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| jrayhawk | 'module to be compiled into the kernel' these things are mutually exclusive | 00:56 |
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| jrayhawk | /proc/net/ip_tables_names is the netlink interface | 00:58 |
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| @fenn | "I don't understand why you would want a 100 tabs open at a time. You are like a hoarder cept its tabs instead of random junk." | 01:19 |
| @fenn | WTF I WANNA KILL EVERYONE | 01:19 |
| @fenn | a horrible comment on a nicely written article http://www.nerdblog.com/2010/06/flawed-browser-ui-case-of-too-many-tabs.html | 01:19 |
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| @kanzure | 100 tabs is weak. | 01:21 |
| joshcryer | You never need more than 10. | 01:23 |
| @fenn | and you never need a number bigger than "many" | 01:23 |
| @fenn | i'm sorry but when are developers going to face up to the fact that people open up a lot of tabs | 01:24 |
| joshcryer | I don't even use tabs. | 01:24 |
| @kanzure | tabs, windows, same thing. if you use a browser it's a tab. | 01:25 |
| @fenn | oh, really, do you use lynx? send letters via the postman? | 01:25 |
| joshcryer | A tab is a widnow within a window, and thus hidden from the top level context, imo. | 01:26 |
| joshcryer | You could have a tab previwer though. | 01:26 |
| @kanzure | i hate tab previewers | 01:26 |
| joshcryer | Me too. | 01:26 |
| @kanzure | i also hate alt-tab interfaces that make me look at an entire screen before letting me selecti t | 01:26 |
| @fenn | windows, tabs, whatever | 01:26 |
| @fenn | where's my zooming UI | 01:26 |
| joshcryer | (this is all talking as if you have a taskbar I should say... I don't know how many Linux UIs function) | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | taskbars are just as terrible | 01:27 |
| @fenn | this should have been addressed in 1992 when raskin worked at apple | 01:27 |
| joshcryer | it functions as my top context tab bar basically | 01:27 |
| joshcryer | (though multi function) | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | joshcryer: horizontal bars make no sense | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-25_KDEhacks.png | 01:28 |
| @fenn | do you actually use your computer for work? | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | doing that with horizontal bars would be impossible | 01:28 |
| @fenn | how can you compare anything with less than 10 windows open at once | 01:28 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, hmm, you must be speaking to a different level, since they can be vertical. you mean objects that are at a top level- lol, nope, you are literally saying horizontal bars... you can make the taskbar vertical ;P | 01:28 |
| @fenn | much less look at random screenshots people paste in irc | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | vertical tabs aren't much better. you can read them but now you have to scroll. | 01:29 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, for what it's worth I do agree with you, that's how my irc is set up, but I simply refuse to have 20+ windows open | 01:29 |
| @kanzure | why not just type to get to what you want? didn't we have this conversation like 5 minutes ago? | 01:29 |
| joshcryer | I got disconnected :P | 01:29 |
| joshcryer | sorry for druging up a converstion from before though if I did | 01:30 |
| @fenn | i bet you closed the window because you only had space for 5 windows on your taskbar | 01:30 |
| @kanzure | no, i just feel like a broken record player | 01:30 |
| joshcryer | fenn, hehe | 01:30 |
| @fenn | another thing that annoys me is limited scrollback buffers | 01:30 |
| joshcryer | I'm not a cyborg like you guys | 01:31 |
| @fenn | surely a computer can keep more than 100kB of text in memory? | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | or fetch things from even bigger memory? gee i wonder what we would call that. | 01:31 |
| joshcryer | where are your scrollback buffers limited? | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | some sort of storage device | 01:31 |
| @fenn | "virtual memory" | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | joshcryer: everywhere | 01:32 |
| @fenn | it's just like real memory, but it's not real! | 01:32 |
| joshcryer | hmm, I wonder if I could write a plugin for my irc client that discovered when I got disconnected, fetched the logs from the main logging site, diff'd it with the log I have, and append it back to the chat when I rejoined | 01:32 |
