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| klafka | hey kanzure et al what do you think of http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/formlabs/form-1-an-affordable-professional-3d-printer | 00:10 |
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| bkero | not open source | 00:36 |
| bkero | fuck.that.noise. | 00:36 |
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| kingjacob | I just want to talk about printing medical devices, not what qualifies as diybio !! | 03:16 |
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| kirka | I find this interesting http://www.zyvex.com/Research/ | 03:53 |
| kirka | http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DiamondCAD.html | 03:53 |
| kirka | http://www.zyvex.com/Research/exponential.html | 03:55 |
| kirka | http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DCAD/assemblerSection.html | 03:56 |
| kirka | http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DCAD/images/bearing.htm | 03:57 |
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| @kanzure | uv resistance protein http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/406780405 | 04:41 |
| kirka | Looks like it's simple enough to be coded inside a plasmid | 04:44 |
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| @kanzure | oh hm it was already proposed for being split http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Biopunk#Split | 04:59 |
| @kanzure | win 6 | 04:59 |
| @kanzure | dkflasdjfla | 04:59 |
| @kanzure | can someone get me the flv for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA1cpMBU8GQ ? the hd version was taken down and i forgot to grab it :( | 05:21 |
| @kanzure | and none of my tools are working on this one | 05:22 |
| kirka | Retro~ | 05:23 |
| archels | not working here either | 05:24 |
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| Mariu | kanzure, did you get it ? | 07:09 |
| Mariu | did you get the flv for that video ? | 07:09 |
| Mariu | I can only get the 240p version | 07:12 |
| Mariu | flv | 07:12 |
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| @kanzure | 240p is ok | 08:11 |
| Mariu | okay | 08:11 |
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| Mariu | ftp://89.41.57.33/ | 08:35 |
| Mariu | the file is noy playing with my players though | 08:35 |
| Mariu | the user is Marius | 08:35 |
| Mariu | password is: JCD | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | is it larger than 2 MB? | 08:38 |
| Mariu | yes | 08:38 |
| Mariu | 1*not | 08:38 |
| Mariu | the file is *not playing with my players though | 08:38 |
| Mariu | let me know if you can run it | 08:39 |
| chris_99 | try vlc Mariu i think that can play it | 08:43 |
| Mariu | got it | 08:44 |
| Mariu | does the video play ? | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | yes. | 08:46 |
| Mariu | neat | 08:46 |
| Mariu | I was worried that the download was not valid | 08:46 |
| Mariu | and that's why I took so much | 08:46 |
| Mariu | Chris, it works with VLC but I can't run it now | 08:50 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 09:44 |
| @kanzure | sivoais: hi | 09:44 |
| sivoais | kanzure: hello! | 09:45 |
| chris_99 | woooot, finally got USB working on the PIC :) | 09:49 |
| sivoais | I was pointed here from #swhack . This sounds like a good channel for me since I did my degree in biomedical engineering. | 09:51 |
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| @kanzure | sivoais: ah i'm so sorry. hopefully you're on your way to recovery? | 09:57 |
| sivoais | kanzure: haha, not quite, but I have realised that the computational aspects of imaging are the field I enjoy the most. | 10:01 |
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| @kanzure | F7_: hi | 10:05 |
| F7_ | hello | 10:05 |
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| @kanzure | 21:58 <klafka> so my friend has a patent with the U of illinois for a nano drug delivery system and is looking for investors | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | 21:58 <klafka> do you have any ideas on who they may contact? | 10:26 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Challenges%20for%20Brain%20Emulation%20-%20why%20is%20it%20so%20difficult%20-%20review%20-%202012.pdf | 11:13 |
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| @kanzure | Intellex: hello. | 11:18 |
| @kanzure | open hardware summit 2012 videos: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ohs2012 | 11:19 |
| archels | kanzure: Right now I'm simulating my neurons at about 2E6 slowdown with respect to real time. :( | 11:31 |
| Mariu | all of them ?\ | 11:31 |
| Mariu | nevermind =p | 11:32 |
| Mariu | bad question | 11:32 |
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| delinquentme | Only 35 of Stanford's patents make more than $100K - are we open yet? #ohs2012 | 12:40 |
| delinquentme | ???? | 12:40 |
| AdrienG | wut | 12:41 |
| AdrienG | wats ohs2012 | 12:41 |
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| Juul | curiously, stanford allows employees to put their stuff in the public domain if they want | 13:01 |
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| Juul | whereas University of California doesn't | 13:02 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/09/27/watch-the-open-hardware-summit-live/ | 13:31 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: ^ | 13:31 |
