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| @kanzure | boop | 00:35 |
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| brownies | kanzure: irssi is pretty wild | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | what did you use? | 00:35 |
| brownies | just switching/trying out irssi | 00:37 |
| brownies | kanzure: any suggestions on themes/config? | 00:41 |
| brownies | in particular, some sort of "tab bar" showing the active windows would be cool | 00:41 |
| @kanzure | themes o.o | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | there should be a default tab bar | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | setup autorejoins | 00:42 |
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| brownies | kanzure: i set up all kinds of settings, but i passed on autorejoin... any reason to use it? | 00:44 |
| brownies | there's no "tab bar," really ... it's more of just a status bar, but it'd be nice to have a permanently visible *list* of channels i'm in | 00:44 |
| @kanzure | brownies: bottom blue bar? https://docs.indymedia.org/pub/Sysadmin/IrssiHowTo/irssi.png | 00:45 |
| * brownies grumbles | 00:45 | |
| @kanzure | oh i see now | 00:45 |
| @kanzure | yeah, well, the horizontal bar idea sucks | 00:45 |
| brownies | hmm... un-clickable links, eh? that'll be... interesting. | 00:46 |
| brownies | kanzure: screenshot your setup? | 00:49 |
| Utopiah | brownies: https://bitbucket.org/sterlingcamden/urlpicker/overview | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | ok one sec | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | uploading.. | 00:51 |
| tashoutang | hi, guys, does china's website help? | 00:52 |
| brownies | Utopiah: heh, thanks... not using rxvt though | 00:53 |
| @kanzure | brownies: http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-08-27-0249.png | 00:53 |
| @kanzure | nobody laugh that i use gnome | 00:53 |
| brownies | i'm running mosh from OSX to debian where i have irssi running inside screen | 00:54 |
| brownies | because clearly i needed the maximum number of layers in between me and IRC | 00:54 |
| @kanzure | yes | 00:54 |
| brownies | kanzure: hm, that's basically what mine looks like, except not as ugly | 00:54 |
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| brownies | i'm not convinced i want to memorize which window # correlates to which channel | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | well, you can move windows next to each other | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | so i tend to cluster things near the front | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | and horizontal sucks because there's about 50 that are off-screen | 00:55 |
| brownies | thankfully i'm not in 100+ IRC chans like you | 00:56 |
| brownies | but i still refuse to memorize 10 windows | 00:56 |
| @kanzure | you can move with alt+left/right | 00:57 |
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| brownies | ah, good point... i've been using meta+num keys | 00:57 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: have a look into adv_windowlist for irssi | 00:58 |
| brownies | ah, nope, arrow keys don't work with this hilarious combo of software i've stacked together | 00:58 |
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| @kanzure | pasky: welcome back | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | brownies: how about ctrl+p/n? | 00:58 |
| pasky | hi :) | 00:58 |
| * pasky fighting with irssi vs. freenode namespaces | 00:58 | |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: you're using the mac os shell? | 00:58 |
| brownies | gedankenstuecke: the Terminal.app? yeah | 01:00 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: ic, the problem is that the alt-key isn't properly mapped by default | 01:01 |
| @kanzure | i suggest totalterminal.app | 01:02 |
| brownies | gedankenstuecke: yeah, i just fixed that | 01:02 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: my suggestion is get iterm2, there you can map the right alt-key to a meta-key of your choice | 01:02 |
| brownies | kanzure: meh, not a fan of TotalTerminal... afaict it's just a thin UI layer over Terminal.app anyway, so no added functionality | 01:02 |
| gedankenstuecke | has the advantage that you still have the left alt-key on the system-standard and can use it while also having the benefit of having a "real" alt-key for everything else | 01:03 |
| @kanzure | brownies: i like the global shortcut :P i imagine there's a way to set it up without totalterminal | 01:03 |
| brownies | gedankenstuecke: ahh i see. might check it out later. | 01:03 |
| gedankenstuecke | oh, and they have added a visor/quake terminal-like mode so you can slide down a terminal per global shortcut | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | yeah that's what i use totalterminal for | 01:06 |
| gedankenstuecke | kanzure: i prefer the split-pane terminals of iterm over tabs | 01:07 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: and here's a screenshot/setup-tutorial for adv_windowlist. it gives you multiple rows for listing channels: http://www.die-welt.net/2010/12/because-people-asked-my-irssi-advanced-windowlist-setup/ | 01:07 |
