. | 13:25 |
| bkero | No | 13:25 |
| kanzure | ok cool | 13:25 |
| bkero | This is a Model M Spacesaver | 13:25 |
| bkero | IE: No numpad so portable! | 13:25 |
| kanzure | i just have a shitty keytronic | 13:25 |
| kanzure | it was made to look like the model m, except without all the good parts -_- | 13:26 |
| bkero | lamelamelamelamelame | 13:26 |
| bkero | No, I jump up and down on these things to demo for people | 13:26 |
| kanzure | anyway, i don't see how the twiddler is an improvement over the model m | 13:26 |
| kanzure | it looks like a step backwards, or few. | 13:27 |
| bkero | I can use it while travelling | 13:27 |
| kanzure | i carry around a keyboard when necessary | 13:27 |
| kanzure | i don't see the problem? | 13:27 |
| bkero | I mean when physically walking | 13:27 |
| kanzure | me too? | 13:27 |
| bkero | keyboard is not a very good solution when walking :/ | 13:27 |
| bkero | especially if I need a free hand | 13:27 |
| kanzure | if you say so.. better than a twiddler. | 13:27 |
| * bkero shrugs. I'll be the judge of that when it gets here. | 13:28 | |
| kanzure | i think the wpm max on a twiddler is like, 70, which is as bad as touchscreen phones | 13:28 |
| bkero | I'd think much more accuracy than touchscreen phones though | 13:30 |
| kanzure | well, obviously, physical keyboards on phones are better | 13:30 |
| kanzure | oh damn, i just googled it: "iPhone User Types An Incredible 83 WPM" | 13:30 |
| kanzure | "incredible".. le sigh | 13:30 |
| delinquentme | swype | 13:31 |
| kanzure | swype was bought | 13:31 |
| kanzure | and dart isn't that phenomenal anyway | 13:31 |
| kanzure | s/bought/acquired | 13:32 |
| kanzure | bkero: have you hooked up your bluetooth to a smartphone, and if so does it work well for you? | 13:33 |
| bkero | It works alright, some modification keys like ctrl don't work, and esc acts like back | 13:34 |
| kanzure | i mean your keyboard | 13:34 |
| kanzure | i think esc-as-back is to be expected, especially on android? | 13:34 |
| kanzure | since that's how it works on the tablets | 13:34 |
| kanzure | hrm ok | 13:34 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: so the other reason i was considering mediawiki2markdown is that having multiple formats in the wiki will only confuse things | 13:36 |
| jrayhawk | that's fair, i suppose | 13:37 |
| kanzure | grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2. | 13:42 |
| kanzure | grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2.7 | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | html2markdown might be easier, assuming you don't mind losing the revision info | 13:43 |
| jrayhawk | and don't mind some semi-manual cleanup | 13:43 |
| kanzure | mediawiki2markdown.py doesn't keep revision information anyway | 13:44 |
| kanzure | i can't get revision information without asking openwetware for a db backup | 13:44 |
| kanzure | or i could write a scraper | 13:44 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: dcfb7ea first attempt a at reclaiming my DIYbio FAQ from openwetware.org | 13:47 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/ | 13:47 |
| kanzure | ehh. | 13:47 |
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| kanzure | i am not convinced that's any good | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i would somewhat enjoy having the revision history ported over, but there have been so few revisions that i might as well do it manually? | 13:49 |
| jrayhawk | perhaps you should ask them for access? | 13:53 |
| kanzure | ah nevermind i forgot about http://openwetware.org/wiki/Special:Export | 13:55 |
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| nmz787 | so the st1080 has a applications processor in it? | 14:07 |
| nmz787 | or the odroid is separate? | 14:07 |
| nmz787 | bkero: ^ | 14:07 |
| bkero | nmz787: st1080 has a small processor to switch between 3d modes | 14:08 |
| kanzure | importing DIYbio/FAQ.mediawiki at 2009-04-09 03:55:32 UTC | 14:10 |
| kanzure | fatal: Unsupported command: dith] | 14:10 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1122239/ any ideas? | 14:16 |
| kanzure | this is diyhpluswiki/.git/fast_import_crash_9924 | 14:16 |
| kanzure | i think the dith] is from a line that has this at the end: [http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/09e4bcf12548501a Meredith] | 14:17 |
| kanzure | actually, "committer" is wrong.. or maybe "author" should be present.. the original mediawiki commit data said "Mackenzie Cowell", which is definitely not me. | 14:17 |
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| jrayhawk | That's a pretty weird parsing error. | 14:30 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: i think this might be expecting an older version of git | 14:31 |
| kanzure | so i rewrote it to use git fast-import with a line like "data <<EOF\nstuff goes here\nEOF" instead of "data 11\nhello world\n" and it works fine now | 14:31 |
| kanzure | the weird thing about this is that jcline apparently took the diybio faq from heybryan.org/mediawiki | 14:32 |
| kanzure | but he didn't preserve revision history | 14:32 |
| jrayhawk | ha ha ha | 14:33 |
| kanzure | i'm so confused :( | 14:33 |
| nmz787 | where are you importing to? | 14:33 |
| kanzure | diyhpluswiki.git | 14:33 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 14:36 |
| nmz787 | why not into ikiwiki? | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk | that is an ikiwiki | 14:36 |
| nmz787 | ;? | 14:36 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 14:36 |
| nmz787 | i can see it in the rev history | 14:37 |
| kanzure | nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ is http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki | 14:37 |
| nmz787 | but how do i look at it not through cgit? | 14:37 |
| kanzure | git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git | 14:37 |
| kanzure | i also have it up on http://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki just for giggles | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/ | 14:38 |
| nmz787 | but the comment only says diybio/converted-faq.mdwn | 14:38 |
| kanzure | oh, you want what jrayhawk is telling you | 14:38 |
| nmz787 | yes | 14:39 |
| nmz787 | why doesnt the homepage autopopulate? | 14:39 |
| kanzure | what would you like to be on the homepage? | 14:39 |
| nmz787 | or say "see all pages" | 14:39 |
| jrayhawk | I can set that up if you want. | 14:39 |
| kanzure | sure | 14:39 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages#mw-specialpagesgroup-pages | 14:40 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ^ | 14:40 |
