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nmz787 | Mariu: basically what jrayhawk said, unless we use up some overhead for error correction (I dunno how much that would effectively reduce the bits/gram figure)... as well sequencing and synthesis especially have to catch up some | 00:38 |
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nmz787 | sequencing should catch up pretty fast if oxford nanopore is for real | 00:38 |
Mariu | nmz787, got it | 00:39 |
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* kanzure pokes gnusha | 07:18 | |
@kanzure | oh the netsplit | 07:18 |
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@kanzure | https://github.com/Joaz/postindustrial_automation | 08:37 |
@kanzure | olook another thingiverse scraper https://github.com/grevaillot/thingscrap | 08:40 |
@kanzure | and another one https://github.com/punkmanufacturing/thingiverse-backup | 08:41 |
@kanzure | apparently i wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/thingiverse.py | 08:42 |
@kanzure | and someone else wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/bl3dr/ | 08:42 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap-github-links.txt | 08:46 |
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@kanzure | so breakout labs is now funding modern meadow. looks like the same deal that 3scan got? | 09:30 |
@kanzure | http://organprint.missouri.edu/www/forgacs.php | 09:31 |
@kanzure | jmil: do you know him? | 09:31 |
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jrayhawk | I guess backups are one application for which mutability doesn't matter. | 09:56 |
jrayhawk | so that'd just be waiting on synthesis and sequencing to become economical. | 09:57 |
@kanzure | 700 TB of synthesis would presently cost.. uh.. $1.318 trillion | 09:58 |
@kanzure | oh oops. i forgot to multiply by 700. so anyway, a lot. | 09:59 |
jrayhawk | "own every movie, tv series, and song ever made on DNA! experience all culture in our cultures today!" | 10:00 |
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Mariu | lol | 10:02 |
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nmz787 | is there an audio search engine? i have a youtube clip and I want to search for similar audio (the audio is very similar to what I am looking for... its pretty much a remix/retake) | 10:40 |
Mariu | you will have to have a microfon and a certain software | 10:41 |
Mariu | I had one on my other machines, forgot the name | 10:41 |
Mariu | *machine | 10:41 |
Mariu | okay, I remebered it | 10:41 |
Mariu | it's called "Tunatic" | 10:42 |
nmz787 | hmm | 10:42 |
nmz787 | i think i figured it out on my own | 10:42 |
Mariu | cool | 10:42 |
nmz787 | knowing what album the specific take i want is on | 10:42 |
Mariu | does it have any lyrics ? | 10:42 |
Mariu | my songs have no lyrics (the ones I like), so it's quite difficult to find them =p | 10:43 |
nmz787 | yeah, it's called "got to find a way" by "otis clay" | 10:47 |
nmz787 | but the take i want is off the "best of" CD | 10:47 |
nmz787 | the youtube ones are good, but they lack a few of the extra horns or something | 10:48 |
nmz787 | i have the best of CD somewhere (maybe the car) | 10:48 |
nmz787 | is there anything like kazaa anymore? | 10:49 |
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@kanzure | are these cheap? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_analyzer | 11:33 |
ThomasEgi | depends on the bus system. but for most "uselful" bus systems those are pretty expensive | 11:34 |
nmz787 | kanzure: get this if you want to reverse engineer physical stuff http://www.pctestinstruments.com/index.htm | 11:38 |
nmz787 | you can add the "bus" decrypter stuff yourself | 11:38 |
nmz787 | but that has sufficient I/O and acquisition freq for most consumer stuff outside GHz | 11:39 |
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@kanzure | huh? i think the bus analyzer is specific to that connector form factor? | 11:41 |
@kanzure | and i don't see how this intronix thing would work with that form factor? | 11:41 |
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archels | kanzure: you can get logic analysers for as cheap as $40 | 12:07 |
archels | maximum sampling frequency tends to be on the order of 10, 20 MHz | 12:07 |
archels | obvious question, but what are you trying to do? | 12:08 |
