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| kanzure | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/us/worries-over-defense-dept-money-for-hackerspaces.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 | 02:13 |
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| kanzure | "The founders of Open Biotech will be speaking at the Open Science Summit coming up in a couple weeks. They are a biotech startup here in the Bay Area and actually have some close ties to the origins of Biocurious from back in the garage days." | 02:18 |
| kanzure | god damn it people, stop giving your companies names like that | 02:18 |
| kanzure | in this case i suspect he's referring to http://www.openbiotech.com/ | 02:18 |
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| Lucas__ | Good morning | 05:09 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, Lucas__. | 05:25 |
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| skorket | morning | 06:34 |
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| kanzure | beep | 09:53 |
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| Mokstar | boop | 09:58 |
| Mokstar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRCemf2JHc | 09:59 |
| Mokstar | Gershon Kingsley, "Popcorn" | 10:00 |
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| jrayhawk | ybit: just out of curiousity, why are you running five irssis | 10:43 |
| jrayhawk | it seems like an odd thing to do | 10:43 |
| kanzure | nmz787: yashgaroth: hi | 10:43 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 10:43 |
| nmz787 | hi homies | 10:45 |
| nmz787 | so that video of my talk has 21 views | 10:45 |
| nmz787 | pretty cool :D, there were about 20 real people in attendance | 10:46 |
| archels | nmz787: What's the URL? | 10:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zpEyDvdRA | 10:48 |
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| archels | a DNA typewriter. thanks | 10:58 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: "Yeah I saw, on the road, don't have a recent irc client o respond. His answer: It's because I don't want the separate networks within irssi since I can switch more quickly in screen" | 11:10 |
| kanzure | that's amusing | 11:10 |
| kanzure | oh hm 4.1 GB of irc logs for him. | 11:12 |
| jrayhawk | huh; seems like there should be a plugin for nested service and chatroom navigation | 11:13 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: you should add a link in that video's description to the ntm787 youtube user page | 11:31 |
| nmz787 | Check out Nathan's other videos here: | 11:31 |
| nmz787 | www.youtube.com/user/ntm787 | 11:31 |
| kanzure | what's with the t | 11:33 |
| kanzure | done | 11:33 |
| nmz787 | thomas | 11:35 |
| nmz787 | so i've been getting UPMC biosecurity news emailings | 11:35 |
| nmz787 | I signed up for them | 11:35 |
| nmz787 | but I think they track which articles you read | 11:35 |
| nmz787 | for instance this White House Hack Attack (The Washington Free Beacon) Hackers linked to China's government broke into one of the US government's most sensitive computer networks, breaching a system used by the White House Military Office for nuclear commands, according to defense and intelligence officials familiar with the incident. | 11:36 |
| nmz787 | links to this http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001hSvkvcbkOcSzQoX9erN34zAvOAcjOtqs8-EwSQfgh_30TpnMuZebduhv3mCBIh8jvsg0O4LqRn5RRzjbCjxFNUzi2169Dd3gt6x6ItpPGdS-M7D9I1XJ-hJnuVOKkzcgEIFmr8nuha32eUkWggHDJGlRZ-H6m4_fwZdwV6tuVF4UU063PZ-un_bFwU9J7MfYZ2N8AAhCWxS9LPkHNmQivVeTRhDuUccF_OSRmO_vlJ24WPkNkLET9vAyJd3N1WvOcPj6lcwCSw-Ht2bP0A0UVw== | 11:36 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: yep, that's a common way of tracking whether people are clicking on things in emails | 11:36 |
| nmz787 | which then shows this in my url bar http://freebeacon.com/white-house-hack-attack/?utm_source=BNT%2C+October+5%2C+2012&utm_campaign=BNT100512&utm_medium=email | 11:36 |
| kanzure | another way is by detecting whether or not users load images in html emails. naturally, i disable images in my emails. | 11:37 |
| nmz787 | but googling the first line provides the same page http://freebeacon.com/white-house-hack-attack/ | 11:37 |
| kanzure | utm_ tracking is google analytics or urchin | 11:37 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 11:37 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: you could also add http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/ to that video summary | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | i couldn't remember the link and told the folks to search site:diypl.us laser_etcher | 14:42 |
| kanzure | ok done | 14:43 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: who is Aaron lewis dinkin? | 14:52 |
| kanzure | dunno, i have nothing on him | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | i think he's from diybio | 14:56 |
| nmz787 | cyan.fox@gmail.com | 14:57 |
| kanzure | first interaction 2009-04-24 | 14:57 |
| kanzure | win 4 | 15:03 |
| kanzure | idfdjaiod | 15:03 |
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| skorket | nmz787, hows the laser cutter going? | 16:27 |
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| curt1s | 0 | 17:21 |
| yashgaroth | 1 | 17:21 |
| curt1s | hi | 17:22 |
| yashgaroth | hello | 17:22 |
| curt1s | how's it going | 17:22 |
| yashgaroth | pretty good, how about yourself | 17:22 |
| curt1s | going well thanks | 17:22 |
| curt1s | really enjoyed nathans talk at genspace the other day | 17:23 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I should probably watch that | 17:23 |
| curt1s | oh, was it recorded | 17:23 |