| kanzure | what is this showing me? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | or, rather, why are you showing me this? | 14:41 |
| nmz787 | oO this is coolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategoryTree&target=biology&mode=categories&dotree=Show+tree | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | synthetic biology has 0 subcategories | 14:42 |
| kanzure | openwetware is a better wiki for synthetic biology stuff | 14:43 |
| nmz787 | but it;s parent bioengineering does | 14:43 |
| kanzure | but openwetware has been on a downward slope in terms of people actively editing (apparently) | 14:43 |
| kanzure | it turns out that forcing igem teams to edit openwetware is not a good strategy for retaining long-term contributors | 14:43 |
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| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers | 14:43 |
| nmz787 | meredith patterson is listed by wikipedia as a bioengineer | 14:44 |
| nmz787 | venter isn't | 14:44 |
| kanzure | heh. | 14:44 |
| nmz787 | keasling isn't | 14:44 |
| yashgaroth | haha | 14:44 |
| nmz787 | none of us are | 14:45 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers_by_nationality | 14:45 |
| kanzure | i'm not entirely sure if venter has ever done any lab work | 14:45 |
| nmz787 | there are only american and turkish bioengineers | 14:45 |
| nmz787 | girl talk (musician) is listed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_bioengineers | 14:46 |
| nmz787 | "Gillis began experimenting with deejaying while a student at Chartiers Valley High School in the Pittsburgh suburb of Bridgeville. After a few collaborative efforts he started the solo "Girl Talk" project while studying biomedical engineering at Case Western Reserve University inCleveland, Ohio. In school, Gillis focused on tissue engineering. He later worked as an engineer, but quit in May 2007 to focus solely on music.[4] | 14:46 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 28b0886 index: Use a map directive to index content | 14:46 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: de0652a index: remove what i presume is an old test comment | 14:47 |
| kanzure | "After successfully mastering tissue engineering, he decided to quit and never use again." eery. | 14:54 |
| jrayhawk | alternatively we can [[!tag mainindex]] individual pages and use [[!map pages="tagged(mainindex)"]] in index.mdwn instead, but really stuff should just get properly organized in the first place | 14:54 |
| kanzure | well, if i cared significantly about making my additions accessible, i would add a link somewhere instead of making them orphan pages | 14:54 |
| kanzure | but most of the time these orphans are orphans for a reason | 14:54 |
| nmz787 | ? | 14:54 |
| nmz787 | no | 14:54 |
| nmz787 | then why add it anyway? | 14:55 |
| nmz787 | if people can't see them they can't be stimulated to think about that stuff | 14:55 |
| nmz787 | that could lead to improving the doc | 14:55 |
| kanzure | feel free to suggest some things; does the index page look usable now? | 14:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/ | 14:56 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 722990f removed | 15:00 |
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| jrayhawk | wow, that's a lousy commit message | 15:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: looks better, but is it auto-updating with commits of new pages? | 15:01 |
| jrayhawk | yes | 15:01 |
| kanzure | hrmm the media2iki guy was using ts=3 for his .rb files.. therefore he is pure evil | 15:02 |
| kanzure | there were also some \t's :( | 15:02 |
| kanzure | it's like taking the average between those who use 2 spaces and 4 spaces, and totally fucking it up. | 15:03 |
| kanzure | compromising doesn't work, kids | 15:03 |
| jrayhawk | nmz787: ikiwiki is called by a cgi and/or a post-update hook to recompile pages as appropriate | 15:03 |
| jrayhawk | it is magic | 15:03 |
| jrayhawk | if you want to play with it it you can run 'newrepo the-amazing-nmz787-wiki' on gnusha | 15:04 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if he has git cloned it to his local machine yet | 15:04 |
| kanzure | nmz787: this is just like any other git repository except gnusha does some things when you send it new commits; also, you can edit from the web. | 15:04 |
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| kanzure | by running newrepo you can create a new ikiwiki instance on gnusha (by default, all repos on gnusha get a wiki based on the contents of the git repository) | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | i think you can avoid the ikiwiki by passing --disable-ikiwiki on the newrepo commandline | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: so i'm redoing this git import thing.. what do you recommend for the commit author/committer fields? | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i was thinking: the author should be the mediawiki username/email, and the committer should be openwetware-mediawiki <no-reply@openwetware.org> | 15:11 |
| kanzure | or am i supposed to be the committer? | 15:11 |
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| jrayhawk | I have no particular opinion. | 15:13 |
| jrayhawk | I guess openwetware-mediawiki approach looks humbler; less likely to piss people off | 15:13 |
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| kanzure | hmmm /home/kanzure/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-p290/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rexml/parent.rb:59:in `[]': can't convert String into Integer (TypeError) | 15:17 |
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| nmz787 | crap, i can never remember passwords for things anymore | 15:22 |
| kanzure | nmz787: you can ssh in and change your password | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | i've forgotten the diypl.us pass twice recently | 15:22 |
| kanzure | (by typing "passwd") | 15:22 |
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| nmz787 | no i guess keys aren't working for me, I may have set it up on a different VM | 15:23 |
| kanzure | pm me what password you would like | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | lemme try this other VM that I was using for the nanoengineer stuff | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: passwd is asking for my current pass | 15:27 |
| nmz787 | I think I have to have sudo perm to do without a pass | 15:27 |
| kanzure | oh, then pm me a temporary password, then change it | 15:28 |
| kanzure | nmz787: ok try now | 15:29 |
| kanzure | wait, how exactly did you upload that pdf earlier today? | 15:29 |