| nmz787 | ahh cool | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | i may get a friend to record in HD the skirball symposium tomorrow | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | is it makerbot now? | 13:34 |
| @kanzure | dunno. i'm not watching it ;) | 13:34 |
| chris_99 | does anyone else just get a black box | 13:36 |
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| @kanzure | i get ads, so i turned it off. | 13:37 |
| chris_99 | ah i think my DNS is screwed | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | 13:32 <@yosafbridge> can I pay kickstarter to not fund something? | 13:48 |
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| nmz787 | jmil is talking | 14:28 |
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| @kanzure | http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2012/09/inappropriate-use-of-adobe-code-signing-certificate.html | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | "We have identified a compromised build server with access to the Adobe code signing infrastructure." | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | "We have reviewed every commit made to the source repository the machine did have access to and confirmed that no source code changes or code insertions were made by the build server account." | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | yeah.. uh. commit rewriting. | 15:05 |
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| @kanzure | "Kids stay optimistic by imagining that the adults around them messed up for unrepresentative avoidable reasons." | 16:13 |
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| @kanzure | SpiderFab: Process for On-Orbit Construction of Kilometer-Scale Apertures | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/niac/2012_phase_I_fellows_hoyt_spiderfab.html | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | "I argue here http://jetpress.org/v20/phoeni... that Precambrian animals are essentially made entirely of stem cells. The cells are specialized in their behavior, but not committed/somatic. They can reverse their roles at any time, and are only held in their roles by continuous chemical signaling. Post-Cambrian animals seem to commit their cellular changes via epigenetics-on-command during embryogenesis." | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | Cellular differentiation as a candidate “new technology” for the Cambrian Explosion | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | http://jetpress.org/v20/phoenix.htm (chris phoenix) | 16:34 |
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| roksprok | is there a good group like diybio for neuroscience or regenerative medicine? or just life extension/transhumanism in general? | 16:35 |
| AdrienG | kanzure: interesting theory | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | most of the good transhumanists are on diybio | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | for life extension i suggest the gerontology research group | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | for neuroscience i suggest comp-neuro | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | http://www.neuroinf.org/mailman/listinfo/comp-neuro | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grg | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 16:36 |
| roksprok | perfect thanks | 16:37 |
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| skorket | evening all | 17:37 |
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| @kanzure | open hardware summit photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/sets/72157631639681476/ | 19:22 |
| @kanzure | http://oslathe.com/ | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | http://makeprojects.com/Project/The-Multimachine-150-12-Inch-Swing-Metal-Lathe-Mill-Drill/1751/1#.UCbQfqOJIkU | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | oh it's the multimachine project? i see. | 19:26 |
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| @kanzure | har har "he organizers of space advocacy groups also share much the same demographic as their rank-and-file audience--the poorer lower skill/talent end of the white-collar/service industry middle-class spectrum." | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | *The | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | "Strange, we have more active astronauts than ever in history, yet few can name any of them." | 19:34 |
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| @kanzure | hotmail for android :P https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hotmail.Z7 | 20:13 |