| @fenn | yet somehow when i set scrollback to over 9000 everything bogs down disproportionately | 01:32 |
| @kanzure | vim is sometimes smart enough to not load an entire multi-megabyte file all at once. and then it loads it when it needs it. | 01:32 |
| joshcryer | I probably could but I'm not active here and it wouldn't be useful ;P | 01:32 |
| @fenn | skype does something like that | 01:33 |
| joshcryer | which is why being invisible on skype is pointless | 01:33 |
| @fenn | you'd expect it to be a standard feature of irc clients huh | 01:33 |
| joshcryer | you can tell when someone signs in when the little sending icon stops | 01:33 |
| joshcryer | dircproxy and other irc proxy things do that for you | 01:35 |
| joshcryer | I used it for the longest time here | 01:35 |
| @fenn | this is what i want my desktop to look like http://fennetic.net/irc/conformal_mapping.png | 01:36 |
| joshcryer | right click > set background ? | 01:36 |
| @fenn | the more crap i add to the top, the further the other stuff gets pushed down | 01:36 |
| joshcryer | what do the grids indicate? | 01:37 |
| @fenn | until it's a teensy little square that's actually just an icon of the page/document/session/whatever | 01:37 |
| joshcryer | I like that idea | 01:37 |
| joshcryer | I recently stopped behaving poorly and cluttering my desktop with icons | 01:37 |
| JayDugger | What's the source for that image, fenn? | 01:37 |
| joshcryer | now everything goes into a junk folder and it's literally organized before I shut down | 01:37 |
| joshcryer | (all because I recently had to reinstall windows and just felt that going back to the way I was was stupid) | 01:38 |
| @fenn | JayDugger: no idea, i saw some photography technique years ago and tried to find the image again but couldnt and had to settle for that one instead | 01:38 |
| @fenn | JayDugger: google "conformal mapping" for all sorts of hilarity | 01:38 |
| JayDugger | i'll take that dare. | 01:39 |
| joshcryer | fenn, do the top grids have context, like, say one grid is for bio, one grid is for electronics, etc, then as you drop stuff into them they sort of flow downward? | 01:39 |
| @fenn | it's related to hyperbolic geometry | 01:39 |
| JayDugger | Ah...wikipedia, wolfram mathworld, and umn.edu... | 01:39 |
| @fenn | joshcryer: they're just windows, tabs, whatever | 01:39 |
| joshcryer | (obviously hypotehtically speaking) | 01:39 |
| JayDugger | I had expected bizarre porn. | 01:39 |
| joshcryer | fenn, ahh, aaahh, yeah, that's nice. | 01:40 |
| @fenn | JayDugger: i meant the images like this http://spacecollective.org/userdata/bN7OUn0R/1202188718/2236606971_624675da77_o.jpg and http://speckycdn.sdm.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/conformal1.png | 01:41 |
| JayDugger | Ah... | 01:41 |
| @fenn | although you could probably do some bizarre porn with that idea | 01:41 |
| JayDugger | I'll ask then--why not a tiling window manager with a spiral layout? http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:SpiralGoldenRatio.jpg | 01:49 |
| @fenn | sure seems inside out though | 01:50 |
| JayDugger | The screen shot doesn't do it justice, but the idea is that windows outside the master pane get a decreasing screen area. | 01:50 |
| joshcryer | you guys must have good memories | 01:50 |
| JayDugger | Huh? | 01:50 |
| joshcryer | as context dwindles I'd forget what the lower level or less significant things are | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 01:51 |
| joshcryer | and then wind up refreshing my memory | 01:51 |
| joshcryer | since they lose data as they shrink or go away | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | You don't need a good memory, really, to use that layout. | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | Just the ability to touch-type. | 01:51 |
| @fenn | yeah you're offloading your memory onto the computer, that's the whole point | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | That window manager let's you cycle windows about the screen with hot-keys. | 01:51 |
| joshcryer | it certainly does take advantage of pattern recognition I admit | 01:52 |
| @fenn | is that opengl texture based? what controls the font size? | 01:52 |
| JayDugger | If you forget what a small window holds, you just cycle it into a position with more screen area. | 01:52 |