| nmz787 | i did that weeks ago | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: was late to the game re: that article | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | so china is trying to sell me a fiber spectrometer for $2200 wheras canada has them for $749 | 15:32 |
| kanzure | fatal: Expected 'data n' command, found: author Mackenzie L. Cowell <mac@diybio.org> Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:55:32 -0000 | 15:33 |
| kanzure | fast-import: dumping crash report to .git/fast_import_crash_11014 | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | found it through alibaba, replied with the link to the canandian site and said if they made me a deal I'd help them improve their software | 15:33 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fast-import.html | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | and i said i knew cost to manufacture was ~$300 USD | 15:33 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: "author" seems to be a command according to this doc. what am i doing wrong? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | oh maybe it's order-dependent | 15:34 |
| kanzure | aha.. yep. | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is the ikiwiki pass diff than gnusha? | 15:34 |
| kanzure | pipe.puts "author #{f.author_username} <#{f.author_email}> #{f.timestamp.rfc2822}" | 15:34 |
| kanzure | nmz787: nope | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | hmm, the .us.:443 isn't letting me in | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | oh, maybe it's my repo pass | 15:35 |
| kanzure | it's the same password as your gnusha/diyhpl.us password | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | doesnt let me in | 15:36 |
| kanzure | try now | 15:36 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, you did see the Open source rigged one right? | 15:36 |
| kanzure | i ran this command: addaccess diyhpluswiki nmz787 | 15:36 |
| nmz787 | oh, must be cache related | 15:36 |
| nmz787 | ah, then maybe that fixed it | 15:36 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: is that supposed to happen, or was it his cache? | 15:36 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: yeah seen that a while ago, they aren't really lab quality optics b/c of lower signal to noise | 15:37 |
| nmz787 | and they don't do UV | 15:37 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: jrayhawk: i say cache because I ctrl-shift-n in chrome and then it worked | 15:37 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, signal to noise? the noise being created where / how? | 15:38 |
| delinquentme | the non UV I get | 15:38 |
| delinquentme | or IR | 15:38 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: IR requires an InGaAs sensor, silicon cuts off pretty low in the NIR | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: SNR gets lowered by aberattions in the grating and other optics, stray light, etc | 15:40 |
| nmz787 | as well as possible DSP going on in the camera's firmware | 15:40 |
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| nmz787 | even bad grounding/poor circuit design could introduce noise | 15:41 |
| nmz787 | the main thing i don't like is the DSP | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | because the optics could be upgraded | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | but its still a PITA | 15:43 |
| kanzure | alright, so i have 477 commits from openwetware in a separate git repository | 15:43 |
| kanzure | ideally i will also convert heybryan.org/mediawiki/DIYbio_FAQ to git and then rebase all of the openwetware stuff on top | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: how easy is that? | 15:44 |
| kanzure | well the first step is to find the hard drive, which i estimate to be exactly impossible | 15:45 |
| kanzure | i have been making changes to media2iki to do the mediawiki-to-git conversion | 15:45 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1 | 15:45 |
| kanzure | so the second step would be finding the hard drive, running the old web server, and then exporting the revisions to xml through Special:Export | 15:46 |
| kanzure | then running it through media2iki's hacked up shit that i have been editing | 15:46 |
| kanzure | rebasing the commits will be a little weird; i think i have to make sure the filenames match up or else the rebased history won't make any sense | 15:46 |
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| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ grep shared /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/config | 15:53 |
| jrayhawk | sharedrepository=0664 | 15:53 |
| jrayhawk | you can pinyconfig diyhpluswiki sharedrepository 0666 if you want anybody to be able to edit it | 15:53 |
| jrayhawk | and rebuildrepo diyhpluswiki | 15:53 |
| kanzure | sharedrepository is not a legal tweakable, or 0666 is not a legal value for that tweakable. | 15:55 |
| jrayhawk | oh huh | 15:55 |
| jrayhawk | oh, core.sharedrepository | 15:55 |
| jrayhawk | durrr | 15:55 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: why do i see this a lot – in http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/polymerase/notes/ | 15:56 |
| kanzure | because i suck at unicode and utf-8 | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | do you know what it's supposed to be? | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | "the DNA product contained 60–70% dGMP residues, 10–15% each of the two pyrimidine residues, and 5–10% dAMP residues. " | 15:57 |
| nmz787 | oh hyphen? | 15:57 |
| kanzure | well "–" is possibly the "hyphen" thing | 15:57 |
| kanzure | and "“" and "â€" are possibly quotes | 15:58 |
| jrayhawk | there are a bajillion lexically distinct hyphens, but fuck 'em | 15:58 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: yeah | 16:00 |
| jrayhawk | i suppose i should add receive.denyDeletes to pinyconfig | 16:01 |
| jrayhawk | receive.denyNonFastForwards is already in place, at least | 16:03 |
| nsh | only one hyphen, two dashes | 16:04 |
| nsh | http://cutewriting.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/en-dash-em-dash-and-hyphen.html | 16:05 |
| kanzure | hmmm | 16:06 |
| kanzure | so i'm looking through some old hard drives | 16:06 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-sleep-log-2006.php | 16:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: ^ | 16:06 |
| jrayhawk | also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_hyphen | 16:06 |
| kanzure | also: yes i admit i used to write php, please don't murder me or think less of me because of it :( | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | nsh: seems like 1 hypen, 2, or 3 | 16:08 |
