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| archels | Increased expression of BubR1 protects against aneuploidy and cancer and extends healthy lifespan | 00:13 |
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| @fenn | juri_: i think you should do some simple rate calculations to determine how long it will take to pick-and-place enough cells for an organ, and then see whether they can survive for that long | 01:36 |
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| juri_ | fenn: already a problem i've been working with the other members of the team here on. | 02:17 |
| juri_ | keeping the cells alive is important, after all. | 02:17 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.cureus.com/competitions/1 | 08:51 |
| @kanzure | i guess this is a competitor to peerj? | 08:51 |
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| wrldpc | anyone know of anything interesting happening in NYC December 27th-29th, January 4th-6th, or in Boston 29th/30th-January 3rd? Science/technology/art related stuff. Lectures, exhibits, conferences, etc. | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | genspace probably does things | 09:30 |
| wrldpc | Cool! | 09:31 |
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| @kanzure | "Richard Thieme, international BioHacking expert to appear as a ...." haha, i blame forrest for this. | 10:17 |
| juri_ | there are biohacking experts? | 10:17 |
| @kanzure | no, he's full of shit | 10:18 |
| @kanzure | he had one phone call with me in 2008 and now he thinks he's a biohacking expert | 10:18 |
| @kanzure | somehow that one phone call became the subject of his defcon talk | 10:18 |
| @kanzure | when forrest was last visiting, he apologized about richard, because he had some interaction with him and might have confused him or something | 10:19 |
| juri_ | Nice. | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | what? it's not nice at all. | 10:21 |
| juri_ | welcome to a developing field. | 10:22 |
| juri_ | whackadoodle crazy is everywhere. | 10:22 |
| juri_ | probably including me. ;) | 10:22 |
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| tylergillies | just watched http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_diamandis_abundance_is_our_future.html | 11:42 |
| tylergillies | nice video | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | i think pdfernhout.net is a better source of abundance information | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | peter diamandis, at this point, is just a marketing guy | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | not that there's anything wrong with that.. it's just exceedingly unlikely that he is going to provide novel information that you can't get from better sources. | 11:44 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: thnx for link | 11:46 |
| emancipate | where is waldo? https://s3.amazonaws.com/Gigapans/EBC_Pumori_050112_8bit_FLAT/EBC_Pumori_050112_8bit_FLAT.html | 12:28 |
| emancipate | whoops, sorry | 12:28 |
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| panax | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqVDMr9ivo | 13:57 |
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| archels | http://rj3sp.blogspot.nl/2011/10/rotundus-groundbot-spherical.html | 14:10 |
| archels | http://www.hvlabs.com/Images/max.jpg | 14:15 |
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| archels | http://pulse2.com/2009/06/09/the-israeli-defense-force-builds-robot-snake-spy-camera/ | 14:20 |
| ArmilusDajjal | nice | 14:24 |
| ArmilusDajjal | islreal is so awesome i converted from satanism to judeasm so i could live there | 14:24 |
| eudoxia | >In case the snake gets discovered, it can self-destruct with the built in explosives. | 14:31 |
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| @fenn | pan4x: really cool video, thanks | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | so how about a marketplace/website thing for human enhancement projects | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | for instance, whole genome sequencing would be one potential service. i guess it would work as a referral system. | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | or "creation of a human sperm from a dna sample, fusion with an egg, and implantation into the uterus of a surregate" (erm, "have a child with a dead guy") | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | zonulin would probably be a good example actually | 17:10 |
| @fenn | like MFG.com for bio stuff? | 17:10 |
| @fenn | zonulin antagonist isn't really "human enhancement" so much as "fix the fucking broken medical system" | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | "bio stuff" doesn't quite capture what i had in mind.. just "near term future stuff, or stuff that might be 'futuristic' but is actually plausible but not happening" | 17:11 |
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| @kanzure | well, consider the case of prosthetic limbs. a few hundred grand thrown at the right engineer can get you pretty far especially if you have a spare to throw at him. | 17:13 |
| @fenn | a spare limb? | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | spare prosthetic, spare limb.. same thing. | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | i had a family member who needed a leg, he ended up having a few models laying around for whatever reason | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | (they were all terrible, i think he got the short leg of the deal) | 17:14 |