| joshcryer | JayDugger, gotcha | 01:52 |
| JayDugger | I've no idea, come to think of it. | 01:53 |
| @fenn | i like the idea but i think it would fail miserably on this tiny netbook | 01:53 |
| JayDugger | I've used xmonad, the WM shown, for some time with Gnome. | 01:53 |
| @fenn | because there just aren't enough pixels for more than one or two windows at once | 01:53 |
| JayDugger | I assume Gnome controls fonts. | 01:53 |
| JayDugger | http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/xmonad_layouts_for_netbooks/ | 01:53 |
| @kanzure | behold! my command line webkit debugging tool: https://gist.github.com/4358293 | 01:53 |
| lichen | non-euclidean desktop geometries? | 01:54 |
| @fenn | oh, no i mean you cycle the window and it gets smaller, does the window continue to show the same content? or does it refresh/resize to fit the content to the smaller window? | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | Ph. | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | Oh, I get it. | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | Um...let me test it. | 01:54 |
| @fenn | lichen: i hope to have a fully immersive 3d "desktop" | 01:54 |
| @fenn | what's a couple more dimensions | 01:54 |
| lichen | nice, ive been wanting to see a _good_ one of those | 01:54 |
| lichen | i may have spammed my desktop here before, but ive made mine quite pretty | 01:55 |
| @kanzure | 3d sounds like one of those terrible ideas that ted nelson had | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | what say ya'll about leap motion? | 01:55 |
| @kanzure | xanadu 3.0.. or did he already skip that version number. | 01:55 |
| @fenn | after playing around with "curved spaces" (geometrygames.org) i realized you can get the hang of arbitrary manifolds pretty quickly | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | I'm on the fence, I think it could be useful if I had like 10 monitors or something and a large info-space to work in | 01:55 |
| lichen | neat | 01:55 |
| lichen | as long as the actual viewed pane isnt distorted | 01:55 |
| lichen | need to have 1:1 representation on the active pane | 01:55 |
| @kanzure | joshcryer: sorry, the minimum number of monitors for you to be in here is 15. | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | but for a one monitor setup with my face 3 feet from the screen, it's pointles | 01:56 |
| JayDugger | On my machine, xmonad just rescales windows as they change position or size. The window contents react just as if you resized a window in a non-tiling window manager. | 01:56 |
| lichen | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/84828979/Screenshot%20-%2012132012.jpg | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, heh | 01:56 |
| JayDugger | E.g., a web browser gives you scroll bars once the window's screen area stops showing the whole page. | 01:56 |
| @kanzure | JayDugger: i've been falling in love with xmonad's label-all-windows-and-just-search-as-you-type | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | 27 inch monitor 3 feet away :) it's sitting on a board, sitting on my desk, held up by a stack of books | 01:57 |
| @kanzure | who needs visualization when you can just remember what you want | 01:57 |
| joshcryer | (the board is hanging off the desk holding it up) | 01:57 |
| lichen | i still need to fix that 30" monitor i found on the sidewalk... | 01:57 |
| lichen | half deconstructed in the corner of my room | 01:58 |
| lichen | dont know enough electronics to find anything wrong with it | 01:58 |
| lichen | fuse tests out, nothing looks fucked | 01:58 |
| joshcryer | this makes my monitor take up a good chunk of my field of view, the ideal setup would be monitors floating all around me with a sophisticated armature system | 01:58 |
| lichen | motorized armatures, oh yes | 01:58 |
| JayDugger | Time for a smoke test on that monitor. Apply power and see what catches fire. | 01:58 |
| @fenn | i tend to agree with you kanzure, repetition and training beats looking for stuff in terms of sheer speed | 01:59 |
| lichen | JayDugger: nothing happens with power | 01:59 |
| * joshcryer kind of agrees with JayDugger here | 01:59 | |
| JayDugger | Does any part of the monitor get warm with power on? | 01:59 |
| lichen | it just doesnt power on | 02:00 |
| lichen | but ill take a look at it again sometime | 02:00 |
| lichen | would have been easy if the fuse test failed | 02:00 |
