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| yashgaroth | sure, but you could do it on weekends or something | 00:00 |
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| tashou | mmmm... | 00:00 |
| tashou | Ok | 00:00 |
| tashou | step by step, | 00:00 |
| tashou | let me try to find out some ideas | 00:00 |
| tashou | to yashgaroth: I have to meet the professor now | 00:01 |
| tashou | see you latter | 00:01 |
| tashou | :) | 00:01 |
| yashgaroth | good luck! | 00:01 |
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| nsh | that was nice (tashou) | 01:17 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how do we scrape things like this? I can't skip through the video without being signed in, and the trial period seems to be ending on sept 1 http://www.jove.com/video/2090/generation-of-transgenic-c-elegans-by-biolistic-transformation | 01:26 |
| nsh | what is it? | 01:29 |
| * nsh wonders if he has institutional access | 01:31 | |
| nmz787 | you can watch it | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | no access needed | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | but i cant skip to minute 8 | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | i have to watch the whole thing | 01:34 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: where would the best place to host a repo of partsregisty? throw an interface on that to get new parts in from academic papers, and search/display | 02:00 |
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| nmz787 | i.e. off-shore DNAz | 02:01 |
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| nsh | kanzure, i want to play with your pyphantom.js | 02:52 |
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| nsh | pyphantomjs isn't found by pip | 03:19 |
| nsh | gnusha paste? | 03:30 |
| nsh | kanzure, http://paste.lisp.org/display/130916 (pyphantomjs br0k) | 03:40 |
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| delinquentme | any thoughts on making a shaker with porous materials? | 06:36 |
| delinquentme | I know spilling things on it would be bad | 06:36 |
| delinquentme | or should I just ensure that everything is sealed? | 06:37 |
| ThomasEgi | sealing never hurts. | 06:38 |
| delinquentme | ThomasEgi, any ideas on what might be a non-reactive sealant that I could brush on? | 06:42 |
| ThomasEgi | brush on? | 06:43 |
| ThomasEgi | what exactly do you plan to shake? | 06:43 |
| ThomasEgi | or.. do you want to shake porous material? | 06:44 |
| delinquentme | yeah like to seal the concrete | 06:44 |
| delinquentme | nahh concrete slabs as ballast | 06:44 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. i would've said simply put it in a sealed container and shake that. | 06:45 |
| ThomasEgi | but that's probably not what you want | 06:45 |
| delinquentme | well id *love* to use the concrete just unsealed | 06:45 |
| delinquentme | but I dont think you make plans to spill what one would be shaking | 06:45 |
| delinquentme | additionally it would be nice to just simply wipe it clean | 06:46 |
| ThomasEgi | it appears that i am lacking the neccessary information on what exactly you want to shake, and what volume, in order to give useful advice | 06:49 |
| delinquentme | ThomasEgi, actually its less about what to shake ... and more "home improvement" type things | 06:50 |
| delinquentme | " How do I seal concrete with a non-reactive substance? " | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | is really the question | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | ... and what substance to use | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | my first guess would be polymers | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | or something like epoxyd | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | i was thinking silicon | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | that'd also be a possibility. but my guess would be epoxy is easier to get and work with | 06:52 |
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| delinquentme | anyone in here know about patients like me? | 07:54 |
| delinquentme | I'm wondering if they're paying competitive salaries | 07:55 |
| delinquentme | jmil, have you thought about building it out with perf board on the top? | 08:08 |
| delinquentme | I'm wondering about the best ways to affix things to the platform... and perfboard and wire harnesses seem like a really cheap option | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | http://www.labdepotinc.com/Product_Details~id~648~pid~60383.aspx?gclid=CIW_uemo2LECFcTd4AodwSkAEQ | 08:13 |
| delinquentme | wayy to costsly | 08:13 |
| delinquentme | costly*8 | 08:13 |
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| jmil | delinquentme: dunno. we just ordered a planar orbital shaker, found one for $650 so I guess we will just be using that one. It would probably be more than $650 to do the correct amount of R&D on this size of scale-up, so we pulled the trigger when we saw one this cheap (more than 4x less expensive than what we had previously seen). | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | thats so nuts | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | how long did it take to get that approved? | 09:39 |
| kanzure | nmz787: the video is here: | 09:41 |
| kanzure | nmz787: http://www.jove.com/video/2090/generation-of-transgenic-c-elegans-by-biolistic-transformation | 09:41 |
| kanzure | oops | 09:41 |
| kanzure | http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/2090_Fisher_081910_F2_Web.mov | 09:41 |
| kanzure | nmz787: we can host a copy of partsregistry on gnusha, sure.. | 09:42 |
| kanzure | nsh: the original author of pyphantomjs removed it from pip because he was angry | 09:42 |
| kanzure | nsh: perhaps you are not using the right version of pyqt4? | 09:43 |
| * nsh checks | 09:43 | |
| nsh | heh, why was he angry? | 09:43 |
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| nsh | hey yashgaroth | 09:44 |
| yashgaroth | hello | 09:44 |
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| kanzure | nsh: because he had life things happen | 09:48 |
