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| -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | friends don't let friends do super college | 10:33 | |
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| @kanzure | a nice poem about the state of modern 0days http://seclists.org/dailydave/2012/q3/47 | 10:46 |
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| @kanzure | laboratory inventory management: | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/russellwhitaker/geartracker | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/russellwhitaker/chemventory | 11:22 |
| delinquentme | runs on web server? | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, where find microfluidic apprenticeships | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | at microfluidic foundries | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | also this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/training-bootcamp.pdf | 11:28 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you mind if I post this on FB? | 11:38 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: go ahead | 11:43 |
| delinquentme | HOY! | 11:49 |
| delinquentme | 25 cent ... i2c adapter http://www.paintyourdragon.com/?p=43#more-43 | 12:02 |
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| ThomasEgi | that link was worth clicking | 12:11 |
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| chris_99 | anyone suggest any equipment that needs making? | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | dna synthesizer | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | sensititve dna detector | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | all on microfluidic platforms | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | dna detector == dna sequencer? | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | no, just a detector | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | quantitative | 12:20 |
| chris_99 | sorry what's that mean? | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | to detect if DNA is present in a sample ,and if so, how much | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | a sequencer tells you what bases are there, in a certain order | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | but doesn't necessarily tell you how much DNA is there | 12:20 |
| chris_99 | oh interesting not heard of that before | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: spectrometers, sequencers, synthesizers, ultracentrifuges, liquid handling machines, pipettes, syringe pumps | 12:21 |
| nmz787 | spectrometers can do this, but I would like to see something other than surface enhanced raman spectroscopy for quantifying single molecules | 12:21 |
| chris_99 | ooh yeah a spectrometer would be pretty useful for me | 12:22 |
| nmz787 | there are also some of the nanopore rigs in the works, but they require moving the DNA around | 12:22 |
| chris_99 | ultracentrifuge is how many rpm? | 12:22 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, 20K? | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | i think its like 70k | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | ooh fast then ;) | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | "The Drugs That May Never Be Used" http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i26/Drugs-Never-Used.html | 12:24 |
| chris_99 | what do you call the device that moves liquid into different mini-test tubes | 12:31 |
| ThomasEgi | pipetting things? | 12:32 |
| chris_99 | not a pipette but an automated machine | 12:32 |
| chris_99 | that does it for you | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | tecan. | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | pipettor bots | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | liquid handling machines | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | liquidators | 12:32 |
| ThomasEgi | automated pipetting handling machine thingy? | 12:32 |
| chris_99 | yeah cheers | 12:32 |
| chris_99 | i just thought you could hack a 3d printer pretty easily to make one | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: i nominate you for naming machines from now on | 12:33 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, you could hack an inkjet printer to do that,too^ | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | i'm not sure an inkjet cartridge is sterile | 12:33 |
| chris_99 | but that would only give you x axis | 12:33 |
| chris_99 | this would give x,y | 12:34 |
| ThomasEgi | not the cardbridge, but the x.y mechanics | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | theres no proper y with a printer | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | just a roler | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | *roller | 12:34 |
| ThomasEgi | that's totaly fine. it comes with a rotary encoder | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | there are a bunch of xy beds with steppers on the internets | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | or you can just use delinquentme's version | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | what's that? | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es | 12:35 |
| delinquentme | a 3d printer? | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | blah | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es | 12:35 |
| ThomasEgi | hm.. a flatbed scanner would make a fantastic axis | 12:35 |
| chris_99 | ooh nice delinquentme :) | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | ThomasEgi, save for the software running it | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, its ehh. | 12:36 |
| ThomasEgi | what software? | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | but thanks :D | 12:36 |
| ThomasEgi | nice machine in that vid | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | http://strong-flower-9013.herokuapp.com/ | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | this one is more fun | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/delinquentme/LH001 | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | oh right | 12:37 |
