2012-08-19.log

--- Log opened Sun Aug 19 00:00:56 2012
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nmz787Mariu: basically what jrayhawk said, unless we use up some overhead for error correction (I dunno how much that would effectively reduce the bits/gram figure)... as well sequencing and synthesis especially have to catch up some00:38
nmz787sequencing should catch up pretty fast if oxford nanopore is for real00:38
Mariunmz787, got it00:39
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* kanzure pokes gnusha 07:18
@kanzureoh the netsplit07:18
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@kanzurehttps://github.com/Joaz/postindustrial_automation08:37
@kanzureolook another thingiverse scraper https://github.com/grevaillot/thingscrap08:40
@kanzureand another one https://github.com/punkmanufacturing/thingiverse-backup08:41
@kanzureapparently i wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/thingiverse.py08:42
@kanzureand someone else wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/bl3dr/08:42
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap-github-links.txt08:46
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@kanzureso breakout labs is now funding modern meadow. looks like the same deal that 3scan got?09:30
@kanzurehttp://organprint.missouri.edu/www/forgacs.php09:31
@kanzurejmil: do you know him?09:31
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jrayhawkI guess backups are one application for which mutability doesn't matter.09:56
jrayhawkso that'd just be waiting on synthesis and sequencing to become economical.09:57
@kanzure700 TB of synthesis would presently cost.. uh.. $1.318 trillion09:58
@kanzureoh oops. i forgot to multiply by 700. so anyway, a lot.09:59
jrayhawk"own every movie, tv series, and song ever made on DNA! experience all culture in our cultures today!"10:00
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Mariulol10:02
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nmz787is there an audio search engine? i have a youtube clip and I want to search for similar audio (the audio is very similar to what I am looking for... its pretty much a remix/retake)10:40
Mariuyou will have to have a microfon and a certain software10:41
MariuI had one on my other machines, forgot the name10:41
Mariu*machine10:41
Mariuokay, I remebered it10:41
Mariuit's called "Tunatic"10:42
nmz787hmm10:42
nmz787i think i figured it out on my own10:42
Mariucool10:42
nmz787knowing what album the specific take i want is on10:42
Mariudoes it have any lyrics ?10:42
Mariumy songs have no lyrics (the ones I like), so it's quite difficult to find them =p10:43
nmz787yeah, it's called "got to find a way" by "otis clay"10:47
nmz787but the take i want is off the "best of" CD10:47
nmz787the youtube ones are good, but they lack a few of the extra horns or something10:48
nmz787i have the best of CD somewhere (maybe the car)10:48
nmz787is there anything like kazaa anymore?10:49
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@kanzureare these cheap? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_analyzer11:33
ThomasEgidepends on the bus system. but for most "uselful" bus systems those are pretty expensive11:34
nmz787kanzure: get this if you want to reverse engineer physical stuff http://www.pctestinstruments.com/index.htm11:38
nmz787you can add the "bus" decrypter stuff yourself11:38
nmz787but that has sufficient I/O and acquisition freq for most consumer stuff outside GHz11:39
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@kanzurehuh? i think the bus analyzer is specific to that connector form factor?11:41
@kanzureand i don't see how this intronix thing would work with that form factor?11:41
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archelskanzure: you can get logic analysers for as cheap as $4012:07
archelsmaximum sampling frequency tends to be on the order of 10, 20 MHz12:07
archelsobvious question, but what are you trying to do?12:08
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@kanzurearchels: nothing. i was just curious about that bus one.12:09
nmz787archels: the analyzer i linked to can do 500MHz with no decrease as # channels go up12:14
nmz787kanzure: not sure what you mean "connection for factor"... the analyzer i linked to has lead probes, you can connect them to any connector12:15
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archelsnmz787: It can measure signals up to 250 MHz, which is indeed very good, and the price is also quite agreeable.12:27
archelsOf course it all depends on what one's requirements are.12:27
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nmz787archels: ahh, off by 2X... been a while since i looked at it carefully12:54
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@kanzurei wonder if anyone is hijacking google's javascript-enabled browsers to do clickfraud from their simulated clients15:13
