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| chris_99 | is it possible to mix inks using microfluidics | 06:50 |
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| ThomasEgi | my first guess would be: that's what microfluidics was invented for. mixing stuff | 06:51 |
| chris_99 | which is why i asked ;) the problems i was thinking of, are wouldn't you need to continuously flush a chamber to avoid contantamination | 06:52 |
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| ThomasEgi | there are videos of microfluidic mixing chambers on youtube. | 06:54 |
| ThomasEgi | as the fulids won't stick to the wall, there is no need to clean anything as far as i can tell. but then i am not microfluid expert | 06:54 |
| chris_99 | ah interessant | 06:55 |
| chris_99 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6EeFj3BnWA | 06:55 |
| chris_99 | which now begs me to ask the question are there any printers that use thi | 06:56 |
| chris_99 | *this | 06:56 |
| ThomasEgi | probably not | 06:57 |
| ThomasEgi | can't imagine anyone would build a printer from this, as it would, probably, be rather expensive | 07:02 |
| chris_99 | i just thought the result could be awesome for photographs | 07:02 |
| chris_99 | but yeah i guess it wouldn't be cheap and would be slow | 07:03 |
| ThomasEgi | for photographs i'd rather go with exposing photopaper | 07:05 |
| chris_99 | thats what i get done at the mo' | 07:06 |
| chris_99 | theres a type of colour ink/powder that's supposed to laster longer though i hear | 07:06 |
| chris_99 | *last | 07:06 |
| ThomasEgi | classical photo-paper.. doesn't that last decades? | 07:07 |
| ThomasEgi | which just brings me up to an interesting point. how about reversing drum-scanners to laser-based drum-photo-printers exposing photopaper | 07:07 |
| chris_99 | classical b&w does i think, i'm not sure about c-type though | 07:07 |
| chris_99 | they already use lasers to 'draw' your photo on photopaper | 07:08 |
| chris_99 | in labs | 07:08 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. but.. meh meh | 07:08 |
| ThomasEgi | arent those micro-mirror based systems? | 07:08 |
| ThomasEgi | like in DLP projectors? | 07:08 |
| chris_99 | not sure if you're interested checkout 'lightjet' and see how they do it | 07:09 |
| chris_99 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightJet | 07:09 |
| ThomasEgi | meek. | 07:10 |
| ThomasEgi | that was exactly what i had in mind :D | 07:10 |
| chris_99 | i'd like a tiny version of that, but alas it wouldn't be cheap | 07:11 |
| ThomasEgi | dunno. for a black and white version.. | 07:15 |
| ThomasEgi | mihgt be possible to hack a cd/dvd/blueray drive. | 07:16 |
| ThomasEgi | would be totaly worth a weekend project | 07:16 |
| ThomasEgi | with a really good mechanical construction, and maybe a piezo-electric laser-positioning system. such a thing could have awesome high resolutions | 07:17 |
| chris_99 | the pro. ones are like 300/400 dpi | 07:38 |
| ThomasEgi | hm.. that's surprisngly ... notmuch and unimpressive | 07:39 |
| chris_99 | it's strange, you can't compare it to the dpi of an inkjet though | 07:40 |
| chris_99 | because of the ditheringyness | 07:40 |
| ThomasEgi | nah i mean... a regular cd-drive already puts up more than 14k lines per inch | 07:42 |
| ThomasEgi | is it the photo-paper that's limiting the resolution? | 07:42 |
| chris_99 | i don't believe so | 07:43 |
| chris_99 | i know the quality looks damn good though | 07:44 |
| ThomasEgi | cause drumscanners can go even higher | 07:44 |
| ThomasEgi | like more than 20k dpi | 07:44 |
| chris_99 | yeah indeed they can | 07:44 |
| ThomasEgi | or rather, pixel per inch | 07:44 |
| chris_99 | i guess they just dont think it's worth making lighjets go any higher | 07:45 |
| ThomasEgi | hm.. | 07:45 |
| ThomasEgi | reaching 400dpi on a drum-exposing-printer thingy sounds like a piece of cake | 07:45 |
| chris_99 | maybe they're just lazy ;) | 07:45 |
| ThomasEgi | might be. | 07:45 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean. controlling the laser at this speed, piece of cake. having a drum, not that hard either given you have good bearings. focussing should be totaly possible. | 07:46 |
| ThomasEgi | and moving the laser, even a simple stepper+screw should get you 400dpi | 07:47 |
| chris_99 | from some marketting speak: | 07:50 |
| chris_99 | "The 300 dpi continuous tone images provide a visual resolution of 4,000 dpi, not even a 1200 or 1400 dpi inkjet can compare to the quality of the Oce Lightjet " | 07:50 |
| chris_99 | so it could just be not perceivable after that possibly? | 07:50 |
| ThomasEgi | nah. they are messing up numbers here | 07:51 |
| ThomasEgi | inkjets have dots per inch | 07:51 |
| ThomasEgi | which does not equal pixels per inch | 07:51 |
| ThomasEgi | as you said, due to dithering and stuff | 07:51 |
| chris_99 | yeah you can't compare them | 07:51 |
| ThomasEgi | so a 1400dpi inkjet doesnt do 1400 pixels per inch | 07:51 |
| ThomasEgi | while the lightjet does 400 pixels per inch | 07:52 |
| chris_99 | indeed, so maybe after 300ppi the difference isn't noticeable | 07:52 |
| ThomasEgi | so they calculated the 400ppi to an inkjet dpi value resulting in over 4k | 07:52 |
| ThomasEgi | which.. is a bit of a marketing trick | 07:52 |
| chris_99 | indeed, but i can see how could could do that | 07:52 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah | 07:53 |