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| brownies | gedankenstuecke: perfect, thanks | 01:11 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: sure, np :) | 01:17 |
| gedankenstuecke | brownies: oh, and have a look at the trackbar.pl-script. it gives you a divider which shows the line you've last "read", i.e. at which line you switched away from a given channel | 01:19 |
| brownies | gedankenstuecke: heh, just realized i needed something like that | 01:28 |
| brownies | just installed awl ... looks nice. | 01:28 |
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| brownies | ah, this is looking decent, now that i installed some scripts. | 01:47 |
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| strangewarp | Huh. Bill Clinton is vegan now. | 02:21 |
| strangewarp | That's cool. | 02:21 |
| strangewarp | Makes sense, really, if he's trying to compensate for years of fast food abuse... | 02:22 |
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| chris_99 | do you guys think this actually works - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2194220/Campaigners-slam-legal-pill-lets-drink-pints-beer-pass-breathalyser-test.html | 07:38 |
| chris_99 | (i think it's a terrible idea mind) | 07:39 |
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| @kanzure | boop | 08:30 |
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| -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | friends don't let friends do super college | 10:10 | |
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| chris_99 | just ordered some parts to make a magnetic stirrer :) | 10:15 |
| Lucas__ | boop | 10:18 |
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| Lucas__ | what's going on guys? | 10:21 |
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| archels | doing science, what else? | 10:27 |
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| delinquentme | http://medgadget.com/2012/08/microflow-device-headed-to-the-final-frontier-to-help-keep-astronauts-healthy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Medgadget+%28Medgadget%29&utm_content=FaceBook | 10:47 |
| Lucas__ | nice | 10:48 |
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| @kanzure | stop reading news articles | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: it does damage to your brain | 11:05 |
| delinquentme | this is fawlse! | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | read digikey catalogs instead, or something | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | jeeze. | 11:06 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, i need a pretty potentiometer | 11:07 |
| delinquentme | also have this issue where I found a really cool looking one .. but its like a 16 LED pot | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/images/products/1/0/5/9/5/Action_Shot-01.jpg | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | dis right? | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | would look really swanky | 11:08 |
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| archels | hah, what would that not be overkill for? | 11:13 |
| chris_99 | heh, what do you need that for delinquentme | 11:15 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, so I'd love to have that indicate like 4 settings | 11:15 |
| delinquentme | and IDK ... what would be REALLY cool is to have the led that the current pot value is set at to be at 100% | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | and then dim the LEDs to the sides of it at like 50% | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | really I just need a 4way pot | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | what do you mean by 4 way? | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | well .. I only need to switch between 4 values | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | oh right | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | so actually I could totally buy that and just do that in code | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | yeah just with ADC | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | ADC? | 11:18 |
| archels | They make good old fashioned 4-way rotary switches, you know. | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | Analogue digital converter | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | archels, yeah sure but they're not adding to the aesthetic | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, I was thinking just reading the value ... like 4 of those values could correspond to 1 particular setting | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | I wonder if the physical pot has clicks to it ... I'd expect it would | 11:19 |
| archels | more stuff which can break. | 11:19 |
| chris_99 | yeah, but you're gonna have to convert voltage to digital value aren't you | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | Oh thats easy | 11:19 |
| archels | In case you hadn't figured it out yet, this is not a potentiometer, it's a rotary encoder. | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | yeah, that's why i'm saying you need an ADC delinquentme | 11:21 |
| chris_99 | in the mcu | 11:21 |
| chris_99 | oh | 11:21 |
| delinquentme | archels, the ring is an encoder ... but the pot controls the ring | 11:21 |