| @fenn | speaking of missing limbs and what to do about it, this guy looks to be onto something http://ase.tufts.edu/biology/labs/levin/ | 17:15 |
| @fenn | yah prosthetics is so bad because it's a "medical device" and all the legal bullshit that goes along with developing in that arena | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | also, i'm pretty disappointed with how microelectrode arrays have not been improving resolution or whatever metric has to actually improve for realistic interfacing | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | people think that "brain-controlled prosthetics" means something interesting, but it's really like two muscles that you control and once you have one prosthetic, good luck getting another available muscle group to control anything else with.. | 17:16 |
| @fenn | there's ways to get around that.. ensemble coding for example | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | well, i also haven't been reading microelectrode array research for the past ~18 months. i suspect, though, that if something really awesome happened, the news would've gone ballistic. | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | i had this chart once that listed the bit-rate bandwidth of different implants. it was all so sad. | 17:18 |
| @fenn | it's not a huge field. mostly confined to epilepsy research and seeing how large a chunk of someone's brain they can remove without killing them | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | well presumably it would be huger because prosthetics users want better control? | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | or maybe they are just happy to not have a chunk of body missing | 17:19 |
| @fenn | really the issue has been integration with the rest of the body as a whole system, power to weight ratio and energy capacity | 17:20 |
| @fenn | body-powered prosthetics blow any electrical device out of the water on these fronts | 17:20 |
| @fenn | which is the main reason "luke arm" style prosthetics haven't taken off | 17:20 |
| @fenn | by "body-powered" i mean, a hook, or some cable actuated device | 17:21 |
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| @kanzure | no disagreement there | 17:22 |
| @fenn | also you have a tighter feedback loop with tactile control of a hook | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | i don't need a hook i need to type | 17:22 |
| @fenn | hard to predict what a robot strapped to your shoulder is going to do | 17:23 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, you already type like a robot dude. | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | i would be faster if i didn't | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | "home row" is a soviet lie | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | designed to impact american productivity | 17:24 |
| @fenn | i think once people realize that it's the structural impedance mismatch between squishy biological nerve tissue and hard silicon crystal chip surface, we'll make some progress on interfacing to nerve bundles | 17:24 |
| @fenn | doesn't matter how high resolution your interface is if the cells die in a week | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | still: there should be a site that currates these already-possible, plausible, near-term-future projects for human enhancement and related projects | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | in many cases, hiring a few biologists (since they are dirt cheap) is quite possible to tackle some project | 17:25 |
| @fenn | what does the site do exactly? catalogs the state of ongoing projects? | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | take rich people's money | 17:26 |
| @fenn | so it's a 501c3? | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | no. | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | i was thinking something more like elance | 17:26 |
| @fenn | it's a business that sells what exactly? | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | it's a business that sells referrals | 17:27 |
| @fenn | hm.. okay then you have a chicken and egg problem | 17:27 |
| @fenn | need clients to get providers, need providers to get clients | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | not entirely. i think i know enough providers that can do some really amazing projects. | 17:27 |
| @fenn | okay well make a list | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | and i'm not as worried about clients.. singularity university is like a huge marketing program for this. | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | "hey you just dumped $25k into singularity university.. how would you like to actually get sequenced?" (sequencing is a bad example because in a year or two it will be trivially cheap) | 17:28 |
| @fenn | you probably have all this in your meetlog already, just need to verify that people are available | 17:28 |
| @kanzure | (and trivial to buy somewhere online) | 17:28 |
| @kanzure | this makes sense for diseases- but that's not very enhancey | 17:29 |
| @fenn | i can't think with all this hare krishna music blaring | 17:29 |
| joshcryer | How long until you can sequence bad samples, like say from an envelope? | 17:29 |