| ThomasEgi | but yeah. 300 true pixel per inch already is a pretty decent resolution | 07:53 |
| chris_99 | ok so i just looked at my lightjet print | 07:53 |
| chris_99 | and it looks perfect to me | 07:53 |
| chris_99 | even looking from 4cm | 07:53 |
| chris_99 | no dots | 07:54 |
| ThomasEgi | 300 dpi usualy is used for high quality prints | 07:54 |
| ThomasEgi | but... just because that's good to the human eye... doesn't mean we have to stop there :D | 07:54 |
| chris_99 | haha | 07:54 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean... be honest. when you stand in front of a 4k display... | 07:55 |
| ThomasEgi | you'r not going to be realistic and tell yourself that this screen has more pixels than your eyes has photoreceptors. | 07:55 |
| ThomasEgi | no, you stand there , look at the specs and you say "whow that's cool, how much does that thing cost" | 07:55 |
| foucist | pfft... i don't have any interest in getting a retina display :P | 07:56 |
| chris_99 | a 4k display is a specific size though mind ThomasEgi | 07:57 |
| chris_99 | the pixels aren't necessarily tiny | 07:57 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah, but given the recommended viewing distance | 07:57 |
| ThomasEgi | :D | 07:58 |
| chris_99 | ah yes | 07:58 |
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| @kanzure | i think python-requests has noticably reduced the size of my brain tumor induced by urllib/urllib2 | 11:45 |
| chris_99 | oh i've used another lib that was pretty nifty too | 11:46 |
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| @kanzure | it looks like jonathan cline has opted to keep editing openwetware's copy of the diybio faq | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | i suppose that's okay, but he also didn't reply to the other email, which makes it awkward | 11:52 |
| chris_99 | that's the one i used - http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/index.html | 11:53 |
| chris_99 | oh heh, the same one as you | 11:53 |
| audy | there are some jankity APIs in the Python stdlib | 11:53 |
| chris_99 | was there any OSS electroporator schematics, i'm not sure if there are? | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/ef808655340fdd56/32131335ed547d0c | 11:55 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/diybio/eJeUIsCYPGo/0DMqIi_DbD4J | 11:56 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: chris is asking about electroporator schematics | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | all i had were some links to some of your emails.. | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | oh, there have been some posted on diybio | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | and maybe delinquentme posted something | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | i think there was a zip file | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | it was like a word doc | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | i could dig it up if no one has it | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | http://pages.towson.edu/jsaunder/Saunders%20Publications/46.Pulse%20Generators%20for%20Electrofusion%20and%20Electroporation.pdf | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | dis. | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | there's more good stuff here DIY Electroporator (was: New ideas) | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | dis is different from what I posted | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | yeah, different than what I was thinking too | 12:02 |
| nmz787 | but they're most are basically exponential decay in the 1.9-3.6 kilovolt range | 12:03 |
| nmz787 | 1.8-3.6 kV | 12:03 |
| nmz787 | > >It might be more helpful if there is a clearly | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | > >written FAQ for newbies. | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | Eh...maybe some. It's good to have around as a guideline, like a | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | Constitution. But like a constitution, most people don't read it. | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | There was a FAQ I saw a while back that started off with "Q: Why | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | didn't you read this before you posted anything? A: I either didn't | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | know it was there, didn't care what it said, or figured it was stupid" | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | http://www.tuurvanbalen.com/files/diy-electroporator.zip | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | what are you quoting? | 12:05 |
| nmz787 | more links in Electroporation equipment? | 12:06 |
| nmz787 | from diybio | 12:06 |
| nmz787 | "Electroporation equipment?" | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | did i write that paragraph about a constitution? | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | i sure hope i didn't | 12:06 |
| nmz787 | sgt_york replying to eugen leitl i think | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | oh damn, tom knight "As a committed top poster and as one interested in the engineering of | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | biology, | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | I wish you all the best of luck with your well edited mailing list on | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | email etiquette, | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | minus any of my distractions and breaches. Bye." | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | yeah, this is when i sent my fake "goodbye" email | 12:08 |