| jrayhawk | parameterization is for sissies | 16:08 |
| jrayhawk | sql parameterization, specifically | 16:08 |
| kanzure | it got infinitely worse | 16:09 |
| jrayhawk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_dash#Similar_Unicode_characters | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-temporary-resource-allocation-system-2005.php | 16:21 |
| brownies | we all used to write php | 16:29 |
| brownies | "used to" is the important part, though. | 16:30 |
| kanzure | yes but did you write php for a cult? | 16:30 |
| brownies | no, just clients | 16:35 |
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| kanzure | 22:39 < jihaaaaaad> 1) No logging. Logging = kick. | 16:46 |
| kanzure | oh was that hplusroadmap? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | huh i think someone forgot to kick me | 16:46 |
| kanzure | hrmm why did i know about ultrasound brain stimulation in 2008 | 16:48 |
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| kanzure | hi mation | 16:50 |
| mation | Hiya! | 16:51 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: all i can find is this weird skdb/ikiwiki repository from 2008 | 16:53 |
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| skorket | anyone have any experience with Advanced Liquid Logic? | 16:58 |
| kanzure | ERROR 1034 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table 'wordmap'; try to repair it | 17:00 |
| skorket | was that for me? | 17:01 |
| kanzure | no i am fixing things | 17:02 |
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| kanzure | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 | 17:21 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: any hints? | 17:21 |
| jrayhawk | Where is this? | 17:22 |
| jrayhawk | What is this? | 17:22 |
| jrayhawk | sudo netstat -lpn will tell you what's already bound there | 17:22 |
| kanzure | oh fooey i had a load balancer running, that's right.. | 17:30 |
| kanzure | "Missing rc_timestamp field of recentchanges table. Should not happen." | 17:39 |
| kanzure | well i was stupid to expect the mediawiki upgrade script to work | 17:39 |
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| nmz787 | skorket: i've been on advanced liquid logic's website before | 18:10 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/technology/talk-to-me-one-machine-said-to-the-other.html?_r=1 | 18:18 |
| delinquentme | "The combined level of robotic chatter on the world’s wireless networks — measured in the digital data load they exert on networks — is likely soon to exceed that generated by the sum of all human voice conversations taking place on wireless grids." | 18:18 |
| delinquentme | I guess im surprised that it doesnt exceed it already. | 18:18 |
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| kanzure | why is this guy recompiling php http://davejamesmiller.com/blog/web-development/how-to-install-php-5-2-fastcgi-on-debian-6-0-squeeze | 18:40 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: voice is really low bandwidth | 19:06 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, really?? | 19:07 |
| delinquentme | that surprises me | 19:07 |
| delinquentme | but then I know nothing about voice compression | 19:07 |
| nmz787 | and most wireless is probably wifi or microwave links that in terms of bandwidth have a lot compared even to AM and FM and shortwave | 19:07 |
| nmz787 | also digital media (i.e. satellite TV) is probably not considered audio,certainly not a conversation | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | it's the bandwidth more than the compression, you don't need much to reproduce a voice, now a concert/music is different, that's why hearing it through the phone sucks | 19:08 |
| kanzure | you definitely need less than 10 kbps to do voice | 19:09 |
| kanzure | well, to some extent. | 19:09 |
| yashgaroth | dial-up was what, 4kbps? | 19:11 |
| nmz787 | well then voice was audio | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | and nah dialup got up to 65k | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | 56k | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | * | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | I thought that was bits | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | kilobits | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I meant 4 kilobytes/sec | 19:13 |
| yashgaroth | typical, not maximum | 19:13 |
| kanzure | man, i can't believe i ever paid for that | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | 56/8=7 | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | oh | 19:14 |
| yashgaroth | sure but you need a lot of virgin blood to get to 7 | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | damn that's why i never had full speed | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: any luck w jobs? | 19:15 |
| yashgaroth | waiting to hear back from like 3 places after interviews | 19:15 |
| brownies | nice, where'd you interview? | 19:16 |
| yashgaroth | verenium, alere, and moore's cancer center | 19:16 |
| yashgaroth | who are respectively: enzyme manufacturing, gmp blood analysis chips, and...cancer stuff | 19:16 |
| kanzure | verenium sounds like a STD | 19:17 |
| yashgaroth | I liked them, they seem chill, but yeah | 19:17 |
| kanzure | ok just making sure. | 19:17 |
| yashgaroth | they had me assembly some centrifugal separator as part of the interview, which was a nice change of pace | 19:18 |
| kanzure | was that before or after they had you pee in a cup? | 19:19 |
| yashgaroth | before, where do you think the pee went? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: http://diyhpl.us/ | 19:19 |
| yashgaroth | ooh fancy | 19:20 |
| brownies | they drug test? | 19:21 |
| yashgaroth | it | 19:21 |
| yashgaroth | 's just an initial one, not on the reg | 19:21 |
| brownies | intriguing | 19:22 |
| kanzure | brownies: apparently most of yashgaroth's potential employers do drug screens | 19:22 |
| yashgaroth | my last place didn't, but apparently that's not the norm in industry nowadays | 19:22 |
| brownies | i imagine the software startup scene would fall apart if they did such things | 19:23 |
| kanzure | "we're sorry but we can't hire you because you don't have enough cocaine in your system" | 19:23 |
| yashgaroth | biotech startups tend to be more lenient, but glaxo/pfizer/etc do blood screens as well as maybe hair | 19:24 |
| kanzure | so wear a wig? | 19:25 |
| yashgaroth | any excuse to wear a wig and I'm down | 19:25 |
| brownies | no shit? i had no idea | 19:25 |