@kanzurethis is a fairly interesting attack: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ygv55/ive_been_noticing_huge_influx_of_spam_on_reddit/15:16
@kanzurethe attacker uses googieapis.com to host manipulated javascript that- other than some minor alterations- matches the minified jquery version that developers might have typed15:16
@kanzurethen any websites with typos in production will continue to work, but loading this tampered version15:16
@kanzurethe other step is to publish some tutorials to link to the tampered version, and unsuspecting developers will probably copy+paste the html line15:17
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PrototypHi, Mariu.15:28
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nmz787does anyone know if i can use the strings program to search for ASCII like i would in a hex editor?17:02
@kanzureyes17:02
@kanzurestrings libfuckyou.so | grep "thing"17:03
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nmz787thats what i thought17:20
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@kanzureso.. i'm looking at zotero translators17:33
@kanzureand they have a server that runs in xpcshell instead of using firefox17:33
@kanzurehttps://github.com/zotero/translation-server17:33
@kanzurebut if you look at the recent commits, it's jason morrison (from diybio)17:33
@kanzurein fact, this explains a few things about andrew hessel and pinkarmy..17:34
@kanzurehttps://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-wp17:34
@kanzurehttps://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-memberships17:34
@kanzurehttps://github.com/jasonm/bioweathermap17:34
@kanzurehttps://github.com/jasonm/futurelabcamp.org17:34
@kanzurehttps://github.com/jasonm/diybio.org17:34
@kanzureso, i thought mac did futurelabcamp.org and i thought jason bobe did bioweathermap's software17:34
@kanzurebut apparently they've all been using jason morrison17:34
@kanzurei am so disappointed17:35
nmz787:o17:43
nmz787is zotero good? do you use it?17:44
@kanzurei once used it17:47
@kanzurebut uh, i use it for the pdf scrapers17:47
@kanzurehttp://github.com/kanzure/translators17:47
nmz787hmm17:50
nmz787so given a pdf it spits out a citation?17:50
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HaXB1nI use zotero and I think is very handy17:56
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tashoutangmorning18:12
HaXB1nmorning18:13
HaXB1nhi I'm new here and I am looking for some software or a data base that list all the promotors of a gene. Does that exist?18:13
Mariulater everyone18:13
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tashoutangHaXB1n: I think there should be.... but could they say that contains "all" promoter? I do not think so... anyway, try to google, or ncbi that keyword "promoter database"...18:22
HaXB1nI tried that before, thanks anyways18:25
tashoutangI found a lot of information there... too much...18:38
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nmz787HaXB1n: not that I know of18:46
nmz787HaXB1n: you generally search for promoters based on the species of interest you're working with18:47
nmz787or as close to that evolutionarily18:47
HaXB1nI'm looking all the promoters of the Socs family genes18:47
nmz787even gram negative vs gram positive can sometimes work18:47
nmz787in humans18:48
HaXB1nI found a software that does that but you have to pay a lot for it18:48
HaXB1nyes in humans18:48
ParahSailin_enhancers is a word you might try searching for instead of promoter18:49
HaXB1nParahSalin_: thanks18:51
HaXB1nalso thanks nmz787 I found it in promoter database18:53
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nmz787kanzure: jrayhawk: if i change iptables how do i refresh to get the changes to take effect?19:05
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jrayhawkIf you have connection tracking, old versions of the tables will be kept around for existing connections.19:34
jrayhawkOtherwise, changes should take effect instantaneously with usage of iptables or iptables-restore19:34
jrayhawkthis 'old tables' behavior is important for when you fuck up and your only lifeline is your existing SSH connection19:35
@kanzurei wish i was better at iptables19:36
jrayhawkif you try to use iptables, keep http://www.aptalaska.net/~jclive/IPTablesFlowChart.pdf handy19:38
jrayhawkevery other flowchart is awful19:38
@kanzurei wasn't even aware that i needed a flowchart19:39
jrayhawkit is essential. iptables is not intuitive.19:39
@kanzureoh maybe that's why i haven't intuited its operation yet19:40
@kanzurerecently i have had a few situations where iptable-based forwarding/routing would have been a good idea (i think) (had i known how to make this work)19:41
jrayhawkyou can fake most interesting port operations in userspace with socat19:41
@kanzurehrrm socat TCP-LISTEN:80,fork TCP:www.domain.org:8019:45
@kanzurehttp://technostuff.blogspot.com/2008/10/some-useful-socat-commands.html19:45
