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| chido | ...TALENs are my thesis topic, I just found out about a week ago | 01:38 |
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| chido | I always sleep through the most interesting discussions in here, damn | 01:38 |
| @fenn | i dont get it. why are they better than say, zinc finger nuclease? is it just the extra specificity? | 01:54 |
| chido | I only found out about their existence a week ago, so to be honest I don't get it much either so far | 02:11 |
| chido | ask me in a few weeks :) | 02:11 |
| juri_ | kanzure: i valgrind everything thats C, as well. | 02:38 |
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| Zimmeri | how do i go about designing a automotive production facility using KUKA robotics? | 06:03 |
| Zimmeri | can someone give me some leads? i am lost. | 06:03 |
| juri_ | kuka? | 06:07 |
| juri_ | Ive been trying to 3d print automotive parts, but not with much success yet. | 06:07 |
| Zimmeri | yes | 06:09 |
| Zimmeri | KUKA 6 axis robotic arms for | 06:09 |
| Zimmeri | production of... well, anything really | 06:09 |
| Zimmeri | not that it could be built, but one needs a proper business plan in order to raise the funding right? | 06:10 |
| Zimmeri | hahaha | 06:10 |
| Zimmeri | so im trying to make a layout for a facility using KUKA robotics | 06:10 |
| Zimmeri | facility production process.. | 06:10 |
| Zimmeri | from | 06:10 |
| Zimmeri | Process Design & Simulation | 06:11 |
| Zimmeri | process plant layout... | 06:11 |
| Zimmeri | tool& equipment design.. | 06:11 |
| Zimmeri | manufacturing engineering etc etc... | 06:11 |
| Zimmeri | if anyone has an entire automobile production facility design | 06:12 |
| Zimmeri | please share | 06:12 |
| juri_ | hah. ;) | 06:12 |
| juri_ | please share with me, as well. | 06:13 |
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| juri_ | I'm a 3d printer eek, working on 3d printing esoteric materials for automotives (carbon fiber), and working on printing liquids containing cells for organ production. | 06:13 |
| juri_ | s/eek/geek/ | 06:13 |
| Zimmeri | coool | 06:14 |
| Zimmeri | im thinking of mass production assembly line - not just parts of automotives but | 06:14 |
| Zimmeri | from scratch | 06:15 |
| Zimmeri | to the very end processes... | 06:15 |
| Zimmeri | if only i can get hands on assembly plantations design | 06:15 |
| Zimmeri | previously made by someone | 06:15 |
| Zimmeri | i could understand the process of manufacturing much easier | 06:16 |
| juri_ | i can tell you that designs like that are typically done in ansys. | 06:17 |
| juri_ | thats about it. | 06:18 |
| Zimmeri | i see | 06:26 |
| Zimmeri | thanks ill look into it... | 06:26 |
| @fenn | Zimmeri: talk to alex_joni | 06:35 |
| @fenn | you may need to register to use /msg, otherwise join #emc | 06:37 |
| @fenn | he's probably on vacation though, so be patient | 06:39 |
| Zimmeri | oh thank you | 06:41 |
| Zimmeri | who is he? | 06:44 |
| Zimmeri | is he experienced with KUKA machines? | 06:44 |
| @fenn | a kuka licensed training tech in romania, mostly welding applications but he would know about the software for sure | 06:45 |
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| Zimmeri | My gawd, that is a perfect reference thank you. | 06:45 |
| Zimmeri | ! | 06:46 |
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| @fenn | Zimmeri: http://juve.ro/blog/bio | 06:48 |
| @fenn | oh, maybe it was cloos, not kuka | 06:48 |
| @fenn | they are both orange :P | 06:48 |
| Zimmeri | i just want to be clear that - i am making this presentation based on 100 M funding it could be bestowed | 06:50 |
| Zimmeri | of $15 M spent on a different stand-alone facility in just Prototypes & Simulation | 06:50 |
| Zimmeri | $75 M in the mass production assembly line... | 06:50 |
| juri_ | then tell them that automotives as they are are dead; 3d printing and open source iwll kill it in 20 years. | 06:50 |
| Zimmeri | if the investment comes back in 10 years, it doesn't matter whether technology surpasses the investment. | 06:51 |
| Zimmeri | in 20 years. | 06:51 |
| juri_ | good reasoning. | 06:51 |
| Zimmeri | it's about profit right now. | 06:51 |
| Zimmeri | 5M goes toward the dedication of commercialization of the products | 06:52 |
| Zimmeri | just a building - | 06:52 |
| Zimmeri | for networking through politics... | 06:52 |
| @fenn | sales | 06:52 |
| Zimmeri | more like dealing/trading than sales. this route is faster through politics. | 06:52 |
| * fenn goes back to television | 06:52 | |
| Zimmeri | but im not lying :P | 06:53 |
| Zimmeri | im on charge of it. | 06:53 |