| brownies | oh, i guess it's because they're pretty close to FDA approval procedures and whatnot, so i guess they have to be on top of their researchers | 19:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/judge-wig.jpg | 19:26 |
| jrayhawk | yashgaroth: Kbps vs KBps | 19:26 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i always thought that was silly | 19:26 |
| jrayhawk | semantics usually are | 19:26 |
| kanzure | and then there's the god damn kibibits or something | 19:27 |
| kanzure | and kibibytes | 19:27 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, everyone should use those to get rid of that ambiguity | 19:28 |
| yashgaroth | capital letters, pfah | 19:28 |
| kanzure | i always mean "kilobytes" when i say "kbps" | 19:28 |
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| kanzure | i guess i could switch to kby? | 19:28 |
| jrayhawk | also with V.44 and PPP compression speeds higher than 10KiBps were common for plaintext. | 19:28 |
| kanzure | kibibits or kibibytes? | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | kibyps | 19:29 |
| kanzure | noo don't confuse things | 19:29 |
| jrayhawk | if you have trouble distinguishing between a lower case 'b' and an upper case 'B' perhaps you should acquire glasses | 19:29 |
| kanzure | well, i have trouble distinguishing whether or not the author implied one b or the other B | 19:29 |
| kanzure | so i added "deb http://archives.dotdeb.org/ lenny all" to /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:36 |
| kanzure | and i want to get one of the 5.2.x's | 19:36 |
| kanzure | after apt-get update-ing, "sudo apt-get install php5=5.2.17" gives me "E: Version '5.2.17' for 'php5' was not found" | 19:36 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: am i missing a step? | 19:36 |
| kanzure | http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/php5/ | 19:37 |
| ParahSailin | i cant find that cryptosphere thread on hackernews anymore | 19:37 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4316632 | 19:38 |
| ParahSailin | oh damn, front page i was skipping over it | 19:39 |
| ParahSailin | i dont see how cryptosphere would be useful for publishing | 19:41 |
| ParahSailin | other than storing plaintext on other parties' machines | 19:41 |
| kanzure | i wasn't impressed and didn't look further | 19:43 |
| kanzure | when thesnark shows up you can pester him, he likes to talk big about freenet or all the other freenet contenders | 19:43 |
| kanzure | or that other one.. tamato.. tomahoe.. tomahawk.. whatever. | 19:44 |
| jrayhawk | this does not appear to be a debian repository | 19:47 |
| kanzure | well that would explain it | 19:47 |
| kanzure | i'd like to downgrade all of these: | 19:48 |
| kanzure | libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mysql phpmyadmin | 19:48 |
| kanzure | mediawiki-1.12 is incompatible with php-5.3.x and mediawiki-master is unable to upgrade the old mysql tables i recovered | 19:50 |
| jrayhawk | downgrades are rather poorly tested; it might be best to choose a debian or ubuntu release and debootstrap it | 19:50 |
| jrayhawk | and then chroot or lxc into it | 19:50 |
| kanzure | and then run apache from inside the chroot? | 19:51 |
| jrayhawk | if you want apache, sure | 19:51 |
| kanzure | no i was just wondering about http servers inside chroots in general | 19:51 |
| jrayhawk | it'll happily attempt to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 if nothing else has | 19:52 |
| jrayhawk | chroots are not a security mechanism; everything will work normally, things executed under chroot will just look up paths differently unless they go through the extra work not to | 19:53 |
| jrayhawk | you might want to do something like for i in dev proc; do mount --bind /$i /path/to/chroot/$i; done before attempting to chroot in | 19:54 |
| jrayhawk | if you're attempting to do this on gnusha, there'll be some permissions problems and i should probably do the debootstrap step for you | 19:55 |
| kanzure | hrmm this is going to take forever on my local machine | 19:55 |
| kanzure | would you mind if we did this on gnusha? | 19:55 |
| jrayhawk | that'd be fine. what release do you want? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | i promise to keep all the php garbage inside the chroot | 19:56 |
| kanzure | lenny? i think lenny is php-5.2 or lower ? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | the thing i need to avoid is php-5.3.x | 19:56 |
| jrayhawk | looks like lenny is 5.2.6 | 19:56 |
| kanzure | that should work | 19:57 |
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| jrayhawk | man, archive.debian.org is just slow in general | 20:10 |
| jrayhawk | i suppose if i were a nicer person i would've made this a whole new vserver so you wouldn't have to worry about ports | 20:15 |
| jrayhawk | huh, netcat-traditional is in base now | 20:15 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, netcat-traditional was in base several releases ago | 20:16 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder why | 20:16 |
| jrayhawk | anywho, sudo chroot /root/lenny appears to work | 20:17 |
| jrayhawk | http://vimeo.com/46304267 "Sight" | 20:24 |
| AdrianG | http://inhabitat.com/nyc-will-replace-taxis-with-new-driverless-google-cabs/ | 20:32 |
| AdrianG | zomg | 20:32 |
| AdrianG | driverless cars? | 20:32 |
| AdrianG | i can has? | 20:32 |
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| nmz787 | AdrianG: are you in NYC? | 20:37 |
| AdrianG | no :< | 20:38 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: thank you sir | 20:39 |
| nmz787 | AdrianG: the comments says "april fools" | 20:42 |
| AdrianG | :o | 20:42 |
| AdrianG | no :< | 20:43 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, the mayor of new york does not have the power to arbitrarily nullify state law | 20:46 |
| kanzure | are you certain? :( | 20:48 |
| strangewarp | pot is still illegal in NY because the state senate is majority Republican, so, yeah | 20:50 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i set /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default to <VirtualHost *:2080> and /etc/init.d/apache2 start is complaining about port 80 | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | /etc/apache2/ports.conf | 20:50 |
| kanzure | doh. | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | which is also where you need to enable fucking virtualhosting on ssl | 20:51 |
| kanzure | hmm | 20:52 |
| kanzure | so i set it to <VirtualHost 0.0.0.0:2022> and restarted apache2 and http://diyhpl.us:2022/ doesn't go anywhere | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | like altnames and sni and wildcards are some sort of crazy voodoo | 20:52 |
