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| AdrianG | so u ppl pre-ordered leapmotion stuff yet | 00:04 |
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| kanzure | bloop | 07:16 |
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| abetusk | morning | 07:29 |
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| EnLilaSko | Sorry for the DC yesterday kanzure, no idea what was up with my internet | 07:34 |
| kanzure | okay | 07:35 |
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| kanzure | 3ds decapping fundraising project http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Fundraiser | 08:18 |
| kanzure | "To reiterate, what we're trying to do is: send in initially 1 3DS to a professional lab to get delayered and imaged (covering the costs of doing so). The resulting SEM images will be reconstructed and used towards discovering more of the hardware secrets inside the " | 08:19 |
| kanzure | what lab does this? | 08:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html | 08:20 |
| kanzure | oh hm i don't remember seeing this | 08:47 |
| kanzure | http://homecmos.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/lithography-tests/labnotes/azonenberg_labnotes.txt | 08:47 |
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| kanzure | "Degate - an open source software for semi-automatic reverse engineering of logic in integrated circuits." | 09:09 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/nitram2342/degate | 09:10 |
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| heath | kanzure: i can't recall the name of the set of terminal tools which, at some point, allowed you to query google | 10:33 |
| heath | would you mind tossing out a few app names? | 10:34 |
| heath | it had support for other services... | 10:35 |
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| kanzure | heath: googlecl | 10:38 |
| heath | looking at that now, but it's not what i was thinking of | 10:38 |
| heath | iirc the developers quit maintaining it... | 10:38 |
| kanzure | yeah, googlecl. developers quit. | 10:39 |
| heath | heh | 10:39 |
| heath | that's not it, i know i learned about it from you, guess i'll have to grep some logs | 10:39 |
| heath | which requires me fetching a few hdds from my car.. | 10:40 |
| kanzure | or just http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 10:40 |
| kanzure | oh were you displaced by any chance? is that what's going on? | 10:40 |
| heath | i just didn't setup stuff properly | 10:41 |
| @fenn | surfraw? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | does surfraw even work these days? | 10:46 |
| @fenn | doubtful | 10:46 |
| @fenn | kinda sad really, it doesn't take that much to keep it up to date | 10:47 |
| @fenn | huh. apt-get install googlecl | 10:47 |
| kanzure | there's an effort/reward barrier and the reward just isn't high enough to warrant me figuring out how to use sourceforge enough to submit a patch | 10:47 |
| heath | fenn: that's the one | 10:47 |
| heath | heh, i had just found it :) | 10:47 |
| heath | should have stayed in here a little longer | 10:47 |
| heath | found it with this query: browsing the web from command line site:gnusha.org/logs | 10:48 |
| heath | now to find the website which gave you magical commands to do things like whois queries... | 10:48 |
| @fenn | ip-adress.com is usable | 10:49 |
| @fenn | dunno why you'd need a website to do whois queries | 10:49 |
| heath | eh, it allowed you to create aliases for common things you search for.. | 10:50 |
| @fenn | like comcast's broken DNS search? | 10:51 |
| heath | yubnub | 10:52 |
| kanzure | what are you, an ewok? | 10:52 |
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| @fenn | wait a minute, googlecl doesn't let you search?! | 10:54 |
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| @fenn | sigh. | 11:00 |
| kanzure | sqlalchemy-migrate is being evil today and is generating python with "<function <lambda> at 0x...>" in it | 11:01 |
| kanzure | that's not vaild python! | 11:01 |
| kanzure | *valid | 11:05 |
| kanzure | "a widespread myth, but steroids are actually not useful for programming or hacking".. damn there goes my plans for "hackers on steroids". | 11:10 |
| jrayhawk | googlecl also doesn't support downloading videos | 11:11 |
| kanzure | oh.. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hackers%20on%20steroids | 11:11 |
| @fenn | is there any evidence to back up that statement? | 11:11 |
| @fenn | (about steroids) | 11:11 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i just use it to upload videos | 11:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: to my knowledge no | 11:11 |
| kanzure | ok men we must conduct a science | 11:12 |
| kanzure | as soon as i figure out what the hell counts as a cycle | 11:13 |
| @fenn | we'll take n=100 rats and give half of them steroids, then see which group performs better at a standard programming task | 11:13 |
| jrayhawk | anabolics tend to crash the immune system and testosterone production | 11:13 |