| lichen | or if i saw a blown cap | 02:00 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. I meant, with it plugged in and the switch on. | 02:00 |
| lichen | yeah | 02:00 |
| @fenn | probably a shorted cap in the power supply | 02:00 |
| lichen | i didnt really try probing it much with the power on | 02:00 |
| lichen | not fond of being shocked | 02:01 |
| @fenn | if it makes an awful squealing noise, that's the current limiter | 02:01 |
| lichen | hmm | 02:01 |
| lichen | last i tested it, nothing happened | 02:01 |
| lichen | at all | 02:01 |
| lichen | ill try reassembling it soon i guess and try testing it again | 02:01 |
| lichen | took a bunch of deconstruction photos so i wouldnt forget | 02:02 |
| JayDugger | Good choice with the photos. | 02:02 |
| lichen | doesnt mean ill be able to find all the screws | 02:03 |
| lichen | but i think itll be fine | 02:03 |
| lichen | i could use another monitor | 02:03 |
| JayDugger | Oh, tape them near their socket, put them in a paper cup, or replace them in the socket if you can. | 02:03 |
| lichen | though i did recently pick up a nice 24-inch IPS display | 02:03 |
| lichen | yeah i should have done that | 02:04 |
| lichen | but it was a while back | 02:04 |
| lichen | good advice tho | 02:04 |
| @fenn | lichen: your background reminds me of http://deborahyoon.com/ | 02:04 |
| lichen | very pretty, ill have to bookmark it | 02:04 |
| lichen | i dont know where many of my backgrounds are from | 02:04 |
| lichen | mostly harvested from imageboards | 02:05 |
| lichen | but yeah, i got a new 24-inch | 02:05 |
| lichen | with professional quality color calibration | 02:05 |
| lichen | its amazingly pretty | 02:05 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, what will you do with your webkit-inspector-shell? | 02:06 |
| @kanzure | make web development less fucking awful? | 02:09 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. And how do you do incremental switching by window title in xmonad? | 02:10 |
| @kanzure | i just want to use things like stdin and stdout to get information about the state of a page | 02:10 |
| @kanzure | XMonad.Prompt.Window and XMonad.Actions.TagWindows | 02:11 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 02:11 |
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| @kanzure | auto-labeling is a little wrong at the moment i think | 02:11 |
| @kanzure | and i'm not sure if labels are preserved between sessions | 02:11 |
| @kanzure | XMonad.Prompt.Window only searches by exact match to the window title, which is close to useless | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | XMonad.Actions.TagWindows requires you to manually tag windows each time | 02:12 |
| @fenn | what's a session? like when you crash or reboot? | 02:12 |
| joshcryer | If you wanted to make web development less awful you'd invent a new web model. >:P | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | in between xmonad --restart | 02:12 |
| @fenn | man, the "remote debugging port" thing should be standard | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | all of the major browsers use a different standard sadly | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | safari, chrome, phantomjs and the android browser are all based on webkit, so they share that protocol | 02:16 |
| joshcryer | My mind basically cannot grasp how we achieve anything with how convoluted standard implementation is. | 02:16 |
| joshcryer | Nevermind how convoluted standards themselves are (css comes to mind). | 02:16 |
| @kanzure | firefox has its own debugging protocol that doesn't seem to be implemented yet | 02:18 |
| @fenn | sure it does | 02:18 |
| @kanzure | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Remote_Debugging_Protocol | 02:19 |
| @kanzure | https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/protocol/1.0/ | 02:19 |
| @kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/chromedevtools/wiki/WebKitProtocol | 02:19 |
| @fenn | i'm so not clicking on any of those | 02:20 |
| @fenn | "too many tabs" is pretty wonky, but it works, and i can save my sets of tabs as json and shuffle tab sets between browsers at least | 02:21 |
| @fenn | "sets" being very loosely defined as "everything you don't want open right now" | 02:21 |
| @fenn | as there is no way to sort or group anything | 02:22 |
| @kanzure | this is an ok overview http://thecssninja.com/talks/remote_debugging | 02:22 |