| kanzure | well, *:2022 didn't work either. | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5040 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 27207/apache2 | 20:53 |
| jrayhawk | http://gnusha.org:5040/ | 20:53 |
| kanzure | $ curl gnusha.org:5040 | 20:54 |
| kanzure | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040 | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040 | 20:55 |
| jrayhawk | <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> | 20:55 |
| bkero | PREPARE FOR BATTLE | 20:57 |
| kanzure | hmm well that laptop just got disconnected from wifi | 20:57 |
| kanzure | so perhaps that was a premonition of things to come | 20:57 |
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| jrayhawk | i theorize the universe just hates it when you try to do system administration | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: http://desktopfactory2012.istart.org/ | 21:02 |
| delinquentme | i thought there was someone on kickstarter already building a filament extruder | 21:03 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: is this why the lenovo thinkpad series suddenly began to suck when i finally started to consider it? | 21:05 |
| nmz787 | wifi drivers? | 21:06 |
| kanzure | once every five weeks i go without rebooting i need to load/unload rtl8192se.ko | 21:07 |
| kanzure | to get wifi back to working. | 21:07 |
| jrayhawk | ha ha you have a realtek | 21:11 |
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| kanzure | wait.. $ curl http://gnusha.org:5040/ | 21:16 |
| kanzure | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host | 21:16 |
| kanzure | i have tested this from two computers. | 21:17 |
| kanzure | but "curl http://131.252.130.248:5040" works. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | but not from chrome. | 21:19 |
| kanzure | ok now it works from chrome. hrmmm. | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | anyone happen to know about this quit smoking thing that identifies the logic behind " why i need to smoke " and then attempts to rectify it? | 21:31 |
| delinquentme | tis for a friend. | 21:31 |
| kanzure | hint: if you remove their brain then their addiction disappears | 21:37 |
| yashgaroth | how do you rectify sweet, sweet nicotine | 21:37 |
| kanzure | by removing the brain | 21:38 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 21:38 |
| delinquentme | very halpful | 21:38 |
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| Von | I have a question | 21:42 |
| Von | About magnetic implants | 21:43 |
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| Von | -.- Everyone in here is dead too | 21:44 |
| yashgaroth | the plague got us | 21:45 |
| yashgaroth | we're not instant genies sorry | 21:45 |
| Von | Pity about the plague | 21:45 |
| Von | I had a question | 21:45 |
| yashgaroth | aye, so what's your question | 21:45 |
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| Von | Yeah! So, can i do an implant myself? | 21:46 |
| yashgaroth | I wouldn't recommend it | 21:46 |
| Von | Why not? | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | Von, to what ends? | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | why do you seek to stick things in you? | 21:47 |
| yashgaroth | well there's gonna be an awful lot of blood, and stiching with one hand is rather difficult | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | if its novelty | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | thats a shitty answer | 21:47 |
| yashgaroth | stitching* | 21:47 |
| Von | Itd be an amazing bar joke :D | 21:48 |
| yashgaroth | try asking around at local tattoo/bodymod parlors if they'd be up for it, or fly to arizona | 21:48 |
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| nmz787 | anyone know how to rip scribd docs that can't be downloaded by default? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | i could do it if i stare at the problem long enough | 21:49 |
| nmz787 | http://www.scribd.com/doc/21463280/Imaging-Cellular-and-Molecular-Biological-Functions | 21:50 |
| Von | Where could i buy magnets that wont erode from, aside from the internet? | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | Von, you're doing this to get drunk | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | ? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | geeze, i hate scribd | 21:51 |
| kanzure | i wish assholes would stop using scribd | 21:51 |
| Von | Nah. Im doing it for the hell of it | 21:51 |
| yashgaroth | local shops won't carry biocompatibly-coated tiny magnets, ask someone on biohack.me to send you one | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | sounds like a stupid reason | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | why dont you build a robot and give it away to people in 4rd world countries | 21:51 |
| Von | And? | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | Do something for someone / some cause | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | what you're doing is stupid | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | and therefore you by extension. | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | im out kids | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | sleep time | 21:52 |
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| yashgaroth | oh don't mind him | 21:53 |
| yashgaroth | nmz787 http://libgen.info/view.php?id=502858 | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | wait, i have download access through a proxy | 21:53 |
| Von | About how much would a procedure cost at a tat shop? | 21:53 |
| Von | Im honestly thinking about doing this | 21:53 |
| kanzure | haha delinquentme calling someone else stupid, that's funny. | 21:54 |
| yashgaroth | no idea, I've never even gotten a tat, so I'll just say $200 | 21:54 |
| Von | Sounds reasonable | 21:55 |
| strangewarp | god, I hate that attitude | 21:55 |
| Von | One last question | 21:55 |
| strangewarp | "science for immediate social justice or none at all!!" | 21:55 |
| Von | Lets assume im gunna do it myself. Would i be able to inject it with a needle? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | no | 21:55 |
| Von | Why not? | 21:56 |
| kanzure | this involves cutting up your dermal layers and sliding it in | 21:56 |
| yashgaroth | that's gonna be a big fuckoff needle | 21:56 |
| Von | Mm. I guess | 21:56 |
| Von | So the best bet is to go to a tat shop and ask around | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: actually that's different than what I was looking for http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/NanoCellBiology%20of%20Secretion.pdf | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | Von how deep do you want it? | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | Von how deep have others placed them? | 21:57 |
