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| joshcryer | Basalt makes a nice concrete replacement. | 01:32 |
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| delinquentme | <3 MORNING | 02:53 |
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| @kanzure | where did the fake google scholar papers guy go? he had been recompiling latex and inserting fake references. | 07:05 |
| @kanzure | and his results don't seem to show up anymore? | 07:05 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.rsc.org/AboutUs/News/PressReleases/2012/RSC-acquires-Merck-Index.asp | 08:02 |
| @kanzure | "The famous "bible" of chemistry, The Merck Index, is to join the highly acclaimed publishing portfolio of the Royal Society of Chemistry." | 08:02 |
| @fenn | i thought the "bible of chemistry" was the crc handbook | 09:02 |
| @fenn | perhaps the merck index is the new testament | 09:02 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_Index | 09:03 |
| @kanzure | "The Merck Index is also available by subscription in an electronic searchable form, commonly carried by research libraries, as well as in a web-accessible form." | 09:03 |
| @kanzure | oh so now there's an "electronic searchable form" and a "web-accessible form"... wtf. | 09:03 |
| @kanzure | "It contains more than 10,000 monographs, 27 supplemental tables, 450 Organic Name Reactions, and now includes a companion CD!" oh boy a CD?! | 09:04 |
| @fenn | well let's see what's on it http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7520594/The_Merck_Index_13.1_CD | 09:08 |
| Mariu | CD lol | 09:11 |
| @fenn | hey man 693 MB is a lot of tables | 09:28 |
| @fenn | but i bet it's poorly scanned pdf's of the book | 09:29 |
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| ArmilusDajjal | now includes a compainon cd | 09:31 |
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| @fenn | i wonder where one can get all this data without having to OCR some stupid scanned in tables | 09:48 |
| @fenn | even if it's in text, it's still just a PDF, there's no structure to the data, only layout | 09:50 |
| @kanzure | these databases are available through paywalls at universities | 09:50 |
| @kanzure | there are many proprietary databases just sitting there with all this info | 09:50 |
| @fenn | what is the interface like? can you do real API queries or is it just some web form? | 09:54 |
| @kanzure | web forms | 09:54 |
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| archels | so we've all seen this 1-pixel contact lense display, right? http://bit.ly/VpH2gL | 11:16 |
| archels | how could you ever actually focus your eye to that? | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | oooh | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | funky | 11:17 |
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| kirka | Hi | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | yo. The resolution of that seems quite nice | 11:18 |
| kirka | Are you Chris Phoenix? | 11:19 |
| chris_99 | alas not | 11:19 |
| kirka | Ah, ok | 11:20 |
| archels | chris_99: but how could that ever work without any intervening optics? | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | yeah i'm not sure about that either, i see what you mean about focussing | 11:20 |
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| delinquentme | Has anyone sat down and taken inventory of the qualities they look for in someone who manages them? | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | specifically the relationship to power versus passion? | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean versus | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | what | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | like would you prefer one over another? | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | neither of those two things matter to me | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | like I'm okay working in my current spot bc this person clearly has more power than my previous employer | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | ( at least I think ) | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | but the other dude didn't even have passion | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | who cares how much he passion he claims to have | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | *much passion | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | he can claim zero or a million and still be wrong either way | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | have you read the valve management handbook? | 11:28 |
| kirka | kanzure Hi, I have digged old nanotech CADS (Will Ware's NanoCAD and Crystal Clear) | 11:29 |
| archels | ftp://ftp.turingbirds.com/misc/Valve%20Handbook%20for%20New%20Employees.pdf | 11:29 |
| kirka | Will Ware was on the right track with Common lisp and Scheme. | 11:29 |
| @kanzure | kirka: i already told you weeks ago that chris_99 is not chris phoenix.. | 11:29 |
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| kirka | kanzure I wanted to be sure, heh (and maybe I misunderstood you a little then) | 11:30 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, no but I value passion highly so I think I might already disagree | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | passion can be faked, why would you value that? | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | how about valuing results | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, perhaps | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | and results are unquestionable | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | they are? | 11:33 |
| kirka | kanzure Don't you know any forum on MNT? (I have searched but haven't found anything. Seems that some people from sci.nanotech would like to have such a forum) | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | kirka: eugen leitl keeps some nanotech people around on his transhuman-tech mailing list | 11:35 |
| kirka | Thanks, I'll look | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | mems-talk does slightly-larger-than nano stuff. | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | and nanoengineer-dev is the only one with software developers | 11:35 |
| kirka | It's strange that there isn't much technical discussion on MNT on the net. | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | that's because they keep publishing their discussions in proprietary academic journals that nobody has access to | 11:36 |
| kirka | Yes, I don't like paywalls | 11:36 |
| kirka | Actually, there is one good paper | 11:36 |
| kirka | http://phys.org/news/2012-11-artificial-ion-channels-dna-origami.html | 11:36 |
| kirka | I think that's breakthrough | 11:37 |
| archels | http://synapses.clm.utexas.edu/learn/visualize/serial.stm | 11:38 |
| archels | man, we were this far in 2002? | 11:38 |
| kirka | kanzure But IMM, Freitas & co publish their papers freely. I think there must be another reason for lack of interest in MNT. | 11:38 |
| kirka | Maybe people are just tired | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | freitas is not evidence of a lack of interest | 11:38 |
| kirka | Yes, quite the opposite | 11:39 |
| kirka | But he, Merkle and people affilated with anofactory collaboration is, maybe, 20 or 30 men | 11:39 |
| kirka | Today's scientific community seems largely ignorant of mechanosythesis | 11:43 |
| kirka | I have asked some physics students | 11:43 |
