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| Mokbortolan_ | jrayhawk: Online? | 05:06 |
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| cluckj | <virnovus> the thing is, if they ever did do something like that, it'd be in India, where they don't have the ethical objections, and human life is cheap | 06:14 |
| cluckj | that's pretty awful, and stupid | 06:14 |
| cluckj | oh, he left | 06:14 |
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| @kanzure | boop | 07:06 |
| @kanzure | hah so people apparently don't know make magazine and makerbot are two different companies: | 07:20 |
| @kanzure | http://blog.makezine.com/2012/09/22/makerbots-mixed-messages-about-open-source-their-future/ | 07:20 |
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| skorket | that's why it's so distressing. Makerbot was clearly a nod to Make magazine | 08:25 |
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| kirka | Well, I compressed "Nanosystems": http://rghost.ru/40534521 | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | why? :P | 09:21 |
| kirka | kanzure Now it's just 15MB djvu | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | ok | 09:22 |
| kirka | Now I can upoad and distribute it | 09:22 |
| kirka | I already done it | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | side-by-side C++ to asm visualization http://assembly.ynh.io/ | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | oh, and C | 09:23 |
| kirka | Cool | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | DARPA/hackerspaces/space thing http://www.spacegambit.org/2012/09/21/spacegambit-program-awarded/ | 09:27 |
| AlonzoTG | I guess that's a nice tool for noobs but the pros either read their assembler in the dubgger or use the flag which causes GCC to spew assembly instead of object code. | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | definitely. | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | i think it would be fun to attach webkit inspector to gdb | 09:30 |
| kirka | Visualisation is a convenient thing. I speak it as a person who has written read-pnly FAT driver in assembly@AVR | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | why are you using FAT :( | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | how about xfs or ext3/ext4? | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | kirka: is icq still popular in russia? or is it qq now? | 09:31 |
| ParahSailin | qq chinese only | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | not true.. i use qq :( | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | 2302976763 | 09:32 |
| kirka | kanzure Well, my EE friend uses it | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | i have qq too, but i only use it to talk to chinese | 09:32 |
| kirka | kanzure It was long ago | 09:33 |
| kirka | XMPP is used widely today | 09:33 |
| @kanzure | ah okay | 09:34 |
| kirka | I have both | 09:34 |
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| Urchin | thanks kirka, that djvu is more managable | 09:45 |
| kirka | I'm glad you like it | 09:46 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.theappside.com/2012/09/17/23andme-opens-up-its-api-allowing-you-to-do-more-with-your-dna/ | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | https://api.23andme.com/ | 10:20 |
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| kirka | kanzure Looks like there was interest in NE1: http://machinedesign.com/article/molecular-modeling-in-cad-0928 | 11:56 |
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| chris_99 | interesting article | 12:18 |
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| @kanzure | "Allan Hills 84001 was a Mars-origin meteorite that contained what looked like fossil evidence of microbes, in the form of magnetosomes." eh? | 12:38 |
| kirka | >magnetosomes | 12:40 |
| kirka | Newver heard about that | 12:40 |
| kirka | Looks suspicious | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | http://synbiota.com/diybio/mars_analogue_papers.zip | 12:40 |
| kirka | Wep page unavailable | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | ok then here's a backup: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/mars_analogue_papers.zip | 12:42 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/mars_analogue_papers/ | 12:42 |
| kirka | Thanks | 12:42 |
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| * kirka sleeps | 14:20 | |
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| @kanzure | "No hardware licenses were violated since they designed it all and i think their mobo sits on top of an arduino. They designed the motherboard along with all the gen3 and gen4 electronics. The extruder is also theirs. Just because they gpled does not mean they gave up their rights." | 14:27 |
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| @kanzure | oh then what's the fuss about? | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | i thought makerbot was derivative of reprap | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | as in, directly derivative | 14:28 |
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| yashgaroth | jesus klafka | 15:05 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: oops | 15:06 |
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| nsh | eh | 15:16 |
| nsh | i'm surprised you can excess flood that many times | 15:16 |
| nsh | without an oper noticing | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | i thought he'd be done in a few minutes | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | i was wrong :( | 15:16 |
| Mariu | maybe it's an automated thing sending too much text | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | it's his irc client reconnecting | 15:42 |
| Mariu | got it | 15:44 |
