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| kanzure | [09:46] <Jeff2> The Nemaload project, by David Dalrymple, recently updated its website with more information. | 07:00 |
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| kanzure | https://raw.github.com/gist/4218566/b86c0247c33d07422f69fb2ba116f9096181c232/OpenWorm-Office-12-5-12 | 07:01 |
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| kanzure | i didn't know davidad was calling it nemaload | 07:29 |
| kanzure | http://nemaload.davidad.org/ | 07:29 |
| archels | oh shit they used the word 'upload' | 07:30 |
| archels | What university are you working at? Or is this a startup? | 07:31 |
| archels | This is a privately backed science project, both undertaken and funded for its own sake. It's not a startup (though I collaborate with startups). It's not a university project (though I collaborate with universities, and hold a Research Affiliate appointment at MIT). It's not a new way to do science, because scientists were backed by private patrons centuries ago, but in modern America, it is pretty unusual. | 07:31 |
| kanzure | haha his dob requirements are a little stupid http://nemaload.davidad.org/jobs | 07:32 |
| kanzure | *job | 07:32 |
| archels | NemaLoad is backed by the http://thielfoundation.org/ | 07:32 |
| kanzure | yeah, he knows thiel. | 07:32 |
| kanzure | not surprising. | 07:32 |
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| kirka | Hi kanzure | 07:45 |
| kanzure | hello. | 07:45 |
| kirka | I wanted to ask a few questions about a source of weird bug in NE1 | 07:45 |
| kirka | Possible source of course. | 07:46 |
| kirka | The bug is described as follows: "When I click over a part or assembly, background goes white and model is clipped by half (!) (everything that's further from viewpoint than some plane is just plain white)". It's also strange that this bug manifests itself only with half of parts | 07:48 |
| kirka | These parts are rendered strangely from the beginning: looks like first atom of each subpart is rendered at origin (0,0,0) | 07:49 |
| kirka | I searched quite a lot across drawing code, but I'm not quite familiar with it | 07:50 |
| kirka | Maybe it's more obvious to you | 07:50 |
| kanzure | i suggest adding this to https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/issues so that others can see the issue | 07:50 |
| kanzure | then link to the new issue url and email nanoengineer-dev@googlegroups.com so we can discuss it in public with the other developers | 07:51 |
| kirka | But is it okay, since this is windows x64 bug? | 07:51 |
| kirka | It doesn't manifest itself on linux | 07:51 |
| kanzure | i don't care | 07:51 |
| kirka | Okay | 07:51 |
| kirka | btw, it works very fast on win 64, shaders work too | 07:53 |
| kirka | If we want it to be used by wider audience, windows port could be good thing | 07:54 |
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| kirka | kanzure Aren't you tired of NE1? If yes, than I can not to bug you with it anymore. | 08:00 |
| kirka | I understand that you are quite busy | 08:00 |
| kanzure | i am not tired | 08:03 |
| kirka | Okay then. | 08:03 |
| kirka | kanzure btw I found class diagram at http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/snapshots/NE1_Documentation/, it's useful | 08:05 |
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| kanzure | kirka: thanks for filing the issue | 08:25 |
| kanzure | don't forget to email nanoengineer-dev@googlegroups.com with a link to it | 08:25 |
| kirka | I'm writing it now | 08:26 |
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| kirka | Actually, I think that I should sync my current local repo with my github, so the code were public | 08:27 |
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| kirka | So I'm remebering how to use git again, heh | 08:27 |
| kanzure | kirka: you could push it to a different branch | 08:27 |
| kanzure | git push origin mybranchname:mybranchname (pushes your local branch 'mybranchname' to a branch called 'mybranchname' on github) | 08:27 |
| kirka | Ok, nice idea | 08:27 |
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| kirka | >line: 75(+) 62(-) files: normal=0, non-versioned=5, modified=5943, added=0, deleted=0, conflicted=0 | 08:32 |
| kirka | I'm trying to do domethinag about 5943 "modified" files | 08:32 |
| kirka | *something | 08:33 |
| kirka | There should be much less | 08:33 |
| kanzure | it should say what was chagned | 08:33 |
| kanzure | "git diff" might help | 08:33 |
| kirka | Yes, it says this | 08:33 |
| kirka | That's probably because I cpopied whole local repo from linux to windows | 08:34 |
| kanzure | well, what are the differences? | 08:34 |
| kanzure | pastebin | 08:34 |