| delinquentme | and the encoder ( w the LEDs ) gives the visual feedback that i'd love to have | 11:21 |
| chris_99 | it'd be even cooler if all the leds lit up say green, and just one was red | 11:23 |
| archels | The thing in the middle, with the knob, is not a potentiometer. It's an encoder. | 11:23 |
| archels | (Sometimes known as "digital potentiometer".) | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | archels, it sounds like you're digging into EE stuff | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | it gives me a value relative to where the knob is | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | right? | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | abstractions are good | 11:24 |
| archels | no, it gives you a signal when someone turns it. | 11:25 |
| archels | Unless it's really advanced and has an I2C interface or such, but usually they're just quadrature encoders. | 11:25 |
| archels | Go for the 4-way rotatry switch. Save yourself a lot of money and time. ;) | 11:25 |
| delinquentme | archels, are you *dead* positive on this | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | because you're about to mess up a number of models I've got in my head | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | encoders are normally for MEASURING inputs | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | pots are for giving inputs | 11:26 |
| archels | Don't take it from a random guy on IRC, read the datasheet. | 11:26 |
| archels | Yes, it's measuring the input provided by rotating the shaft. | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | thats what the thing with the LEDs is doing | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | yes | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | and the thing that you'd physicall grab is a pot | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | right? | 11:27 |
| archels | What? The LEDs is just a display thingy, it's complete independent of the actual input device. | 11:28 |
| archels | http://www.circuitsathome.com/mcu/reading-rotary-encoder-on-arduino | 11:28 |
| delinquentme | actually either will work just fine | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | if its an encoder thats cool | 11:29 |
| archels | Yes, but if it has 16 feelable 'clicks' when you only have 4 options, that's very confusing. | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | I wonder if a 4 way encoder could be placed in there | 11:31 |
| delinquentme | and just tell the LEDs how to behave relative to that | 11:31 |
| archels | You're not going to find a 4-way encoder. Just get a switch. And four separate LEDs if you want eyecandy. | 11:32 |
| chris_99 | what are you making btw delinquentme? | 11:34 |
| archels | (alternatively, one or two pushbuttons to select the option, and four LEDs to indicate which option is active) | 11:35 |
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| delinquentme | back | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | have installing in windoez to do | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | so archels is that doable? | 11:47 |
| delinquentme | just throw in a 4 way clicky encoder | 11:47 |
| archels | < archels> You're not going to find a 4-way encoder. Just get a switch. And four separate LEDs if you want eyecandy. | 11:47 |
| archels | < archels> (alternatively, one or two pushbuttons to select the option, and four LEDs to indicate which option is active) | 11:47 |
| delinquentme | O_o | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | i own 2 4 way encoders | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | grey code encoders | 11:48 |
| archels | rotary? Probably uses sweep contacts instead of optics. | 11:49 |
| delinquentme | if encode_read == 00 {} else if encode_read == 10 else if encode_read == 11 else if encode_read == 01 | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | and if the LEDs are individuall adressable | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | turn them on in accordance | 11:51 |
| archels | probably. | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | only issue is that it will continue to spin past the min / max | 11:52 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: hi | 13:44 |
| @kanzure | hmm https://github.com/cortesi/mitmproxy/tree/master/examples | 13:53 |
| @kanzure | in html5 is the canvas arc x/y starting at the center of the arc or is it the initial coordinate of the arc's path? | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | hi | 14:08 |
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| loanshark | hello | 15:16 |
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| @kanzure | hi. | 15:27 |
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| loanshark | how are you kanzure? | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: another one.. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jywarren/public-lab-diy-spectrometry-kit | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | oh this is just the http://publiclaboratory.org/tool/spectrometer one.. i see | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/08/27/the-hidden-truths-about-calories/ | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4439127 | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah i've commented on the hackernews thread | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | oh i see you're already on tha- | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | right ok. | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | these are some ok books: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4440822 | 15:45 |