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| @kanzure | grr | 15:46 |
| yashgaroth | haha | 15:52 |
| @kanzure | so apparently dalvik (the java vm for android) silently fails after you have 1000 local variables | 15:53 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/android/platform_dalvik/blob/master/vm/Debugger.cpp#L1346 | 15:53 |
| @kanzure | it wraps around to zero | 15:53 |
| @kanzure | oh oops, this is just the debugger | 15:56 |
| * eudoxia always defines his containers with absurdly large maximum sizes | 15:58 | |
| eudoxia | so my compiler will still be used when integers are 512 bits wide | 15:58 |
| cpopell_ | eu, what'd you think of the spreadsheet? | 16:04 |
| eudoxia | i think a color coded tree might be the best representation | 16:04 |
| cpopell_ | what categories, though? | 16:05 |
| eudoxia | categories on the x axis, time on the y axis, node height is the Δ, and edges are how it affects other technologies | 16:05 |
| cpopell_ | right, but my question is how to break it down by category, basically | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | maybe you could forget about categories and just have interactions between technologies | 16:06 |
| cpopell_ | ugh | 16:08 |
| cpopell_ | that's a lot of boundaries | 16:08 |
| cpopell_ | and really shitty for report organization | 16:08 |
| eudoxia | the categories on the Category column seem fine, though you might want to subcategorize some | 16:11 |
| eudoxia | "Sensors and Imaging" and "HCI & NL" might go under "Computing" | 16:11 |
| cpopell_ | I mean, to an extent everything goes into computing practically | 16:12 |
| cpopell_ | hah | 16:12 |
| cpopell_ | I think that computing perhaps needs to be consumer computing with sub categories of HCI, NL, and end user | 16:12 |
| eudoxia | well, everything is related to computing, but not everything is fundamentally computational | 16:12 |
| cpopell_ | with a secondary grouping for computing architecture that has stuff like graphene transistors, spintronics, optronics, and quantum computing | 16:12 |
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| eudoxia | drones might be under military instead of computing, but there would be edges from machine learning etc. that would go into the drones node because they are an enabling technology | 16:13 |
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| cpopell_ | I mean, the problem is figuring out what to do for the paper copy | 16:14 |
| cpopell_ | unless I just do it by expected year | 16:14 |
| cpopell_ | which might work | 16:16 |
| cpopell_ | but damn if it isn't hard to pick an expectation year | 16:16 |
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| cpopell_ | I think that there really needs to be 2 years--commercial and consumer | 16:16 |
| eudoxia | with a delta for each? | 16:17 |
| cpopell_ | the delta value is the difference between the lowest and highest expectations from firms I could find | 16:17 |
| cpopell_ | I work with techcast, but I'm not fond of a lot of their predictions | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | i don't think a spreadsheet is a good idea for technology dependencies -_- | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | why not just use an actual tree or cyclic graph | 16:20 |
| cpopell_ | oh, the spreadsheet was actually just looking at when various firms predicted when stuff was going to come out | 16:20 |
| cpopell_ | I'm just trying to figure out how to display the data better | 16:21 |
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| cpopell_ | I don't have data from forrester :( | 16:21 |
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| @kanzure | cpopell_: how about instead of a spreadsheet you use things like sqlalchemy and models | 16:22 |
| brownies | klafka sorted his stuff out? | 16:22 |
| @kanzure | no i'm just guessing | 16:23 |
| brownies | oh ok. | 16:23 |
| cpopell_ | it's on my list, kanz, but I can only do so many things so fast | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | a spreadsheet is just so crude. all that manual clicking. | 16:24 |
| cpopell_ | heh. I also do a lot of work at my day job, and I can't really install jack shit there | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | you should ssh back home | 16:24 |
| cpopell_ | can't | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | you're probably lying to me | 16:25 |
| cpopell_ | I can't access jack shit | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | http? | 16:25 |
| cpopell_ | I can't install anything without IT permission | 16:25 |
| cpopell_ | half the internet is blocked | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | what about your home ip? | 16:25 |
| cpopell_ | nope, can't access it | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | you checked? they specifically blocked your home address? | 16:26 |
| cpopell_ | probably because I haven't set it up | 16:26 |
| cpopell_ | honestly, it's a lot more work to do that | 16:26 |
| cpopell_ | than to organize my thoughts in a spreadsheet | 16:26 |
| @kanzure | for a transhumanist you really hate technology | 16:26 |
| @kanzure | just saying... | 16:26 |
| eudoxia | christ kanz don't hate on it just because it's not in a git repo | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | i didn't even bring up git yet | 16:27 |
| cpopell_ | as far as model based, I'll get to that after I build my first release | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | have you used uncertainfuture.git's prediction format yet | 16:28 |
| cpopell_ | I'm not even up to 'makig new predictions yet', I'm still at 'figuring out state of the science' as well as building my networks. | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | what is a network | 16:28 |