| @fenn | i bet i could make a better version of toomanytabs | 02:23 |
| @kanzure | oh god this looks evil http://thecssninja.com/talks/remote_debugging/#aardwolf3-1 | 02:24 |
| @kanzure | yeah toomanytabs is pretty easy to implement i think | 02:24 |
| @kanzure | you should call it notenoughtabs | 02:24 |
| @fenn | lol | 02:25 |
| @fenn | why did you link to this awful powerpoint presentation | 02:25 |
| @kanzure | because he had this in a wiki page somewhere and i remembered the wrong link | 02:26 |
| @kanzure | this is the one where the content is inexplicably strangled into 1,000 slides | 02:26 |
| joshcryer | fenn, do it, I might start using tabs man. | 02:30 |
| @kanzure | sets of tabs as json is pretty nice btw | 02:30 |
| @fenn | hrm | 02:33 |
| @kanzure | xulrunner troubles? | 02:33 |
| @fenn | this is what it looks like when pretty-printed http://fennetic.net/irc/2012_12_22.chrome.yaml | 02:33 |
| @kanzure | gee what a wonderful lack of information | 02:34 |
| @kanzure | what about timestamps or <meta> keywords | 02:34 |
| @kanzure | and where are all of the stored tabs? | 02:34 |
| JayDugger | Don't you get all of those with bookmarks? | 02:34 |
| @fenn | that's the first list, "suspended" | 02:34 |
| @kanzure | "suspended" doesn't include cached copies? | 02:35 |
| @fenn | yes JayDugger in a sense what i'm after is a better way to bookmark stuff | 02:35 |
| JayDugger | Okay, that makes sense. | 02:35 |
| @fenn | bookmarking is very one-at-a-time. i want to be able to open and close entire windows full of tabs | 02:35 |
| @kanzure | 'bookmark all' is an option in chrome under the context menu | 02:36 |
| JayDugger | What he said. | 02:36 |
| @fenn | also there's some kind of inertia behind the idea that bookmarking is for saving especially interesting things long term | 02:36 |
| JayDugger | Okay, a slightly different affordance. | 02:36 |
| @kanzure | - http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Cryonics | 02:37 |
| @kanzure | traitor | 02:37 |
| @fenn | no comment | 02:37 |
| @fenn | chrome was supposed to be mostly empty for testing | 02:38 |
| @fenn | most of my open tabs are in midori or firefox :\ | 02:38 |
| @fenn | JayDugger: i tend to use open tabs as a todo list, or at least a "to look at" list | 02:39 |
| @fenn | if i have to save something to a bookmark and then close it before even looking at it.. how does that work exactly? | 02:39 |
| JayDugger | I haven't got a good solution for that. I've date-stamped bookmarks sets from years ago that form that sort of "to look at" list. | 02:40 |
| JayDugger | I've dumped those into Evernote, which tends to let me search, sort, and delete with more ease than a browser's bookmark tools. | 02:41 |
| @kanzure | evernote is the wrong direction.. you'd have to do lots of reverse engineering it to get it back to friendly formats i think | 02:41 |
| @fenn | that's why they call it evernote :) | 02:42 |
| @fenn | information goes in and stays there forever | 02:42 |
| JayDugger | Evernote has got problems. That's the main one. Another data oubliette, but at least I can do full-text search and outsource the back-ups. | 02:43 |
| JayDugger | And yes, pay for the privilege too. :( | 02:43 |
| @kanzure | why weren't bookmarks ever sent over in bulk on usenet? | 02:43 |
| @kanzure | everything else has been.. photos, binaries, movies, but not bookmarks. | 02:44 |
| @fenn | der, what? please elaborate on the utility of that | 02:44 |
| @kanzure | they always had some crappy formatting in a text file | 02:44 |
| @kanzure | the utiltiy is sharing a subset of currated links? | 02:44 |
| @kanzure | you know, before delicious | 02:44 |
| @fenn | was delicious for sharing? i thought it was just to sync bookmarks across computers/browsers | 02:45 |
| @kanzure | your links and tags were public | 02:45 |
| @fenn | so? | 02:45 |
| @kanzure | isn't that sharing? | 02:45 |
| @kanzure | i guess not | 02:45 |
| @fenn | it helped promote delicious as a business at least | 02:45 |
| @fenn | i dont really get why they shut it down | 02:45 |
| @fenn | "look at this awesome thing, let's buy it! ok now what? well, we're incompetent, so let's shut it down" yay! | 02:46 |
| @kanzure | is pinboard.in still around? that was the hipster alternative that everyone was liking. | 02:46 |
| @fenn | pinterest? | 02:47 |
| @kanzure | no definitely no | 02:47 |
| JayDugger | https://pinboard.in/, yes. | 02:47 |