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| @kanzure | "I call it the Cousteau Paradigm because the example was most definitively set by the famous marine explorer Jacque Cousteau and his Cousteau Society" | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | "At a time, post Apollo, when space started declining in public interest, this non-profit organization was accomplishing many of the things space advocacy groups aspire to do today, all supported by individual donations, corporate sponsorship, and cooperative effort from many institutions." | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | "They acquired and re-purposesd a host of ships and vehicles, built cutting-edge equipment, experimental ships including wingsail and turbosail ships, custom-designed submersibles and marine robots, underwater habitats, and elaborate research facilities and maintained a sophisticated lifestyle for Cousteau, his family, and his 'team' of science, engineering, and media pros." | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | "Cousteau even had plans for a floating eco-city. When Cousteau started his career the undersea environment was as challenging and unknown an environment as outer space and what he created was akin to a government-independent space program--basically on about the same scale as the Mercury program." | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | "He recognized this analog and even called his diving team 'aquanauts'. How was all this possible, especially when none of it produced straightforward products, an economic ROI, or had any government backing driven by Cold War gamesmanship?" | 20:35 |
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| @kanzure | "and he pioneered a new venue for that through the invention of the Aqua-Lung--what we more commonly call scuba systems today--and a host of new color underwater photography and film hardware that really opened up the sea to this medium." | 20:36 |
| @kanzure | "But Cousteau did more than just revolutionize underwater photography. He cultivated for himself a totally new cultural model of the adventurer. He was not the gung-ho he-man of the past. Rather he portrayed himself as a soft-spoken, reflective scientist-explorer." | 20:37 |
| @kanzure | "Even equipment and vessels, like the Calypso, the nostalgic and romantic converted Catalina PBY (which sadly crashed, taking his son Phllippe's life. Note how, later on, Greenpeace felt compelled to get one of these iconic planes for themselves…), the Secoup, became recognizable re-ocurring 'characters' in his films, just like iconic spaceships in SciFi media." | 20:37 |
| Urchin | I grew up watching his documentaries | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | calypso sounds like a tragically hilarious name for a ship | 20:38 |
| Urchin | to me it was simply associated with his ship and nothing else | 20:39 |
| Urchin | there are a bunch of ships called Calypso around where I live | 20:39 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: you really got that michael guy riled up about wiki editig | 20:40 |
| nmz787 | editing | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | haha he's just a typical wikipedia editor | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | most of them are 100x worse | 20:40 |
| Urchin | what was that about? | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | the really great ones will cite you every policy in response to anything you say | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | Urchin: what? | 20:42 |
| Urchin | the editing war, or whatever you're involved in | 20:43 |
| Urchin | and where is this text from? | 20:44 |
| brownies | kanzure: source on that Costeau bit? | 20:46 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: eric hunting | 20:48 |
| @kanzure | brownies: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/qphP1qhn_c0 | 20:48 |
| @kanzure | Urchin: it's from that thread. | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | Urchin: the editing war thing isn't a war. nmz787 is just unaccustomed of talking to a wikipedia editor. | 20:49 |
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| jrayhawk | all is full of luf | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | the stuff of luf | 20:54 |
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| jrayhawk | my god! it's full of luf! | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | someone should build a floorplan-to-3d extrapolator for the real estate industry | 20:59 |
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| nmz787 | jrayhawk: do you own rainproof pants? | 21:00 |
| jrayhawk | no | 21:01 |
| foucist | do you own ejaculation-proof pants? | 21:02 |
| jrayhawk | nmz787: that is easily the oddest question i have been asked in the past month | 21:02 |
| jrayhawk | good work, i guess | 21:02 |
| nmz787 | ppl told me we need rainproof everything to live in portland | 21:07 |
| jrayhawk | real portlanders have webbed feet | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | H_ | 21:13 |
| nmz787 | that's me | 21:13 |
| nmz787 | i need to H+ | 21:13 |
| jrayhawk | also you can tell cardinal directions based upon which side of the portlander the mold grows on | 21:13 |
| nmz787 | lol | 21:14 |
| nmz787 | we're trying to find a house, but there are a lot less of them than apartments | 21:15 |
| foucist | nmz787: you don't need rainproof clothing though | 21:19 |
| foucist | an umbrella is good enough | 21:20 |
| foucist | and a good rain coat for the occasional whatever | 21:20 |
| jrayhawk | umbrellas are how you spot tourists | 21:20 |
| foucist | actually my neo-hometown is Campbell River, gets twice the amount of rain than portland.. | 21:22 |
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| foucist | 57" vs 36" | 21:22 |
| foucist | well, only 60% more | 21:22 |
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| jrayhawk | yeah, portlanders are notorious exaggerators | 21:22 |
| foucist | tbh i don't recall any umbrellas in campbell river | 21:23 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | ok | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | well we have rain coats | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | i have rain pants but she doesnt | 21:27 |