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| joshcryer | (trivially / cheaply I mean) | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | "this provider offers custom/designer drug services" - but research projects can be hit/miss, i don't know. | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | joshcryer: envelopes aren't always bad samples. we can sequence samples from 200,000 years ago. envelopes are probably better preserved. | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i think the trick is finding the right match between service providers and what clients are expecting | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | some wealthy people would be surprised what's currently possible and just not available, whereas others might have more specific goals/requirements in mind. | 17:32 |
| @fenn | there are lots of chinese custom drug synthesis companies | 17:35 |
| @fenn | they have a terrible online presence usually | 17:35 |
| @fenn | just accepting paypal instead of international bank transfer would be a huge step forward | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | alibaba doesn't take care of that? | 17:36 |
| @fenn | no | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | craptastic | 17:36 |
| @fenn | aliexpress does, but most suppliers don't use that | 17:36 |
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| @fenn | yeah it's especially annoying for small stuff, where shipping and transfer fees add up to like $100 | 17:37 |
| @fenn | assuming the transfer even works, which it takes a week to find out | 17:38 |
| @fenn | anyway i don't know who these clients are you're expecing will line up | 17:39 |
| @fenn | most people don't have $25k to blow on gene sequencing | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | the real question is whether or not there are individuals that are willing to spend to get tech from the future that isn't on the market yet | 17:40 |
| @kanzure | "from the future" is the wrong way to word it but it conveys the right meaning | 17:40 |
| @fenn | it's a price to value ratio question | 17:41 |
| @fenn | you can fund your own research department to make an ipod, or you can wait 5 years and one will be invented by someone else | 17:41 |
| @fenn | maybe that was a bad example | 17:41 |
| @fenn | okay how about zonulin antagonist peptides | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | maybe what you mean to say is, "for any non-life-threatening situations, it pays off to wait for someone else to do whatever rather than spending resources yourself" | 17:42 |
| @fenn | yeah it costs a lot to develop an ipod | 17:43 |
| @fenn | but they only cost $100 or so to buy | 17:43 |
| @fenn | i guess "economy of scale" is what i'm getting at | 17:43 |
| @kanzure | that doesn't matter to me here.. if the minimum amount of cash a user has to pay is $100k then so be it. | 17:43 |
| @fenn | 100 celiac people could afford to fund a zonulin antagonist crash production program so they can get it RIGHT NOW ins tead f wating 5 years for clinical trials | 17:44 |
| @kanzure | in 2004 it was quite possible to build a one-off mp3 player. perhaps not one with the quality of an ipod. but it's not like it was impossible to make a hand-crafted piece of tech.. | 17:44 |
| @kanzure | furthermore there was probably more than 1000 engineers/tinkerers who could have done that | 17:45 |
| @kanzure | at that time | 17:45 |
| @fenn | sure | 17:45 |
| @fenn | i remember the "minty mp3" | 17:46 |
| @kanzure | ah yes the one in the mint box | 17:46 |
| @fenn | i guess that was later | 17:46 |
| @fenn | anyway there's nothing special about a DSP with a sound jack | 17:47 |
| @kanzure | if it costs $2M to get a team of chemists to design and test nootropics.. that's fine. but it should be listed and happening somewhere. | 17:47 |
| @fenn | well now you're in the venture capital territory | 17:47 |
| @fenn | i mean it was "big deal" that transcriptic got $1.2m | 17:47 |
| @kanzure | lots of things are funded all the time. $1.2M is small change. | 17:48 |
| @kanzure | also, i think there's something to be said for not requiring all projects to be companies. | 17:48 |
| @fenn | yeah i guess it's a different game | 17:48 |
| @kanzure | one-off projects that have a definite start/end date is more like consulting than building a company that goes public. | 17:48 |
| jrayhawk | /window 4 | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | HA | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | YES | 17:49 |
| jrayhawk | DAMNIT | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | after all these years of giving me shit jrayhawk... | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | should have known | 17:49 |
| jrayhawk | i am undone | 17:50 |
| @fenn | hum i just type alt-4 | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | tmux overrides that | 17:50 |
| jrayhawk | normally i use ctrl-p and ctrl-n but i am dumb today | 17:50 |
| @fenn | or esc-4 | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | gnome-terminal also overrides alt-n | 17:51 |
| jrayhawk | oh, that's cool | 17:51 |
| @fenn | i'm using gnome terminal | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | aha esc-n. nice. but it doesn't seem to let me type in larger numbers. | 17:51 |
| @fenn | oh, you mean for switching tabs | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | damn it, we need a consistent tab switching convention | 17:52 |