| JayDugger | "One dude in his underpants somewhere who has five windows open to terminal servers." | 02:48 |
| @kanzure | ah so he has upgraded | 02:48 |
| @fenn | is that supposed to be a lot of windows? | 02:49 |
| @fenn | i don't get it | 02:49 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, for the readers of the Economist, that probably counts as a lot. | 02:50 |
| @fenn | are they saying he's succeeded because he managed to close almost all his windows? | 02:50 |
| JayDugger | Heh. | 02:50 |
| @fenn | the champion of "done", reigning in his underpants with victory cheetos | 02:50 |
| @kanzure | it's sort of dumb that we don't have a communal squid proxy thing caching all of the pages we view | 02:52 |
| @kanzure | or bookmarkbot | 02:52 |
| @fenn | i've been meaning to set up squid myself | 02:54 |
| @fenn | instead of fighting with user-css bookmarklets | 02:54 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 02:57 | |
| juri_ | rest well. | 02:57 |
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| @fenn | is there a standard export format for tagged bookmarks? | 03:28 |
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| @fenn | kewl http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/vocabulary/ | 04:07 |
| @fenn | i guess i dont get the difference between tags and hard links | 04:13 |
| joshcryer | There's not a difference? | 04:16 |
| @fenn | well a tagged bookmark is like a bookmark in multiple folders at once | 04:18 |
| @fenn | so i'm wondering what the "tagcoll" package does exactly, and why not just represent tagged collections as directories with hard linked files | 04:18 |
| joshcryer | Fair enough. | 04:19 |
| JayDugger | How'd you get from exported bookmarks collections to debtags? | 04:22 |
| JayDugger | Not that debtags isn't interesting from an epistemological perspective, but do most people browse by tag? | 04:24 |
| @fenn | i was searching for tools to handle tagged collections | 04:25 |
| @fenn | oddly enough "tagcoll" showed up | 04:25 |
| JayDugger | Oh. Makes sense. | 04:25 |
| @fenn | i've used debtags before when browsing around with synaptic | 04:25 |
| JayDugger | There's my existence proof. | 04:26 |
| JayDugger | or disproof, rather. | 04:26 |
| @fenn | apparently firefox 3 (and other versions?) natively saves tagged bookmarks as .json | 04:26 |
| @fenn | i dont remember ever tagging anything in firefox though | 04:29 |
| JayDugger | I think the old delicious extension would sync FF bookmarks with delicious bookmarks and make the tags match too. I don't know if that still works. | 04:34 |
| JayDugger | The Chrome version's garbage. | 04:34 |
| @fenn | chrome doesnt have tags | 04:35 |
| @fenn | oh but there's "Google Bookmarks" whatever that is | 04:35 |
| @fenn | how is it that www.google.com/boomarks doesn't talk to chrome | 04:36 |
| @fenn | shameful | 04:36 |
| JayDugger | Internal rivalries? | 04:36 |
| @fenn | but it's the same company! | 04:36 |
| JayDugger | I'll spare you tales of co-workers I'd like to see dead. | 04:36 |
| @fenn | oh. i need to sleep | 04:36 |
| @fenn | i guess it's like chrome OS vs android | 04:37 |
| @fenn | but nobody gives a shit about bookmarks | 04:37 |
| @fenn | the only standard is XBEL | 04:38 |
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| jrayhawk | fenn: you probably want polipo for personal disk caching | 09:51 |
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| yash-phone | so xff is a little bizarre | 10:53 |
| @kanzure | elaborate | 11:13 |
| yash-phone | not sure what I can say in public | 11:13 |
| yash-phone | it's fun though, lukas says hi and will stop by more often | 11:14 |
| yash-phone | unless he's here now, I can't really check | 11:14 |
| yash-phone | grinders are a friendly bunch, can't really speak for any other attendees because fuck 'em | 11:16 |
| @kanzure | oh xff the conference. whatever. | 11:17 |
| yash-phone | oh is it probably also a programming | 11:19 |
| yash-phone | also would not use the term 'conference' | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | how did you pick out lukas? | 11:20 |
| yash-phone | pretty easily | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | hahah no i mean.. well alright | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | yash-phone: you might benefit greatly from installing https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.volosyukivan | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | i forgot about your predicament | 11:22 |