| kirka | And even two students that study "nanotechnology" | 11:43 |
| kirka | Nobody haven't heard about mechanosynthesis | 11:44 |
| kirka | And it's difficult for them to understand the concepts' utility | 11:44 |
| kirka | My sample could be small, something like ten people | 11:46 |
| kirka | But anyway. | 11:46 |
| @fenn | archels: the contact has a microlens array built in to focus (demagnify) the LED | 11:46 |
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| kirka | Does anybody have acces to this paper? http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1225624 | 11:47 |
| kirka | It's cool | 11:47 |
| @fenn | lols "some people from sci.nanotech would like to have a MNT forum" | 11:48 |
| @fenn | that is just so sad | 11:48 |
| kirka | fenn Yes | 11:48 |
| kirka | sci.nanotech dies | 11:48 |
| kirka | ANd what's more frightening the very idea of MNT seems dying | 11:48 |
| @fenn | it's a conspiracy! time lords from the ulterior dimension have reorchestrated congress!!1 | 11:48 |
| kirka | You know, I have talked to students and they haven't heard about it | 11:49 |
| kirka | They have heard about "nanotechnology", maybe "nanobots" (what a bad word) | 11:49 |
| @fenn | every time i talk to anyone either they gush uncontrollably or it's all eye-rolling 'been there done that, so over it' | 11:50 |
| @fenn | but really the field was never given a chance | 11:50 |
| kirka | Well, I have hope and I can help a little. With software for example. | 11:51 |
| kirka | Actually, I think there should be a forum, devoted to MNT. | 11:51 |
| @fenn | what i think really needs to happen is for a large company such as IBM to throw some serious investment into studying the mechanosynthetic reactions themselves | 11:52 |
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| kirka | Yes, I agree with you | 11:52 |
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| @fenn | sure it will all be patent encumbered for eternity, but at least it would happen | 11:52 |
| @fenn | and if they have all the patents in one place it's not a minefield | 11:52 |
| kirka | This grant is already good: http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/G007837/1 | 11:53 |
| @fenn | wouldn't it suck if humanity knew how to place carbon and remove the hydrogen groups but no one company were legally allowed to do both reactions? | 11:53 |
| kirka | And Zyvex makes progress | 11:53 |
| @fenn | zyvex is still functioning? | 11:53 |
| kirka | >no one company were legally allowed | 11:54 |
| kirka | That's uncontrollable on global scale | 11:54 |
| kirka | Yes | 11:54 |
| @fenn | in that grant, why is room-temperature capability important? | 11:55 |
| kirka | I don't knoe | 11:56 |
| kirka | *know | 11:56 |
| kirka | Look http://www.psma.com/sites/default/files/uploads/tech-forums-nanotechnology/presentations/2011-apec-sp-141-nanotechnology-about-nano-precision.pdf | 11:56 |
| kirka | Zyvex has some success with PALE | 11:56 |
| kirka | It's "unpublished" | 11:56 |
| @fenn | lame | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | kirka: foresight.org runs yearly in-person conferences, you should pester them to record them and post them online | 11:59 |
| @fenn | i'm here to tell you that "one micron" is not "normal precision machining" | 11:59 |
| kirka | Micromachining isn't interesting | 11:59 |
| kirka | kanzure I'll think about it (and try) | 11:59 |
| kirka | Look at H depassivation | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | and nanoengineer-dev is the only one with software developershown 4 | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | oops | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | ignore | 12:00 |
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| @fenn | it should be possible to machine blocks to small enough that they contain discernable numbers of atoms; then you sort the blocks (try not to let them stick together) and assemble the ones with the correct dimensions | 12:01 |
| kirka | Oh Hi | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | hey kirka | 12:01 |
| kirka | eudoxia Look at log, we discussed MNT here | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | yeah i was just reading thsat | 12:01 |
| @fenn | hooray for us :\ | 12:01 |
| kirka | Actually, if you want to discuss something, mail me | 12:02 |
| kirka | My email is on the github | 12:02 |
| eudoxia | kirka congratulations you are the second person to know crystal clear exists | 12:02 |
| kirka | Heh | 12:02 |
| eudoxia | s/know/find out | 12:02 |
| kirka | Look at github, I have revived nanocad | 12:02 |
| eudoxia | actually i think i told kanzure about that | 12:02 |
| eudoxia | and i saw your new repo | 12:02 |
| kirka | I found out by mysle | 12:02 |
| eudoxia | i initially thought you were going to roll your own nanoengineer | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | nanocad.git has none of his revision history | 12:03 |
| kirka | I have read old mailing lists about NanoCAD development | 12:03 |
| kirka | kanzure Yes, I have downloaded archive | 12:03 |
| @kanzure | what is README.txt.bak for? | 12:03 |
| kirka | It's his software, I just created backup | 12:03 |
| kirka | That's artifact | 12:03 |
| kirka | I'll remove that later | 12:03 |
| kirka | You are so perfectionist~ | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | yes | 12:04 |
| @fenn | he wasn't always that way | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | i got hit in the head by a radioactive meteorite | 12:05 |
| Mariu | lol | 12:05 |
| kirka | kanzure You seemed more enthusiastic about MNT in 2009 (I hav read some logs). Do you think that synthetic biology is more real alternative (for now) ? | 12:05 |
| eudoxia | these days i just stay out of archived late nineties mnt discussions because it's so depressing | 12:06 |
| eudoxia | so depressing | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | kirka: why do you say i was more enthusiastic? | 12:06 |
| kirka | eudoxia Well, the very thing that we know about it (and we are young) means that there is hope. | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | synthetic biology is not mnt, i don't know who told you that | 12:06 |
| kirka | kanzure I just get that feeling when I read logs. Maybe I'm mistaken. | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | you are mistaken. | 12:07 |
| kirka | Of course | 12:07 |
| kirka | But synthetic biology is an approach for creating working molecular machinery | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | uh, i guess. | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | if your goal is to produce proteins, yes, biology is useful | 12:07 |
| @fenn | i agree on this point. the confusing part is that proteins were evolved, not designed, so people think they must be floppy and weird | 12:08 |
| kirka | Yes, proteins and enzymes | 12:08 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: well, i haven't seen a cuboid protein | 12:08 |
| kirka | My goal is to use them for productive work | 12:08 |
| @fenn | recent designed proteins have very high denaturation temperatures, because they aren't teetering on the edge of catastrophe (in the catastrophe theory sense) | 12:08 |
| kirka | E.g. grow good polymer for some application | 12:09 |
| @fenn | this is in fact eric drexler's current stance | 12:09 |