| chris_99 | neat is that yours delinquentme? | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | thats the big brother | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | yar | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | 15k and me having a full time job from maybe being built | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | why $15,000?? | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | worry some: taking a stab out into a process in which there is little free-open source alternatives | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | which dont really have best practices | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, it needs to be cheaper .. but I've shown you the price sheets | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | BOMs | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | i am having trouble remembering where the pricesheet is | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | was this a google doc? | 12:38 |
| chris_99 | what did you design the model in? | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | i think he used solidworks | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | solidworks yeah | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | is chrome on linus going down the shit hole for anyone else? | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | it cant keep track of its damn tabs | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | no? | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | blinking between even ones that have been closed | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | anything on youtube is an utter mess | 12:41 |
| ThomasEgi | depending on the number of mini-test-tubes.. one could even build a very simple version based on just a few dirt-cheap servo motors. | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | I think i'mma go to this http://psychedemia.org/presenters/ | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | do we know anyone on that list? | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | anyone in here at uPenn and willing to give me a space on their floor (I have a sleeping bag and prefer floor over air mattress) for that weekend? | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | i don't see any names i recognize | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | the NYU psilocybin stufy is still going on I guess... will be interesting to see their results http://www.heffter.org/research-nyu.htm | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | sung changed the name of diybio-nyc to biohack-nyc | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | i bet you had something to do with that :p | 12:59 |
| nmz787 | i saw him last night | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | at hackmanhattan | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | sais he resigned from genspace ~2wks ago | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | "resigned" ? | 13:06 |
| @kanzure | was it a job? | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | from being a member | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | i guess something happened, or he is too busy with work... not really sure | 13:06 |
| @kanzure | really? he doesn't want access? | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | huh | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | yeah maybe he already has lab access elsewhere | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | he's got a post on google+ saying he's got a PCR machine next to his bed | 13:07 |
| delinquentme | ahem. | 13:11 |
| delinquentme | is "invalid" a bad password? | 13:11 |
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| nmz787 | if you're crazy it is | 13:12 |
| delinquentme | wthh | 13:13 |
| delinquentme | is nickserv taking a shit for anyone else? | 13:13 |
| delinquentme | ha | 13:14 |
| delinquentme | ef.... | 13:14 |
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| ParahSailin | http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-mexicos-murder-city-the-war-appears-over/2012/08/19/aacab85e-e0a0-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html | 13:57 |
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| @kanzure | so the stripe ctf contest gets a little boring fast :p | 14:56 |
| @kanzure | https://stripe-ctf.com | 15:04 |
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| skorket | evening all | 17:51 |
| tashoutang | ha | 17:52 |
| tashoutang | morning all | 17:52 |
| tashoutang | so I am in Taiwan | 17:53 |
| tashoutang | I guess skorket is in the US | 17:53 |
| tashoutang | time lapse is about 12 hours | 17:53 |
| skorket | yep, I'm in the US | 17:54 |
| tashoutang | :) | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | i think it's pretty sad that the genomecompiler.com guy keeps spamming the diybio list | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | nobody likes your crummy adobe air product, dude | 18:26 |
| Juul | speaking of which, has anyone seen any good html/javascript dna sequence editors or parts editors? | 18:47 |
| Juul | or maybe even plasmid viewers? | 18:47 |
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| @kanzure | chris_99: thanks for virusshare.com | 18:49 |
| @kanzure | Juul: that guy who keeps spamming diybio claims to have one.. the one who is with mozilla | 18:49 |
| Juul | kanzure, oh | 18:50 |
| Juul | i saw a demo of one by a couple of Ycombinator funded guys from MIT last week, but they were all "well we'll probably open source the widgets later" | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | :/ | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | the other one who has been spamming diybio (genomecompiler.com) got into a flame war about 'adobe air' and stuff | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | and cathal was trying to explain how adobe air makes it totally useless to him | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | so that 'rub a potato against a tree' thing sounds neat | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | oh i guess this makes sense too.. "After washing three more times with Double-Distilled Water (DDW), galls were finely chopped and immersed in DDW and incubated overnight at room temperature (27-30°C)." | 19:27 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah, a guy on diybio who actually knows something... | 19:35 |
| Juul | hm i just re-read that adobe air gencomecompiler thread | 19:36 |
| Juul | seems like they're at least going to make a flash version | 19:36 |
| Juul | not that it's much better, but at least it runs on linux | 19:37 |
| Juul | for some definition of run | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | they probably just feel cocky for having an acronym like "gcc" | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | that doesn't make you a compiler. grr. | 19:38 |