@kanzureoh "socket cat". makes sense now.19:45
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nmz787hmm19:48
nmz787yeah trying to redirected TCP traffic through this rtmpsrv program to find the rtmp stream19:49
nmz787i've also tried using gdb to dump the RAM via the gcore command, and searching the dump for rtmp:// to no luck19:49
nmz787the RAM for firefox, chrome, and plugin-containe (which was active when firefox was playing the video)19:50
@kanzureuse rtmpdump19:50
@kanzureor show it to me and i can look at it19:51
nmz787http://stream-recorder.com/forum/use-rtmpdump-rtmpsrv-linux-t7661.html?s=64103a5b71adfc8b25df1c97a3161ab5&amp;19:53
@kanzurebut what stream do you need?19:53
nmz787but the iptables line isn't working19:53
nmz787this and another from this site http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b88719:54
nmz787http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b88519:54
nmz787i found with wireshark a GET for an mp419:56
nmz787rtmpdump -r "http://91.212.13.24/" -p "jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b887" -y mp4:24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp419:56
nmz787but that doesnt work19:56
@kanzurei'm not sure -y is correct here?19:56
nmz787this just returns junk wget 91.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp419:56
@kanzurewell, that's not the right port anyway19:57
nmz787the GET does it on port 8019:58
nmz787jrayhawk: this does nothing sudo socat TCP4-LISTEN:80 TCP4:localhost:193520:04
jrayhawk,fork is a useful addition to listen statements20:08
jrayhawk'sudo netstat -lpn' will give you open network sockets in a 'listen' state20:08
jrayhawkrtmpdump is probably not going to be useful as a MITM for HTTP20:09
jrayhawkyou should probably match the HTTP headers as best you can (agent, cookies, etc.) with wget or curl.20:10
jrayhawkand keep in mind you probably have a window of minutes to do so.20:10
@kanzureyou could use a proxy (like burp or charlie) for mitm20:11
jrayhawkI think wireshark's HTTP module can also reconstruct the files from GET requests20:11
@kanzurejrayhawk: i doubt headers/cookies would work here because it's just a standard nginx server on port 8020:14
@kanzurei mean, most people don't route bad headers/cookies to the default nginx page..20:14
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jrayhawkuh, nginx servers are typically transparent proxies20:21
JayDugger420:21
jmilkanzure: what about forgacs?20:24
augurthis oxford prof is a dope20:49
@kanzurejmil: do you know him?20:50
jmilkanzure: not in person. but very familiar with his work20:51
jmilhow come kanzure ?20:51
@kanzurehis company recently got funding from peter thiel20:51
@kanzurewho i was mentioning to you earlier for funding sources20:51
@kanzureby recently i mean yesterday20:52
jmilcool thanks20:53
jmilwhat is thiel's funding mechanism?20:53
@kanzurehe's batman20:54
jmili mean can i apply/compete for funding from him? does he have a foundation?20:54
@kanzureyes he has many foundations20:54
@kanzurebreakout labs is what you should look at first20:55
@kanzurethen there's thiel foundation and founder's fund20:55
@kanzure"Thiel was ranked #293 on the Forbes 400 in 2011, with a net worth of $1.5 billion as of March 2012"20:55
@kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel20:55
@kanzure"He was the first outside investor in Facebook, the popular social-networking site, with a 10.2% stake acquired in 2004 for $500,000"20:55
jmilcool20:56
jmilbreakout labs ftw20:57
jmilthanks!20:57
@kanzureso 10.2% of $104 billion is.. yeah pete is doing ok21:00
nmz787hmm, so i can wget this link http://ms1.jogyjogy.com/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp421:01
nmz78791.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp421:01
nmz787so why does the second link fail?21:01
nmz787when i substitute the server's IP for the hostname ?21:01
@kanzureweb servers only respond to certain hostnames21:02
jrayhawkHost: is an important http header21:02
@kanzureyou can run multiple websites from a single ip address21:02
nmz787hrmm21:05
nmz787well its downloading now by just wgetting21:05
nmz787i guess the swf was just a custom player21:05
@kanzureyes21:06
@kanzuremost often there's these people that sell assholes .swf files that just load files from other places21:06
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@kanzureand then they load these retarded config.xml fiels21:23
@kanzure*files21:23
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@kanzureHaXB1n: so what is your background?22:03
HaXB1nkanzure: I'm studing biotechnology22:04
HaXB1nand yours?22:04
nmz787HaXB1n: where?22:06
@kanzurei am an rtmpdump student22:06
@kanzurewith a socat subspecialty22:06
@kanzureone day i hope to get a phd in iptables22:06
HaXB1nI never heard of that before, but it sounds like programing to me22:07
nmz787it is :P22:08
HaXB1nwhat is great for me22:08