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| nmz787 | "In addition, some microbes are found only in particular peoples where they appear to play a unique role. In some Japanese populations there exists a gut microbe that has stolen genes from a marine bacterium; those genes help the bacterium to break down seaweed (such as that encountered in sushi rolls). " | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | cool | 15:50 |
| Mokstar | in US populations there's a microbe that's evolved to break down otherwise indigestible hamburgers from McDonalds. | 15:52 |
| jrayhawk | hee | 15:53 |
| Mokstar | (that was a joke, btw) | 15:53 |
| Mokstar | (no such bacterium has evolved, and the indigestible fragments of McDonald's hamburgers remain a significant problem for wastewater treatment operations) | 15:54 |
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| jrayhawk | "As predicted, mice lost more than four grams of weight on raw sweet potatoes, but gained weight when given cooked sweet potatoes (whether or not they were pounded)." "The mice lost 2 grams of body mass on raw meat but just 1 gram on cooked meat. In retrospect this does not seem surprising. Heat denatures proteins and makes them easier to digest." uh... toxins and micronutrients matter, guys | 15:58 |
| jrayhawk | this writer was almost doing okay up until that point! | 15:58 |
| jrayhawk | and the effects of food on gut flora profile, of course | 15:59 |
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| jrayhawk | "In this light, we would do well to eat fewer processed foods and more raw ones. This is not a novel insight (Such foods, after all, tend to have more nutrients such as B vitamins, phytonutrients and minerals and so are good for reasons having nothing to do with counting calories)." aaaaaaa | 16:05 |
| jrayhawk | okay, note to self: never read news links in here | 16:05 |
| @kanzure | yep.. i think we should ban news links | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | invariably someone will get excited about some really cool technology, and then never ever use it or make it work or follow up | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: not sure why you note not to read news links | 16:12 |
| Mokstar | I'm really sad about the blue morpho butterfly display technology | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: it was longwinded, but not bad | 16:13 |
| jrayhawk | his entire premise is stupid and the conclusion is even stupider | 16:14 |
| nmz787 | i dont think its stupid to assume most people dont realize that stuff | 16:21 |
| nmz787 | its stupid to assume most people are smart | 16:22 |
| nmz787 | bbl | 16:22 |
| jrayhawk | humans do not eat to a set number of calories unless they're neurotic control freaks; they eat to satiety. manipulation of weight through caloric restriction is almost always pathogenic, not healthy. cooking makes nutrients more bioavailable, not less. cooking decreases toxin load, not increases. this 'raw food' recommendation is a good way to kill more people. | 16:22 |
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| jrayhawk | there's a few interesting nuggets of value in this, but they're overwhelmed by an inept narrative. | 16:22 |
| jrayhawk | until we give up on calories as the dominant paradigm in weight management, we will not be any good at weight management | 16:23 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: do you think we could make arrangements to host openwetware.org? | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | this is maybe 5% serious | 16:31 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19209185 if you feed a 5000-6000 calorie-a-day non-inflammatory diet to sedentary standard american dieteers, they will *still* lose weight | 16:31 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: that's probably fine. if it needs a new vserver, verify with bart that it's okay | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | hrrm i sort of meant in terms of resources | 16:32 |
| jrayhawk | oh, yeah, we can probably deal with whatever | 16:33 |
| jrayhawk | how many terabytes is it | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | prolly less than 2 | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | openwetware.org seems sort of like a headless corpse | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | so i just need to find juul and confirm with him that endy doesn't hate me | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | *hate me yet | 16:35 |
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| brownies | jrayhawk: what should the standard paradigm be? | 16:37 |
| jrayhawk | inflammation seems to be the most important one at this point | 16:38 |
| jrayhawk | mind you inflammation interrelates with oxidative stress and thyroid downregulation | 16:39 |