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| Juul | why are labs so cold? | 19:40 |
| Juul | i invariably get cold sitting in the lab all day | 19:40 |
| Juul | it's better when you're doing actual lab work | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | because it's easier to stay warm (jacket) than it is to get cool (personal air conditioner??) | 19:41 |
| @kanzure | or: insert link here to study about people performing better on standaridzed tests in colder climates | 19:42 |
| Juul | maybe i need to start wearing hobo-gloves | 19:44 |
| Juul | so my typing-fingers don't get cold | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | i think i type slower when it is warm | 19:44 |
| Juul | or redirect the laptop fan output to my fingers | 19:44 |
| Juul | hah, well i'm not in the same league of typing speed | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | Juul: are you going to try stripe-ctf.com this week? | 19:45 |
| Juul | maybe :) | 19:47 |
| Juul | i'm trying to write a prototype for a very simple decentralized (L)IMS system, and my housemates got free tickets to burning man so apparently we're going on tuesday | 19:48 |
| Juul | suddenly: things | 19:48 |
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| Juul | kanzure, were you involved in the development of strip-ctf? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | no | 19:50 |
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| Juul | have you solved stripe-ctf yet? | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | nope i got stuck :) | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | on level 4. | 19:53 |
| Juul | ok | 19:53 |
| Juul | well, it seems like a lot of fun | 19:53 |
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| brownies | kanzure: why must they use PHP | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | brownies: the first one was node.js, then there's one that's flask/python and then sinatra/ruby | 20:00 |
| @kanzure | so they mix it up | 20:00 |
| brownies | ah ok | 20:01 |
| brownies | i'm on level 2 now ... two PHP ones in a row =( | 20:01 |
| @kanzure | i am going to be slightly disappointed in you if you don't figure out level 2 | 20:01 |
| Juul | i heard the last one is an old grumpy unix guy and you have to convince him to install windows vista on one of his servers | 20:02 |
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| @kanzure | oh there's a shitty typo in level4.. "transfered". | 20:06 |
| fenn | i want to scrape the back issues of popular mechanics from google books | 20:08 |
| fenn | everything up to 1932 is actually public domain | 20:08 |
| fenn | http://books.google.com/books/about/Popular_Mechanics.html?id=49gDAAAAMBAJ | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | do you need scraping help? | 20:08 |
| fenn | i havent actually looked at the source yet | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | two suggestions: python-requests.org plus lxml.etree, or pyphantomjs if that fails | 20:08 |
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| fenn | wow they even have the table of contents linked to each article | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | there seems to be an anime version of x-men http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Anime#X-Men | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | "エックスメン Ekkusu Men" | 20:15 |
| jrayhawk | they publicly acknowledge common web vulnerabilities but their service requires javascript for no apparent reason...? | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | i can't say as stripe makes any sense to me | 20:20 |
| yashgaroth | burning man has a ticket system? | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | they use javascript to get around some credit card processor requirements | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | so you include their remote js in your page | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | which for some reason makes cc companies happy? | 20:21 |
| jrayhawk | well, the idea is that they handle *all* CC operations | 20:21 |
| jrayhawk | which makes sense | 20:22 |
| jrayhawk | more importantly i can't administrate billing without javascript | 20:22 |
| jrayhawk | i know google checkout can be *used* without javascript; i wonder if it can be *administrated* without javascript...? | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | xmen anime evidence: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hno6iyoAKOY | 20:23 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | davidad is somehow in the latest ray kurzweil dvd | 20:33 |
| @kanzure | in this edition of ridiculous japanese things.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_Rf215TsVU#t=224 | 20:41 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: success! | 22:40 |
| @kanzure | i wish they would have been more clear that they were really simulating a browser on the other end | 22:41 |
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| * kanzure plays around | 23:25 | |
| @kanzure | https://level02-2.stripe-ctf.com/user-fzemuhnnew/uploads/phpinfo.php | 23:25 |
| brownies | eh, i've been juggling Real Work™ ... i'll catch up to you shortly | 23:25 |
| brownies | kanzure: rofl | 23:25 |
| brownies | i was pissed at myself for how long it took me to figure that one out... i completely overlooked the most obvious answer because i'm not used to such a shitty programming environment for web | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | level 4? | 23:26 |
| brownies | "oh yeah, bro, the default is to allow upload and execution of arbitrary files with arbitrary permissions and no sandboxing. no big deal." | 23:26 |
| brownies | kanzure: no, level 2. | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | oh, yeah, php is awful | 23:27 |
| brownies | kanzure: in general, you shouldn't be pasting around answers anyway | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | that wasn't an answer | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | that's me investigating their server | 23:27 |
| brownies | it's basically an answer. | 23:27 |
| brownies | i can't believe they made me write PHP though =( | 23:27 |
| * brownies => coding | 23:28 | |
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| @kanzure | blargh "PCNTL functions not available on this PHP installation" | 23:32 |
| @kanzure | all i wanted was a php shell :| | 23:32 |
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