| @kanzure | it was mocking tom knight's goodbye email | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | i dont see it in that thread | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | it was a separate thread from around the same date | 12:09 |
| nmz787 | we should send tom a 'please come back' e-card or something | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | http://www.123greetings.com/cute_cards/hugs/sweetheart127.html | 12:11 |
| jrayhawk | no, get a physical card, then have each signer staple another card to the top of it | 12:12 |
| jrayhawk | each card should reference the one below it | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | lol | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | top posting? | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | this e-card is just looping on the 'hug' scene | 12:13 |
| jrayhawk | also the cards should be laced with ricin because fuck top posters | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | with 8 bit country/western music playing in the background | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: you are a true hero | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: it could be an e-card based on http://nyan.cat/ | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | why does my sound stutter when i alt-tab? | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | heh heh | 12:14 |
| jrayhawk | s/reference the one below it/ambiguously reference one somewhere down the stack/ | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | i also enjoy the classic "reply to the monthly digest" emails | 12:18 |
| @kanzure | like we're supposed to know which of the million emails you're replying to? | 12:18 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 12:18 |
| @kanzure | i think i properly forged an in-thread reply on a mailing list i wasn't subscribed to, precisely once | 12:19 |
| @kanzure | email clients don't make that particularly easy | 12:19 |
| jrayhawk | mutt does and i do that kinda often | 12:19 |
| jrayhawk | the various mailx implementations do, too | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | well, i use gmail as my primary mail client so obviously any opinion i might have is wrong | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | i probably shouldn't use gmail anyway | 12:23 |
| jrayhawk | did you ever manage to build a notmuch index of your giant archive? | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | nah i haven't done that yet | 12:24 |
| jrayhawk | also i guess with that physical card thing, the stack should get sent repeatedly in an ascending stairstep of n*(n+1)/2 growth | 12:31 |
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| nmz787 | man that's gonna cost several 'forever stamps' | 12:36 |
| nmz787 | http://arijitvsdelta.blogspot.com/ | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | so what are some other shirts that would piss off the TSA? | 12:39 |
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| nmz787 | someone named 'single molecule' just replied to my helicos thread | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | WHO ARE THESE PPL? | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | let's check.. | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | nothing on thompson.john.f@gmail.com | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | ok | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | thats one of the authors | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | i didnt actually look at the headers | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | buttt, he signed the email 'S' | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | NCBI says jthompson@helicosbio.com | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | so if these people are leading me on, does that mean they'd work with me | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | jthompson@helicosbio.com | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | or they're just milking me | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean leading you on? | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | legally milking | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | well he's from helicos, and he's helping me find (public) info on their tech | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | maybe he's just being helpful? | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | sure, so if I email him and ask to screw around in their lab, would they help with that? | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | hmm you might have to say something more specific | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | or start smaller ("meet for lunch sometime") | 12:56 |
| chris_99 | cells would explode in a vacuum wouldn't they? | 12:59 |
| nmz787 | probably | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | depends on how much vacuum | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | since that term is generally thought of as a spectrum | 13:02 |
| audy | chris_99 i know a guy who can grow bacillus at really low pressure | 13:03 |