| Zimmeri | to make a presentation lol | 06:53 |
| Zimmeri | and recruitment. anyone want to work with me? | 06:53 |
| Zimmeri | feeeeeeennn? | 06:53 |
| juri_ | i'm ready to do anything to advance the cause of free software, free hardware, and freedom in general. ;P | 06:54 |
| Zimmeri | let us free the under-privilegd nations | 06:54 |
| Zimmeri | tee hee hee | 06:54 |
| juri_ | that said, i question your ability to sell something, given your display here on irc. ;) | 06:54 |
| Zimmeri | of their.... lack of | 06:54 |
| Zimmeri | creativity and access to technology | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | what am i trying to sell though? | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | im trying to get something | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | and that is information | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | thats all | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | but im not luring anyone of anything | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | im just asking help~ | 06:55 |
| juri_ | you're trying to sell your idea as worth someones effort, to get the information for you. ;) | 06:55 |
| Zimmeri | and that was indeed a mistake. | 06:56 |
| Zimmeri | lol | 06:56 |
| Zimmeri | why i said i just wanted to learn in the first place | 06:56 |
| @fenn | why don't you just go tour a plant? or talk to the automotive engineering department at just about any university? i'm confused why you're here at all | 06:57 |
| Zimmeri | im at waterloo uni right now | 06:57 |
| Zimmeri | that's my second option | 06:57 |
| Zimmeri | i dont want to move around in this cold. lol | 06:58 |
| @fenn | hah okay | 06:58 |
| Zimmeri | and im hoping i could grab someone to work with in the mechanical engineering field | 06:58 |
| Zimmeri | i've been previously "acquainted" with mr.bishop before here. | 06:58 |
| Zimmeri | but given that he doesn't like people in general, i think he wants to be involved in his own project.s | 06:59 |
| @fenn | i think it's more the realization of the futility of business as usual | 06:59 |
| @fenn | and the ineffectiveness of online communities | 07:00 |
| @fenn | it's a miracle if we can just get documentation written, much less launch a new civilization | 07:00 |
| Zimmeri | indeed, but if i've been previously funded 100M already for a biotech related project in the field of geriatrics, | 07:01 |
| Zimmeri | i think i should be taken seriously. | 07:01 |
| juri_ | matters. did you get anything accomplished? | 07:01 |
| Zimmeri | this is the second phase for me, with helping of development of economy - of a micro nation. | 07:02 |
| Zimmeri | mechanical engineering. :) | 07:02 |
| @fenn | you must be juls, yes? | 07:02 |
| Zimmeri | juls? | 07:03 |
| @fenn | hm, no you don't capitalize your sentences. | 07:03 |
| @fenn | anyway, what was this geriatrics project? i might have heard of it | 07:03 |
| @fenn | at least the general idea would be helpful | 07:04 |
| Zimmeri | stem cells. rejuvenation. regenerative meds. | 07:04 |
| Zimmeri | i cant talk about it. Bryan knows about it, | 07:05 |
| Zimmeri | but for some reason he doesnt want to talk to me. | 07:05 |
| @fenn | there seem to be a lot of people running around with millions in potential investment | 07:06 |
| Zimmeri | probably. | 07:06 |
| Zimmeri | for what purpose i dont know. | 07:06 |
| Zimmeri | fenn what is your - | 07:07 |
| Zimmeri | background. | 07:07 |
| Zimmeri | do you think you can help me in a dedicated manner - with this making of presentation | 07:07 |
| Zimmeri | if so, we can work with you. | 07:07 |
| Zimmeri | im at least allowed to hire one person in the company. | 07:08 |
| Zimmeri | i need this person to be networked/knowledgeable in the field though. | 07:08 |
| @fenn | well, i've never set up a factory if that's what you're asking | 07:08 |
| Zimmeri | it doesnt have to be you, yourself personally. | 07:08 |
| Zimmeri | it's the knowledge to use people surrounding you, or connecting to the places - to get that information completed. | 07:09 |
| Zimmeri | and be able to manage things being able to understand what they are doing, maybe not in a molecular level, but a manageable, directing level. lol | 07:09 |
| Zimmeri | where is bishop anyway | 07:10 |
| @fenn | sleeping | 07:11 |
| Zimmeri | o | 07:11 |
| Zimmeri | i can tell you my projects in detail fenn if you are up for it | 07:12 |
| Zimmeri | in msg. | 07:12 |
| @fenn | sigh. okay. | 07:12 |
| Zimmeri | cool | 07:12 |
| * juri_ sticks her tongue out (and her finger up) at secrecy. :) | 07:33 | |
| @fenn | eh its boring financial stuff | 07:33 |
| * juri_ nods. | 07:34 | |