| cpopell_ | dudes who can tell their bosses to have me come in and give seminars | 16:28 |
| eudoxia | when i come back from dinner I'll try putting it into a clustered DOT graph | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | um.. about spreadsheets? | 16:29 |
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| cpopell_ | no, about the state of the science | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | anyway, nothing about uncertainfuture is about new predictions | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/uncertainfuture | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | this was a project sponsored by your beloved siai for predictions | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | and then open sourced after i heckled them enough or something | 16:29 |
| cpopell_ | did I ever say siai was beloved to me? O_o | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | i assumed so because you like reddit and lesswrong | 16:30 |
| cpopell_ | they have better communities than the rest of the hplus movement (yes I know you hate the word) | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | mozart's 5th movement in c sharp | 16:30 |
| cpopell_ | and I don't exactly post to lesswrong | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | okay. | 16:40 |
| cpopell_ | anyway. I need to go do my article crawl | 16:40 |
| @kanzure | a crawler written in excel macros? | 16:40 |
| cpopell_ | reading my rss feeds | 16:41 |
| @kanzure | that's the number one way to get infected with newsitis, you know... | 16:43 |
| strangewarp | RSS used to make me go "AWESOME" but now it makes me go "ergh" | 16:51 |
| strangewarp | switching from news feeds to shop-talk feeds has helped | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | i stopped bothering with rss aggregation once i realized how awful everything was (and yes i filtered and pruned and found "better" sources) | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | i do sort of need a good rss feed for new software/hardware projects, but nobody is aggregating those at sufficient scale except for github's silly "what's new" feed | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | and thingiverse's firehose is also a firehose one shouldn't drink from | 16:54 |
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| nsh | rss is kinda dead | 17:03 |
| nsh | also, kanzure, stop lording it over us | 17:03 |
| cpopell_ | nsh: rss is good for tracking certain blogs | 17:06 |
| cpopell_ | and yeah, some rss feeds are dead :( | 17:06 |
| * nsh nods | 17:06 | |
| cpopell_ | like most of the office of technology licensing feeds | 17:06 |
| cpopell_ | sigh | 17:06 |
| cpopell_ | I'm the only subscriber to JHU's | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | i don't think their goal is to publicize their licensing activities | 17:12 |
| cpopell_ | mm, nominally they have a goal of publicizing what's available for licensing | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | i don't think rss is dead. i was just complaining that i don't have a feed i actually want to read any more. | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | no? | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | usually the way it goes down is that someone from a lab decides to start a company with some "intellectual property" from the lab | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | and it's not investors picking things from a lunch menu over rss.. | 17:13 |
| cpopell_ | there's a lot of university OTLs that just have a list of what's available | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | reeaallly. | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | do you have one? | 17:27 |
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| brownies | RSS is dead? | 18:08 |
| brownies | that's news to me | 18:08 |
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| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | this is going to be my new hipster browser | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | i will browse ironically | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | "Internet Explorer for UNIX offers some features not found on the Windows version as well, such as Emacs-style keyboard shortcuts and external program associations." | 18:16 |
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| Mariu | xD | 18:17 |
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| @kanzure | http://browsers.evolt.org/archive/ie/solaris/5.0/ie5setup.gz | 18:18 |
| @kanzure | oops i mean http://browsers-fr.mirrors.zensoft.net/ie/solaris/5.0/ie5setup.gz | 18:20 |
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| @kanzure | hah so that's hwo it ended | 18:59 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 19:18 |
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| @kanzure | https://github.com/celery/celery/pull/1000 | 20:29 |
| @kanzure | neat, i gnabbed their 1000th pull request. | 20:29 |
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| brownies | kanzure: it turns out that .css.erb is compiled down to .css by the asset pipeline during deployment | 21:14 |
| brownies | (assuming you precompile assets before deploying, like any reasonable person should) | 21:14 |
| brownies | so, long story short, there's zero performance hit | 21:14 |