| Von | I... have no idea | 21:58 |
| Von | Am i supposed to know this shit? | 21:58 |
| kanzure | why again are you doing this? you don't seem to know why? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | or any of the other w's | 21:59 |
| Von | I dont have a why | 21:59 |
| Von | I want something DIFFERENT | 21:59 |
| kanzure | how about linux | 21:59 |
| Von | People get tats and piercings, i say magnets! =D | 21:59 |
| Von | I have linux on my main comp | 22:00 |
| kanzure | oh, then bsd. it will be like alien land. | 22:00 |
| Von | Trip boot linux, windoze and OSX, actually | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | OS2 | 22:00 |
| Von | I have that on a virtual machine | 22:01 |
| Von | :3 | 22:02 |
| Von | How much would a procedure like this hurt without anaesthetic? | 22:03 |
| yashgaroth | you can keep the finger in icewater until it's numb, but there's still quite a lot of nerves in the fingertip | 22:04 |
| kanzure | Von: well, someone posted a video of a procedure without anesthetics and it was basically screaming torture level | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | i got two tats for $80 total | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | but that isn't really surgery | 22:05 |
| Von | So... for someone who hates pain, anesthetic is a must | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | I would do it for you for $100, but you'd have to sign a release of suing-me rights | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | and realize it was my first time | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | :P | 22:06 |
| yashgaroth | I'll do it for 90 | 22:07 |
| Von | Have either of you actually done this type of thing? | 22:07 |
| yashgaroth | nah it's a marginal benefit mostly good for bar tricks | 22:07 |
| kanzure | i think card tricks might rate higher | 22:07 |
| Von | Kanzure? | 22:07 |
| yashgaroth | have you tried taping/gluing a magnet to your fingertip and seeing how you like it? try that first | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | i've done dissections, but not surgery | 22:08 |
| kanzure | Von: thoroughly not interested in a magnetic implant | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | and i know sterile technique second-nature | 22:08 |
| kanzure | also, i dislike how the bodymodders imply it's somehow transhumanist | 22:08 |
| Von | So, im getting advice from people who have never done this sort of thing before | 22:09 |
| Von | Lol | 22:09 |
| kanzure | we have lots of people that come by in here and yap about it | 22:09 |
| yashgaroth | vicarious has one but he's on dutch time | 22:09 |
| kanzure | smeaaagle: are you a pokemon? | 22:10 |
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| yashgaroth | biohack.me has a dozen threads about it if you want info from people who've done it | 22:10 |
| Von | Im on my phone | 22:11 |
| Von | Im ginna get on biohack.me tomorro | 22:11 |
| Von | See what it all actually entails | 22:11 |
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| kanzure | right... | 22:12 |
| yashgaroth | well then | 22:13 |
| kanzure | well, at least he didn't claim it was transhumanist/biohacking/whatever | 22:13 |
| kanzure | he just genuinely wants one for the fun of it | 22:13 |
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| kanzure | and/or novelty | 22:13 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: /etc/init.d/mysql start claims "df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory" | 22:14 |
| kanzure | bryan@gnusha:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop | 22:16 |
| kanzure | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed | 22:16 |
| kanzure | i was thinking maybe there was a port conflict with both databases running (why am i running mysql on gnusha anyway?) | 22:16 |
| kanzure | hmm that seemed to do the trick. | 22:17 |
| kanzure | (once i sigkilled it) | 22:17 |
| nmz7871 | there have got to be legal implications for back-alley surgery | 22:18 |
| brownies | there was an AMA on reddit a while back from a guy who had a magnet or three jammed into his finger/thumb/something | 22:22 |
| brownies | it did seem interesting... but there were all kinds of caveats | 22:22 |
| kanzure | brownies: a while back there was this attention whore going around talking about the procedure, calling it some sort of transcendental mode of existence | 22:23 |
| brownies | that seems a bit much | 22:24 |
| brownies | on the topic of sixth senses, i still want a compass-belt | 22:25 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: so if i refresh a few hundred times, sometimes the connection will work for one or two requests | 22:31 |
| nsh | what you talking about? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | nsh: i am running apache2 inside of a chroot | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org:5040/ | 22:32 |
| nsh | to any particular end? | 22:33 |
| kanzure | man, i hate google chrome | 22:34 |
| kanzure | "other users are also experiencing difficulties connecting to this site" | 22:34 |
| kanzure | why would you possibly know this | 22:34 |
| nsh | retrocausal analytics | 22:36 |
| nmz7871 | anyone used google visualization api? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i've used google charts api? | 22:37 |
| nmz7871 | is it useful? | 22:38 |
| nmz7871 | kanzure: this https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/reference | 22:38 |
| nmz7871 | kanzure: ? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | something like that yes | 22:38 |
| kanzure | yeah i've used it in random places where i didn't want to bother with raphael.js or three.js | 22:38 |
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| nmz787 | what do they do? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | you should consider three.js.. https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js#readme | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | does some account need to be signed in? | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | to use the g api? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | hey wait | 22:39 |
| kanzure | where is their gallery :( | 22:39 |
| kanzure | they used to have a neat three.js gallery in their readme | 22:39 |
| kanzure | http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/ | 22:39 |