| jrayhawk | and interrelates with cortisol management | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | wtf is "resoleomics" | 16:40 |
| jrayhawk | it's sort of at the center of everything; whether you want to consider 'cortisol management' as a subset of 'inflammation management' can make things a lot more complicated | 16:40 |
| jrayhawk | but yes, going hypocaloric against a homeostatic 'set point' actually worsens that set point due to the body perceiving it as a stress | 16:41 |
| jrayhawk | i am trying to find a study about hypocaloric diet termination bounce-back resulting in a worse place than where you started | 16:42 |
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| jrayhawk | ah "yo-yo dieting" is the term i want | 16:48 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13548500600621545 | 16:48 |
| brownies | jrayhawk: yeah, that does make sense. hypocaloric diet would (intuitively) trigger fat storage | 16:48 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, if you want to study the mechanisms, searching around on 'leptin resistance' will get you a good start, and 'zonulin' is the most shockingly concise culprit in modern disease. | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | i get 403 forbidden on http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13548500600621545 | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | oh | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | fffff | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | i also don't see any available copies: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=4440451723499008476&hl=en&as_sdt=0,44 | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | however "Caloric restriction experience reprograms stress and orexigenic pathways and promotes binge eating" cites it and has a pdf.. | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/cate5.pdf | 16:52 |
| jrayhawk | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=yo-yo+diet eh | 16:53 |
| brownies | but on the other hand, caloric restriction is one of the only documented/proven methods of life extension | 16:53 |
| brownies | so... eat less, and you'll become very old and very angry? | 16:53 |
| jrayhawk | documented/proven in rodents | 16:53 |
| brownies | jrayhawk: fair. | 16:53 |
| * Mokstar jams a pair of white LEDs in his ears. | 16:53 | |
| jrayhawk | rodents are not good models for this; they have very short very sexually active lives | 16:54 |
| jrayhawk | evolution appears to have made a hyperthyroid/lifespan tradeoff to increase proliferation and genetic turnover in rodents | 16:55 |
| brownies | so they are a good model if you are a rock star, but not otherwise? ;) | 16:55 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 16:55 |
| * kanzure cracks the whip | 16:55 | |
| @kanzure | oh i forgot about this odd one "Orally delivered siRNA targeting macrophage Map4k4 suppresses systemic inflammation" | 16:56 |
| jrayhawk | sometimes tumors or hashimotos causes hyperthyroidism, but obviously there are confounders in studying that | 16:56 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/Orally%20delivered%20siRNA%20targeting%20macrophage%20Map4k4%20suppresses%20systemic%20inflammation.pdf | 16:56 |
| @kanzure | macrophage-induced sort of limits the relevance | 16:57 |
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| @kanzure | i need a better way to organize all that stuff | 17:00 |
| loanshark | apart from measuring the concentration of DNA and RNA in a sample, what else can you use spectrometry for regarding genetic engineering? just curious | 17:01 |
| @kanzure | fluorescence | 17:01 |
| @kanzure | spectral protein property stuff | 17:01 |
| jrayhawk | oh, yeah, and i guess 'daily and seasonal circadian rhythm management' may be a subset of 'cortisol management' may be a subset of 'inflammation management', depending on how liberal you want to get with how you conceptualize these things | 17:02 |
| loanshark | cool | 17:02 |
| loanshark | ok | 17:02 |
| loanshark | umm | 17:02 |
| loanshark | afk | 17:02 |
| @kanzure | http://requirejs.org/docs/whyamd.html | 17:14 |
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| @kanzure | tashoutang: hi. thanks for the help with baidu yesterday. :) | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: what do you think? http://i-nobel.com/ | 17:21 |
| tashoutang | OK | 17:21 |
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| tashoutang | moning @K | 17:21 |
| tashoutang | Denied | 17:22 |
| tashoutang | access denied | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | oh oops | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | http://www.i-nobel.com/bbs/ | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | although i get errors like "该版块设置了限制积分访问，以下积分为访问该版块需要的最低积分要求" | 17:26 |
| tashoutang | mmm.... | 17:27 |
| tashoutang | so do you need the points? | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | i guess so. interesting. | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | not sure :) | 17:27 |
| tashoutang | i-nobel...a company | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | it's a company? | 17:28 |