| kanzure | nsh: he deleted it from pypi and deleted the pyphantomjs repository | 09:49 |
| kanzure | i had to do lots and lots of recon work to find pyphantomjs.git | 09:49 |
| nsh | ok | 09:49 |
| kanzure | hrm, so, someone posted a ticket about pypi being broked | 09:50 |
| nsh | it was sbp | 09:51 |
| nsh | i've explained | 09:51 |
| kanzure | sbp? | 09:51 |
| nsh | from #swhack | 09:51 |
| nsh | wrote phenny | 09:51 |
| nsh | the python irc bot | 09:51 |
| kanzure | nsh: there's also #phantomjs | 09:52 |
| kanzure | realistically i don't have time to support both nanoengineer and pyphantomjs but i sort of need pyphantomjs for my scraping adventures | 09:53 |
| nsh | mmm | 09:55 |
| kanzure | oh i should convert the nanoengineer mediawiki before i forget about media2iki | 10:01 |
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| delinquentme | jmil, that was to you =] | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, nsh yashgaroth what do you guys know about the purchasing cycle of labs | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | and is it less strict when dealing with private companies? | 10:14 |
| yashgaroth | kind of a broad question | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | like say I called up some local chemistry company | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | like 50 employees | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | how soon could they place an order ( if i had something they wanted ) | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, well thats bc i know little about it... | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | =] | 10:14 |
| * nsh never dealt with procurement | 10:14 | |
| yashgaroth | uh 5 minutes to 3 months? | 10:15 |
| yashgaroth | depends what it costs, how bad they need it, did they solicit it or are you cold-calling | 10:15 |
| yashgaroth | will you include a free ipad with purchase etc | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | lol | 10:25 |
| delinquentme | oh wait. | 10:25 |
| delinquentme | thats not a funny. | 10:25 |
| delinquentme | but not everywhere is subject to 2 month long purchase times in which they *only* buy stuff during that time? | 10:26 |
| yashgaroth | if it's to augment capacity or is just an improvement on an existing piece of equipment, you might need to wait a quarter | 10:28 |
| yashgaroth | and if it's reagents they need, they won't really wait since they have to order those | 10:29 |
| yashgaroth | the 2-month window is probably more likely in academic labs but I have little experience there | 10:30 |
| yashgaroth | then again if you're burning VC money there's no reason to wait...if you've got a small/steady income then there's more quarterly waiting | 10:31 |
| jmil | delinquentme: whut? | 10:32 |
| jmil | delinquentme: what was to me? | 10:32 |
| delinquentme | How long did the purchase take to get approved | 10:32 |
| delinquentme | questionmark. | 10:32 |
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| jmil | delinquentme: oh it was about 2 weeks to get approved. sorry, i'm around the lab. u gotta ping me each time with specific questions if you want a response :D | 11:00 |
| kanzure | http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3177438/cyborg-america-biohackers-grinders-body-hackers | 11:00 |
| kanzure | ughh magnetic implant wankers strike again | 11:01 |
| kanzure | "There is another strain of | 11:01 |
| kanzure | biohacking which focuses on the possibilities for DIY genetics, but their | 11:01 |
| kanzure | work is far more theoretical than the hands on experiments performed by | 11:01 |
| kanzure | grinders." | 11:01 |
| kanzure | what the fuck? biocurious/genspace is real, you know.. | 11:01 |
| delinquentme | noted! | 11:02 |
| yashgaroth | "but I’m an idiot working in the name of progress" eurgh | 11:16 |
| kanzure | that seems somewhat immature | 11:21 |
| yashgaroth | well it is lepht :V | 11:22 |
| nsh | being concerned with how journalists understand things can be an early symptom of srs bsns | 11:27 |
| yashgaroth | well props to the journalist for getting an implant I guess | 11:42 |
| kanzure | that's like a reporter reporting on prostitution and becoming a prostitute to make it "more authentic" | 11:42 |
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| eudoxia | well at least the comments don't seem too negative | 12:25 |
| eudoxia | i guess hurr durr fucking magnets is better than hurr dur religious millenialist nerd religion | 12:26 |
| nsh | kanzure, upgrading half my system to get the right python-qt4 | 12:28 |
| nsh | hopefully not everything breaks | 12:28 |
| nsh | but fuck debian stable repos anyway | 12:28 |
| nsh | YOLO | 12:28 |
| ThomasEgi | YOLO but you still gotta backup your data! | 12:32 |
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| nsh | true | 12:33 |
| kanzure | nsh: you could consider using a chroot or virtualenv, btw.. | 12:33 |
| * nsh nods | 12:34 | |
| nsh | this is a very temporary install anyway | 12:34 |
| eudoxia | i run nanoengineer in a WinXP VM because I'm a lazy bum | 12:34 |
| nsh | basically until i can be bothered to take apart my own laptop and replace a fuse | 12:34 |
| nsh | should have checked df before starting upgrade | 12:37 |
| nsh | lol | 12:37 |
| nsh | think i may have scraped through | 12:37 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: he's talking about pyphantomjs not nanoengineer | 12:44 |
| eudoxia | oh | 12:44 |
| eudoxia | i saw python-qt4 and instantly thought nanoengineer :) | 12:44 |
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| AdrienG | wat r u engineering | 14:20 |
| nmz787 | ? | 14:22 |
| AdrienG | in nanoengineer | 14:29 |
| kanzure | ? | 14:39 |
| yashgaroth | molecules | 14:43 |
| nmz787 | awesomeness | 14:46 |
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| Juul | hi guys | 15:17 |
| Juul | finally back in the u.s. | 15:17 |