| jrayhawk | leading to really gnarly mood and hormone problems | 11:14 |
| kanzure | well that's why you take a testosterone supplement during your cycles, right? | 11:14 |
| jrayhawk | dicking around with direct hormone replacement generally doesn't work; production is is a complex process that sends off a lot of signals in and of itself. | 11:14 |
| kanzure | damn it where's Stee||| when you need him | 11:15 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, has a lot of signalling byproducts whose absence will disrupt homeostasis, and you'd essentially need to be psychic to compensate for properly | 11:16 |
| @fenn | good thing steroids also confer supernatural powers of the ethereal sort | 11:16 |
| kanzure | no one said the steroids make them better hackers, they're just hackers who happen to be on steroids too | 11:16 |
| kanzure | oops | 11:17 |
| kanzure | that was supposed to be quoted | 11:17 |
| kanzure | < clone_of_saturn> no one said the steroids make them better hackers, they're just hackers who happen to be on steroids too | 11:17 |
| kanzure | i still think it's lame that joseph jackson didn't use steroids | 11:18 |
| jrayhawk | he might've! | 11:18 |
| kanzure | he claims that he didn't, plus his ocd makes me believe that he really did get compulsive about lifting | 11:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/philosopherbody | 11:19 |
| jrayhawk | Consuming stonking great assloads of IGF-1-heavy milk protein will also grow tissues real fast. | 11:20 |
| jrayhawk | Unfortunately adipose tissues are among them, but those are easy enough to lean back out later. | 11:21 |
| kanzure | i should have injected some of his pics into my presentations during the conferences that he runs | 11:22 |
| jrayhawk | hee | 11:22 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised he doesn't hate me | 11:22 |
| jrayhawk | http://singularityu.org/singularity-university-acquires-the-singularity-summit/ | 12:35 |
| kanzure | is this an okay time to release singularity summit's root key | 12:36 |
| jrayhawk | 'some jerk on the internet acquires the singularity summit' | 12:36 |
| kanzure | "As part of the agreement, Singularity University will also acquire the Singularity Institute brand, including the singularity.org domain" | 12:36 |
| kanzure | "The current Singularity Institute organization will continue operations under a new brand to be determined" | 12:37 |
| kanzure | so! siai is dead! | 12:37 |
| kanzure | TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS | 12:37 |
| jrayhawk | i think it's getting merged into a research role at SU | 12:37 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no, i guess not...? i should actually read that press release | 12:40 |
| kanzure | YEP http://singularity.org/php-bin/people-output.ver.1.txt | 12:43 |
| kanzure | your singularity will not be run by php | 12:44 |
| kanzure | these guys can't even keep their site secured, why would anyone trust them with ai security | 12:45 |
| jrayhawk | there are PHP-based polymorphic worms out there | 12:50 |
| jrayhawk | the PHP ecosystem offers a great opportunity to evolve increasingly sophisticated programs | 12:51 |
| @fenn | did eliezer ever finish his fanfic? | 12:54 |
| @fenn | just kidding i don't care | 12:54 |
| jrayhawk | okay so what you do is build an eliza bot with a database of combined output of shodan, durundal/tycho/cortana, and methods of rationality, and then have it interject at low rate into singinst sites | 12:55 |
| @fenn | cortana? | 12:55 |
| @fenn | "you've got to stop the covenant AI, master chief!" | 12:55 |
| jrayhawk | cortana eventually went rampant, from what i hear | 12:56 |
| jrayhawk | i never really played any of those games, but i assume some of the bungie people remembered how that sort of thing worked from back when they made good games | 12:56 |
| jrayhawk | okay, skip cortana, use the Deus Ex AIs | 12:57 |
| @fenn | guess i prefer marvin the paranoid android | 12:58 |
| @fenn | or various iain banks characters | 12:58 |
| jrayhawk | malevolent takeoff AIs i think are best | 12:59 |
| @fenn | "my schedule today lists a six hour self-accusatory depression." | 12:59 |
| ThomasEgi | marvin ♥ | 12:59 |
| @fenn | sometimes it seems like more content has disappeared from the internet than currently exists | 13:02 |
| @fenn | "The pulldown menu, the checkbox, and the bureaucracy-inspired text entry form were invented 25 years ago, desperation devices to counter inadequate technology. They were created for a world that no longer exists." | 13:04 |
| @fenn | with SIAI gone, who will fill the niche of doomsayer? where will the journalists go to get juicy images of annihilation and despair? | 13:09 |
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| @fenn | perhaps the zero state project will step up to the plate | 13:12 |
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| kanzure | all of these people have been emailing me private encouragement in response to that thread of me vs. zero state | 13:19 |
| @fenn | tbh i haven't gotten around to reading about it yet | 13:21 |