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@kanzure | archels: nothing. i was just curious about that bus one. | 12:09 |
nmz787 | archels: the analyzer i linked to can do 500MHz with no decrease as # channels go up | 12:14 |
nmz787 | kanzure: not sure what you mean "connection for factor"... the analyzer i linked to has lead probes, you can connect them to any connector | 12:15 |
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archels | nmz787: It can measure signals up to 250 MHz, which is indeed very good, and the price is also quite agreeable. | 12:27 |
archels | Of course it all depends on what one's requirements are. | 12:27 |
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nmz787 | archels: ahh, off by 2X... been a while since i looked at it carefully | 12:54 |
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@kanzure | i wonder if anyone is hijacking google's javascript-enabled browsers to do clickfraud from their simulated clients | 15:13 |
@kanzure | this is a fairly interesting attack: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ygv55/ive_been_noticing_huge_influx_of_spam_on_reddit/ | 15:16 |
@kanzure | the attacker uses googieapis.com to host manipulated javascript that- other than some minor alterations- matches the minified jquery version that developers might have typed | 15:16 |
@kanzure | then any websites with typos in production will continue to work, but loading this tampered version | 15:16 |
@kanzure | the other step is to publish some tutorials to link to the tampered version, and unsuspecting developers will probably copy+paste the html line | 15:17 |
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Prototyp | Hi, Mariu. | 15:28 |
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nmz787 | does anyone know if i can use the strings program to search for ASCII like i would in a hex editor? | 17:02 |
@kanzure | yes | 17:02 |
@kanzure | strings libfuckyou.so | grep "thing" | 17:03 |
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nmz787 | thats what i thought | 17:20 |
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@kanzure | so.. i'm looking at zotero translators | 17:33 |
@kanzure | and they have a server that runs in xpcshell instead of using firefox | 17:33 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/zotero/translation-server | 17:33 |
@kanzure | but if you look at the recent commits, it's jason morrison (from diybio) | 17:33 |
@kanzure | in fact, this explains a few things about andrew hessel and pinkarmy.. | 17:34 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-wp | 17:34 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-memberships | 17:34 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/jasonm/bioweathermap | 17:34 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/jasonm/futurelabcamp.org | 17:34 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/jasonm/diybio.org | 17:34 |
@kanzure | so, i thought mac did futurelabcamp.org and i thought jason bobe did bioweathermap's software | 17:34 |
@kanzure | but apparently they've all been using jason morrison | 17:34 |
@kanzure | i am so disappointed | 17:35 |
nmz787 | :o | 17:43 |
nmz787 | is zotero good? do you use it? | 17:44 |
@kanzure | i once used it | 17:47 |
@kanzure | but uh, i use it for the pdf scrapers | 17:47 |
@kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/translators | 17:47 |
nmz787 | hmm | 17:50 |
nmz787 | so given a pdf it spits out a citation? | 17:50 |
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HaXB1n | I use zotero and I think is very handy | 17:56 |
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tashoutang | morning | 18:12 |
HaXB1n | morning | 18:13 |
HaXB1n | hi I'm new here and I am looking for some software or a data base that list all the promotors of a gene. Does that exist? | 18:13 |
Mariu | later everyone | 18:13 |
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tashoutang | HaXB1n: I think there should be.... but could they say that contains "all" promoter? I do not think so... anyway, try to google, or ncbi that keyword "promoter database"... | 18:22 |
HaXB1n | I tried that before, thanks anyways | 18:25 |
tashoutang | I found a lot of information there... too much... | 18:38 |
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nmz787 | HaXB1n: not that I know of | 18:46 |