| kanzure | Juul: how was the trip? | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i think my local copy of nanoengineer has some code weirdness that i screwed up, how do i pull the last gitted version from github? | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | i have a master and a ubuntu-fixes branch on my github | 15:46 |
| kanzure | type "git status" to figure out which branch you are presently on | 15:46 |
| nmz787 | on ubuntu-fizes | 15:47 |
| kanzure | if you are on ubuntufixes, then type "git checkout master" which should not have that code weirdness | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | fixes | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | so that will overwrite my current files with the last uploaded ubuntu-fixes? | 15:47 |
| kanzure | once you are on master, you can pull from me (i think i am "origin" for you, but you can check with git remote -vvv) | 15:47 |
| kanzure | uhm, well, no | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | (i want to get the last rev of ubuntu fizes | 15:48 |
| kanzure | oh | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | i think i did some weird stuff after my last commit | 15:48 |
| kanzure | and you're saying that your current ubuntu-fixes branch has some new stuff that you don't want? | 15:48 |
| kanzure | ok so if you want to throw away your changes, type git reset --hard | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | right | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | that's it? | 15:49 |
| kanzure | you can also use "git status" before you do that to see which files have been changed. after git reset --hard then "git status" should show no files changed. | 15:49 |
| kanzure | "I was just visting ATX last night, john mentioned that you previously tried to import a laser cutter from china, but it was assessed at a value much higher than what you bought it for, and therefore taxes on it were higher than the actual cost of the equipment." | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | hmm it appears i hadn't changed anything since my last commit | 15:50 |
| kanzure | nmz787: and you're still on the right branch? | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 15:51 |
| kanzure | you can also type "git branch -a" to see other branches and iirc it might identify which one you are presently on | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | hm, last i remember my fixes would at least allow nanoengineer's GUI to start and appear | 15:52 |
| nmz787 | maybe some lib changed on me | 15:52 |
| nmz787 | i did an apt-get update since i last messed with this code, i can't remember if the update went through or not | 15:53 |
| kanzure | this is why i run nanoengineer in a chroot | 15:54 |
| kanzure | nmz787: did you try the chroot before and not like it? | 15:55 |
| kanzure | i mean, if you can get nanoengineer to work on a modern system without that, then more power to you.. | 15:55 |
| kanzure | nmz787: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/#installing | 16:00 |
| kanzure | and then inside you can do "apt-get dist-upgrade" and then see what broked | 16:01 |
| kanzure | nmz787: did you get the link i gave earlier for that jove video? http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/2090_Fisher_081910_F2_Web.mov | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 16:22 |
| nmz787 | no i'm not doing the chroot thing | 16:22 |
| nmz787 | does anyone in here work at Intel, or used to in the past? | 16:23 |
| jrayhawk | I think bkero does | 16:23 |
| jrayhawk | jblake also knows a lot about intel corporate | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | faceintel.com doesn't paint a pretty picture | 16:24 |
| bkero | what now? | 16:24 |
| bkero | I worked there back in 2008 | 16:24 |
| bkero | I have friends that work there now | 16:24 |
| jrayhawk | yes, intel is structured to run on weird corporate processes that are generally hostile to sane, self-motivated people | 16:30 |
| jrayhawk | by and large these processes are not disastrously awful *unless* you're in a software group | 16:30 |
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| nmz787 | bkero: my gf is getting an offer (this week i think) from jones farm campus... she'll be a RCG (recent college graduate) in some security area there | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | (if she takes it) | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | product security | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | but yeah she's a pretty sane person IMO, so will she hate herself after a few months? | 16:33 |
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| kanzure | cutbert: hi | 16:43 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: hello | 16:43 |
| cutbert | Oh hello | 16:43 |
| Juul | kanzure, it was pretty great | 16:47 |
| Juul | well, except for the bureaucracy I had to deal with and having to buy a new ticket back because my visa didn't arrive when promised | 16:48 |
| bkero | nmz787: She'll feel like they're overpaying her, and that she doesn't want to rock the boat | 16:55 |
| bkero | and that her efforts are fruitless | 16:55 |
| kanzure | bkero your jobs sound miserable | 16:56 |
| bkero | kanzure: That's Intel, not my job. | 16:56 |
| Juul | kanzure, how has your summer been? | 16:59 |
| bkero | I'm heading down to Texas in a few weeks. San Antonio. | 16:59 |
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| kanzure | pretty nice.. just lots of scraping | 16:59 |
| * kanzure goes to find food | 16:59 | |
| the_merlin | hi kanzure! | 17:04 |
| the_merlin | whoa, you guys' logs are hardcore | 17:05 |
| yashgaroth | loggin' 24/7 that's how we do | 17:10 |
| the_merlin | haha | 17:10 |
| the_merlin | public, well-categorized loggin'! that's what I'm talkin about | 17:10 |
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| kanzure | the_merlin: what brings you here? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | bkero: well, maybe stop by austin for a few hours | 17:20 |
| n_bentha | kanzure, are we any closer to living forever? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: why are you asking /me/ that | 17:23 |