| kanzure | no you don't need an account to use the google charts api | 22:39 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: what do you think about security? https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/1076 | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | i think morgan stanley apparently is using the google thing | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | does anyone here understand sigma delta modulation? | 22:47 |
| nsh | looks dodgy | 22:52 |
| nsh | one should be instantly skeptical of consecutive greek letters | 22:52 |
| kanzure | which version of mediawiki didn't have the "page_restrictions" table? | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | http://www.websdr.org/ | 22:59 |
| nmz787 | pretty cool | 22:59 |
| nsh | wiat | 23:00 |
| nsh | wait | 23:00 |
| nsh | how's that work? the radio is tuned to all the frequencies, or lots of parallel tuning circuits? | 23:01 |
| * nsh reads faq | 23:01 | |
| nsh | nmz787, this is super cool. thanks | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | nsh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio#Receiver_architecture | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | then the output of the ADC is piped to that JAVA app, i think... the server may do the fourier transform, but I'm not sure | 23:06 |
| superkuh | If you can find one, grab one of the dvb television dongles compatible with librtlsdr. It's a lot of fun for SDR. | 23:06 |
| superkuh | And <$20. | 23:06 |
| nsh | sweet | 23:06 |
| * superkuh has 4. | 23:06 | |
| nmz787 | nsh: also this http://hackaday.com/2012/03/20/software-defined-radio-from-a-usb-tv-capture-card/ | 23:08 |
| nmz787 | nsh: ^ that's what superkuh is talking about | 23:08 |
| nsh | noted | 23:08 |
| superkuh | http://superkuh.com/gnuradio.html | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | nsh: http://youtu.be/bKzii5K3AqA?t=1m52s | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | "World's cheapest aviation RADAR Mode S ADS-B receiver: AvMap + $20 RTL2832 Dongle" | 23:11 |
| nsh | terms of penance don't allow me to have that many tabs open at once | 23:11 |
| nsh | should really write that script that kills tabs on lose-focus and reloads on gain | 23:12 |
| nsh | ram is worth more than render time in this arrangement of silicon | 23:12 |
| kanzure | you should upgrade to 16 GB | 23:12 |
| nsh | that would be nice | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | superkuh: do you know if the 2.4 MSPS means it's limited to realizing 1.2 MHz signals? | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | I wonder if this could be used for SDR http://www.ti.com/tool/adc12d1800rfrb | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | specifically thinking of those differential power analysis attacks | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | where you need to look at CPU speed power transitions | 23:18 |
| nsh | can you elaborate? | 23:20 |
| nsh | oh, so analogous to timing attacks, but using the power consumption profile of a black-box to glean information about its internal states | 23:22 |
| nsh | nmz787, not sure i see the relation to CPU stepping though | 23:24 |
| nsh | or SRD for that matter | 23:24 |
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| superkuh | nmz787, It is not. The actual sample rate internally is greater than the 7(?) Mhz needed to decode dbt tv. | 23:26 |
| superkuh | I... you should ask on ##rtlsdr. | 23:26 |
| superkuh | I am no expert. | 23:26 |
| superkuh | But I have certainly looked at signals larger than 2 Mhz wide. | 23:26 |
| * nsh tries to parse this | 23:29 | |
| nsh | what kind of a signals are there over such a frequency range? | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | cool | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | i think it downconverts the tuned band with a heterodyne principle | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | since the MHz or GHz is usually just the carrier freq | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | as long as the bandwidth used is less than the sampling rate (or half of the sampling rate, nyquist), it should be fine | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | well like voice is from 60hz to 7000hz | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | so if the carrier freq was 1GHz, you can downconvert that to 1MHz, because the information is only max 14KHz wide (7000 Hz * 2 because of something called sideband symmetry) | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | and you don't lose anything | 23:34 |
| * nsh exhibits groklust | 23:36 | |
| skorket | nmz787, have you had dealings with Advanced Liquid Logic? | 23:38 |
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| nmz787 | skorket: no, are you considering it? | 23:45 |
| skorket | no, just curious | 23:45 |
| skorket | they do seem to have a cool product | 23:45 |
| kanzure | "from within function "Revision::fetchRow". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'rev_len' in 'field list' (localhost)"" | 23:45 |
| skorket | not that I'm any authority | 23:45 |
| kanzure | so i guess i need something from before mediawiki-1.11 | 23:46 |
| nmz787 | skorket: I wish they had cooler products :P | 23:47 |
| skorket | what is your critique of their product? | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | but i guess i want to build a cooler thing, so i'm actually glad they aren't building them | 23:48 |
| nmz787 | specifically a gene/episome DNA synthesizer and electroporator | 23:48 |
| skorket | I only see two products which don't have anything to do with DNA synthesis. Am I misreading it? | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | nope | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | i'm saying what I want to build | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | could also be a product | 23:51 |
| skorket | ah, and what they don't have or offer | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: kanzure: can I use a single apache instance to serve two sub folders to 2 separate domains? | 23:52 |
| nsh | yes | 23:53 |
| kanzure | yep. | 23:54 |
| kanzure | gnusha.org diyhpl.us and a bunch of other lame-ass domains are all served up by the same apache 2instance | 23:54 |
| kanzure | *apache2 | 23:54 |
| kanzure | oh heybryan.org | 23:55 |
| kanzure | and fennetic.net | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | how do I do that? | 23:55 |
| kanzure | you bug me or jrayhawk to edit some file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ | 23:55 |
| kanzure | you can look at those files to see some examples fo how this magic works | 23:56 |
| kanzure | (on gnusha) | 23:56 |
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