| curt1s | if theres a video somewhere id love to share with a few friends | 17:24 |
| yashgaroth | let me see if I can find it | 17:24 |
| yashgaroth | ah right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zpEyDvdRA | 17:24 |
| curt1s | ah nice thanks | 17:27 |
| yashgaroth | he's usually here at like 12-2am EST | 17:28 |
| yashgaroth | and occasionally other, more normal times | 17:28 |
| curt1s | cool | 17:29 |
| curt1s | i didnt actually talk with him but people seemed to be giving him lots of suggestions | 17:29 |
| curt1s | variety of engineers and teachery types | 17:30 |
| yashgaroth | I always expect genspace to be mostly 'bioartists', with very few biologists, due to new york | 17:31 |
| curt1s | yeah i dont have a very good sense of what goes on there | 17:31 |
| curt1s | one of the cofounders (oliver) seemed very welcoming at least | 17:31 |
| curt1s | mentioned he has stockpiled a good collection of equipment from ebay | 17:31 |
| curt1s | but said the hardest part for them has been finding qualified people to do stuff there | 17:32 |
| yashgaroth | I guess there's a little biotech in jersey, and of course people from the universities, but it's not exactly a biotech hub | 17:32 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: genspace has ellen who is arguably not an artist at all | 17:32 |
| kanzure | ellen outclasses most of the biocurious folks | 17:33 |
| yashgaroth | well that's why she gets to talk at ted I guess | 17:33 |
| curt1s | i think ellen was there the other day too | 17:33 |
| curt1s | she had a lot of awards/certificates on the wall | 17:33 |
| curt1s | i dont know much background | 17:33 |
| kanzure | curt1s: you might also enjoy this series of videos on biohacking | 17:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgO7JBj821uEOMG1gytmF8VIu1Prp20zY | 17:34 |
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| curt1s | oh nice, thanks :) | 17:34 |
| curt1s | i am pretty new to all this | 17:34 |
| yashgaroth | did they ever upload her ted talk? I kind of zoned out when she did the rehearsal | 17:34 |
| kanzure | and please edit http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 17:34 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: ted holds off on posting videos to give some "lead time" or w/e | 17:34 |
| yashgaroth | pfft | 17:34 |
| kanzure | http://blog.ted.com/2012/06/26/do-it-yourself-biotech-ellen-jorgensen-at-tedglobal-2012/ | 17:35 |
| kanzure | "People don't know I'm good at: Building log cabins in Alaska, martial arts, oil painting" | 17:35 |
| kanzure | ellen does martial arts? heh | 17:36 |
| kanzure | there was a hilariously long line of nerds filtering through the isle at target because pokemon black/white 2 got released early | 17:37 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: so what was your opinion on the http://openbiotech.com/ store thing? | 17:38 |
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| yashgaroth | pretty nice, needs more stuff | 17:42 |
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| yashgaroth | also I don't understand why they only sell hela and 3t3, in fact the whole site is a mish-mosh of somewhat random products...though I guess it's probably limited to patent-free stuff | 17:43 |
| kanzure | their rhetoric is a little lousy | 17:43 |
| kanzure | almost wrong, really | 17:43 |
| yashgaroth | man I don't care about rhetoric as long as I get dem plasmidz | 17:44 |
| kanzure | sure sure | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i'm just curious who's running it | 17:44 |
| kanzure | hahah "Isn't open source unprofitable?" on this page: http://www.openbiotech.com/category_s/1821.htm | 17:45 |
| kanzure | that entire explanation is completely wrong about open source | 17:45 |
| kanzure | and i'm struggling to think of someone who works in regenerative medicine who is also pro-using-ASP.. that's a very short list of people.. | 17:47 |
| yashgaroth | asp being? | 17:48 |
| curt1s | kanzure: that definition of open source is pretty cringe worthy | 17:49 |
| curt1s | Open source principles did indeed build a reputation of being unprofitable, largely due to the experience in software development. | 17:49 |
| curt1s | ^ugh | 17:49 |
| curt1s | what | 17:49 |
| yashgaroth | "we anticipate no less than an industry-wide collapse of biological reagent pricing as a direct result of our open source policies" well at least they're full of themselves | 17:49 |
| curt1s | what "experience in software development," i wonder | 17:50 |
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| kanzure | curt1s: yeah. open source is the money-making arm of free software. | 17:51 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: i don't see their reasoning. they think that providing sequences in a text file will collapse their competitors, and give themselves more money? | 17:52 |
| yashgaroth | if they're under CC I imagine they only provide out-of-patent cell lines/reagents/assays/sequences | 17:53 |
| yashgaroth | so...I guess it's kind of annoying sometimes to find a sequence, sort of | 17:53 |
| kanzure | but what's the reasoning here? why will they be immune to the "collapse"? | 17:53 |
| yashgaroth | ah, well you see | 17:53 |
| kanzure | i think they're full of shit. i'd like to see whether the tubes they ship end up having the right dna, though. | 17:53 |
| streety | has anyone compared their prices with the 'closed-source' companies? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | they should send some free samples out to bloggers, and have the bloggers sequence the samples, to prove their credibility. | 17:55 |