| n_bentha | because i haven't been on the up and up about humanity plus for the past half-year | 17:23 |
| kanzure | don't associate me with humanityplus | 17:23 |
| kanzure | i regret every second of that | 17:24 |
| n_bentha | 0.o sorry? | 17:24 |
| kanzure | that org isn't participating in research or hardware projects | 17:24 |
| n_bentha | what do you associate with now then? | 17:24 |
| n_bentha | i was going to purse a line of questioning about why the human race should live longer lifespans | 17:24 |
| bkero | kanzure: I'm only in town for a few hours :( Austin might be a bit far away | 17:24 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: do you mean transhumanism in general, or the non-profit organization known as "humanity plus" | 17:25 |
| n_bentha | transhumanism in general | 17:25 |
| kanzure | ok. i don't think it's important to look at the median lifespan of the human race as a whole, that seems overly broad.. | 17:25 |
| kanzure | i mean, it's certainly sad that people die, but if they don't want to live that's another story | 17:26 |
| brownies | why do you regret every second of it? | 17:26 |
| brownies | didn't they give you some sweet-sounding title? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | brownies: it was just a terribly ineffective organization | 17:26 |
| kanzure | their core beliefs weren't actually shared among the board members | 17:27 |
| kanzure | and nothing was in sync | 17:27 |
| n_bentha | but is there something to be gained from living longer? or is it just about avoiding death because it's scary and makes people sad? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | ugh | 17:29 |
| kanzure | why do i have to convince you | 17:29 |
| yashgaroth | n_bentha, take out "longer" from that statement and read it again | 17:30 |
| n_bentha | yashgaroth! :D | 17:31 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: why are you scared of death? | 17:31 |
| n_bentha | i'm not. i was just saying that because it seems to be the general opinion of many 'mericans | 17:31 |
| kanzure | if that was true, then longevity research would have much more funding. | 17:31 |
| kanzure | i don't think that "being scared of death" is a necessary prereq to wanting to decide how long you live | 17:32 |
| n_bentha | i guess there are a bunch of people who don't really contribute to society | 17:34 |
| kanzure | that is a separate issue | 17:34 |
| n_bentha | and having them live 10000 years is kind of pointless? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | it's pointless to you | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | i suggest you make a society where that isn't true | 17:34 |
| the_merlin | kanzure: a friend was asking about biohacking channels, and I like cyborgs | 17:34 |
| the_merlin | rather, I want to build them :) | 17:35 |
| kanzure | but, if you try to murder people out there in the universe just for the hell fo it because they are useless to you, i bet people will stop you | 17:35 |
| brownies | does this channel get a lot of nuts? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | brownies: yes :( | 17:35 |
| kanzure | brownies: lots of fucking redditors | 17:35 |
| brownies | ahh, reddit | 17:35 |
| kanzure | "the steaming asshole of the internet.. at least before you get to 420chan" | 17:35 |
| the_merlin | man, I want to live a long time because there is SO MUCH TO DO | 17:36 |
| the_merlin | and so much to explore | 17:36 |
| brownies | they're like the seagulls of the internet... hilarious from a distance and in small doses, but you can't leave too many bread crumbs out for them, or they'll swarm you | 17:36 |
| n_bentha | lol i didn't say anything about murdering people! i was just saying if we put our resoursces to keep some people alive...then it'd be better to select those that contribute and are good people--not the criminally insane | 17:36 |
| brownies | just came up with that analogy, but i think it has potential | 17:36 |
| the_merlin | hahaha reddit, the friend that has all the awesome new toys but slaps you in the face at random intervals | 17:36 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: well, if you want to make a society where that's true, go for it | 17:36 |
| kanzure | i might even join such a society | 17:36 |
| kanzure | but i wouldn't want you to become the holy Decider | 17:36 |
| kanzure | for all people everywhere | 17:36 |
| n_bentha | LOL | 17:36 |
| the_merlin | n_bentha: wouldn't that same argument apply to all of medicine? | 17:36 |
| the_merlin | seems like it's up to society to apply restrictions | 17:37 |
| the_merlin | most of us are probably in a life situation where we can self-select to be part of the test group, rather than picking world leaders to experiment on | 17:37 |
| n_bentha | i was just thinking of a hypothetical case of limited resources where you COULD only keep one or two people alive forever...tons of people would want to live forever.... | 17:38 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: have you read neverness? it discusses some of the issues of exponential replication | 17:39 |
| yashgaroth | that's kind of an unrealistic scenario, it's not like sacrificing thousands of psykers to keep the emperor going | 17:39 |
| n_bentha | lmao | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i don't see why you are concerned about living forever, and not exponential replication and renewing populations | 17:39 |
| the_merlin | n_bentha: that seems like it would push more scientists to develop alternatives that weren't limited | 17:39 |
| kanzure | like, two people? who cares.. you should be more concerned about 10^10^10^10 births/year | 17:39 |
| the_merlin | aargh, I'd hope that infertility would at least set in at some point | 17:41 |
| the_merlin | or the people self-selecting to live forever would conform to the trend of higher education --> less babymaking | 17:41 |
| kanzure | why is babymaking bad | 17:41 |
| kanzure | for all you know, there's a planet a bajillion lightyears away that also has overpopulation - but you don't seem to be getting anxious about that one | 17:42 |