| @fenn | (who came up with this tab idea and how do i go back in time to terminate their conception) | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | chrome is ctrl+page up/down. what sort of fucking nonsense is that? | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | and tmux is ctrl-b ctrl-n/ctrl-p. | 17:52 |
| @fenn | it's not ctrl-tab in chrome? | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | that also works | 17:52 |
| @fenn | tmux isn't tabs though, it's, er... virtual consoles :P | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | xmonad plus labels is really nice | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | alt-w then i type what i want and press enter | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | alt-w gmail, alt-w cnn, alt-w irc, alt-w meetlog | 17:53 |
| @fenn | anyway enough bout switching windows | 17:53 |
| @fenn | where's my HMD with eye tracking head tracking hand tracking sensors built in | 17:54 |
| @kanzure | why? we all know that window switching is the true subject of this channel. | 17:54 |
| @kanzure | is there a way to break my windows out of irssi? | 17:55 |
| @fenn | eh? | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | i can break windows out of firefox and have one window per page | 17:55 |
| @fenn | hm | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | and i can run multiple tmux sessions on a server and just reattach when i please (keeping one gui window open per console) | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | e.g. i want a completely flat interface | 17:56 |
| jrayhawk | you can put everything in the same irssi window | 17:56 |
| @fenn | seems like it would be similar to split windows | 17:56 |
| jrayhawk | it is a bit messy, though | 17:56 |
| @fenn | doesn't work for 100+ channels | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | huh? everything /is/ in the single irssi window. | 17:56 |
| jrayhawk | the irssi conception of a window | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand? | 17:57 |
| @fenn | http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit/ | 17:57 |
| jrayhawk | an irssi conception of a window in the sense of using /window in irssi | 17:57 |
| @fenn | it's not the solution to your problem | 17:57 |
| @fenn | it's for stuff like having #foo and #foo-dev in the same window | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | actually, irssi can have all of its lousy tabs for all i care | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | as long as i can switch to the exact tab from another application immediately | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | so while browsing around, alt-w irc-hplusroadmap | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | this could probably be accomplished by dumping in "arrow down or \n/join ##hplusroadmap" into the irssi window | 17:59 |
| @kanzure | eh that sounds terrible actually. arrow down might go to the previous line of input, and \n might send an incomplete message. | 17:59 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, with xmacro or equivalent hooked into your window manager. | 17:59 |
| @kanzure | how do i actually create a new line in irssi anyway? sometimes i have to arrow down for ages. | 17:59 |
| jrayhawk | You might like quassel | 17:59 |
| @fenn | i guess you could use an "irc bouncer" and run multiple display clients, one in each window-manager-window | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | also, this same feature with tmux would be nice. | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | is tmux smart enough to propagate the names of tabs from encapsulated tmux sessions? like irssi within tmux within tmux. | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | search-by-window-name is the future. i have seen the future. | 18:03 |
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| @fenn | search-as-you-type | 18:04 |
| @fenn | it's basically an unbalanced n-ary decision tree | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | search-as-you-type is awful for google ("google instant") but i think i would be ok with it for my open windows | 18:05 |
| @fenn | ideally it would be balanced but that's hard for people to memorize | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean balanced? | 18:06 |
| @fenn | i try to name most of my top level directories starting with different letters so ~/anime doesn't conflict with ~/androids or whatever | 18:06 |
| @fenn | you know how a balanced binary tree works right | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | no, what makes it balanced? | 18:07 |
| @fenn | well say you have a top level directories ~/aaaaaa and ~/aaaaab and ~/aaaaac and there were no such thing as tab completion | 18:08 |
| @fenn | wouldnt it be better to just name them ~/a ~/b and ~/c | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | yes? | 18:09 |
| @fenn | binary trees only have two letters 0 and 1, so you'd have ~/0 and ~/1, and inside thos directories ~/0/0 ~/0/1 ~/1/0 ~/1/1 | 18:10 |
| @fenn | an unbalanced binary tree would be like having a whole crapload of directories under ~/0/0/0/0/0/0/ | 18:10 |
| @fenn | and nothing in ~/1 | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | there are only so many first-three-letter words that make sense for things | 18:11 |
| @kanzure | zxcv isn't going to be prefixing many things | 18:11 |
| jrayhawk | uzbl supposedly does a good job of disabling tabs and making search-by-title model work for web browsing, at lesat | 18:11 |
| jrayhawk | least | 18:11 |