| yashgaroth | I tried to compare their BCA kit but they don't even say what the volume is | 17:56 |
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| streety | and why is it under standards and ladders? | 17:57 |
| yashgaroth | I guess you use standards in the assay | 17:57 |
| streety | still kind of weird | 18:00 |
| streety | I've had no better luck finding the volume | 18:00 |
| yashgaroth | the whole site's a bit weird, not to mention vague | 18:00 |
| streety | I'm not a fan of their pre-diluted protein standard, you have to reconstitute each vial so you can mess up the volume | 18:02 |
| streety | you might as well just do it yourself | 18:02 |
| yashgaroth | assuming their standard kit is 500mL of reagent A, I guess it's about half the price of thermo's? | 18:04 |
| yashgaroth | who is the person behind it, anyway? shouldn't they be the ones posting it to diybio | 18:05 |
| kanzure | hrm who posted it | 18:05 |
| yashgaroth | oh apparently they'll be attending jojack's thing | 18:05 |
| kanzure | Sebastian S. Cocioba <scocioba@gmail.com> | 18:05 |
| streety | the standards are also about half the price of thermo's - but for thermo they are already reconstituted | 18:06 |
| streety | just getting a 2 mg/ml standard and doing it yourself costs about 8 times less though | 18:07 |
| kanzure | oh oops | 18:07 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: it's just john schloendorn | 18:07 |
| streety | actually about 4 times less, but thats in comparison to the openbiotech prices | 18:07 |
| kanzure | i am very disappointed in him. i thought he understood open source better. | 18:07 |
| kanzure | and why is john using asp? | 18:09 |
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| streety | to spark debate? | 18:22 |
| kanzure | well. other than that i suppose i support him in this :p | 18:25 |
| streety | it definitely has promise | 18:27 |
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| delinquentme | Glucocorticoids | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | anyone? LEGAL ones? or OTC ones? | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | Glucocorticoids >> gluconeogenesis >> more focus without cookies | 19:39 |
| brownies | mmmm... cookies | 19:47 |
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| kanzure | neat: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Move_to_next/previous_line_with_same_indentation | 20:33 |
| kanzure | haha the user interface for this machine is recorded in ascii text: | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | "AECL had never tested the Therac-25 with the combination of software and hardware until it was assembled at the hospital." | 20:48 |
| kanzure | hah what | 20:49 |
| kanzure | "The machine also used its own operating system." so they wrote a custom operating system for a machine and never tested it until it was assembled at the customer's site? | 20:50 |
| curt1s | haha | 20:51 |
| curt1s | i mean...not so funny about the radiation overdoses | 20:52 |
| curt1s | but wtf | 20:53 |
| kanzure | well, i'm more curious about the procurement process | 20:53 |
| kanzure | so AECL said they had some equipment and a hospital was like "YEP, that one" and suddenly the product was created? | 20:54 |
| curt1s | The system noticed that something was wrong and halted the X-ray beam, but merely displayed the word "MALFUNCTION" followed by a number from 1 to 64. The user manual did not explain or even address the error codes, so the operator pressed the P key to override the warning and proceed anyway. | 20:54 |
| brownies | wow. | 20:54 |
| kanzure | perfect | 20:54 |
| joshcryer | The real issue is that the plate was hardware limited, but they removed it and made it software limited. Hardware (physics) > software any day. | 21:26 |
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| joshcryer | Even if your software is 100% formally proven it can still fail in unexpected ways due to hardware failure. | 21:28 |
| kanzure | it sounds like they forgot about some interrupts or something | 21:29 |
| joshcryer | Is there a good place that can test the composition of something I have for a fee? | 21:37 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: for free? probably not, unless it was some unusual piece. | 21:38 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, reading, you're doing it wrong. :P | 21:38 |
| kanzure | oh i see. uh, scienceexchange is probably your quickest bet. | 21:39 |
| joshcryer | Funnily, Google made the same autocorrect on a search I did... | 21:39 |
| kanzure | google's autocorrect sucks. and so does their search ever since + and "" don't mean anything. | 21:39 |
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| JayDugger | joshcryer, yes, if you need a metallurgical failure analysis. I can ask my cousin. | 22:21 |
| JayDugger | It can cost a great deal of money, though. | 22:21 |
| joshcryer | What kind of tech would be used to test it? | 22:25 |
| kanzure | two kids jumping up and down on it for hours | 22:26 |
| ParahSailin_ | you want to know what exactly? | 22:26 |
| joshcryer | If I told you I'd have to... | 22:34 |
| ParahSailin_ | elemental analysis? | 22:44 |
| JayDugger | I don't know enough about the lab where he works to list their equipment. They work only with metal samples. Generally they do failure analysis for insurance claims and the like. | 22:45 |
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| kanzure | http://biohackingsydney.org/ | 23:22 |
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| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 9ffc1ea sydney link | 23:22 |
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