| brownies | soon, we'll be able to put people on the moon | 17:42 |
| brownies | and Mars | 17:42 |
| brownies | so that should clear up some space | 17:42 |
| kanzure | brownies: i think habitats are probably more economical? | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i mean, good job geniuses.. leave one gravity well for another one, fuck | 17:42 |
| brownies | stop ruining my fantasy wonderland of dyson spheres and interplanetary BART shuttles | 17:43 |
| n_bentha | i want to make babies... | 17:43 |
| n_bentha | raising kids is a fufilling experience. | 17:44 |
| kanzure | ok? | 17:44 |
| yashgaroth | get a cat or something | 17:44 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: one trillion lightyears from here, there's 1 person who has lived for 10,000 years doing nothing. does this make you mad? | 17:44 |
| the_merlin | kanzure: well, naturally I'm not getting anxious about the hypothetical overpopulation of a planet I don't live on, but largely I just don't like babies :) | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ah very well then | 17:46 |
| the_merlin | once we get onto other planets, we can just set up a nursery on Saturn and banish them or whatever :) | 17:46 |
| kanzure | sounds good to me | 17:46 |
| the_merlin | or, y'know, a solid planet -_-' | 17:46 |
| the_merlin | man when I was a kid, I hated the idea of death. I prayed that, instead of dying, people would just continue to grow larger and larger | 17:47 |
| brownies | probably have to bring a couple space heaters for Saturn | 17:47 |
| brownies | hehe... space heater... | 17:47 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: sounds impractical | 17:47 |
| the_merlin | and then they would get too big for the world, and God would come and take them away in a spaceship to another planet for larger people | 17:47 |
| the_merlin | and so on | 17:47 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ welcome to the fold | 17:47 |
| the_merlin | I think Mary Poppins made me think this?? | 17:48 |
| the_merlin | kanzure: whoa whoa whoa, I'm delighted by biology but I can just barely follow Aubrey de Grey :) | 17:49 |
| kanzure | aubrey ain't got shit on this | 17:49 |
| the_merlin | do you know which of those would be most newbie-friendly? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/aubrey.jpg | 17:49 |
| n_bentha | .kanzure: no it doesn't make me mad that they did nothing | 17:49 |
| kanzure | well, i would say the text files | 17:49 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: you said earlier that you were upset by people living and not doing things that you like? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | so why is that different? ;) | 17:50 |
| the_merlin | I'm largely just a cyborg fangirl. I'm building robots and preparing for the day when I have the right resources to make vanity prosthetics | 17:50 |
| n_bentha | i didn't say that | 17:50 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: ah, well, we are biased against fans in here. | 17:50 |
| kanzure | but you're certainly welcome to hang around i guess | 17:50 |
| kanzure | i mean, if you actually do work on robots, that is | 17:51 |
| n_bentha | lol, where's that guy that wanted to grow wings and fly? | 17:51 |
| kanzure | i think we sacked him | 17:52 |
| n_bentha | lol, he was so funny | 17:52 |
| n_bentha | grade A troll, that one | 17:52 |
| the_merlin | dude yeah, by "fangirl" I mean I love them, but also I'm working to make them | 17:52 |
| the_merlin | I build robots with a couple of groups already :D | 17:53 |
| the_merlin | and I'm learning the programming to take it further | 17:53 |
| kanzure | i see | 17:53 |
| the_merlin | I plan to build and install wearable augmentations for myself | 17:53 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: what do you think of something like this? http://fennetic.net/irc/cyberfenn/hplus_proposal/ | 17:53 |
| n_bentha | that's cool, merlin :) would like to see some of your stuff | 17:54 |
| the_merlin | I'm a lot more comfortable strapping on machines I built, rather than trusting myself to alter my inner chemical balances or do DIY surgery like fingermagnetguy :/ | 17:54 |
| kanzure | fingermagnetguy is annoying | 17:54 |
| the_merlin | I'm not risking gangrene if my shit fails | 17:55 |
| the_merlin | n_bentha: I'm most interested in that last point -- "coping with age-related sensory and memory degradation" -- and also SUPERPOWERZ!! | 17:55 |
| the_merlin | because who doesn't want IR/UV/etc. augmented vision | 17:56 |
| the_merlin | who doesn't want to hear their first date's pulse | 17:56 |
| the_merlin | who doesn't want to be able to track broad data while they're dreaming | 17:56 |
| the_merlin | ...quite a lot of people, probably, but SUPERPOWERZ!! | 17:57 |
| kanzure | i think it's not fair to call these things superpowers, i'd be careful :P | 17:57 |
| kanzure | i mean, augmentations sure do seem like superpowers sometimes | 17:57 |
| kanzure | but a magnet in your finger.. is not a superpower | 17:57 |
| the_merlin | Haha, not fair to whom? | 17:57 |
| kanzure | to me, or people who have to endure the constant onslaught of redditors asking about glowing their cats | 17:57 |
| the_merlin | Oh no, I think there are way cooler things to do. And it's a tongue-in-cheek designation anyway :) | 17:57 |
| the_merlin | Or glowing cats | 17:57 |
| the_merlin | but things that are actually useful powers | 17:57 |
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| n_bentha | oh god, not more cats | 17:58 |
| the_merlin | built-in IR vision would be pretty annoying if you couldn't shut it off | 17:58 |
| the_merlin | you'd get blasted by those security cameras, and TV remotes, and god knows what else | 17:58 |
| kanzure | are you a biologist? | 17:58 |
| the_merlin | nope! Spanish major and robot enthusiast | 17:59 |
| kanzure | i mean, the molecular engineering required to switch proteins in the corneas on/off is pretty difficult | 17:59 |
| kanzure | and the eye is already a rather sophisticated construct | 17:59 |