| @fenn | so, when switching to named tabs, it would be best if you evenly distributed the tab names over the alphabet | 18:11 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: ever since xmonad i have been using new windows just fine | 18:11 |
| @kanzure | uzbl does windows managed by itself? or what? | 18:11 |
| @fenn | i have so many tabs open i don't even remember what i have open, so i'm not sure making it easier to switch is oging to help | 18:12 |
| @fenn | i really like the idea of tab groups, and unfortunately firefox butchered the implementation | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i use firefox's tree style tab to make it easy to read my oepn tabs | 18:13 |
| @fenn | tree style tab doesn't fix memory consumption though | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | also, toomanytabs is supposed to slowly move tabs into bookmarks/cache and remove them from active memory | 18:13 |
| @fenn | o rly | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | but i don't know if that works when you're using windows instead of tabs | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | i might have to fix it, dunno. | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/ | 18:13 |
| jrayhawk | uzbl doesn't have a concept of tabs, and works pretty hard to disable the target="_blank" and related friends | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | it also has a weird thing about rows of tabs.. rows are evil. | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | "To SPEED UP your Firefox, when a tab is added to TMT, it is unloaded from browser and its tab state & history are stored in TMT. When you click on a tab, the tab is opened again from disk cache, with tab state & history restored if available; (Please note that the memory freed varies and is subjected to different websites.)" | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | oh that makes it sound like you have to manually click which tabs you want to store.. | 18:15 |
| @fenn | damn how did i not find this when i was reading about tab management extensions | 18:16 |
| @kanzure | no it's manual, it's worthless. you'd be better writing your own version. | 18:16 |
| @fenn | i'm really not impressed by chrome or firefox lately, compared to how fast midori loads | 18:17 |
| @fenn | it's like they forgot about the concept of disk cache and have to reload all the tabs from the internet | 18:18 |
| @fenn | now i just need to be able to save/close entire midori windows | 18:19 |
| @kanzure | ITAR reform "I just got a notification that both the house and senate passed a bill to remove satellites and related technology from the USML, subject to restrictions on specific countries. Technology would still be restricted by the department of commerce export list, but that should be slightly less restrictive." | 18:20 |
| @fenn | oh i see what you mean about rows.. blegh | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | ah nevermind "The bill gave the president back the authority to move satellite related technologies off the USML, with congressional approval...which could take a while." | 18:21 |
| @fenn | obama doesn't give a shit about space development | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | yeah i missed the second part, sorry. move along. | 18:21 |
| @fenn | maybe it will make a difference when marshall brain gets elected :P | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | i'm pretty sure he's busy smoking cigars made of hundred dollar bills with his family | 18:22 |
| @fenn | does tmt for chrome sync with tmt for firefox? | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | unlikely. when i looked they didn't seem to be the same thing. | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | "Features: Bird's eye view of all opened tabs" why would i want that. i just want tabs to go away and magically come back. | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | "Import tabs data from TooManyTabs for Firefox" what. that's bizarre. | 18:27 |
| @fenn | not bizarre | 18:29 |
| @fenn | chrome is faster at js | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | this is just not what i remembered. maybe there was another chrome extension with the same name. | 18:29 |
| @fenn | but lacking in extension configurability | 18:30 |
| @fenn | so if you want to change colors (the right way) use firefox. if you want to do heavy duty map browsing use chrome | 18:30 |
| @kanzure | on an unrelated note, it would be nice to be able to manipulate the dom in a window from the command line, instead of using the webkit inspector. | 18:31 |
| @fenn | yeah. there's no way to do that? | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | no. | 18:31 |
| @fenn | using dbus or something | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | at the moment it doesn't exist. | 18:31 |
| @fenn | unbelievable | 18:32 |
| @fenn | well seems i'm not the first person to think of using dbus, but none of it went anywhere | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | it would be nice to do things like "browser tab-identifier javascript <js to inject goes here>(or files or stdin support)" and "browser tab-identifier assets" to list loaded remote resources | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | why would you say dbus in this case? | 18:33 |
| @fenn | it's the modern popular inter process communication layer | 18:33 |