| kanzure | it's not that exciting | 13:22 |
| kanzure | you can probably assume what i said | 13:22 |
| kanzure | zero state guy: blah blah blah a new community hub for transhumanists | 13:22 |
| kanzure | me: kdfjljasdkfjaddkasfjkad;flajdfjaskl;dfas | 13:22 |
| kanzure | zero state guy: oh so you hate artists? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | me: jkdlfajdfaldfkjakdfjakdfkajda | 13:22 |
| @fenn | they seem to be conflating "old transhimanism" with some kind of state/corporate agenda? i'm not sure where that idea came from | 13:24 |
| @fenn | " Part of the problem with Transhumanism has been an overly formal, hierarchical structure, involving specific rules for membership," really? like, joining a mailing list? | 13:24 |
| @fenn | what the hell is he talking about? | 13:25 |
| kanzure | no idea dude | 13:25 |
| @fenn | also, for advocating "technology" they're extremely vague about what technolgies they advocate | 13:26 |
| kanzure | vageuon particle accelerator | 13:27 |
| @fenn | horse and buggy? helium fusion? trusted computing? who knows | 13:27 |
| kanzure | maybe it's a grab bag | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "grab bag transhumanism" | 13:27 |
| @fenn | it is all so political and non-technical i just am not interested at all | 13:29 |
| @fenn | "think tank" really? | 13:29 |
| @fenn | it's like some hilarious parody of the republican party | 13:30 |
| @fenn | okay maybe that went too far | 13:30 |
| @fenn | but "Consensus of Democratic Futurist Parties", and they can't even make the webpage work | 13:31 |
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| kanzure | what's wrong with their webpage? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | besides not saying anything | 13:42 |
| @fenn | oh just a bad link | 13:46 |
| kanzure | http://tetrad.org/ | 13:46 |
| kanzure | what "consultancy regarding positive technological change" | 13:47 |
| kanzure | god why do things have to be so awful arrrrghhh | 13:47 |
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| @fenn | "A finely-tuned mergesort is available with the word “sort,” and even more finely-tuned hashing algorithms require just a pair of brackets. Until machine learning is as accessible and effortless as typing the word “learn,” it will never become widespread." | 13:57 |
| kanzure | i should probably do more Go things | 14:02 |
| kanzure | i mean, go-lang | 14:02 |
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| @fenn | " I see a generation of users wasting their lives pointing, clicking, dragging, typing, as gigahertz processors spin idly and gigabyte memories remember nothing. I see machines, machines, machines!" | 14:06 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with typing? | 14:06 |
| kanzure | and why would processors spin?? | 14:06 |
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| @fenn | the idea is prediction can be accomplished with zero user input | 14:08 |
| kanzure | i still haven't mastered plover | 14:08 |
| @fenn | i haven't even started | 14:08 |
| kanzure | did anyone notice that dasher is installed by default in debian wheezy? | 14:08 |
| @fenn | meh | 14:08 |
| kanzure | sorta useless for most users i imagine | 14:09 |
| @fenn | it's great if you have no arms or legs | 14:09 |
| @fenn | personally i'm not so into predictive interfaces | 14:09 |
| @fenn | i think raskin is (was?) on the right track | 14:10 |
| kanzure | if your typing something that can be predicted so easily, perhaps that should be factored out of your routine anyway | 14:10 |
| @fenn | well, that was the point | 14:10 |
| kanzure | and why would processors spin??e | 14:10 |
| kanzure | *you'r | 14:11 |
| kanzure | how'd that e get up there | 14:11 |
| @fenn | well, what else would they do? | 14:11 |
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| @fenn | vibrate? | 14:11 |
| @fenn | twinkle? | 14:11 |
| kanzure | yes the quartz clock vibrates | 14:11 |
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| kanzure | or.. resonates | 14:12 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 19:44 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 19:44 |
| kanzure | i am getting HDPE spam | 19:45 |
| kanzure | i am so confused whether or not i should 'mark as spam' | 19:45 |
| yashgaroth | high density polyethylene? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:46 |
| yashgaroth | yeah that's a conundrum | 19:46 |
| yashgaroth | brb | 19:46 |
| kanzure | in general, i am happy to support the trend of spam that is actually about stuff i might need | 19:46 |
| kanzure | but, it's still spam | 19:46 |
| joshcryer | you might be lucky and be able to unsub... | 19:48 |
| kanzure | nope no unsubscribe link | 19:49 |
| joshcryer | if there's no unsub link I trash 'em, fuckers | 19:51 |
| joshcryer | generally if it's something interesting I'll keep one mail, trash the rest, and unsub | 19:51 |
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| abetusk | evening all | 20:09 |
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