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| @kanzure | kirka: are you trying to say that because i know biology things, i must therefore be less enthusiastic about carbon placement? | 12:09 |
| @fenn | that "nanotech" engineers should be pursuing protein design | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | no, i don't think kirka thinks that | 12:09 |
| kirka | fenn Yes, and he is probably right | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | welp nevermind | 12:10 |
| kirka | I like mechanics, yes | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | kirka: you are an enigma wrapped in an enigma | 12:10 |
| @fenn | an enzyme wrapped in a eudoxia | 12:10 |
| kirka | But if it's impossible for now, we'll have to use other approaches | 12:10 |
| kirka | Hehe | 12:10 |
| eudoxia | hahaha what | 12:10 |
| @fenn | sorry | 12:10 |
| eudoxia | sometimes i think i have DID and kirka is one of my multiple personalities | 12:11 |
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| kirka | eudoxia Same think | 12:12 |
| eudoxia | <3 | 12:12 |
| kirka | *thing | 12:12 |
| kirka | eudoxia It may be generational thing | 12:12 |
| kirka | Common information medium, etc | 12:12 |
| @kanzure | fenn: anyway, where's my cubic protein | 12:13 |
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| kirka | This special purpose cluster could greatly help in protein design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_(computer) | 12:13 |
| @fenn | er.. it was mentioned in here a couple weeks ago | 12:14 |
| kirka | I have read about it's architecture | 12:14 |
| @fenn | how do i get grep to return irc log results in chronological order? | 12:14 |
| @kanzure | clusters only help once you have software, what software are you thinking of | 12:14 |
| kirka | It's interesting, very high MIPS/mm^2 | 12:14 |
| @kanzure | fenn: grep -r whatever 2012* | tac | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | erm, -r was not necessary | 12:15 |
| @fenn | tac? | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | backwards cat | 12:15 |
| kirka | kanzure This cluster is composed of ASICS that are designed to run very high performance MM calculations (to the point of 7, 18 bit adders inside, etc) | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | which MM calculations | 12:15 |
| eudoxia | that's actually a thing | 12:15 |
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| kirka | It's usefule for verification | 12:15 |
| kirka | MD | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | which MD calculations -_- | 12:16 |
| kirka | It's customizable to some extent | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | they are ASICs. | 12:16 |
| kirka | Thay have CPU and accelerators inside | 12:16 |
| eudoxia | i think kanz is asking whether it's ab-initio or md | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | which MD algorithms are implemented on these ASICs | 12:16 |
| kirka | Hmph, they didn't say that or I didn't look carefully | 12:17 |
| kirka | http://www-micrel.deis.unibo.it/~benini/files/MD/AntonCommACM08.pdf | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | maybe they are lying | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | "rate-limited interactions and performs charge spreading and force interpolation" | 12:19 |
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| kirka | Yes, they don't mention specific force fields | 12:20 |
| kirka | Ah, that's what you mean by "algorithm" | 12:20 |
| @fenn | ah here we go: http://www.nature.com/news/proteins-made-to-order-1.11767 koga and koga et al. | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | "and is capable of computing the combined electrostatic and van der Waals interactions between a pair of atoms at every cycle. This 26-stage pipeline includes adders, multipliers, function evaluation units, and other specialized datapath elements." | 12:20 |
| @fenn | i would settle for a dodecahedral protein | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | how about anything regular | 12:21 |
| kirka | Yes, long range is calculated Particle mesh Ewald and pair-pair interactions are computed directly | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | okay | 12:22 |
| @fenn | is a flat sheet not regular enough? | 12:22 |
| kirka | Again, I don't understand why I do not hear about this machine often | 12:23 |
| kirka | Millisecond runtimes witout larges supercomputer is very cool | 12:23 |
| kirka | *largest | 12:23 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: probably breaks too easily if you're thinking of graphene? | 12:24 |
| @fenn | not graphene, beta pleated sheets | 12:24 |
| @fenn | you know, it's rather surprising nobody has made a cubic protein yet | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | what about virus capsids? are any of those cube-like? | 12:25 |
| kirka | * Dreams of enzyme that catalyses growth of strong fiber | 12:25 |
| @fenn | no, but they're almost always regular or snub polyhedra | 12:25 |
| @fenn | cubes just aren't energetically favorable | 12:26 |
| Cat4D | has anyone bothered to make a tzolkin or long count calendar for this week's solstice? http://www.maya3d.mobi is close but there are 5 gear rings. | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | maybe the dna origami pimps have done a cube | 12:27 |
| kirka | eudoxia You know Will Ware wrote first versions of NanoCAD in common lisp (and/or scheme) | 12:27 |
| eudoxia | i thought it was a java applet | 12:27 |
| @fenn | yes they have done many cube-based structures (including cubes) | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: scheme can be compiled to run on the jvm | 12:28 |
| kirka | eudoxia Then he switched to java, because tehre wasn't much lispers | 12:28 |
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| eudoxia | when was this again? | 12:28 |
| kirka | * digs archives | 12:28 |
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| kirka | http://web.archive.org/web/20010417203831/http://discuss.foresight.org/~pcm/nanocad/date.html#95 | 12:29 |
| @kanzure | having read wware's python contributions to nanoengineer, i'm not convinced that guy knows how to write software | 12:29 |
| kirka | * feels like cyberarchaeologist | 12:29 |
| kirka | kanzure Maybe, I don't know | 12:29 |
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| @kanzure | welcome back brownies_ | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | fenn: dna origami cubes are probably terrible... "yeah let's pick the one material that has to constantly replicate itself to maintain any sort of integrity" | 12:30 |
| kirka | kanzure What do you think about DNA-origami ion channel? | 12:30 |
| brownies_ | what the fuck? | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | haven't read that paper yet | 12:31 |
| kirka | Ah | 12:31 |
| kirka | If you'll get it, I'd like to read it too. | 12:31 |
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| kirka | eudoxia I was very small when they wrote that software | 12:32 |
| eudoxia | does it say what guy he used? | 12:32 |
| kirka | MrEd probably | 12:33 |
| eudoxia | i was one year old | 12:33 |
| eudoxia | actually not even that | 12:33 |
| kirka | I was two years old | 12:33 |
| kirka | Actually, I'd do the same representation http://web.archive.org/web/20010420225736/http://discuss.foresight.org/~pcm/nanocad/0019.html | 12:34 |
| kirka | At least for prototype. | 12:34 |
| @fenn | kanzure: actually dna is very stable, it just doesn't have any cool functional groups | 12:34 |