nmz787so where do you go to school?22:08
nmz787or are you totally DIY?22:08
HaXB1nnmz787: well my studies are in mexico and germany22:09
HaXB1nnmz787: what about you?22:09
HaXB1nkanzure: do you know how or where  to start learning C, pearl, phyton and R programing by myself? (webpages, videos, books)22:14
browniesPearl and Phyton eh?22:18
brownieskanzure: the 10.2 was diluted, surely, but... yeah.22:19
HaXB1nbrownies: yeah I'm a starter and looking for information about those languages22:19
browniesHaXB1n: pick one22:20
klafkaHaXB1n the internet22:20
klafkathere is a lot of info22:20
yashgarothdo you have experience with programming? if yes, python. if no, python22:21
klafkaman i just got a giant book of ios programming22:21
browniesdon't buy books22:21
brownies*to learn programming22:21
klafkai buy books22:21
browniesin general, do buy books.22:21
klafkato learn programming22:21
klafkai have a very nice mongodb and hadoop books22:21
strangewarpPython is good, I've been meaning to learn more of it22:22
strangewarpDefinitely going to write a utility script in Python for an in-progress art project I have going22:23
brownieshe's right. start with python.22:23
klafkayeah python is a good one to start with22:23
browniesHaXB1n: here, read this book http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/22:23
browniesit's free22:23
HaXB1nthanks!22:24
* strangewarp grabs that as well..22:25
HaXB1nsome people have told me that I should start with C because you learn habits and then the others languages will be more easily to learn22:26
klafkaLOL no22:26
HaXB1nwhat do you say about that?22:26
klafkaterrible terrible idea22:26
klafkaC is really weird and annoying to do lots of things in22:26
strangewarpC is for shitty people in programming school who want to write 1000-line Hello World programs22:26
HaXB1nwhat do you think those people told me that?22:27
klafkano idea22:27
strangewarpProbably because there's some conventional wisdom that C is a good first language... but it's wisdom from like, 199822:27
auguruse haskell!22:27
augur=x22:28
nmz787C is a good language to learn early22:28
nmz787though I started learning C when I was 12 or so22:28
klafkai mean i guess C was the first language i started learning after basic22:28
klafkawell C++22:28
nmz787my first was BASIC or qBASIC22:28
HaXB1nIt's true, they told me that it will be hard and you will write enormous and robust code but they made enphasis on the "You will learn habits"22:28
nmz787at the same time that I was learning C I was also learning LEGO mindstorms labview-based programming22:29
nmz787so that helped22:29
nmz787there are only a few "habits" IMO, and that's mainly { to open a loop or new function, and } to close that22:30
klafkai think now though python is a useful language and you can learn algorithms and programming paradigms22:30
klafkaas opposed to minutiae of a quirky language22:30
nmz787whereas in python you just type : at the end of those lines and then indent the following lines until the end of the function22:30
nmz787yeah python is pretty much the "get shit done" language22:31
nmz787you can couple C to it though in a lot of cases, if you absolutely need some crazy high-performance algorithm or something22:32
klafkayeah22:32
klafkai did that quite a bit in grad school22:32
strangewarphuh22:36
strangewarp"Hello World Problems"22:36
HaXB1nwell I will read the book think python to start with22:37
HaXB1nand did anyone heard R programming before?22:38
browniesyeah, but learn Python first22:38
browniesR is weird22:38
nmz787skorket: fenn_: I'd like to find a cheaper version of this http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/AllegroMicroSystems/Detail?no=56722:39
HaXB1nI will, but what do you mean by weird? is it difficult?22:40
klafkaR has weird syntax22:43
klafkaR is largely for data analysis22:43
klafkaR is for if you understand statistics and you want to type a single function to do some stats22:43
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brownies^22:44
HaXB1nwell thanks for your answers, now I will be afk22:46
HaXB1ncu22:46
nmz787R didn't stick with me when I was using it22:48
augurR has always seemed like a giant hack to me22:54
augurlots of weird ways of doing things that should be trivial22:55
foucistC & C like languages are pretty shitty languages to learn first22:57
foucistjava, etc heh22:57
auguryeah22:59
skorketnmz787, the best I can come up with is to just build a test rig yourself:  http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=a4989 , http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=59M1658&CMP=KNC-GPLA23:02
nmz787i don't like java23:02
skorketI'm not sure what to do about the mosfets...23:02
skorketfuturelec has some nice adaptors, but I don't see any 38 pint tssop ones.  http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml23:03
nmz787there are schmartboards23:04
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