| the_merlin | my HS bio teacher turned me off of studying it, but I love learning about brains | 17:59 |
| yashgaroth | retinal IR vision is more a problem of noise from your, y'know, body heat | 17:59 |
| the_merlin | yeah, I prefer wearables | 17:59 |
| n_bentha | inject the siRNA, problem solved | 17:59 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: i don't think that's what she means :P | 18:00 |
| AdrienG | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25354 | 18:00 |
| AdrienG | :< | 18:00 |
| the_merlin | yashgaroth: I guess it depends on how far into the IR spectrum you go... near-IR stuff like you can get from cheap digicams doesn't pick up much thermal emission | 18:00 |
| the_merlin | I guess I'm much closer to working on the "cyb" part, and less on the "org" | 18:00 |
| the_merlin | which is fine | 18:01 |
| n_bentha | the japanese space agency needs to step up on the electrodynamic propulsion for LEO | 18:01 |
| yashgaroth | yeah but near-IR sucks | 18:01 |
| yashgaroth | UV is where it's at yo | 18:01 |
| n_bentha | what would u see w/ uv vision, yashgaroth? | 18:01 |
| n_bentha | other than shit from the sun? | 18:01 |
| yashgaroth | who cares when you can see at night with an invisible UV lamp | 18:02 |
| yashgaroth | also flower patterns | 18:02 |
| n_bentha | tru, tru. | 18:03 |
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| superkuh | You don't need biological alteration to see UV. Just get a cornea replacement made of something UV transparent. | 18:04 |
| yashgaroth | you have an even narrower definition of 'biological alteration' than I | 18:05 |
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| superkuh | http://www.komar.org/faq/colorado-cataract-surgery-crystalens/ultra-violet-color-glow/ | 18:06 |
| yashgaroth | maybe once I can fit a couple other mods into the intro-ocular lens | 18:09 |
| the_merlin | n_bentha: here's some relevant stuff I've made | 18:19 |
| the_merlin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Gu7UqqKYk | 18:20 |
| the_merlin | (wearable qwerty keyboard; hugely impractical) | 18:20 |
| kanzure | hah | 18:20 |
| the_merlin | http://www.alexglow.com/musical-cyborg-juggling-apparatus/ - wearable juggling/electronic instrument harness thingy; also useless :D | 18:21 |
| the_merlin | I also worked on an actual useful thing: http://www.geekazine.com/video-pod/eyes-demand-helps-blind-people-demo-2012-video | 18:21 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: make me go faster http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 18:21 |
| the_merlin | well, the keyboard would've taken forever to learn, and the main benefit was that it was anti-carpal-tunnel-syndrome | 18:21 |
| joshcryer | Interesting superkuh, my mom had that surgery. | 18:22 |
| the_merlin | encouraged natural hand position, good posture, & all that | 18:22 |
| joshcryer | I should have her tell me what's up. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | the_merlin: i am also interested in keyboards for my feet, because i seem to have maxed out hand-based input | 18:22 |
| the_merlin | dude! that is an awesome UV effect! I want to learn more about tetrachromats and how they see, as well | 18:22 |
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| the_merlin | kanzure: why not get into leapmotion and turn it all into sign language recognition? | 18:24 |
| the_merlin | you could go way faster :D | 18:24 |
| kanzure | i'm not convinced that sign language recognition can happen faster than 12ms | 18:24 |
| the_merlin | AND exercise your arms (everyone who complains about it stressing your muscles is a wuss) | 18:24 |
| the_merlin | AND look like minority report guy, which is what all gestural control interface people jizz over | 18:24 |
| kanzure | or, i'm not convinced about 200 wpm signing, but i'd be happy to be shown wrong | 18:25 |
| the_merlin | fr srs | 18:25 |
| the_merlin | oh, sure... I mainly like sign langauge 'cause it exercises your muscles and teaches you to communicate with a whole new set of people | 18:25 |
| * AlonzoTG uses a dvorak layout on a MS natural keyboard. | 18:25 | |
| kanzure | the_merlin: people are terrible and you should stop talking to them | 18:25 |
| the_merlin | like, as long as you're learning a new method of input, why not use one that has other benefits? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | well, why learn it if it sucks so much? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | signers should just type instead | 18:26 |
| the_merlin | what do you mean, if it sucks so much? I like the exercise & communication factors | 18:26 |
| the_merlin | it's really cool to look at, way more interesting than typing :) | 18:26 |
| kanzure | um... | 18:26 |
| kanzure | well i'm not seeing any wpm reports but i bet it's <200wpm | 18:26 |
| yashgaroth | I'd like to see you code using interpretive dance | 18:27 |
| kanzure | i wouldn't | 18:27 |
| kanzure | fuck. | 18:27 |
| yashgaroth | that's exactly why I'd like to see it :V | 18:27 |
| the_merlin | well, each person has their own idea of a "better" typing system; I prioritize systems that encourage my arms' health and have side benefits, and you clearly prioritize speed, and someone else might prioritize the amount of noise they can make with a specially-designed keyboard :) | 18:28 |
| kanzure | if you want arm health you should exercise | 18:28 |
| the_merlin | I hate exercise for exercise's sake | 18:28 |
| kanzure | ok then why do you prioritize it | 18:28 |
| the_merlin | I'd rather work it into stuff I already do | 18:28 |
| the_merlin | instead of being all "OK let's exercise now", I can make it just happen on its own | 18:29 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to provide any benefit to typing | 18:29 |
| kanzure | or, er, data input | 18:29 |
| the_merlin | with a properly developed system (which I'll work on as soon as I have the Leap unit), it wouldn't harm it either | 18:29 |
| the_merlin | unless you're prioritizing speed, I guess | 18:30 |
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| the_merlin | so if it's a net zero impact, I might as well increase my arm strength while being a desk jockey | 18:30 |