| kirka | Oh, I don't remeber every tiny patch | 08:34 |
| kirka | I will do something about it by myself, ok. | 08:35 |
| kirka | Well, I will upload it as it is, then download and check if it works, heh | 08:44 |
| kirka | That should do it | 08:44 |
| kirka | Well, it works like it should. There is new branch Win7x64 | 08:56 |
| kanzure | link? | 08:56 |
| kirka | https://github.com/elfion/nanoengineer | 08:56 |
| kirka | It's main branch now | 08:57 |
| kanzure | i think you mean https://github.com/elfion/nanoengineer/commits/Win7x64 | 08:57 |
| kanzure | it looks like most of the changes are file mode changes | 08:58 |
| kirka | Yes, but you see it thinks that all files were changed, so it's uninformative | 08:58 |
| kanzure | yes, you changed the modes | 08:58 |
| kirka | Ah, that's good | 08:58 |
| kanzure | but why did you do this | 08:58 |
| kirka | That's some OS related things | 08:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: your advice on cleaning this up would be nice | 08:59 |
| kirka | I just copied shole repo as folder from linux to windows | 08:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: any ideas? | 08:59 |
| kirka | *whole | 08:59 |
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| kirka | I will try to ensure that all progress is uploaded to github and software works, and when the whole program will be usable, some kind git-guru could help with cleaning the repo. | 09:04 |
| kanzure | kirka: i'll try to clean this up soon. | 09:04 |
| kirka | Maybe that's too early? | 09:04 |
| kanzure | on windows you have to do a mode change thing with git, | 09:04 |
| kirka | Why don't do it when everything works? | 09:04 |
| kanzure | git config core.filemode false | 09:05 |
| kanzure | because windows sucks | 09:05 |
| kirka | Ok | 09:05 |
| kirka | >windows sucks | 09:06 |
| kirka | I agree, but [video]drivers and heavy CADs work, and that's most important for me. | 09:06 |
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| kirka | kanzure btw Haven't there been eudoxia recently? | 09:17 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen him since 2012-09-21 | 09:17 |
| kirka | Ok, I'll get him by email | 09:18 |
| kirka | He works on cool LLVM lisp | 09:18 |
| kanzure | if you had used "git clone" you would have not had that filemode problem | 09:22 |
| kanzure | but by physically copying from linux to windows, git didn't have a chance to configure itself properly | 09:22 |
| kirka | Ok, I will remember it | 09:22 |
| kanzure | kirka: could you do that and then re-commit? | 09:26 |
| kanzure | this way the commit diff will be more reasonable | 09:26 |
| kirka | Ohh, sorry, I can't. There was large period between, so I forgot which small patches I added. I'm afraid of losing them. | 09:27 |
| kirka | Added some docs | 09:28 |
| kirka | Wow, there is activity in nanoengineer-dev | 09:45 |
| kirka | Hmm http://sourceforge.net/projects/moleculardynami/?source=dlp | 09:50 |
| kirka | I'll try it | 09:50 |
| kanzure | it's just someone's crappy changes.. i wish he would have submitted a diff or something | 09:52 |
| kanzure | instead of creating a completely new project | 09:52 |
| kirka | What intrigues is v1.1.1 that can work on win 7 | 09:52 |
| kanzure | sigh | 09:52 |
| kirka | Heh | 09:52 |
| kirka | I'll work on linux port too | 09:53 |
| kirka | Actually, I'm interested in parallelizing ND-1 win pthreads | 09:53 |
| kirka | *with | 09:53 |
| kirka | If the system is large, splitting pair interactions calculation between threads won't be difficult | 09:54 |
| kirka | *modeled system | 09:54 |
| kirka | >v1.1.1 | 09:57 |
| kirka | Nope: | 09:57 |
| kirka | > File "bsddb3\dbshelve.pyc", line 123, in keys | 09:57 |
| kirka | bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30974, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- C:\\Users\\Kirka\\Nanorex\\Preferences\\bsddb-shelf: pgin failed for page 1') | 09:57 |
| kirka | Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30974, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') in | 09:57 |
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| eudoxia | yo kirka | 10:31 |
| kirka | eudoxia yo | 10:32 |
| eudoxia | i haven't seen you in a while | 10:33 |
| kirka | Yes, I was doing robotics and other stuff | 10:33 |
| kirka | I'm reading your blog, it's well written | 10:33 |
| eudoxia | <3 | 10:33 |
| eudoxia | any progress on nanoengineer? | 10:33 |
| kirka | Yes | 10:33 |
| kirka | I have (kind of) ported it to windows x64 | 10:34 |
| kirka | But there are weird bugs | 10:34 |
| kirka | btw, https://github.com/eudoxia0/Hylas-Lisp looks cool | 10:34 |
| kirka | I waited for womething like this for years | 10:34 |