| tashoutang | it registration ....Ah, maybe you can use the WHOIS to find out its registration tel.... and E-mail address | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | i have had an account for >6 months | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | i think they want you to purchase "forum gold" | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | or "bbs gold" | 17:29 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 17:29 |
| tashoutang | kind of business model | 17:29 |
| tashoutang | well, I start to get on that forum | 17:30 |
| tashoutang | if you are interestred in bbs and IRC | 17:30 |
| tashoutang | maybe you can use qq | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | sure | 17:30 |
| brownies | kanzure: you're using requirejs? | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | yes i use qq | 17:31 |
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| @kanzure | tashoutang: my qq is 2302976763 | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | brownies: no but i would like to be a better person and i think that involves requirejs/commonjs | 17:32 |
| tashoutang | I lost my qq acount about one year ago | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | when i log into qq i get an error "尊敬的用户，您的QQ版本已经停止使用" so i will have to update my software i think | 17:33 |
| tashoutang | right, that is exactly the word said | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | ah | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | good | 17:35 |
| tashoutang | wow, your chinese is somehow very good.... | 17:35 |
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| @kanzure | because drugs | 17:36 |
| tashoutang | do you have any dictionary "on line" such as "You Dao"? | 17:37 |
| tashoutang | drugs??? | 17:37 |
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| @kanzure | tashoutang: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/益智药 | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | oops http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9B%8A%E6%99%BA%E8%8D%AF | 17:38 |
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| @kanzure | oh, that is a short article | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropics is better. | 17:39 |
| brownies | kanzure: we're using requirejs. it's a bit of jackassery but i think it's not bad overall. | 17:39 |
| brownies | i go back and forth on that opinion btw. it's very borderline. | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | it looks sort of like overhead but also like the sort of thing i'd like if i was pumping out js libraries | 17:40 |
| brownies | if you have other non-optional JS libs that break $.ready (because, yes, that is a thing that they do...) then you can't use requirejs | 17:40 |
| tashoutang | morning , brownies | 17:40 |
| brownies | hello tashoutang | 17:40 |
| tashoutang | :) | 17:40 |
| brownies | kanzure: yeah, i'm sure our code would be much more of a clusterfuck without it. you need *some* sort of dependency management for any non-trivial codebase | 17:40 |
| brownies | kanzure: so at this point it's either (1) requireJS, or (2) get rid of requireJS and write some sort of dependency manager/loader in Ruby | 17:41 |
| brownies | laziness compels us to stay with option #1 | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | #2 sounds like work | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | yes | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | so why do all these chinese websites look like sketchy/scammy domains | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | h737.com, m0033.com, 88879.com, vn008.com.. i feel like i'm going to get a virus just by reading their names | 17:42 |
| joshcryer | wait you know chinese? | 17:44 |
| @kanzure | i know nothing! | 17:45 |
| * kanzure hides | 17:45 | |
| tashoutang | joshcryer: @K is good in Chinese... | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html/ | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | I'm staying far far away :P | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | rather than learn chinese after I learn spanish I'm learning lojban | 17:47 |
| tashoutang | well, if you get a chance to learn Chinese in Taiwan or the mainland China, and if you met a beautiful girl friend, I think you may handle this kind of language in 2~3 years... | 17:48 |
| joshcryer | hehe :) | 17:48 |
| joshcryer | I would learn Chinese for a beautiful girlfriend in TW or CN. | 17:48 |
| tashoutang | well, the same logic, I would learn Spainish in Spain if I met a beautiful Spnish girl.... | 17:49 |
| tashoutang | OK | 17:50 |
| joshcryer | :) | 17:50 |
| tashoutang | @K and bro: so you are using Ruby to compile the C language? | 17:50 |
| tashoutang | and use some modulized tools to construct a website/database.... | 17:51 |
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| brownies | o.O | 17:53 |
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| ParahSailin_ | 8 is a superspecial number to chinese | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | brownies: don't laugh at him :) | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: no. but, yes i do make websites. i do use ruby and i do use c. but not together like that, no. | 17:56 |
