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| @kanzure | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12887700/can-code-that-is-valid-in-both-c-and-c-produce-different-behavior-when-compile | 07:55 |
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| @kanzure | boop | 10:48 |
| archels | http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0046182 | 10:51 |
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| @kanzure | archels: what is it? | 10:57 |
| archels | relating brain size to cancer via reduced apoptosis | 11:01 |
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| jrayhawk | yeah, there are theories running around that many cancers cause random retrotransposon activity and contribute to human adaptation during times of widespread environmental stress | 11:20 |
| jrayhawk | with tens of thousands of "'hail mary' passes", surely one of them must land somewhere useful! | 11:23 |
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| Mokstar | jrayhawk: it's all fun and games until people start spraying red beams of pure kinetic force from their eyes. | 12:18 |
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| Urchin | nah, that's still fun | 13:08 |
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| @kanzure | http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/BioHacking_vs._BioPunk,_I'MM_Media_Lab,_Zagreb | 15:58 |
| @kanzure | "versus" :\ | 15:58 |
| @kanzure | i think i blame this guy http://www.dusseiller.ch/labs/ | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | http://hackteria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NZZ_diybio_and_interview_april2012.pdf | 16:00 |
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| Burninate | http://www.nature.com/news/stem-cell-transplant-claims-debunked-1.11584 | 16:48 |
| Burninate | http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20121015a1.html | 16:49 |
| Mokstar | jeez | 16:55 |
| Mokstar | I've been reading about all kinds of fraudulent research coming out of Asia lately | 16:55 |
| Mokstar | we need some good ol' fashioned American fraudulent research to balance things out | 16:55 |
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| streety | that looks like a fairly half-hearted attempted fraud | 17:50 |
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| roksprok | Mokstar: you will not have to look very hard. http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/research-fraud-exploded-over-the-last-decade/ | 18:16 |
| skorket | evening | 18:19 |
| roksprok | hi skorket | 18:31 |
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| skorket | hey roksprok | 18:59 |
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| @kanzure | kosha: hi | 19:27 |
| kosha | what's up kanzure! | 19:27 |
| kosha | how's your night? | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | do you have a brother named james who sells shoes? | 19:27 |
| kosha | no, i wish tho. a shoe hookup would be awesome | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | ah okay. you sounded related to this guy who was doing this shoe selling api.. thing. | 19:28 |
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| skorket | kanzure, do you have an actual roadmap for the DIY BIO stuff? Like a technology tree of what's needed, what depends on what and how to kind of advance the field? | 20:19 |
| skorket | is that too vague? | 20:19 |
| nmz787 | i dont think so | 20:20 |
| @kanzure | skorket: yeah i have something.. it's not quite a tree | 20:21 |
| skorket | oh, hey nmz787, didn't see you there | 20:21 |
| skorket | a DAG then | 20:21 |
| skorket | you're in rochester, nmz787? | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | most of the equipment doesn't require each other really | 20:21 |
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| galambo_ | what do you guys think of bitcoins | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | most of it is like one or two actuators, some tubes for liquids, some measurement sensors, a chip to coordinate shit | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | and lots of plastic | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | sometimes laser beams | 20:22 |
| nmz787 | yes | 20:23 |
| nmz787 | skorket: ^ | 20:23 |
| skorket | job or school? | 20:23 |
| nmz787 | just packing for portland | 20:24 |
| skorket | ah | 20:24 |
| skorket | hmm, any DIY dna sequencers? | 20:25 |
| nmz787 | not yet | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | skorket: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | oh sorry wait, that was a synth | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | what am i thinking | 20:25 |
| nmz787 | need to basically a spectrometer with UV | 20:25 |
| skorket | still good to know | 20:25 |
| galambo_ | that text file you posted listed gel electrophoresis equipment | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | galambo_: yes, sorry | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | not impressive | 20:26 |
| skorket | wasn't IBM developing some type of sequencer chip that fed dna through a sensing channel to read the whole strand of DNA at one go? Whatever happened to that? | 20:28 |
| @kanzure | there are many nanopore-based dna sequencing startups | 20:28 |
| @kanzure | like 40 of them | 20:28 |
| galambo_ | what is not impressive | 20:33 |
| @kanzure | gel boxes | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | they are just boxes with tabs cut into them | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | they are not a shinning example of technological excellence | 20:34 |
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| galambo_ | i thought dna sequencing is done by pcr amplification and electrophoresis | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | there are many methods of dna sequencing | 20:35 |
| galambo_ | a television is just a vacuum tube with two bits of metal on either end | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | the modern methods in dna sequencing involve running nucleotides through a nanopore and checking a current through it | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | or bouncing photons off of photogroups and shit | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | or cleaving off photostuff | 20:35 |
| galambo_ | yes but he asked for diy methods | 20:35 |
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| skorket | kanzure, links on photon methods? | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | he also mentioned the IBM thing, which i assume was a nanopore | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | skorket: oh i don't know. all of the pacbio stuff. | 20:36 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Real-time%20DNA%20sequencing%20from%20single%20polymerase%20molecules.pdf | 20:36 |
| skorket | right, modifying the polymerase to give off a photon when it munches a base pair. | 20:39 |
| galambo_ | do you guys only talk about chemistry stuff here | 20:41 |
| galambo_ | has anyone tried to go transhuman in here? like for real? | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | you'll have to be a bit more specific | 20:52 |
| galambo_ | like has anyone injected themselves with this diy gene stuff? | 20:52 |
| galambo_ | oh cool there are kits on the website http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/kits/ | 20:56 |
| galambo_ | which one will turn me into the 6 million dollar man | 20:56 |
| Mokstar | hahaha | 21:01 |
| Mokstar | "go transhuman" | 21:01 |
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| galambo_ | where im from trying to do something like that would be proceeded by yelling "hey guys check this out" | 21:07 |
| cpopell | kanz, know if there's any new people local to me? | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | cpopell: where are u?> | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | galambo_: "diy gene stuff". i think you might be an idiot. | 21:24 |
| cpopell | Northern virginia | 21:24 |
| @kanzure | galambo_: i think there's definitely things you can do. but randomly injecting yourself with "stuff" wont be useful. | 21:27 |
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| strangewarp | galambo_: Right now, the only things you can do to your body are put magnets in your fingers or give yourself supercancer. | 21:49 |
| strangewarp | That will probably improve in the future, but right now, nope. | 21:50 |
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| @kanzure | strangewarp: that's not entirely true. you can install terrible cochlear implants, prosthetic limbs, digital vision stuff, stem cells, pacemakers, even some weird gene therapies seem to work sometimes | 22:22 |
| strangewarp | Oh right, those things.. | 22:26 |
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| AlonzoTG | =\ | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10021074/array-of-10000-having-16bit-elements-find-bits-set-unlimited-ram-google-int | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | :P | 23:06 |
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