nmz787 | HaXB1n: you generally search for promoters based on the species of interest you're working with | 18:47 |
nmz787 | or as close to that evolutionarily | 18:47 |
HaXB1n | I'm looking all the promoters of the Socs family genes | 18:47 |
nmz787 | even gram negative vs gram positive can sometimes work | 18:47 |
nmz787 | in humans | 18:48 |
HaXB1n | I found a software that does that but you have to pay a lot for it | 18:48 |
HaXB1n | yes in humans | 18:48 |
ParahSailin_ | enhancers is a word you might try searching for instead of promoter | 18:49 |
HaXB1n | ParahSalin_: thanks | 18:51 |
HaXB1n | also thanks nmz787 I found it in promoter database | 18:53 |
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nmz787 | kanzure: jrayhawk: if i change iptables how do i refresh to get the changes to take effect? | 19:05 |
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jrayhawk | If you have connection tracking, old versions of the tables will be kept around for existing connections. | 19:34 |
jrayhawk | Otherwise, changes should take effect instantaneously with usage of iptables or iptables-restore | 19:34 |
jrayhawk | this 'old tables' behavior is important for when you fuck up and your only lifeline is your existing SSH connection | 19:35 |
@kanzure | i wish i was better at iptables | 19:36 |
jrayhawk | if you try to use iptables, keep http://www.aptalaska.net/~jclive/IPTablesFlowChart.pdf handy | 19:38 |
jrayhawk | every other flowchart is awful | 19:38 |
@kanzure | i wasn't even aware that i needed a flowchart | 19:39 |
jrayhawk | it is essential. iptables is not intuitive. | 19:39 |
@kanzure | oh maybe that's why i haven't intuited its operation yet | 19:40 |
@kanzure | recently i have had a few situations where iptable-based forwarding/routing would have been a good idea (i think) (had i known how to make this work) | 19:41 |
jrayhawk | you can fake most interesting port operations in userspace with socat | 19:41 |
@kanzure | hrrm socat TCP-LISTEN:80,fork TCP:www.domain.org:80 | 19:45 |
@kanzure | http://technostuff.blogspot.com/2008/10/some-useful-socat-commands.html | 19:45 |
@kanzure | oh "socket cat". makes sense now. | 19:45 |
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nmz787 | hmm | 19:48 |
nmz787 | yeah trying to redirected TCP traffic through this rtmpsrv program to find the rtmp stream | 19:49 |
nmz787 | i've also tried using gdb to dump the RAM via the gcore command, and searching the dump for rtmp:// to no luck | 19:49 |
nmz787 | the RAM for firefox, chrome, and plugin-containe (which was active when firefox was playing the video) | 19:50 |
@kanzure | use rtmpdump | 19:50 |
@kanzure | or show it to me and i can look at it | 19:51 |
nmz787 | http://stream-recorder.com/forum/use-rtmpdump-rtmpsrv-linux-t7661.html?s=64103a5b71adfc8b25df1c97a3161ab5& | 19:53 |
@kanzure | but what stream do you need? | 19:53 |
nmz787 | but the iptables line isn't working | 19:53 |
nmz787 | this and another from this site http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b887 | 19:54 |
nmz787 | http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b885 | 19:54 |
nmz787 | i found with wireshark a GET for an mp4 | 19:56 |
nmz787 | rtmpdump -r "http://91.212.13.24/" -p "jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b887" -y mp4:24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4 | 19:56 |
nmz787 | but that doesnt work | 19:56 |
@kanzure | i'm not sure -y is correct here? | 19:56 |
nmz787 | this just returns junk wget 91.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4 | 19:56 |
@kanzure | well, that's not the right port anyway | 19:57 |
nmz787 | the GET does it on port 80 | 19:58 |
nmz787 | jrayhawk: this does nothing sudo socat TCP4-LISTEN:80 TCP4:localhost:1935 | 20:04 |
jrayhawk | ,fork is a useful addition to listen statements | 20:08 |
jrayhawk | 'sudo netstat -lpn' will give you open network sockets in a 'listen' state | 20:08 |
jrayhawk | rtmpdump is probably not going to be useful as a MITM for HTTP | 20:09 |
jrayhawk | you should probably match the HTTP headers as best you can (agent, cookies, etc.) with wget or curl. | 20:10 |
jrayhawk | and keep in mind you probably have a window of minutes to do so. | 20:10 |
@kanzure | you could use a proxy (like burp or charlie) for mitm | 20:11 |
jrayhawk | I think wireshark's HTTP module can also reconstruct the files from GET requests | 20:11 |