| chris_99 | "Only anhydrobiotic organisms, which have evolved adaptations to survive more or less complete desiccation, have a potential to survive space vacuum" | 13:03 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting audy | 13:03 |
| audy | chris_99 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2976213/ | 13:03 |
| audy | chris_99 he wants to see if B. subtilis could grow on Mars | 13:03 |
| chris_99 | cool :) | 13:04 |
| chris_99 | hmm, i might get a vacuum chamber now, to play with different pressures on cells | 13:04 |
| ThomasEgi | and make them go "pop" ? | 13:05 |
| ThomasEgi | be sure to record a video of it and post it on youtube :) | 13:05 |
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| chris_99 | heh, well it says tardigrades don't go pop ThomasEgi | 13:05 |
| nmz787 | :) | 13:05 |
| nmz787 | i know the b. sub spores are VERY hardy | 13:06 |
| ThomasEgi | not even humans go pop.. buy they do inflate a bit :) | 13:06 |
| ThomasEgi | was just trying to add some fun into that imagination tho | 13:06 |
| chris_99 | these guys look quite funky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade like little catterpillar things | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | ahh yeah water bears | 13:08 |
| chris_99 | now to either collect them, or find somewhere that sells them | 13:09 |
| chris_99 | they seem to have some really interesting properties | 13:09 |
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| nmz787 | http://libgen.info/search.php?search_type=magic&search_text=magic+experimental+science&submit=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA | 13:22 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/9496999/Ants-fitted-with-radio-backpacks-to-monitor-colony.html | 15:06 |
| chris_99 | i'm guessing they're using RFID | 15:06 |
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| nmz787 | what's a good movie to watch tonight? | 15:51 |
| yashgaroth | at least give me a genre to work with | 15:59 |
| nmz787 | something that makes you think, but ends up confusing the hell outta you | 16:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | eraserhead! | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | searching on IMDB, the 2011 movie anonymous looks good | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | i think i remmeber the trailer being intriguing | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | something about shakespeare not writing his own plays | 16:07 |
| chris_99 | Waking life | 16:08 |
| nmz787 | yeah waking life is a good one | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | eraserhead looks good | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | eraserhead is VERY weird | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | also Pi, Primer | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | I remember Pi from when I was a kid | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | i've seen primer, but i remember it being a bit slow | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | or maybe i was distracted | 16:12 |
| chris_99 | hmm, i'm not sure i'd say it's slow. I'm a big fan of most time travel films though ;) | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | cool | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | ttyl | 16:16 |
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| @kanzure | 140 MB http://openwetware.org/dumps/oww-pages.xml.bz2 | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: limitless | 16:20 |
| chris_99 | oh yeah i thought that was pretty cool | 16:22 |
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| @kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/Order_a_Microfluidic_Chip_from_the_Foundry | 16:44 |
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| @kanzure | i think mac cowell made gingko's website | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | http://cis-action.com/ginkgo/ | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080327073535/http://austinche.name/synbio/supercell.txt | 17:40 |
| @kanzure | "I'm more than E. coli... I'm more than a yeast. More than some pretty fluorescent cell." | 17:40 |
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| @kanzure | journal pricing info thing? http://www.journalprices.com/ | 17:49 |
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| @kanzure | has anyone been able to sign up for a new openwetware account recently? | 18:12 |
| yashgaroth | why on earth would I do that | 18:13 |
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| delinquentme | he he he! | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: good question | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | so. | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | i think nobody is at the helm | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | its doing what its supposed to! | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | but i'm not 100% sure | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | they have to 'approve' new users | 18:13 |
| yashgaroth | they're all busy doing whatever it is that gingko bioworks in doing | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | le acceleration and le deceleration! | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: masturbating? | 18:14 |
| delinquentme | waiiiitt what about ginko? | 18:14 |