| the_merlin | if you hate yoga ball chair people, start hating now because that's how I keep myself from dying of a computer job | 18:31 |
| the_merlin | that shit is terrible for you, and if you're into longevity, it should be a concern | 18:31 |
| the_merlin | I don't mind looking silly by waving my arms around, if it means I never get carpal tunnel syndrome | 18:32 |
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| yashgaroth | no way am I living forever if I don't look cool doing it | 18:35 |
| the_merlin | hahaha | 18:35 |
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| the_merlin | I'm leaving it to the bio people to fix longevity; since I don't have the expertise or desire to experiment on my own biology, I'm working to make my old age stronger, less painful, and more enjoyable | 18:36 |
| the_merlin | (well, and my young age as well) | 18:36 |
| the_merlin | Proteus: what sort of stuff do you get up to? | 18:37 |
| the_merlin | Wait a sec, are you associated with the Proteus ingestible-sensor people? | 18:37 |
| the_merlin | 'cause that shit is BADASS. | 18:37 |
| yashgaroth | I don't think he is | 18:44 |
| delinquentme | TIL | 18:51 |
| delinquentme | thats very cool | 18:51 |
| delinquentme | powered by exposure to stomach fluids. | 18:51 |
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| nmz787 | i think we saw those ingestible sensor people at a quantified self meetup once | 19:11 |
| nmz787 | also UV vision seems kinda pointless, unless you could tell me the concentration of some DNA and protein... seems like getting MORE UV into your eye would just be damaging | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | NIR much less so | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | well that's just, like, your opinion, man | 19:13 |
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| eudoxia | kanzure, where does neverness discuss the issues with exponential replication? | 19:15 |
| eudoxia | all I remember is a mention of "ten thousand planets consumed by [bacterial] assemblers" | 19:15 |
| eudoxia | and the whole ban on KSRMs | 19:15 |
| kanzure | the sequels talk about exponential replication in the vild | 19:15 |
| eudoxia | oh, i thought you were talking about neverness specifically | 19:15 |
| kanzure | so did i, i forgot | 19:16 |
| eudoxia | although | 19:16 |
| eudoxia | the end of neverness, i think, mentions the Architects' habitats and their bajillions of babies, but not by name, I think | 19:16 |
| eudoxia | they are only referred to as part of the Cybernetic Universal Church in The Broken God | 19:16 |
| kanzure | oh so you have read things | 19:17 |
| eudoxia | yes | 19:17 |
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| nmz787 | so i think i scared some alibaba people with my "great" knowledge of spectrometers.... they quoted me $2200 for a spectrometer and didn't get back to me after I told them I could get one from Canada for $749... and that I knew how much their electronics cost to build | 19:29 |
| kanzure | or they just realized they weren't going to get a sale out of you | 19:29 |
| the_merlin | nmz787: it's more a matter of having the cones there to detect and process UV, rather than gathering more of it | 19:31 |
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| nmz787 | the_merlin: there was a post earlier that mentioned getting more of it via a cornea replacement | 19:34 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i woulda bought one if they had a good price | 19:34 |
| nmz787 | I'm not sure what it means when China's prices are higher than Canada's | 19:34 |
| yashgaroth | I suppose if the body heat emission spectrum is minimal at a range just above normal eye detection, it could work, but then I don't know if any organisms detect such a wavelength in nature | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | specifically in their eyeballs, not those snake heat sensing pits | 19:36 |
| nmz787 | body heat is higher up in the micron wavelengths | 19:40 |
| nmz787 | not nm | 19:40 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_sensing_in_snakes | 19:42 |
| nmz787 | says 5-30 microns is what snakes can 'see' | 19:42 |
| nmz787 | and its not photochemical, its a temp sensitive ion channel | 19:42 |
| brownies | why are you shopping for spectrometers on alibaba? | 19:42 |
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| nmz787 | brownies: because I don't want to build one myself for $300 plus time (which I've already invested a lot into)... and I don't want to pay $749 to some Canadian... | 19:43 |
| yashgaroth | well I suppose you could do active night vision with an emitter/sensor combo in the 8-900nm range but that'd be electronic so I'll leave it to others | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | If I could pay china $400 or $500 I'd be happy, because in either 'buying' case I'd have to hack their software | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | and possibly firmware | 19:43 |
| brownies | ah. just curious. | 19:44 |
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| nmz787 | brownies: really though I think I'm going to end up experimenting with mounting optics myself and eventually just know how to do it all on my own | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | at least for a UV/VIS spectrometer | 19:46 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what was the puzzle piece you were looking for regarding math for aligning optical pieces? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | or it was something about figuring out which optical pieces to buy? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | since postdocs are so cheap, i think if you outline the problem in a 1 or 2 page doc, we can just pay a postdoc to write some code to solve the problem for $200 - $300 since their time seems so cheap | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | a postdoc that doesn't have work? | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | i dont think post docs outside bio are cheap | 19:57 |