| @kanzure | oh good | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | i can sleep better tonight | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | brownies: how do you handle tasks that are part of a logical sequence of events | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | celery wants me to make a list of flat functions that i call | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | and iirc my resque workers were always individual task classes loosely connected to each other | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | but um. what happened to things like namespaces? | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | why is peter-murray rust commenting on celery stuff in a blog | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | http://www.michaelnielsen.org/ddi/how-to-crawl-a-quarter-billion-webpages-in-40-hours/ | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | (he spoke at open science summit about open knowledge foundation a few years ago) | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | and michael nielsen? wtf is going on there | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | heh.. https://github.com/petterw/crawler/blob/master/fetcher.py so what's the point of using an asynchronous task library if you use blocking calls to your http library? | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | oh i see now. that was michael nielsen's site. that's a good reason to see michael nielsen on there. | 21:38 |
| brownies | kanzure: what? logical sequence of events? | 21:39 |
| brownies | wrap the task inside a bigger task? | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | well look at that file for instance | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | and ignore the fact that he is calling blocking things in each task -_- | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | he fetches a page, and then passes the results to another task | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | i guess this could be separated by different task files | 21:41 |
| brownies | what's wrong with calling blocking things inside a task that's running in the background? | 21:43 |
| brownies | it's blocking a single background thread, no big deal | 21:43 |
| brownies | also, i don't know Celery, so it's hard for me to grok any (a)synchronicity here | 21:44 |
| @kanzure | because you then limit the number of concurrent threads/workers by the number of files you can have open, rather than other things like memory | 21:44 |
| @kanzure | celery looks an awful lot like resque from the outside, so uh, just imagine these are Resqueue::Task entries | 21:44 |
| brownies | kanzure: it appears that line 14 is the magic | 21:44 |
| brownies | he applies the actual parsing of the HTML in an asynchronous fashion | 21:45 |
| brownies | kanzure: i also don't know Resque -_- | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | what does delayed_job use anyway? | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | you use delayed_job right? | 21:45 |
| brownies | yeah | 21:45 |
| brownies | it uses a jackass schemaless SQL table with serialized objects stuffed into it | 21:46 |
| @kanzure | oh ouch | 21:46 |
| brownies | a given thread grabs a task by setting locked = TRUE on a given row ... then works on it... then releases the lock and sets the status | 21:46 |
| brownies | it's really quite straightforward. | 21:46 |
| brownies | it's basically the simplest possible thing that could work, and it does, so... we haven't made it more complicated. | 21:47 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: it's amusing, there's all these comments debating the pro's/con's about gevent vs. eventlet.. " | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | "Since I'm connecting to MySQL, which happens through blocking C code in libmysql, that's pretty important to me. " | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | "In your case you could switch to a pure Python MySQL driver and gevent will turn all your mySQL calls into async." | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | who exactly is being limited by synchronous mysql connections? | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | s/connections/connecting | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | "databases suck for messaging" http://oxford.geeknights.net/2009/may-27th/talks/keynote-AlexisRichardson.pdf | 22:02 |
| brownies | does he mean SQL databases? | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | probably yes | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | apparently flickr does that | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | for all of their things. | 22:02 |
| brownies | they use SQL for everything? yes, many people do. | 22:03 |
| brownies | the whole rambling point of these fucking slides was to use RabbitmQ? | 22:06 |
| brownies | goddamn. | 22:06 |
| brownies | i need to find a real book about distributed systems architecture and/or messaging middleware and read it. | 22:06 |
| brownies | i sense that it's important, but the internet is just full of shitty slides. | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | do you remember those old school html slide presentations? | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | like back before CGI was well-known | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | i forget what tool generated these. but the internet is full of these "web presentations". | 22:07 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: read here https://groups.google.com/group/gevent/browse_thread/thread/4de9703e5dca8271 | 22:16 |
| @kanzure | heh the omegle guy responds. it's just a thread of people using gevent and why. | 22:16 |
| @kanzure | oh hrm. https://bitbucket.org/denis/gevent-curl | 22:17 |
| brownies | omegle runs on python? that's... ambitious. | 22:20 |
| @kanzure | i thought it was some random-ass node experiment | 22:20 |
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| wizzorb | DIY BIO | 23:48 |
| wizzorb | fool | 23:48 |
| wizzorb | do it | 23:48 |
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