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| eudoxia | http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/graphics-GUI.html#MrEd | 12:34 |
| eudoxia | http://web.archive.org/web/19980123100842/http://www.cs.rice.edu/CS/PLT/packages/mred/index.html | 12:34 |
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| kirka | Yes | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | fenn: it doesn't even last 1M years, how is that stable | 12:35 |
| kirka | I'm using Racket extensively for some time | 12:35 |
| eudoxia | holy fuck that is old | 12:35 |
| kirka | It runs inverse kinematics in my robot, and operates with binary decision diagrams | 12:35 |
| kirka | Racket is good for prototyping, it's JIT-compiled | 12:36 |
| kirka | And has extensive library | 12:36 |
| @fenn | kanzure: lasts longer than teh interwebz | 12:38 |
| @fenn | DNA NANOTECHNOLOGY: MORE STABLE THAN A LISP INTERPRETER | 12:38 |
| kirka | Hehe | 12:39 |
| eudoxia | certainly lasts longer than most files online | 12:39 |
| @fenn | man i really hate archive.org's new interface | 12:39 |
| eudoxia | and mind you fenn some lisp interpreters have been up for years | 12:39 |
| eudoxia | in space and what have youy | 12:40 |
| kirka | And some are run at sapce | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | archive.org's index page for files takes forever to load thanks to all of the javascript | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | it forces the page to finish loading before the javascript is done, so you can't do anything | 12:40 |
| @fenn | yes i'm a big fan of lisp scheme etc | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | but if you wget the index page it's actually easier to navigate | 12:40 |
| kirka | And I have heard about common lisp system running for ten years | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | you don't even have to click "next" after 10 items. | 12:40 |
| eudoxia | Deep Space 1 is apparently still running | 12:41 |
| eudoxia | how about that | 12:41 |
| kirka | Well, about MNT: | 12:41 |
| kirka | There should be a forum | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | fuck forums | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | no | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | absolutely not | 12:41 |
| kirka | What then? | 12:41 |
| emancipate | space? | 12:41 |
| emancipate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd7FZkT9Y_s&feature=plcp live now | 12:41 |
| kirka | Blog? | 12:41 |
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| @kanzure | there are already tons of awful blogs, i don't see the benefit of another one | 12:41 |
| @fenn | oh, does "forum" mean phpbb-type software? | 12:42 |
| @kanzure | yes | 12:42 |
| kirka | I'm actually writing article in russian about MNT | 12:42 |
| kirka | But that's not it | 12:42 |
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| eudoxia | i should learn a few more languages | 12:42 |
| @fenn | ah i had interpreted "sci.nanotech wants a MNT forum" to mean they weren't allowed/encouraged to talk about MNT there | 12:42 |
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| @kanzure | kirka: how about using diyhpl.us/wiki as a wiki, and continuing to use the irc channel | 12:43 |
| eudoxia | no use wiki.transhumani.com | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 12:43 |
| kirka | kanzure It's ok, but does it have a large impact? | 12:43 |
| @fenn | no use fennetic.net/machines/ !! | 12:43 |
| kirka | fenn Bookmarked | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | machines/ is not git controlled, shame on you fenn | 12:44 |
| @fenn | sorry nothing about nanotech there either :P | 12:44 |
| kirka | http://fennetic.net/machines/hexapod.html :3 | 12:44 |
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| kirka | I have walking hexapod | 12:44 |
| @fenn | jrayhawk won't let me run php | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i installed php in a chroot if you want to do that | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | but really, i don't think mediawiki is a good idea | 12:45 |
| @fenn | no, it's abandonware | 12:45 |
| @fenn | oh, this is pukiwiki, not mediawiki | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | i was responding about the other link | 12:45 |
| @fenn | my brain isn't working right lately | 12:45 |
| kirka | I thank that there should be more students inspired to become sciencists and contribute to MNT | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | one topic at a time kirka | 12:46 |
| kirka | *think | 12:46 |
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| kirka | That's one topic | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | it's true, i am indeed a cruel and vicious monster | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | how about instead of a forum, you just continue talking with people in here | 12:46 |
| kirka | It's ok, but there is a few | 12:46 |
| @fenn | let's petition congress to create a fund for research development and promotion of nanotechnology ... oh wait | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | although, i do think pestering foresight.org to post their videos would be useful | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | when XCOM0 is a grep command, then there is this if if [ -n "$XCOM0" ] || [ ! "$XCOM0" = "" ]; then echo $XCOM1 | 12:46 |
| kirka | I think we need some good articles | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | what is the -n | 12:46 |
| eudoxia | haha fenn that's not funny :( | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | i need some good particles | 12:47 |
| kirka | The http://thenanoage.com/ isn't that bad, but should be better | 12:47 |
| jrayhawk | nmz787: man test | 12:47 |
| jrayhawk | or man \[ | 12:47 |
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| kirka | kanzure I'll write that down, about foresight | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: I know I'm a man | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: -n is "True if FILE exists and has been modified since it was last read." | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: no he was telling you to type "man test" | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 12:47 |
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| nmz787 | yes i know | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | :D | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | i was joke | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | how original.. | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | ok | 12:48 |
| jrayhawk | actually -n is 'the length of STRING is nonzero' | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | that makes more sense | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | ah i see that now | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | so is there any benefit for if [ -n "$XCOM0" ] || [ ! "$XCOM0" = "" ]; then | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | having the two cases | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | kirka: the other thing that i'm disappointed abouti s the lack of continued contributions to nanoengineer from the original development team | 12:49 |
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| @kanzure | kirka: what has drexler been doing exactly? why doesn't he publish his software? | 12:49 |