| yash-phone | I have a keyboard it's just this | | big | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | this lets you type with a normal keyboard from a computer | 11:24 |
| yash-phone | where would I get one of those | 11:25 |
| @kanzure | a computer? | 11:25 |
| yash-phone | why do you think I'm on my phone | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | because you said so the other day | 11:27 |
| yash-phone | I am, but computers don't grow on trees I mean | 11:27 |
| yash-phone | anyway I must thai | 11:29 |
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| @kanzure | ... yep. | 11:32 |
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| curtiss | hello | 12:04 |
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| juri_ | hio! | 12:33 |
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| @kanzure | huh, the "android atom x86 system image:10" is much faster than the android-x86 tablet image.. boots in three seconds. | 13:31 |
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| eudoxia | so apparently anders sandberg is 40 years old | 14:34 |
| eudoxia | how does he look so young | 14:34 |
| eudoxia | guys i think he figured out all that life extension stuff | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | he uses the same profile picture from 20 years ago | 14:35 |
| @kanzure | look it up. | 14:35 |
| eudoxia | his flickr has a shitload of pretty picturee | 14:36 |
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| @kanzure | cp: not found | 15:07 |
| @kanzure | android :( | 15:07 |
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| @kanzure | http://todotxt.com/ not sure yet. | 17:54 |
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| @kanzure | doesn't seem to do task dependencies, path planning, assignment, or timestamps. | 17:56 |
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| @kanzure | w | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | fdjadklfja | 17:57 |
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| @fenn | jrayhawk: the idea was to use squid to insert an image processing step for converting black on white pages to white on black pages, where appropriate | 18:52 |
| jrayhawk | oh okay | 18:52 |
| jrayhawk | i thought you were solving your complaints about browsers having dumb caching behavior | 18:52 |
| jrayhawk | You can define your own CSS overrides | 18:52 |
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| @fenn | yeah but css doesn't invert "only images with white backgrounds" | 18:54 |
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| @kanzure | you could copy an image to a <canvas>, sample the colors/pixels, then invert if it's wrong. | 19:02 |
| @fenn | heh is yashgaroth getting a magnetic implant? | 19:09 |
| @kanzure | unlikely.. why? | 19:11 |
| @fenn | steve haworth is at xff and offering implant services | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | maybe i should get someone to offer bags of saline for implantation | 19:12 |
| @fenn | ugly bags of mostly water? | 19:15 |
| jrayhawk | that's not a nice thing to call xff attendees | 19:15 |
| @fenn | but it is an accurate description | 19:16 |
| @kanzure | hurry up and finish up the extension so i can use it | 19:17 |
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| * AlonzoTG is playing around with Minecraft. | 20:43 | |
| AlonzoTG | I think I have a server running on 66.92.168.49 ; just don't mess with stuff that it looks like it took me a LONG time to build. | 20:44 |
| AlonzoTG | my little dood is on the top of my house. | 20:45 |
| AlonzoTG | not sure where a guest would spawn though, | 20:45 |
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| @kanzure | "Figure 9. The universal adapter brick." http://fffff.at/files/2012/03/kit_6469_universal_500x333.jpg?e83a2c | 23:37 |
| @fenn | i don't see any USB port | 23:38 |
| @fenn | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/roborant | 23:51 |
| @fenn | evidence for the decline in trace minerals in the american food supply: http://www.mineralresourcesint.com/docs/research/NutritionandMentalHealth.pdf | 23:57 |
| JayDugger | Eat more dirt. | 23:58 |
| @fenn | not all dirt is equal | 23:59 |
| @fenn | i'll stick to the dead sea salts | 23:59 |
| JayDugger | Eat more gourmet, organic, all-natural dirt from local artisans. | 23:59 |
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