| kirka | *something | 10:34 |
| eudoxia | yeah | 10:36 |
| eudoxia | I should add some docs | 10:36 |
| kirka | Yep | 10:36 |
| nmz787 | hi kirka | 10:37 |
| eudoxia | also macros aren't implemented yet | 10:37 |
| kirka | nmz787 Hi | 10:37 |
| kirka | eudoxia I think CL-like macros would be appropriate | 10:37 |
| eudoxia | i don't know much about the differences between scheme and CL macros | 10:38 |
| kirka | Scheme macros are very complex, I honestly haven't mastered them | 10:38 |
| eudoxia | basically what I have in mind is, have two kinds of macros: 'full' macros, that take all their input as a raw, unprocessed string, and 'safe' macros that have an argument list where some arguments can match any type and others have to be of a specific type | 10:39 |
| kirka | That's ok | 10:39 |
| eudoxia | god i love llvm | 10:39 |
| kirka | I see, you are linkiking it to SDL | 10:39 |
| kirka | It's possible to write a good and fast CAD with this lisp | 10:40 |
| kirka | And simulator | 10:40 |
| nmz787 | kirka: you were aksing about my DNA synthesis project... well I'm now thinking of just applying to a Chemistry PhD program to work on it, that way I'll have lots of resources and get a small pay check rather than paying this local lab | 10:41 |
| kanzure | nmz787: but the university will own your work | 10:41 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah but it might not happen otherwise | 10:41 |
| kirka | nmz787 That seems reasonable as the project is serious | 10:41 |
| kanzure | it seems completely unreasonable | 10:41 |
| kirka | >will own | 10:41 |
| eudoxia | kirka: the 'fast' part is certainly doable | 10:41 |
| kirka | Is it true? | 10:41 |
| kanzure | kirka: that's how science works in the US. | 10:41 |
| eudoxia | but I'm not linking to SDL | 10:42 |
| eudoxia | -ldl is for the dynamic loading of libraries | 10:42 |
| nmz787 | yes the Uni will own it, my name will still be on it | 10:42 |
| kirka | eudoxias I mean example with SDL | 10:42 |
| eudoxia | what was the filename again? | 10:42 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what do you need so that you don't go back to school? | 10:42 |
| kirka | nmz787 So, it won't be possible to license it under some OSS (OSHW?) license? | 10:43 |
| eudoxia | kirka: i know i have an example with SDL but I thought it was in the docs folder that isn't up yet | 10:43 |
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| kirka | kanzure Seems my uni is quite relaxed about IP questions, I haven't heard about it "owning" researcher's works. | 10:46 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: umm, cash flow would be a good one, since the lab wants $20/hr and I could see myself easily spending 5-15 hrs a week | 10:46 |
| nmz787 | kirka: as far as I can tell, keeping this device (if it works) an industry secret would be the best thing for making $ | 10:47 |
| nmz787 | anything else requires $$$ for lawyers | 10:48 |
| kirka | nmz787 Well, it's your right. | 10:48 |
| kirka | eudoxia You use LLVM's type system (machine types and vectors)? | 10:49 |
| nmz787 | or maybe keeping it closed, make some $ on DNA sales, then get noticed enough to be approached about a buyout, approached with some legal suit if they think I'm certainly stepping on some bigshot corp's IP | 10:49 |
| kirka | Ah, and structures | 10:49 |
| kirka | nmz787 I see, you could violate a lot of patents with your device. | 10:49 |
| nmz787 | or make some $ then once my school is payed off and I have some $ for getting married and for lawyers, then look into OSHW for real | 10:50 |
| kanzure | your debt really constraints your options | 10:50 |
| nmz787 | I'm not sure about 'a lot | 10:50 |
| nmz787 | ' | 10:50 |
| kanzure | *constrains | 10:50 |
| nmz787 | but even one is enough to get sued and shutdown | 10:50 |
| kanzure | if you go around worrying about every patent under the sun, you will never do anything | 10:51 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: I don't see it that way really, I just haven't any good means of making income that can be channeled into what could turn out to be an expensive hobby | 10:51 |
| nmz787 | but if I do it under a PhD program, if the device fails, I still get a PhD nametag | 10:51 |
| nmz787 | and that nametag is what get's a lot of the investors all hot | 10:52 |
| kanzure | not completely. it's one thing that helps you get noticed by investors but it's not obligatory. | 10:52 |
| kanzure | besides, you probably don't want investors anyway. it really complicates things. | 10:52 |
| kanzure | especially when you have no prototype. | 10:52 |
| kirka | nmz787 strategy benefits him (PhD degree is useful), isn't that good? | 10:54 |
| nmz787 | I think so | 10:54 |