| kanzure | huh? no it can be one that does have work | 19:57 |
| kanzure | $300 isn't a fulltime job :) | 19:57 |
| kanzure | oh are you sure? | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | no, but its my gut feeling | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | optics would be engineering, and those guys fresh outta B.S. make at least 2 -3 X more than a bio B.S. | 19:58 |
| yashgaroth | lot fewer engineering grad students than bio | 19:58 |
| kanzure | optics would be the physics nerds in grad school | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | i think bio paying low has something to do with bio being associated with "doesn't know math" | 19:59 |
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| nmz787 | i'm no math champion, but there were many people in my program that were way worse at math | 20:00 |
| yashgaroth | and the hordes of students who like plants and animals and stuff | 20:00 |
| kanzure | fucking plants | 20:00 |
| yashgaroth | they go from "oh I'd like to be a whale biologist" to "oh I can be shitty at bio for low pay" rather fast | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | yeah that too | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | cause the japs are eatin all the whales, takin the whale biologists' jobs | 20:02 |
| yashgaroth | dey terk ar wherls | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | :P | 20:04 |
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| the_merlin | yashgaroth: hahaha | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | "This is misleading. Named anchors have been deprecated since HTML4 and replaced with element IDs. (Yes, that's right: you can link to any element with a href="#thing" as long as it has id="thing". Yes, it works everywhere.)" | 21:09 |
| kanzure | doh | 21:09 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/080812-open-source-movements-butt-heads-over-261484.html ha ha oh bruce perens | 22:36 |
| kanzure | this wasn't bruce perens related afaik | 22:36 |
| kanzure | oshwa doesn't really act on behalf of the entire open source hardware community.. they were just able to get the biggest conference the fastest because they are make magazine and adafruit and sparkfun | 22:37 |
| jrayhawk | oh | 22:37 |
| jrayhawk | dopey me | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i think osi's responses so far have been very levelheaded.. they said that under us law they have to protect their trademark, and so they offered oshwa a license | 22:37 |
| kanzure | and oshwa failed to respond or something | 22:38 |
| kanzure | what? "OSI is willing to license the trademark, OSHWA's Gibb wrote in the blog entry. However, accepting such a license would establish OSI as the owner of the gear logo, which could put members at risk of litigation." | 22:40 |
| kanzure | ""OSI should issue a release for the gear logo, and allow the open-source hardware organization to use the logo under its own rules." | 22:41 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure you can't do that on a trademark | 22:42 |
| nmz7871 | they should just use tux | 22:42 |
| nmz7871 | who doesn't like penguins | 22:42 |
| kanzure | they should just use a giant gaping asshole as a "fuck you" to the rest of the open hardware community | 22:42 |
| kanzure | oh or penguins | 22:42 |
| kanzure | ok | 22:43 |
| nmz7871 | man jobs suck | 22:45 |
| nmz7871 | this whole choosing where to live based on where chandni get's something is so lame | 22:46 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:46 |
| nmz7871 | NYC really blows, but her job seems decent.... Portland is way cleaner and more nature-prone, but Intel sounds like they could either be great, or work her 10-12 hours a day | 22:47 |
| kanzure | working 8 or 9 hours can still be miserable | 22:47 |
| kanzure | in other more subtle ways | 22:47 |
| kanzure | all those years of watching the dilbert cartoon? yep.. | 22:48 |
| jrayhawk | where are you getting your overtime fears? | 22:49 |
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| kanzure | druze80: hi | 22:49 |
| nmz7871 | jrayhawk: http://www.faceintel.com/collegecorner.htm#From a former Intel employee | 22:50 |
| kanzure | you mean http://www.faceintel.com/collegecorner.htm#From%20a%20former%20Intel%20employee | 22:51 |
| nmz7871 | jrayhawk: the dates there are all pre 2000 | 22:51 |
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| jrayhawk | you might want to talk to active employees | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | yeah... i wonder if there is an IRC room they hang out in | 22:59 |
| kanzure | no you just show up during their lunch break | 23:00 |
| kanzure | go to the restaurants around their campus | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | great idea /after/ i'm in their area | 23:02 |
| kanzure | isn't their an intel campus in nyc? | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | I dunnoo | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | I didn't know this happened http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/02/28/intel-completes-acquisition-of-mcafee | 23:03 |
| kanzure | anyone know what's going on here? http://manybooks.net/titles/kleinjother07rood.html | 23:15 |
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| yashgaroth | what the | 23:17 |
| kanzure | i guess not | 23:18 |
| yashgaroth | oh I think it's a prequel to Tank Girl | 23:19 |
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| nmz787 | mmm, pakistania kraft | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | eReader == .pdb for their file extension? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | .pub | 23:26 |
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| yashgaroth | 17576 options for extensions...and proteins, ebooks and program database files all use the same one | 23:28 |
| kanzure | the ebooks people are just being jerks, they knew .pdb has been in use since the 90s by bioinformatics peeps | 23:29 |
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