| @fenn | on linux at last | 18:33 |
| @fenn | least* | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | i'm aware of what it is but wouldn't that mean i have to write lots of C++ to get webkit to work on this | 18:34 |
| @fenn | it's the "browser tab-identifier" part of the string | 18:34 |
| @fenn | no dbus messages can be sent from the shell | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | my first thought would be "write a line of javascript that gets injected into a page, then the shell command talks to the server that the javascript tag is talking to" | 18:34 |
| @fenn | it worked great for konqueror 2 years ago | 18:34 |
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| @kanzure | "extract all URIs from konqueror using dbus" well that's fucking neat | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | i can't find anything about this | 18:36 |
| @fenn | there was a gui browser for navigating the tree of available resources | 18:37 |
| @fenn | this is how i made a new window magically appear: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=`qdbus org.kde.konqueror* | head -n 1` /KonqMain org.kde.Konqueror.Main.openBrowserWindow string:"$*" array:byte: | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | making a new window appears in other browsers is just "google-chrome http://whatever/" | 18:38 |
| @fenn | well that wasn't a feature back then | 18:38 |
| @fenn | (and there was no such thing as google chrome then) | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | js-core-dbus | 18:39 |
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| @kanzure | browser-dbus-bridge | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010584.html | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | http://sandbox.movial.com/gitweb?p=browser-dbus-bridge.git | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | oh.. this is for javascript to get access to the dbus, but not the other way around? | 18:41 |
| @fenn | i guess you could have your js constantly polling some command file to see if it's been written to | 18:42 |
| @fenn | i just figured there would be some hook in the webkit implementation already that you could call | 18:43 |
| @kanzure | i would probably use a websocket to talk to a server that is running as a daemon | 18:43 |
| @kanzure | or whatever weinre does like on http://debug.phonegap.com/ | 18:44 |
| @fenn | what's the goal here? | 18:44 |
| @kanzure | less awful web development by using a command line instead of a gui to debug html/css/javascript | 18:44 |
| @fenn | so basically you want a js console | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | and access to other browser things | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | like session cookies | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | (which you can get through other means obviously, but shuttup) | 18:47 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | sup | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | what was that command you wanted me to type in cyanogenmod? | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | lsmod | grep net | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | nada | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | not there | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | k that sucks | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | means you don't have iptables | 21:01 |
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| nmz787 | :O | 21:01 |
| nmz787 | time you make a firewall app with iptables and sell it for a dollar | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | iptables requires the netfilter module to be installed | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | oops i mean it requires the netfilter module to be compiled into the kernel | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | .. i think. | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: please check my ignorance | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | because it looks like i don't currently have netfilter running btu i know iptables is. so that can't be right. | 21:07 |
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| abetusk | http://wyolum.com/wyolum-innovation-grant-2012-applications/ | 21:32 |
| @fenn | oh dont remind me | 21:37 |
| @fenn | there were only 5 applicants? | 21:38 |
| abetusk | 6th is the SparkFun tour? | 21:38 |
| @fenn | bah | 21:38 |
| abetusk | Ah, maybe they gave it to SparkFun because there were only 5 applicants? | 21:38 |
| abetusk | You're not a fan of the grant? | 21:39 |
| @fenn | uh. i was thinking about applying but didn't have my shit together | 21:39 |
| @fenn | sparkfun is a business, why do they need a grant? | 21:39 |
| abetusk | oh, too bad. What was your project? | 21:39 |
| abetusk | For the tour that they're putting on | 21:40 |
| abetusk | The link is to the kickstarter page | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | that doesn't answer the question | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | yes i'm aware that sparkfun was running a kickstarter campaign | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | but don't they make piles of cash? | 21:40 |
| @fenn | yeah they charge $15 for a character LCD module | 21:40 |
| abetusk | Do you really think being in the kit selling business is lucrative? | 21:41 |
| @fenn | don't tell me it costs $10 to stuff it in a cute red cardboard box | 21:41 |