| nmz787 | there are a lot more toys at the university | 10:54 |
| nmz787 | a lot more ppl willing to collaborate since you're an alum | 10:55 |
| nmz787 | if I'm working on campus in a lab, I'll physically be close to other's with lots of knowledge for the probulation | 10:55 |
| kirka | Personal gain should be of first priority, isn't it? | 10:55 |
| nmz787 | well i def want to gain, but I want to eventually spread the wealth/love | 10:56 |
| kanzure | i don't think you want to collaborate with assholes who only collaborate with you because you're an alum. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | that doesn't make sense. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | kirka: well, if he wants to go off and make his own proprietary project that's a new direction that wasn't really talked about before. | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | i just figure if i'm going to spend money on this project, a PhD program means I don't have to spend $..... if it works I'll still get a piece of the pie, if it doesn't I still get a PhD | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | if I'm doing this DIY, I get no PhD if it fail | 10:58 |
| kanzure | but you already have all of that other debt. is this one of those sunken costs fallacies? | 10:58 |
| nmz787 | not sure what you mean by that | 10:58 |
| nmz787 | if I get into PhD I will get paid by the Uni | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | and my debts are put on pause | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | but I'll actually be able to pay them off with the Uni's pay check | 10:59 |
| kirka | kanzure But this way the probability of success is higher. And nmz787's device could hit the market sometime. If it'll make DNA synthesis cheaper, then everybody wins. | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | and my primary job won't be flipping burgers or some dumb lab tech job or programming stuff that isn't related to science | 11:00 |
| kanzure | kirka: i completely disagree that it increases his probability of success. | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i disagree with that | 11:00 |
| kanzure | you disagree that i disagree? how the fuck would you know better than me whether or not i disagree or agree? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | wtf is going on here | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | heh | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | i disagree that it won't affect the project's success | 11:01 |
| kanzure | making it a university project changes the project and it's something different. | 11:01 |
| kanzure | so, open source hardware microfluidic dna synthesizer success probabiltiy is set to zero | 11:01 |
| nmz787 | nah, the DNA synthesizer is just a solution for a problem that I need to find | 11:02 |
| kanzure | and commercially-encumbered university microfluidic dna synthesizer is somewhere above zero | 11:02 |
| kanzure | the problem is dna synthesis | 11:02 |
| kirka | Well, in robotics there are OSHW uni projects. | 11:02 |
| nmz787 | why does the NIH or military need 1000bp sequences | 11:02 |
| kanzure | that's not hard to find. | 11:02 |
| kanzure | they don't need 1000 bp sequences, they need genomes, but they are too poor to buy them. | 11:02 |
| nmz787 | that is how this turns from a DIY project to a funded PhD thesis | 11:02 |
| kanzure | why would you want a funded phd thesis -_- | 11:02 |
| kanzure | diy isn't a bad thing | 11:03 |
| kirka | It's good | 11:03 |
| kanzure | kirka: you should check the policies of those universities. more often than not, they are using non-open-source licenses and still claiming it's open source. | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | I want to be paid to do science | 11:03 |
| kanzure | sometimes the legal departments get it right | 11:03 |
| kanzure | but most often it's through the office of technology commercialization | 11:03 |
| kanzure | for instance, aquinas bioscience was parading around at open science summit recently claiming they were gpl compatible or something. but their office of technology commercialization was busy signing a patent deal with a company. | 11:04 |
| kanzure | with some exclusion terms. | 11:04 |
| kirka | This thing is GPL http://www.icub.org/ | 11:05 |
| kirka | But it's EU | 11:05 |
| kanzure | i'm not claiming that open source work from a university is impossible. sometimes it happens. i was working in a university lab that worked on some open source software, for example. | 11:05 |
| kirka | Seems that in biotech there is a lot of recent patents, so it's more complex than robotics | 11:06 |
| kirka | *complex to release something under BSD or GPL | 11:07 |