| tashoutang | OK | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: i thought that was 'bai' | 17:56 |
| tashoutang | 發 | 17:56 |
| ParahSailin_ | well 88 sounds like baibai | 17:57 |
| tashoutang | haha yeah | 17:57 |
| ParahSailin_ | normally 8 is just the lucky number | 17:57 |
| tashoutang | OK start today's anatomy studying... see you, guys:) | 17:58 |
| * brownies facepalms at latest customer support request | 17:58 | |
| brownies | "I don't really know how to use (your software), can you help?" | 17:58 |
| ParahSailin_ | chinese has a 博大精深 tradition of making puns with numbers | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: so i was thinking of a chinese translation of the diybio faq or something | 18:02 |
| @kanzure | also it looks like the chinese wikipedia article on nootropics is essentially blank | 18:02 |
| ParahSailin_ | i think google translate does a better job translating english to chinese than vice versa | 18:04 |
| ParahSailin_ | translation to chinese is kinda like a lossy compression algo | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | on the other hand, i suppose most people with an interest in molecular meddling will just bother to learn some english | 18:06 |
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| @kanzure | alusion: hi | 18:54 |
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| nmz787 | jrayhawk: i like this one http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | the take away is i learned a new possibly-good-for-your-immune-system parasite name | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichuris_suis | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | hmm | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | https://blog.gregbrockman.com/2012/08/system-design-stripe-capture-the-flag/ | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | so it was phantomjs after all | 22:07 |
| brownies | good ol' phantomjs | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | "Giving UNIX users random names (and using mod_userdir as a routing layer) served as a convenient access-control mechanism. We assigned CTF solvers a level URL such as https://level01-2.stripe-ctf.com/user-iqrncaxifi, which was backed by a UNIX user with name user-iqrncaxifi. To prevent people from discovering other users, we set permissions on /etc/passwd and /etc/group to 600." | 22:08 |
| @kanzure | "It turns out that this makes some software a bit sad (e.g. bash can’t fill in the username in your shell prompt, and Python can’t load the site module), but for the most part those can be worked around." | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | "One issue with the UNIX user approach is actually creating the accounts. It turns out that adduser by default does a linear scan through all possible user IDs, and effectively grinds to a halt once you have lots of users on a system." | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | "If you pass it a uid and gid directly, it runs in about 500ms, which still isn’t fast enough for on-demand allocation. Hence we maintained a central database of UNIX users and preallocated 1000 users per box." | 22:09 |
| nmz787 | ? | 22:12 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 22:13 |
| nmz787 | so whats the exploit | 22:13 |
| nmz787 | is there some exploit in adduser by making it grind to a halt? | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | no it just means their site would be slow | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | which is unacceptable when you're under high load | 22:13 |
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| @kanzure | it looks like they have 6400 users on their system (at least; there's probably another 6000 that couldn't solve level 0) | 22:14 |
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| jrayhawk | well, at least the sorta touch on gut flora restoration | 22:46 |
| jrayhawk | s/the/they | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | mm | 22:49 |
| jrayhawk | the hygeine hypothesis is sooooorta useful if you conceptualize it as gut flora turnover rather than the retarded "oh our immune system just needs something to attack" narrative you usually see | 22:54 |
| tashoutang | fuch Anatomy | 23:00 |
| tashoutang | fuck | 23:00 |
| jrayhawk | guts on a westernized diet have a really hard time dealing with dietary changes and recovering from antibiotic use due to how sterile the food is | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | but yes, that article is almost good. it makes the connection between autism and a pile of other autoimmune disorders, mentions the inflammation-free ancestral past, the inflammation-lessened recent past, and comes up with a plausible-sounding hypothesis | 23:10 |
| nmz787 | that worm is cool | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | i like tidbits like that | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | fenn: you around? | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | fenn: i wonder how flat that discountsteel aluminum was | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | fenn: there is no spec, like the thorlabs optical plates have | 23:17 |
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