| foucist | that's what skirts are for | 21:27 |
| foucist | :P | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | we like hiking though, so i'll probably find some for her too | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | hah | 21:28 |
| foucist | for hiking, just use gators | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | unless the rain is horizontal | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | sitting down too | 21:28 |
| foucist | or galoshes i guess | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | our boots are waterproof up to like 6 inches or so | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | (hiking boots) | 21:29 |
| foucist | nmz787: these are even better http://www.invisibleshoe.com for hiking! | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | http://www.spacetelescope.org/static/archives/images/large/heic1214a.jpg | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | foucist: it just looks like a flip flop | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | i hike/walk barefoot once in a while, but I can't backpack without a decent sole | 21:35 |
| foucist | nmz787: basically, but without the flopping.. close to barefoot as you can get with protection, good for running etc | 21:35 |
| foucist | nmz787: yeah i mean, i've done a lot of backcountry hiking with serious leather boots for ankle support etc | 21:36 |
| foucist | but i realized i can get rid of all that and just go barefoot or close to | 21:36 |
| foucist | screw ankle support | 21:36 |
| foucist | don't need it | 21:36 |
| foucist | since barefoot is very stable on it's own.. and feet get tougher anyways | 21:37 |
| foucist | its* | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | nah i dont wear boots for ankle support | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | i wear boots that have a metal bar running through so I can get high-pressure on roch edges and such | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | with a 40 or 50 lb backpack on I couldn't backpack as fast without a rugged sole | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | at least i would have to go prob half the speed without a rugged sole | 21:39 |
| nmz787 | how is there wet performance? | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | compared to like a vibram sole? | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | there was one time i was drunk and trying to take a shortcut through the woods, I lost my shoe when i tried jumping a creek and ended up one knee deep in the water | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | after like 25-30 mins of clamoring through the snow covered woods, my pant leg was frozen but my thin-socked foot was warmer than the shoed foor | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | I was scared branches woulda cut and scratched the bottom of my foot but it was perfectly fine, nothing wrong next day | 21:42 |
| ParahSailin_ | 5 fingers are hplus shoes | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | 5fingers dont fit me | 21:42 |
| ParahSailin_ | lame | 21:42 |
| jrayhawk | men's vibrams are too big for me and women's vibrams are too narrow | 21:43 |
| jrayhawk | i guess this is an indication that i should do my barefoot running barefoot | 21:43 |
| ParahSailin_ | i'd like to use a laser cutter to cut broken car tires into soles for toe shoes | 21:45 |
| nmz787 | lol | 21:47 |
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| @kanzure | "bowhead whales [live] up to 210 years | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | " | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/09/george-church-will-look-to-human.html | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | "those with the LRP5 gene have extra strong bones" | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | "Those with the PCSK5 gene have 88 percent lower coronary disease" | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | "Those with double FUT2 are resistant to stomach flu" | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | (and CCR5 was already listed on diyhpluswiki) | 21:59 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 366d418 LRP5, PCSK5, CCR5, and FUT2 genes | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReGenesis | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | "ReGenesis is a Canadian television program ... The series, which ran for four seasons, revolves around the scientists of NorBAC ("North American Biotechnology Advisory Commission"), a fictional organization with a lab based in Toronto. The organization investigates problems of a scientific nature, such as bio-terrorism, mysterious diseases or radical changes in environment throughout Canada, the United States, and | 22:03 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: what's wrong with my markdown on http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications ? it replaced <a name="PCSK5" /> with <a name="PCSK5"> which is completely different. >:( | 22:03 |
| @kanzure | and as a result it renders the other half of the article as a giant link | 22:03 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 42681af trying to fix markdown problems :( | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | i guess that does it :| <a name="PCSK5"></a> | 22:05 |