@kanzure | jrayhawk: i doubt headers/cookies would work here because it's just a standard nginx server on port 80 | 20:14 |
@kanzure | i mean, most people don't route bad headers/cookies to the default nginx page.. | 20:14 |
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jrayhawk | uh, nginx servers are typically transparent proxies | 20:21 |
JayDugger | 4 | 20:21 |
jmil | kanzure: what about forgacs? | 20:24 |
augur | this oxford prof is a dope | 20:49 |
@kanzure | jmil: do you know him? | 20:50 |
jmil | kanzure: not in person. but very familiar with his work | 20:51 |
jmil | how come kanzure ? | 20:51 |
@kanzure | his company recently got funding from peter thiel | 20:51 |
@kanzure | who i was mentioning to you earlier for funding sources | 20:51 |
@kanzure | by recently i mean yesterday | 20:52 |
jmil | cool thanks | 20:53 |
jmil | what is thiel's funding mechanism? | 20:53 |
@kanzure | he's batman | 20:54 |
jmil | i mean can i apply/compete for funding from him? does he have a foundation? | 20:54 |
@kanzure | yes he has many foundations | 20:54 |
@kanzure | breakout labs is what you should look at first | 20:55 |
@kanzure | then there's thiel foundation and founder's fund | 20:55 |
@kanzure | "Thiel was ranked #293 on the Forbes 400 in 2011, with a net worth of $1.5 billion as of March 2012" | 20:55 |
@kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel | 20:55 |
@kanzure | "He was the first outside investor in Facebook, the popular social-networking site, with a 10.2% stake acquired in 2004 for $500,000" | 20:55 |
jmil | cool | 20:56 |
jmil | breakout labs ftw | 20:57 |
jmil | thanks! | 20:57 |
@kanzure | so 10.2% of $104 billion is.. yeah pete is doing ok | 21:00 |
nmz787 | hmm, so i can wget this link http://ms1.jogyjogy.com/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4 | 21:01 |
nmz787 | 91.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4 | 21:01 |
nmz787 | so why does the second link fail? | 21:01 |
nmz787 | when i substitute the server's IP for the hostname ? | 21:01 |
@kanzure | web servers only respond to certain hostnames | 21:02 |
jrayhawk | Host: is an important http header | 21:02 |
@kanzure | you can run multiple websites from a single ip address | 21:02 |
nmz787 | hrmm | 21:05 |
nmz787 | well its downloading now by just wgetting | 21:05 |
nmz787 | i guess the swf was just a custom player | 21:05 |
@kanzure | yes | 21:06 |
@kanzure | most often there's these people that sell assholes .swf files that just load files from other places | 21:06 |
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@kanzure | and then they load these retarded config.xml fiels | 21:23 |
@kanzure | *files | 21:23 |
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@kanzure | HaXB1n: so what is your background? | 22:03 |
HaXB1n | kanzure: I'm studing biotechnology | 22:04 |
HaXB1n | and yours? | 22:04 |
nmz787 | HaXB1n: where? | 22:06 |
@kanzure | i am an rtmpdump student | 22:06 |
@kanzure | with a socat subspecialty | 22:06 |
@kanzure | one day i hope to get a phd in iptables | 22:06 |
HaXB1n | I never heard of that before, but it sounds like programing to me | 22:07 |
nmz787 | it is :P | 22:08 |
HaXB1n | what is great for me | 22:08 |
nmz787 | so where do you go to school? | 22:08 |
nmz787 | or are you totally DIY? | 22:08 |
HaXB1n | nmz787: well my studies are in mexico and germany | 22:09 |
HaXB1n | nmz787: what about you? | 22:09 |
HaXB1n | kanzure: do you know how or where to start learning C, pearl, phyton and R programing by myself? (webpages, videos, books) | 22:14 |
brownies | Pearl and Phyton eh? | 22:18 |
brownies | kanzure: the 10.2 was diluted, surely, but... yeah. | 22:19 |
HaXB1n | brownies: yeah I'm a starter and looking for information about those languages | 22:19 |
brownies | HaXB1n: pick one | 22:20 |
klafka | HaXB1n the internet | 22:20 |
klafka | there is a lot of info | 22:20 |
yashgaroth | do you have experience with programming? if yes, python. if no, python | 22:21 |
klafka | man i just got a giant book of ios programming | 22:21 |
brownies | don't buy books | 22:21 |
brownies | *to learn programming | 22:21 |
klafka | i buy books | 22:21 |
brownies | in general, do buy books. | 22:21 |
klafka | to learn programming | 22:21 |
klafka | i have a very nice mongodb and hadoop books | 22:21 |
strangewarp | Python is good, I've been meaning to learn more of it | 22:22 |