| kirka | kanzure Yes, that's sad | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | they are a bunch of jerks anyway.. | 12:49 |
| kirka | kanzure He isn't a programmer as far as I know | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | nanoengineer needs to be split into separate python modules without the gui | 12:49 |
| kirka | Yes | 12:49 |
| kirka | I agree | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | "import nanoengineer" doesn't really work, except in the non-gui branch. but that's because i used mocks. | 12:50 |
| kirka | ACtually, being honest, I'm already developing architecture for simple molecular CAD, UHV-nanotech oriented. | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | you already told us | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | i didn't forget | 12:50 |
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| kirka | Ah, ok | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | kirka: | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | kirka: cool | 12:51 |
| kirka | I'll have time for that after january 15th | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | kirka: why have we only talked about CNC before? | 12:51 |
| kirka | I think minimal cad won't be larger than 2k lisp lines of code | 12:51 |
| @fenn | does everyone re-use those same atom scale gear animations? | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | fenn: yes | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | fenn: sad isn't it | 12:52 |
| kirka | nmz787 I have some interest in CNC, there is some stepper motor graveyard in my home, heh | 12:52 |
| @fenn | somehow it seems more "real" by leaving in the thermal noise artifacts (which should be blurred out on the gear rotation timescale) | 12:52 |
| kirka | ACtually, these gears are very far into the future | 12:52 |
| kirka | You know this fo course | 12:52 |
| @fenn | yeah, i'll be impressed if we can make carbon anything | 12:53 |
| kirka | Just manufacturing diamond strained shell bearing won't be easy | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | "once upon a time people thought they could make atomic gears" | 12:53 |
| kirka | I'm thinking about minimal prt sets | 12:53 |
| eudoxia | i'm waiting for an ab-initio simulation of those gears | 12:53 |
| jrayhawk | I can slap up vhosts reasonably easily for Sympa, which is a sort of web forum/mailing list hybrid | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: i don't think these people will like sympa, to be honest | 12:53 |
| kirka | eudoxia Yes, that'd be interesting | 12:53 |
| eudoxia | i mean even freitas and merkle have admitted they have only done MDs and don't know if there will be mechanosynthethic reactions between the gears | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: the reason they want forums is because they are familiar with those layouts, and i don't really want to mod sympa for that | 12:53 |
| @fenn | i think people prefer forums because they can be divided up into sub-forums | 12:54 |
| @fenn | and of course the web browsing aspect | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | people prefer forums because they don't know how to use email | 12:54 |
| @fenn | yeah, that's that i meant | 12:54 |
| @fenn | fuck why did wave have to die | 12:55 |
| @fenn | now we're stuck with phpbb for eternity | 12:55 |
| kirka | There is a lot of black boxes in Nanosystems | 12:55 |
| eudoxia | i don't even know how to use mailinglists | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | no we're stuck with phpbb, disqus, discuz, ikonboard, invisionboard, infopop, ubb, vbulletin, smf, and a million other shitty things. | 12:55 |
| kirka | I think that it would be useful to design and analyse additional simple components | 12:55 |
| kirka | Rod logic element for example (springs, etc aren't obvious) | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | fenn: also there's a community-supported version of wave somewhere | 12:56 |
| kirka | And method of manufacturing for rods | 12:56 |
| kirka | How do we "tear" rod from substrate? | 12:56 |
| kirka | That bugs me | 12:56 |
| @fenn | the sticky fingers problem? | 12:56 |
| eudoxia | dude kirka | 12:56 |
| eudoxia | build things on a germanium layer | 12:57 |
| eudoxia | that is etched away | 12:57 |
| kirka | That's not bad | 12:57 |
| @fenn | are rods built separate from the mechanism, or built in place like a 3d printer? | 12:57 |
| kirka | So the first dimers will be held in place by non-covalent forces? | 12:57 |
| * fenn hasn't actually read nanosystems | 12:58 | |
| kirka | fenn Probably separate | 12:58 |
| kirka | But it isn't described there | 12:58 |
| kirka | >etched away | 12:59 |
| kirka | eudoxia SO there should be separate tool for adding dimer to Ge surface? | 12:59 |
| eudoxia | i was thinking PALE | 13:00 |
| eudoxia | at least for an initial layer | 13:00 |
| kirka | Aha, that's another story. | 13:00 |
| eudoxia | you are rigth: the dimer tools have Ge behind the dimers, they only work for depositing the dimers on C surfaces | 13:00 |
| kirka | Something weaker than Ge | 13:01 |
| kirka | Si | 13:01 |
| eudoxia | otherwise it's Ge on both sides and that will fuck up the error rates | 13:01 |
| kirka | But it won't be reliable | 13:01 |
| eudoxia | we're running out of Group IV kirka | 13:01 |
| kirka | And etching isn't allowed in mechanosynthesis | 13:01 |
| kirka | Hehe | 13:01 |
| eudoxia | next down is lead i think | 13:01 |
| jrayhawk | sympa is pretty low investment for us and has a lot of desirable characteristics, so we don't really need to speculate about its suboptimalities, we can just build it and see if people come | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: okay fine | 13:02 |
| kirka | jeayhawk Are you talking about some bbs-line engine? | 13:02 |
| jrayhawk | what do those words even mean | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 13:03 |
| kirka | Sorry, a lot of typos | 13:03 |
| kirka | bbs-like of course | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | depends on what you mean by bbs... if you consider newsgroups and mailing lists and forums to be bbs like, then anything is possible | 13:03 |
| kirka | eudoxia I was wrong with Si, maybe Sn would do it. | 13:04 |
| jrayhawk | well, you can telnet into port 80 and pretend you're using a really ugly BBS | 13:04 |
| jrayhawk | really ugly, really tedious BBS | 13:04 |
| kirka | New generation uses imageboards, heh | 13:04 |
| @kanzure | not really | 13:04 |
| jrayhawk | clearly i should embed ANSI art in HTML comments for people who try to do that. | 13:05 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: also, the chinese call php forums (like 'discuz' (not 'disqus')) bbs | 13:05 |
| jrayhawk | ah | 13:05 |
| @kanzure | so that complicates things | 13:05 |
| jrayhawk | if you don't mind me hijacking the entire local part namespace for diyhpl.us, you can MX it over to mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu | 13:06 |
| @fenn | is there some kind of meta forum scraper interface so i can read forum posts from a command line? | 13:06 |
| jrayhawk | they often have RSS/Atom feeds | 13:07 |
| kirka | eudoxia Well, I think it'll be very useful to analyze these questions. And design some structures for manufacturability. | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | fenn: there's boardreader and rss stuff, but you can't reply by rss and boardreader doesn't have a cli ui | 13:07 |