| jrayhawk | that's perturbing | 22:14 |
| jrayhawk | http://piny.be/jrayhawk/ hmm, can't reproduce on piny.be | 22:16 |
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| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: c91dcb8 dos2unix the genetic-modifications.mdwn file, add lactase persistence | 22:18 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 0efccbc some more snps | 22:18 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: eb83326 Revert "trying to fix markdown problems :(" | 22:22 |
| @kanzure | dyoo | 22:23 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah, not seeing the issue. The fact that it puts those in their own paragraph elements is kinda dumb, though | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | your revert has a "Conflict" | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I didn't look at it very hard. | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth had given me a dos file | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | so i dos2unix'd it | 22:24 |
| jrayhawk | Well, that'd explain the conflict, at least | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | the html output seems to match the original borkedness i experienced | 22:24 |
| yashgaroth | I was gonna say, it looks a lot nicer than my txt | 22:25 |
| jrayhawk | It's a static HTML file and I am seeing very clearly <p><a name="LRP5" /></p> | 22:25 |
| jrayhawk | markdown is supposed to be line-ending agnostic, too, so if that's causing it, that's probably a bug | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-09-28-0025-markdown-ikiwiki-wtf.png | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | chrome's version of what it thinks the html is supposed to look like is pretty crazy | 22:28 |
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| jrayhawk | i am not real clear on what the issue you're complaining about is anymore; i would suggest that, if you have a complaint, you use something like curl http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/ | grep -C1 'name=' to describe it | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | no, i was just amused by that | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | "Those with double FUT2 are resistant to stomach flu." is highlighted like a link | 22:36 |
| @kanzure | that's not supposed to be a link. nowhere in the markdown does it indicate it is a link. it's bleedover because of <a name="" /> | 22:36 |
| @kanzure | maybe this is a problem with the stylesheet. | 22:36 |
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| @kanzure | jmil: good talk | 22:42 |
| foucist | i almost decided to make a new version of markdown that would be easier to type and display nicer in vim (with syntax highlighting) | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | i hate vim's markdown syntax highlighting. it doesn't understand quote highlighting. | 22:44 |
| jmil | thx kanzure wanted to represent | 22:44 |
| jmil | would love your most constructive criticism | 22:44 |
| jmil | kanzure: ^^ | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | aren't vim's syntax highlighters based on regular expressions? this is probably why things are awful. | 22:44 |
| jmil | *your most candid constructive criticism | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | actually i'm more interested in hearing about the other things i missed, i just tuned into your talk | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | what else was going on there? | 22:46 |
| jmil | everyone is talking about the death of makerbot | 22:47 |
| brownies | makerbot is dead? | 22:47 |
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| jmil | brownies: today was their official FU to the open source community | 22:48 |
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| brownies | ah | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | jmil: so i still don't understand.. i thought all of their designs were based on reprap | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | and reprap is still open source. did they buy all the rights to reprap? or what? | 22:50 |
| brownies | this? http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/24/lets-try-that-again/ | 22:50 |
| @kanzure | that was their second attempt | 22:51 |
| Intellex | Have acetylcholinesterase inhibitors been tested as nootropic agents? | 22:52 |
| Intellex | Can't find literature on that | 22:52 |
| jmil | brownies kanzure we told them it's not like we want or need their designs at all. it's just the principle of the thing | 22:53 |
| jmil | kanzure: they are derivative of reprap but not in any interesting way. so they haven't informed the community. ALL makerbot's intersting contributions were from Zach Hoeken who was forced to leave from the company. those were stellar at the time | 22:53 |
| brownies | reuptake inhibitors? | 22:53 |
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| brownies | interesting. | 22:53 |
| brownies | kanzure: where's the first attempt? | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | there was a previous blog post | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | i don't really care enough to find it for you | 22:54 |
| brownies | you're an inspiration to us all | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | well there | 22:58 |