| delinquentme | i sent them an email | 18:14 |
| delinquentme | and they were awesomely dismissive | 18:14 |
| yashgaroth | circlejerking, more accurately | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | yeah ginkgo has a history of being made up of elitist people | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | to be fair, i think they all hate me because of my email spam from 2007-2008 | 18:15 |
| @kanzure | they even made up up a thing.. "bishslapped" | 18:15 |
| yashgaroth | maybe once you get your phd from mit they'll open up | 18:15 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if mit gives out associates | 18:16 |
| delinquentme | or I should just go to them and like smash in their door with a sledge? | 18:16 |
| @kanzure | i'll grab an associates-of-arts or something | 18:16 |
| delinquentme | bc thats like a MIT degree | 18:16 |
| * yashgaroth checks if there's a montana institute of technology to abbreviate | 18:17 | |
| @kanzure | missourri changed their name to be mit | 18:17 |
| @kanzure | so that's sorta close | 18:17 |
| yashgaroth | yeah all the other M states kinda suck to live in | 18:18 |
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| @kanzure | hmm http://diybio.openwetware.org/ | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | looks like it's generated from the DIYbio: namespace | 18:55 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: http://www.quantified-mind.com/ | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | i'm not sure what their cognitive tests are because they just have a fucking video on the page | 19:30 |
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| @kanzure | well at least he cites things under 'Science' | 19:31 |
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| Jora | hi | 20:16 |
| chevbird | herro | 20:16 |
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| @kanzure | hi chevbird. sup? | 21:01 |
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| @kanzure | beep | 22:55 |
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| nmz787 | boop | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | this sounds delicious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pancake_Trail | 23:04 |
| delinquentme | dis rooboot | 23:04 |
| delinquentme | i is getting verilah close. | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: have you seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 | 23:08 |
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| delinquentme | ROFL | 23:10 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, | 23:10 |
| delinquentme | I... | 23:11 |
| delinquentme | I love you. | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | lol | 23:14 |
| delinquentme | dude. | 23:16 |
| delinquentme | this is just brilliant | 23:16 |
| delinquentme | im grinning so hard my face hurts | 23:16 |
| delinquentme | WOMP WOMP WOMP wompa gundam style! | 23:16 |
| delinquentme | gangam** lulz | 23:17 |
| hankx7787__ | wtf am I watching lol | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | lol | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: you like asian stuff, right? | 23:20 |
| delinquentme | hankx7787__, its AMAZING right???! | 23:20 |
| delinquentme | i saw 30 seconds of it and i was like YES> I am going to LOVE this. | 23:20 |
| delinquentme | BWAHAH kanzure yeah I think youll like it | 23:20 |
| yashgaroth | how have you people not seen this before | 23:20 |
| delinquentme | dude. | 23:22 |
| delinquentme | The song is characterized by its strongly addictive beats and lyrics, and is thus certain to penetrate the foundations of modern philosophy. | 23:22 |
| delinquentme | the way shit is lost in translation... | 23:22 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, you go find me more! | 23:23 |
| delinquentme | right this instant! | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | there is a translated video | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | hold on | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HUk69c72UlY | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | has subtitles | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | backround info http://ca.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sound-check/gangnam-style-9-things-know-music-latest-phenomenon-150309582.html | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | i guess gangnam is a ritzy district of Seoul | 23:26 |
| hankx7787__ | i love it lol | 23:29 |
| delinquentme | womp womp | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | sexah laydah! | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | supposedly there is a version that was looping in a store my friends were in when they heard it | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | they said it just kept going and going | 23:32 |
| delinquentme | HAHAHA | 23:33 |
| delinquentme | dude. | 23:33 |
| delinquentme | its amazing | 23:33 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, im in love... TAKE ME HERE! | 23:33 |
| delinquentme | dude its amazing | 23:33 |
| brownies | you guys are just now hearing about this song? | 23:45 |
| brownies | man, where have you been! | 23:45 |
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| delinquentme | @_@ | 23:59 |
| delinquentme | why does everyone get the nice things before me!!!!! | 23:59 |
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