| abetusk | They do a lot of development... | 21:41 |
| abetusk | Don't understand where the hate is coming from | 21:41 |
| @fenn | it just seems sort of weird to ask your customers for money to take your business on tour | 21:42 |
| @fenn | for reference i bought a brand new LCD module from hong kong for $2 | 21:42 |
| abetusk | fenn, no, I undertand, and I try and do most of my shopping through ebay, aliexpress, etc. for precisely that reason. But paying $15 for an LCD screen that is known to be working, has a datasheet, has documentation and effectively has a warranty behind it is worth $13 to some people | 21:44 |
| abetusk | worth the $13 extra I mean to say | 21:45 |
| @fenn | i wish all their products had documentation and example code | 21:45 |
| @fenn | as far as businesses and especially startups go, sparkfun is pretty responsible and communicative to their customers | 21:46 |
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| @fenn | but i can't see their tour as anything more than a sparkfun-promotion tour | 21:47 |
| abetusk | I'm all for supporting those guys, but it seems like it was teaching pre-teens how to solder. Not my idea of a good time | 21:49 |
| abetusk | fenn, if you don't mind me asking, what was the project you were going to submit? | 21:49 |
| @fenn | i've been to their soldering tent at maker faire etc, and it's nothing like real electrical engineering. | 21:49 |
| @fenn | it's learning how to use the kits, which admittedly is where electrical engineering is headed.. | 21:49 |
| @fenn | i've got a large number of possible projects | 21:50 |
| @fenn | wyolum took down their application guidelines so i dont know which one fit best | 21:50 |
| abetusk | I think the idea is to get people interested in electronics, rather than teaching electronics. Making electronics "accessible" | 21:50 |
| @fenn | looking at what got funded, the wearable chording keyboard would have been a good fit | 21:50 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: the project the biohacking group here is working on is micro electrode arrays. | 21:52 |
| abetusk | I've wanted one of those for a while | 21:52 |
| @fenn | or a wrist accelerometer activity logger, quite similar to the logger on there electronically, but miniaturized | 21:53 |
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| abetusk | I'm waiting for small, cheap, low power GPS so you can put a position logger on it as well | 21:55 |
| @fenn | anyway basis is (finally) out so you can go blow $300 on that if you're into that sort of thing | 21:55 |
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| @fenn | looks like anool (the guy behind wyolum) sells electronics testing and measuring equipment as his business | 22:01 |
| @fenn | low power gps would be nice | 22:03 |
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| abetusk | basis? | 22:06 |
| @fenn | mybasis.com an accelerometer pulse and gsr logger, aimed at hip young fitness enthusiasts | 22:08 |
| @fenn | i still dont know what sort of data is possible to get off the thing, despite knowing several people who work there | 22:09 |
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| @fenn | pff none of the hardware people are on the "team" page | 22:12 |
| @fenn | kanzure did you ever meat jean rintoul? http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=17219393 | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | no and the only entry i have is you mentioning him 2011-07-19 | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | ah we were talking with kevin kelly | 22:27 |
| @fenn | yeah there were a lot of people there | 22:30 |
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| @fenn | including nmz787? | 22:30 |
| @fenn | i never did look at cytoscape-web | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | i'm p. sure he was driving you around | 22:31 |
| @fenn | well this is why i keep this log, to remember these important details :P | 22:32 |
| @fenn | hrm cytoscape is flash | 22:33 |
| @fenn | that's disappointing | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | oops, correction.. jean rintoul is also in my incidence collision detection system as being somehow associated with diybio. | 22:34 |
| @fenn | what the hell does "Cytoscape Web is a Flash component with a Javascript API." mean | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | it probably means it exposes some javascript functions | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | http://viget.com/inspire/bi-directional-actionscript-javascript-communication | 22:35 |
| @fenn | why isnt it just javascript? wah. | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | in the dark ages (2001) i fancied myself an actionscript expert | 22:36 |
| @kanzure | <--- deep shame | 22:36 |
| @kanzure | back then i think it was called flash 4 | 22:37 |
| @fenn | how funny is it that the demo doesn't work | 22:38 |
| @fenn | the viget.com thing | 22:38 |
| @fenn | it tries to contact airbrake.io but nothing happens | 22:39 |
| @fenn | fucking "designers" | 22:39 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: we should all get the oportunity to become wise enough to be embarassed at the things we did when we were young. | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | why | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | what? | 23:48 |
| @fenn | actionscript | 23:49 |
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