| brownies | ah, this must be it. http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/19/a-whole-new-makerbot-introducing-replicator-2-desktop-3d-printer/ | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | fuck wikipedia | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: ? | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | he deleted my examples so i just mailed them to gg | 22:59 |
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| @kanzure | gg? | 22:59 |
| nmz787 | google groups | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | the diybio list | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | good game? | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | ok | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | so what's this about FU to opensource? | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | jmil: ^ | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | makerbot has gone closed source | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | and spoke at open hardware summit for some reason. | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | am reading now | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | i thought i heard that earlier | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | the commercials sucked | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | i fell asleep during them | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | eh | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | hrh | 23:02 |
| brownies | tbh i just think that a 3D printer that can't print a copy of itself is fundamentally silly and trivial | 23:04 |
| @kanzure | none of them can print themselves | 23:04 |
| brownies | yes i'm aware | 23:04 |
| @kanzure | just checkin'. | 23:05 |
| brownies | kanzure: but the special thing about this new one appears to be that they've abandoned that as a possibility/goal entirely | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | haha | 23:05 |
| brownies | whereas, with the previous ones, it seemed like that was on the table. | 23:05 |
| jmil | brownies: i don't understand the self-replication dogma. you're NEVER going to print a motor. that's a crazy waste of time trying | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | and now it's just a regular piece of junk? | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | instead of special junk | 23:05 |
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| jmil | the benefit of the dogma is that it made hackers into designers so now we have a plentiful thingiverse. two negatives make a positive!!! | 23:06 |
| brownies | maybe YOU'RE never going to print a motor! | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | jmil: so the consensus is that makerbot was not based on reprap, after all? | 23:08 |
| brownies | why is printing a motor somehow totally impossible forever for all time for everyone ever ? | 23:08 |
| jmil | kanzure: whut? | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | brownies: plastic extrusion isn't enough to make a motor | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | jmil: how can they take an open source, gpl'd project and turn it closed source? | 23:09 |
| brownies | i do not think 3d printing is still going to be spraying corn juice at bricks in 1000 years. -_- | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | brownies: is it 3d printing when i assemble a motor IN 3D? | 23:10 |
| jmil | no i'm saying at this point and for the last 2 years the biggest contribution they've made to reprap is exactly jack shit. people just lament that they have gone closed source out of philosophical pain. Not because anyone actually wants the designs for anything | 23:10 |
| jmil | brownies: we will be doing 7D printing in 1000 yrs | 23:10 |
| brownies | kanzure: eh? | 23:10 |
| @kanzure | jmil: i'm not saying they are making contributions | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | open source licenses explicitly prevent this scenario | 23:11 |
| jmil | kanzure: not everything is under GPL. not their latest stuff anyway. only gen3 electronics were official reprap electronics. then makerbot made shitty electronics and the community went with RAMPS | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | oh i see. | 23:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | take maketbot apart; see design; done | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: that's not how licensing works | 23:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | id like to see them try to enforce IP rent on decentralized production | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | that should be more explicit, jmil | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | i think they should have just said "shut up bitches, we're not using reprap shit anymore anyway, we have our own brand of puke" | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | then the "but it's open source" argument would have no water | 23:13 |
| jmil | staying open source was the last string holding the community as their support network. now EVERYONE hates them. destroyed their brand. | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | was bre booed? | 23:15 |
| jmil | but they will move to ONLY non-technical new crowd. good for them. | 23:15 |
| brownies | they have 150 employees? holy hell. | 23:15 |