| kirka | btw eudoxia Have run NE1 by yourself? On which platforms? | 11:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: jrayhawk has told me that PSU is pretty relaxed, and that pretty much anyone with self-motivation that walks in there will excel... So I think this is an overall good plan | 11:11 |
| kanzure | nmz787: if it's still important to you, then you should check with their legal department before applying for their phd program. | 11:11 |
| kanzure | if you're completely uninterested in open source, i don't know what to tell you except that people telling you that open source can't make money are telling you lies. | 11:12 |
| nmz787 | i'll def check out their legal dept | 11:13 |
| nmz787 | re: OSHW though, I just foresee that taking a lot of $ | 11:13 |
| ThomasEgi | hehe.. and to prove it. have a look at redhat business numbers. | 11:13 |
| nmz787 | I know provisional patents are $200, but the actual patent is like $10000 if you do all the filing yourself | 11:14 |
| nmz787 | so if the thing got patented, then it'd be a lot easier to make it OSHW | 11:14 |
| nmz787 | because I think at that point it would be public anyway | 11:15 |
| kanzure | and why do you think the university would pay that $10,000 for you, for them to see no upside? | 11:18 |
| kanzure | i don't understand. | 11:18 |
| kirka | kanzure PR? | 11:18 |
| nmz787 | for them it would be more, because they are paying someone to do the filing | 11:18 |
| kanzure | kirka: unlikely | 11:18 |
| nmz787 | well companies do spin off of uni work | 11:18 |
| kanzure | usually by selling patent rights | 11:19 |
| kirka | kanzure Every uni wants to have cutting edge research, especially is such area as biotech. 10k$ doesn't look like much for this purpose | 11:19 |
| kanzure | and then the owners of the company get sued by investors for not taking advantage of patents and blah blah blah.. | 11:19 |
| nmz787 | right, so it'd be their IP that I had exclusive license to or something and they'd receive X% of the companies profit or something | 11:19 |
| kanzure | kirka: in biotech, they patent everything because they are required to by US federal law | 11:19 |
| nmz787 | but I think that's OK for my first idea | 11:20 |
| kanzure | ok, an exclusive license isn't open source -_- | 11:20 |
| kanzure | usually they make it an exclusive, non-transferable license | 11:20 |
| nmz787 | that is all tweakable in the fine print though | 11:21 |
| kanzure | show me evidence of that. | 11:21 |
| nmz787 | yes I want exclusivity to the rights for some time, yes I would be fine with DIYbio ppls making them theirselves, no I don't want cloners | 11:21 |
| kanzure | i want the idea to work more than anybody, but why would you be more successful at forcing a university to make patentable research open source than everyone else who has tried? | 11:21 |
| nmz787 | seems like that's a 1 line exemption for DIY use | 11:22 |
| kanzure | ok, that's not open source | 11:22 |
| kanzure | open source is not a DIY exemption | 11:22 |
| nmz787 | i dont care if it has the open-source logo on it | 11:22 |
| kanzure | open source refers to business | 11:22 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 11:22 |
| nmz787 | ok | 11:22 |
| kanzure | you know what, i give up | 11:22 |
| * kanzure goes away | 11:22 | |
| nmz787 | kirka: anyway that's what's going through my head | 11:23 |
| nmz787 | the last thing i did before flying back east and driving the car out west was reading up a lot on the DNA synthesis chemistry | 11:23 |
| nmz787 | but there are things that being down the hall from a few chemists would make easier | 11:24 |
| nmz787 | like what are the general properties of dichloromethane and nitromethane, how do they differ/similar | 11:24 |
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| kirka | >chris_99 Isn't it that chris?! http://crnano.org/ | 11:56 |
| kanzure | no, that's chris phoenix. | 11:57 |
| jrayhawk | kirka/kanzure: msysgit and cygwin git are smart enough to set core.filemode=false and core.ignorecase=true when cloning | 12:00 |
| kanzure | he didn't clone, he used fucking "cp" :( | 12:00 |
| jrayhawk | the decision to *copy* a repository over was unwise, but actually using git on windows is not typically a big deal. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | and he doesn't want to clean up his mess, so i have to do it | 12:01 |
| kanzure | i guess filter-branch is my best option? | 12:01 |
| jrayhawk | Or diffing out his changes and repatching yourself. | 12:01 |
| kirka | I thpught about diffing | 12:02 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: ok thanks. | 12:02 |
| kirka | For me, it's more important to get NE1 running right now | 12:02 |