| @fenn | jrayhawk: but that's only recent posts right? typically i want to read threads that are years old | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | man why isn't cli ui called clui ("they haven't got a clui") | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | fenn: nope doesn't exist. | 13:07 |
| jrayhawk | RSS interfaces are often parameterized. "?past=100000" or some such | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | i wrote a common api to interact with forums like that, but it was primarily for spamming purposes | 13:07 |
| eudoxia | kirka did you make that thread on /sci/ | 13:08 |
| * kirka so embarassing | 13:08 | |
| @kanzure | so you two are 4channers | 13:08 |
| @kanzure | nanofags? | 13:08 |
| kirka | I haven't read 4chan for years | 13:08 |
| @kanzure | let's see.. which thread is he talking about http://boards.4chan.org/sci/ | 13:08 |
| kirka | Actually I think that /scis's intelelctual level is quite low | 13:08 |
| eudoxia | i know | 13:09 |
| eudoxia | https://boards.4chan.org/sci/res/5345644 | 13:09 |
| kirka | I think that if somebody downloads the book and will read that a little, that'll be a good thing | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | btw, pmetzger made a nanotech facebook group that he wanted to be high quality | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | but sadly the only contribution was my post on nanoengineer | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | so i'm pretty sure perry failed at his mission | 13:09 |
| kirka | On one russian imageboard I had something like 80 downloads | 13:10 |
| jrayhawk | haha "facebook" "high quality" | 13:10 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: yes i agree | 13:10 |
| @kanzure | but hey, i was being friendly and helped him out | 13:10 |
| kirka | I don't have accounts in any social networks (irrational feelings towards data mining) | 13:10 |
| @kanzure | pretty weird for someone who just suggested a forum | 13:10 |
| @fenn | 4chan is about as anonymous as you can get without resorting to tor | 13:11 |
| @kanzure | also, this is the second time in the last 48 hours someone has linked me to my github repos | 13:11 |
| kirka | Forums are perceived as something "oldschool" these days | 13:11 |
| @kanzure | someone else posted a link to my github account in /vp/ | 13:11 |
| jrayhawk | alternatively lists.diyhpl.us would work, if you want less namespace pollution | 13:11 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: oh sorry, i meant to reply to you, uh | 13:12 |
| @kanzure | it would be nice if i could have access to my mailbox from gnusha/bryan.svcs.cs.pdx.edu | 13:12 |
| @kanzure | if that's still the case then go for it with the MX record changes | 13:12 |
| @kanzure | there's nothing important in the current mailbox | 13:12 |
| jrayhawk | mail...box...? | 13:12 |
| @kanzure | oh right everything is forwarded? | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 13:13 |
| @kanzure | damn mutt isn't even installed. well, i guess i never checked my mail huh. | 13:13 |
| eudoxia | why would | 13:13 |
| eudoxia | oh right | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | mail:/# grep -ri bryan /etc/exim4/aliases/ | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | /etc/exim4/aliases/diyhpl.us:bryan: kanzure@gmail.com | 13:13 |
| eudoxia | right, your pokemon thing | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk | which only local delivery would hit | 13:14 |
| @kanzure | ah i see | 13:14 |
| @kanzure | i'll modify dns in a few hours | 13:15 |
| jrayhawk | ping me when you do | 13:15 |
| jrayhawk | i guess forum.diyhpl.us is more comically manipulative of people's expectations | 13:16 |
| @fenn | ugh why do people use these file hosting services with timers | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | there are various tools that auto-skip the timers | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | there's a cli tool i forget the name of.. hrm. | 13:16 |
| @fenn | and popups and redirect loops and endless upsells | 13:17 |
| @fenn | "are you SURE you want to download the file at REGULAR SLOW speed?" | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | and all of the ads that you're never quite sure if they really are ads | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | i usually have excellent ad detection skills, and those ads are getting really good at looking like the right thing to click. almost. | 13:17 |
| @fenn | and then it hangs because the javascript was bad or something, and you can't download the file anyway | 13:17 |
| brownies | AdBlock + Ghostery removes most of them | 13:18 |
| jrayhawk | slimrat-nox maybe | 13:18 |
| @kanzure | brownies: yes, yes, but i sort of want to look at ads for other reasons | 13:19 |
| @fenn | oh neat | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | brownies: i use adblock as a whitelist heh | 13:19 |
| @fenn | "we do not recommend that you place landscapes on the ceiling. To do so has the potential to create subtle confusion or disorientation in the mind of the observer." | 13:27 |
| @fenn | right. | 13:27 |
| Mariu | :o | 13:29 |
| kirka | Wow, that's some cool number http://rghost.ru/42226664 | 13:29 |
| kirka | There are people in that site who upload a ton of files to "get" the cool one | 13:30 |
| @fenn | it is an omen! | 13:30 |
| strangewarp | o man | 13:34 |
| @fenn | this is actually kinda neat. would be even better with lenslet arrays for a 3d effect http://www.skyfactory.com/products/ | 13:36 |
| @fenn | "integral imaging" is the magic nonsense word | 13:40 |
| eudoxia | guys what is that molecule that's one big chain of carbon atoms, that has single and triple bonds | 13:48 |
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| eudoxia | i can't remember the word | 13:49 |
| eudoxia | "intercalates" single and triple bonds | 13:49 |
| eudoxia | come on brain | 13:49 |
| eudoxia | alternating, that's the word | 13:49 |
| eudoxia | a long chain of C alternating single and triple bonds | 13:50 |
| @fenn | polyacetylene? | 13:50 |
| @fenn | oh not quite | 13:51 |
| kirka | Polyalkynlenes | 13:51 |
| kirka | http://old.iupac.org/publications/books/pbook/PurpleBook-C8.pdf | 13:51 |
| kirka | Hmph | 13:51 |
| eudoxia | it was something like polyene | 13:51 |
| eudoxia | the name | 13:51 |
| eudoxia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyyne | 13:52 |
| kirka | Aha | 13:52 |
| @fenn | i bet that purplebook is the only place the word polyalkynlene exists | 13:53 |
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| kirka | And is there any polymer with hexagonal monomers and double bonds between theme? | 13:53 |
| kirka | fenn you are right | 13:53 |
| eudoxia | kirka, my logic rod was made of that, and the knobs were benzene with two contiguous H's replaced with Fluorine | 13:54 |
| eudoxia | it was not really stiff enough to be called a rod though | 13:54 |
| @fenn | see even wikipedia calls it polyacetylene | 13:54 |
| kirka | http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Graphics/LogicRod.jpg | 13:55 |
| kirka | I think for initial deign that's ok | 13:55 |
| kirka | *design | 13:55 |
| eudoxia | yeah mine was too scifi | 13:55 |
| eudoxia | well i gotta run now | 13:55 |
| eudoxia | bai~ | 13:55 |
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| kirka | Exaflop per cubic cm probably could be reached with that | 13:55 |
| kirka | bye | 13:56 |