| ParahSailin_ | bezos put money in | 23:16 |
| brownies | what were the other reasons people hated them, while they were still open-source? | 23:16 |
| ParahSailin_ | high on the hog | 23:16 |
| brownies | ParahSailin_: smart man. | 23:16 |
| jmil | no, but close a couple times | 23:16 |
| jmil | he was just so damn cagey | 23:16 |
| jmil | i REEEEALLLY wish they had made times for questions. that was the only problem with the conf. | 23:16 |
| jmil | i had a good one | 23:16 |
| ParahSailin_ | so makerbot is going patent? | 23:17 |
| jmil | brownies: their designs sucked and on top of that they always claim credit for stuff they stole from reprap | 23:19 |
| brownies | jmil: i see | 23:21 |
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| @kanzure | jmil: what other things went down at ohs? anything worth knowing about? | 23:21 |
| jmil | kanzure: lots of good stuff, mostly victory lap stuff you prolly heard about before. what i learned most was new business models and how many people are rocking open source in practice not just theory | 23:23 |
| @kanzure | brownies: btw look up makerbot on glassdoor. the employees' reviews are hilarious. | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | basically bre is a mega idiot and they can't get out of the job fast enough | 23:26 |
| jmil | it's shocking to me these things took so long to shake out | 23:27 |
| jmil | everyone saw it coming for years | 23:28 |
| jmil | how bad they were and how badly run | 23:28 |
| jmil | but now the whole internet KNOWS | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | so what.. bre was just abusing zach? | 23:28 |
| jmil | Zach is steve Wozniak. Bre is Jobs. | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | bre is not steve jobs | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | bre is a moron compared to steve | 23:28 |
| jmil | Zach is a kid in a candy store. "Hey Bre, my awesome friend, look what i made today!" | 23:28 |
| jmil | kanzure: bre is steve jobs in his head. i didn't say in reality | 23:29 |
| @kanzure | ah :) | 23:29 |
| jmil | kanzure: look at the sanguino video bre did of zach. if that doesn't capture the relationship, nothing will | 23:29 |
| jmil | the launch video | 23:29 |
| @kanzure | link? | 23:29 |
| brownies | jmil: what new business models did you learn about? | 23:30 |
| jmil | kanzure: can't find the link | 23:31 |
| brownies | i tried watching the MakerBot2 launch video on that blog post, but i couldn't tolerate that weird-looking dude for more than 10 seconds | 23:31 |
| jmil | don't be racist | 23:31 |
| brownies | i'm not racist. it was his strange, strange body language | 23:31 |
| jmil | oh | 23:31 |
| jmil | he's in waaaaay over his head | 23:32 |
| brownies | apparently they raised $10M ... which explains the 150 employees | 23:32 |
| ParahSailin_ | sens just lost their senior scientist | 23:32 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: who? | 23:32 |
| ParahSailin_ | gouri | 23:32 |
| brownies | he called that a "small amount of money" in the fucking blog post -_- | 23:32 |
| @kanzure | was gouri fired? | 23:32 |
| ParahSailin_ | no, i think she got poached | 23:33 |
| @kanzure | so what is sens going to do? | 23:34 |
| @kanzure | i think they have more management than scientists | 23:34 |
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| ParahSailin_ | i dont really have intel on them anymore, just saw gouri's linkedin changed | 23:38 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah, sens is fucked-er than i could have imagined | 23:39 |
| ParahSailin_ | time to give up and find honest living | 23:40 |
| ParahSailin_ | jacques must be the senior scientist at this point | 23:40 |
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| @kanzure | hahah | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | so while trying to find the video that jmil is talking about | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | i ended up here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zirHL_rRBu0 | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | and the top comments are all responses to "trent waddington" who's comment "has received too many negative votes" | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | he shows up in these parts as QuantumG | 23:44 |
| @kanzure | also he's the one that hosts http://www.quantumg.net/carmack_takes_bishop.php :\ | 23:44 |
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| @kanzure | jmil: i don't think it was a sanguino video. bre didn't seem to be involved in that one. | 23:50 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: wow that michael guy is getting really mean. | 23:53 |
| jmil | kanzure: it was 2 am and zach called bre to come to nyc resistor with a video camera and he did and zach showed off the sanguino he just invented that night | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | what was wrong with the vid? | 23:53 |
| brownies | this video sounds delightful. i must see it. | 23:54 |
| jmil | i just meant it showed the relationship very clearly. zach does all the dev work on his own. bre builds a company around it | 23:54 |
| archels | kanzure: Our of curiosity, what software did you use for Navier-Stokes simulations? | 23:57 |
| @kanzure | archels: probably openfoam | 23:59 |
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