strangewarp | Definitely going to write a utility script in Python for an in-progress art project I have going | 22:23 |
brownies | he's right. start with python. | 22:23 |
klafka | yeah python is a good one to start with | 22:23 |
brownies | HaXB1n: here, read this book http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ | 22:23 |
brownies | it's free | 22:23 |
HaXB1n | thanks! | 22:24 |
* strangewarp grabs that as well.. | 22:25 | |
HaXB1n | some people have told me that I should start with C because you learn habits and then the others languages will be more easily to learn | 22:26 |
klafka | LOL no | 22:26 |
HaXB1n | what do you say about that? | 22:26 |
klafka | terrible terrible idea | 22:26 |
klafka | C is really weird and annoying to do lots of things in | 22:26 |
strangewarp | C is for shitty people in programming school who want to write 1000-line Hello World programs | 22:26 |
HaXB1n | what do you think those people told me that? | 22:27 |
klafka | no idea | 22:27 |
strangewarp | Probably because there's some conventional wisdom that C is a good first language... but it's wisdom from like, 1998 | 22:27 |
augur | use haskell! | 22:27 |
augur | =x | 22:28 |
nmz787 | C is a good language to learn early | 22:28 |
nmz787 | though I started learning C when I was 12 or so | 22:28 |
klafka | i mean i guess C was the first language i started learning after basic | 22:28 |
klafka | well C++ | 22:28 |
nmz787 | my first was BASIC or qBASIC | 22:28 |
HaXB1n | It's true, they told me that it will be hard and you will write enormous and robust code but they made enphasis on the "You will learn habits" | 22:28 |
nmz787 | at the same time that I was learning C I was also learning LEGO mindstorms labview-based programming | 22:29 |
nmz787 | so that helped | 22:29 |
nmz787 | there are only a few "habits" IMO, and that's mainly { to open a loop or new function, and } to close that | 22:30 |
klafka | i think now though python is a useful language and you can learn algorithms and programming paradigms | 22:30 |
klafka | as opposed to minutiae of a quirky language | 22:30 |
nmz787 | whereas in python you just type : at the end of those lines and then indent the following lines until the end of the function | 22:30 |
nmz787 | yeah python is pretty much the "get shit done" language | 22:31 |
nmz787 | you can couple C to it though in a lot of cases, if you absolutely need some crazy high-performance algorithm or something | 22:32 |
klafka | yeah | 22:32 |
klafka | i did that quite a bit in grad school | 22:32 |
strangewarp | huh | 22:36 |
strangewarp | "Hello World Problems" | 22:36 |
HaXB1n | well I will read the book think python to start with | 22:37 |
HaXB1n | and did anyone heard R programming before? | 22:38 |
brownies | yeah, but learn Python first | 22:38 |
brownies | R is weird | 22:38 |
nmz787 | skorket: fenn_: I'd like to find a cheaper version of this http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/AllegroMicroSystems/Detail?no=567 | 22:39 |
HaXB1n | I will, but what do you mean by weird? is it difficult? | 22:40 |
klafka | R has weird syntax | 22:43 |
klafka | R is largely for data analysis | 22:43 |
klafka | R is for if you understand statistics and you want to type a single function to do some stats | 22:43 |
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brownies | ^ | 22:44 |
HaXB1n | well thanks for your answers, now I will be afk | 22:46 |
HaXB1n | cu | 22:46 |
nmz787 | R didn't stick with me when I was using it | 22:48 |
augur | R has always seemed like a giant hack to me | 22:54 |
augur | lots of weird ways of doing things that should be trivial | 22:55 |
foucist | C & C like languages are pretty shitty languages to learn first | 22:57 |
foucist | java, etc heh | 22:57 |
augur | yeah | 22:59 |
skorket | nmz787, the best I can come up with is to just build a test rig yourself: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=a4989 , http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=59M1658&CMP=KNC-GPLA | 23:02 |
nmz787 | i don't like java | 23:02 |
skorket | I'm not sure what to do about the mosfets... | 23:02 |
skorket | futurelec has some nice adaptors, but I don't see any 38 pint tssop ones. http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml | 23:03 |
nmz787 | there are schmartboards | 23:04 |
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