| @fenn | why do the rods have to be so big? why not just a simple cis/trans isomerization? | 13:56 |
| kirka | Stability | 13:56 |
| kirka | Rigidity | 13:56 |
| kirka | Reliability | 13:56 |
| kirka | Of course later smaller devices will be developed | 13:57 |
| kirka | I think we should design for manufacturability for now | 13:57 |
| @fenn | i bet from an information theoretic perspective, more copies that are individually less reliable are more reliable in aggregate | 13:57 |
| kirka | That's good point | 13:57 |
| @fenn | also it may turn out that smaller devices are more easily fabricated | 13:57 |
| @fenn | for example as protein conformation changes | 13:58 |
| kirka | Do you think that it's possible to build mechaniical logic with proteins? | 13:58 |
| @fenn | otherwise what's the point of doing nanotechnology at all | 13:58 |
| @fenn | you're back at stonehenge, i mean it's still there right? pretty reliable | 13:59 |
| kirka | As the end target super-miniaturization is ok | 13:59 |
| @fenn | i would be surprised if there doesn't already exist a mechanical logic system made of protein, we just have to recognize it | 13:59 |
| kirka | But complex side group chemistry of polyyne rods will require advanced toolsets | 14:00 |
| @kanzure | huh? receptors are mechanical logic. | 14:00 |
| kirka | You are right | 14:00 |
| kirka | Yes, e.g. Rhodopsin | 14:00 |
| kirka | It changes conformation when a photon hits him | 14:01 |
| @fenn | polyynes dont have side groups | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | yes we know about rhodopsins | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | but that's not what i mean by mechanical | 14:01 |
| kirka | fenn knobs? | 14:01 |
| kirka | kanzure What then? | 14:02 |
| kirka | Ah, receptors | 14:02 |
| @kanzure | g-signal crap | 14:02 |
| @fenn | why does that require "advaned toolsets"? nature does it already, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyyne#Biological_origins | 14:02 |
| kirka | Ok | 14:03 |
| kirka | I'm still dreaming that with UHV-STM could help in bypassing "biological bootstrap". | 14:04 |
| kirka | *that UHV-STM | 14:04 |
| @fenn | well, plain old organic chemistry even | 14:05 |
| @fenn | to be honest i don't really understand the rod logic idea, so i should go read that book | 14:05 |
| kirka | That's quite simple | 14:06 |
| kirka | http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/mechano.html | 14:06 |
| kirka | But it's very mechanical | 14:06 |
| kirka | "Showing utter contempt for chemistry" as someone said | 14:07 |
| @fenn | "The entire computation could in principle be performed by a single block of complexly shaped oscillating elastic material." is what i'm saying | 14:07 |
| kirka | That's more complex | 14:07 |
| kirka | It's Merkle's ideas | 14:07 |
| kirka | http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/NanoConProc/nanocon2.html | 14:08 |
| @fenn | i don't agree that it will dissipate no energy though, otherwise how do you do anything at all? (bit erasure energy) | 14:08 |
| kirka | He is into reversible logic | 14:08 |
| @fenn | meh | 14:08 |
| kirka | That's complex too | 14:08 |
| kirka | We need just rod logic | 14:08 |
| kirka | Hmph seems nanosystems' treatment of rod logic is simpler than anything evailable on the internet | 14:10 |
| kirka | *available | 14:10 |
| kirka | http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/Images/RodGate1.gif | 14:10 |
| kirka | http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/Images/RodGate2.gif | 14:10 |
| kirka | "1" means ther is knob which belongs to rod that's perpendicular to the image | 14:11 |
| kirka | If ther is at least one knob, then the main rod cannot slide | 14:12 |
| @fenn | hmm this isn't OCR'd | 14:12 |
| kirka | That's it, you have a switch. | 14:12 |
| kirka | When I'll have full design of logic rod cell, register and a couple of other components, I can design a whole CPU. | 14:14 |
| kirka | I have some experience with that. | 14:14 |
| @kanzure | fenn: there's a nanosystems.tar.gz on the server which isn't OCR'd if you'd like that version | 14:15 |
| kirka | For the begininng, of course, I'll do simple things like full adder | 14:15 |
| @fenn | yeah i have that version already, thanks | 14:15 |
| @fenn | kirka might want it though | 14:15 |
| kirka | kanzure my DJVU isn't OCR'd too | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | who the hell uses djvu | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | what? | 14:15 |
| @fenn | it's much higher resolution than the djvu file | 14:15 |
| kirka | Ah, could be | 14:15 |
| kirka | I find 15 mb djvu more convenient | 14:16 |
| kirka | Wait | 14:16 |
| @fenn | djvu is pretty good compression ratio; it can store text layout and images. what more do you want? | 14:16 |
| kirka | I have compressed it lossless | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | hmm where did i put it | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | 2012-09-21.log:08:34 < kirka> That's it http://gnusha.org/stuff_to_deal_with/nanosystems.tar.gz | 14:17 |
| @kanzure | i wonder why that doesn't exist | 14:17 |
| @kanzure | lousy place to store it anyway | 14:17 |
| @fenn | by definition | 14:18 |
| @kanzure | fenn: if you have a copy could you upload it? it would take me an hour or something. | 14:18 |
| kirka | I have a copy | 14:18 |
| kirka | But it's too late for today | 14:18 |
| @fenn | i only have .jpg's i made from the original .png's | 14:18 |
| @fenn | why isnt the original .quark file available? sheesh | 14:19 |
| @fenn | all this stupid reverse engineering | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand why merkle doesn't have a giant file drop of all these things | 14:20 |
| @kanzure | i guess it doesn't occur to people that http is a nice thing to serve | 14:21 |
| kirka | Bye, I'm sleeping | 14:23 |
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| @kanzure | so, after looking at nanoengineer's code for months, i'm not convinced there's anything useful in there | 14:24 |
| @kanzure | most of it is gui stuff | 14:24 |
| @kanzure | and the stuff that isn't gui stuff is riddled with gui stuff anyway | 14:24 |
| @fenn | is this surprising? it's a GUI program after all | 14:25 |
| @kanzure | theoretically there's a core library | 14:25 |
| @kanzure | with the file format stuff (which, surprise, is not separable) | 14:25 |
| @fenn | not separable from what? | 14:25 |
| @kanzure | from all the other code | 14:26 |
| @kanzure | i should be able to "import nanoengineer" in python and get useful things, not a gui. | 14:26 |
| @fenn | ah | 14:26 |
| @fenn | make it so, number one | 14:26 |
| @fenn | :set editor=vaporize | 14:26 |
| @fenn | do you have an archive of _Nanotechnology_ by IOPP? | 14:28 |
| @fenn | http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/ | 14:28 |
| @kanzure | doesn't sound like a thing i have, no | 14:28 |
| @fenn | apparently that's where merkle published a lot of stuff | 14:29 |
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| emancipate | hey anyone playing with opto genetics? and good reads you can point me to? | 16:08 |
| emancipate | any* | 16:08 |
| @kanzure | http://anselmlevskaya.com/ | 16:09 |
| emancipate | thanks | 16:09 |
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| pasky | laser printed dna? | 16:11 |
| pasky | wow | 16:11 |
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| @fenn | a cute phrase that conveys little information about what's actually going on | 16:16 |