| kirka | btw, One guy tests it on linux right now | 12:02 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, the pedanticism about history on a project that already has problems attracting contributors seems a little wird. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: well terrible commits aren't going to attract better contributors | 12:03 |
| kanzure | kirka: it's been working fine on linux for months now | 12:04 |
| kanzure | just use the chroot or my non-gui branch. | 12:04 |
| kirka | >non-gui | 12:04 |
| kanzure | i said or | 12:04 |
| kirka | Well, he has ubuntu and "kirka-updates" branch works for him | 12:04 |
| jrayhawk | oh, cool | 12:04 |
| kirka | With gui, model loading and modifying | 12:04 |
| kirka | GL works fine | 12:04 |
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| kirka | I didn't repaired DNA or protein functions yet | 12:06 |
| kirka | Stiff covalent structures are simpler and more interesting for me now | 12:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: come on, you can't seriously think NE1_ubuntu_update_log.txt is a good idea | 12:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: https://github.com/elfion/nanoengineer/commit/5618d63cf2734746b43126dc605cf397e7a2a385.diff | 12:07 |
| kirka | Hehe | 12:07 |
| kirka | Don't include it | 12:07 |
| kirka | If you don't need it | 12:07 |
| kanzure | it is included | 12:07 |
| kanzure | wtf are you talkinga bout | 12:07 |
| kirka | Ok ok | 12:07 |
| kirka | So, that GL bug is windows only | 12:09 |
| kirka | And it depends on Part | 12:09 |
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| jrayhawk | Suboptimal is not the same as bad. | 12:11 |
| kanzure | remote: 2012/12/07 12:16:18 socat[26764] E connect(3, AF=1 "/home/gnusha/.irssi/socket", 28): Connection refused | 12:16 |
| kanzure | oh i imagine this might be because the socket changed | 12:17 |
| kanzure | and then it wasn't created again? | 12:17 |
| jrayhawk | that's odd | 12:19 |
| kanzure | if i was to try to fix this, it's in the post-receive hook somewhere? | 12:19 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | or, rather, some dtach socket thing. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 12:20 |
| jrayhawk | The socket is a special irssi plugin. | 12:20 |
| jrayhawk | I should probably redo that whole infrastructure. | 12:24 |
| kirka | jrayhawk Are you interested in NE1? | 12:24 |
| jrayhawk | I think it's neat, but have no particular intention of developing it or using it. | 12:25 |
| kirka | I understand | 12:26 |
| kirka | I'm actually interested in using it | 12:26 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, re: connection refused: I probably won't have time to look at that today, but I am interested in improving it. | 12:26 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: thanks for letting me know, but i didn't actually expect you to care on this one. it's a bryan/joe race to see who experiences the most boredom first to bother to go do it. | 12:30 |
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| kirka | Time to sleep, bye. | 15:09 |
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| @kanzure | is there a screensaver like hackertyper.net? | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | i might have to just make this i guess. | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | i don't want to have to give it input. i figure scrolling screens of coding might be fun to have in my peripheral vision. | 18:07 |
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| @fenn | find / *.c | xargs cat | 18:13 |
| @fenn | there are enough terrible screensavers already, why not | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | bah cat isn't the right effect | 18:18 |
| @kanzure | more like compromised_cat | 18:18 |
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| abetusk | evening all | 20:02 |
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| @kanzure | bleep | 22:51 |
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| abetusk | hey kanzure | 23:24 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:25 | |
| abetusk | I am unable to | 23:25 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand that guy who forked nanoengineer onto sourceforge | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | like who the fuck chooses sourceforge these days | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev/t/fa0b8b80513eeda0 | 23:29 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev/t/e0e7fcb291e984f2 | 23:29 |
| abetusk | did you see the floating water droplets? | 23:31 |
| @kanzure | kanzure is busy sleeping, you have activated the automated irc bot | 23:33 |
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