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| @kanzure | sloan foundation bioterrorism preparedness http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/publications/2012/2012-12-12-prep_bioterrorism.html#pdf | 16:30 |
| safitan | paid for by the sloan foundation and listeners like you | 16:31 |
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| @kanzure | brainport.io | 17:21 |
| @fenn | io error: brain not found | 17:25 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: you got a beat on any cubish proteins? | 17:35 |
| yashgaroth | Borg1 is the only one I'm familiar with | 17:35 |
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| yashgaroth | they tend to form spheres if they're gonna be big enough to form cubes | 17:36 |
| AdrianG | how safe is TDCS | 17:37 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i can't find any pdb files of it, it seems to be better known as CDC42EP2 | 17:38 |
| yashgaroth | yeah sorry I was joking, y'know borg cubes and all | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | well some fucking biologist thought it would be funny to name his protein borg1 apparently | 17:39 |
| yashgaroth | it's all about the puns, gotta stand out from the crowd of 100,000 other proteins | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | if they take up all the cool names with trivial crap, what are we going to name the really cool shit | 17:40 |
| yashgaroth | there's no formal rule against using profanity, and naming your protein 'Fuck' would certainly help keep it out of all the shitty pop-sci articles | 17:41 |
| emancipate | it might not be related but you might find something usefull here, pdb rich server http://qsad.bu.edu/data/pdbfiles/ | 17:42 |
| yashgaroth | those all look like small molecules | 17:42 |
| emancipate | yeah they are, I just came across them a whhile back | 17:43 |
| emancipate | another might have doubles from other server http://cat.middlebury.edu/~chem/chemistry/pdb/ | 17:44 |
| emancipate | my other link was dead too bad, but heres the last I have http://mouse.belozersky.msu.ru/npidb/pdb/dna/ | 17:46 |
| emancipate | go up one directory he has other interesting stuffs | 17:47 |
| emancipate | hmm I havent been to it in a while, looks like he updated it http://mouse.belozersky.msu.ru/npidb/pdb/pdb_new/ | 17:48 |
| emancipate | ok back to lurking, enjoy | 17:48 |
| yashgaroth | don't take this the wrong way, but all pdb files are available at PDB and I have no idea what that guy's research is about | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | heh | 17:49 |
| emancipate | whoops sorry, I just thought one of his pdb would be what you were looking for | 17:54 |
| emancipate | I never did check against pdb if it was available there too, kinda new still playing around sources and reading | 17:55 |
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| @fenn | interesting. the dawn spacecraft (that went to vesta and now going to ceres) main telescope image processor uses a "soft" fpga based CPU, available under the LGPL from opencores :O | 17:59 |
| @kanzure | is there an alt-tab shortcut to not have to cycle through all the tabs to get back to your current tab? and not "alt-tab release alt-tab release" | 17:59 |
| emancipate | ctrl+number I think | 18:00 |
| emancipate | well depends on the client | 18:00 |
| emancipate | when I used hydra , and pidgin I think | 18:01 |
| @fenn | alt-shift-tab? | 18:02 |
| emancipate | ohh its alt+number in chatzilla :D | 18:02 |
| @fenn | EVOLVE OR DIE!!!1 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pyWHC2_OWYQ/Tgnxf5JWwJI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/lg32DmTzol8/s1600/Cybergen.jpg | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | alt-shift-tab just goes backwards instead | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | maybe it's time to get off of gnome/kde | 18:22 |
| @fenn | i've been using lxde and various bits from gnome | 18:23 |
| @fenn | it's not that super duper really, but i figure eventually gnome will drop the "classic" mode altogether and be completely useless | 18:24 |
| @kanzure | aren't we all supposed to be using xmonadnads or something | 18:25 |
| @kanzure | aha jrayhawk-approved | 18:25 |
| @kanzure | well it's decided then | 18:25 |
| @kanzure | can't be much worse than gnome | 18:25 |
| @fenn | i could never figure out what a monad was, that's my excuse | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | something about philosophical optimism.. and german encyclopedia projects. | 18:27 |
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| jrayhawk | something about burritos | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | also, what's the right way to reset the keyboard on linux if something goes terribly wrong? xsetkb isn't doing the trick for a friend. | 18:28 |
| @kanzure | i thought it would appear in lsmod but it doesn't | 18:28 |
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| brownies | burritos++ | 18:34 |
| jrayhawk | burritos within burritos, my friend | 18:37 |
| jrayhawk | it's just burritos all the way down | 18:37 |
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| jrayhawk | re: kbd: too many potential layers to think about, and I don't fully understand it myself. oftentimes restarting udev helps. | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | thanks, i think "sudo service udev restart" might work in that case. | 18:40 |
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| @fenn | Johnny Depp will play Will, a scientist whose brain is uploaded into a supercomputer in Transcendence (2014) | 19:35 |
| @fenn | 2014 refers to the movie release date presumably, not the date johnny depp is uploaded. | 19:35 |
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| AdrianG | lol fenn | 19:48 |
| joshcryer | Oblivion and Pacific Rim are two new-tech blockbusters coming out. Guess hollywood is getting back into tech stuff again. | 19:52 |
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| @kanzure | bloop | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | javascript sure has gotten weird http://possan.se/junk/webglass/index.html | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | finally someone came to their senses and made hatsune miku webgl http://edv.sakura.ne.jp/mmd/ | 21:10 |
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| @kanzure | well.. sort of. | 21:12 |
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| @kanzure | "Wednesday 12/19: 6pm - 7pm Molecular Biology of the Cell Study Group" | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | didn't know biocurious had that | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | http://www.nature.com/spoton/2012/12/spoton-nyc-diy-bio-cant-make-the-livestream-viewing-join-us-online-on-friday-instead/ | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | http://www.scilogs.com/beyond_the_lab/how-do-we-make-diybio-sustainable/ | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | "nature publishing group" are the last people you should ask about diybio | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | oh look they even linked to me, how rebelious of them to actually care. | 22:26 |
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| @kanzure | BioGuy: hi | 22:34 |
| BioGuy | Hey, long time no chat | 22:36 |
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