| juri_ | still, secrets are bad, mmmkay? | 07:34 |
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| eudoxia_ | fenn, where any of the skdb tools like agimme or apkg ever written? | 07:34 |
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| @fenn | no, we did some experiments with generic dependency resolution and graph traversal stuff, but it didnt really go anywhere | 07:36 |
| @fenn | i got distracted with finding/formatting data sources | 07:36 |
| @fenn | specifically what the schema should look like | 07:37 |
| eudoxia_ | kanzure said cad was the main stumbling block | 07:37 |
| @fenn | sort of | 07:38 |
| @fenn | with existing cad tools it's impossible to tie metadata to actual features in the data | 07:38 |
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| @fenn | and thus it's impossible to do any sort of automated reasoning | 07:38 |
| @fenn | like, does tab A fit in slot B | 07:38 |
| eudoxia_ | i thought it was something like that | 07:39 |
| @fenn | but that doesn't tell you if it's possible to manufacture tab A with machine C | 07:39 |
| @fenn | so there's this whole other problem of specifying a machine's parameters, what processes it is capable of, and so on | 07:39 |
| eudoxia_ | so it's not enough with saying machine C can weld, you have to say it can only weld pieces up to x or y made of a or b | 07:41 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/commit/?id=86f56793 fenn: sample wet lab inventory, unformatted | 08:37 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/commit/?id=79076ba6 fenn: dimensions of the two standard containers i use; ideally this would be in a package but here for now | 08:37 |
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| @fenn | how is that nick not registered already | 08:40 |
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| @fenn | aha | 08:41 |
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| Zimmeri | wiat fenn, the OTEC idea, do you think it can be made in a small scale with say $5M to 10M | 08:45 |
| Zimmeri | or less? | 08:45 |
| Zimmeri | to run the KUKA machines hoping for a power source as abundant as you mention | 08:46 |
| Zimmeri | btw, we are building it on an island surrounded by ocean water so | 08:46 |
| Zimmeri | could be useful | 08:50 |
| Zimmeri | ok ill look into that | 08:56 |
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| @kanzure | "meetlog.txt" E514: write error (file system full?) | 09:40 |
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| Zimmeri | wow | 09:52 |
| Zimmeri | i got it. i just need to follow tecnomatix | 09:52 |
| Zimmeri | kanzure, im making a presentation on building a manufacturing plantation to get another 100 million in funding. | 09:53 |
| Zimmeri | with KUKA robotics. | 09:53 |
| Zimmeri | isnt this your area of expertise? | 10:00 |
| Zimmeri | mechanical engineering. | 10:00 |
| Zimmeri | join kanzure. | 10:08 |
| Zimmeri | join me in conquering this world! ahahahaha! | 10:08 |
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| ThomasEgi | Zimmeri, in case you get hands on an army of kuka robots. i'd take a smaller 5-axis machine ;) with controll unit of course | 10:51 |
| Zimmeri | you pay! | 10:54 |
| ThomasEgi | depends on the price | 10:54 |
| Zimmeri | full price + cost of shipping and service and for the honor of meeting me! | 10:55 |
| ThomasEgi | that's lame. in that case i can get them cheaper on ebay | 10:57 |
| Zimmeri | ................ | 11:01 |
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| @kanzure | AgeVivo: welcome back | 12:56 |
| Zimmeri | ....youu dont welcome me back? | 12:58 |
| yashgaroth | did you leave at some point | 12:59 |
| chido | hey :) | 13:02 |
| yashgaroth | heyo | 13:02 |
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| @kanzure | looks like chrome wont be moving back to vertical tabs any time soon http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=100319#c109 | 13:19 |
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| Zimmeri | kanzure! | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | please leave me alone :( | 16:40 |
| @kanzure | it's been two years, please just stop | 16:40 |
| Zimmeri | you dont want to talk to me | 16:40 |
| Zimmeri | but why | 16:40 |
| Zimmeri | i will stop if you give me a sufficient reason | 16:40 |
| Zimmeri | i thought we were at this together - | 16:41 |
| Zimmeri | human enhancement. | 16:41 |
| Zimmeri | sigh... | 16:41 |
| Zimmeri | can't you see im trying my best and actually succeeding? | 16:42 |
| Zimmeri | why don't you help out in that journey - we at same road? | 16:42 |
| Zimmeri | im trying to help you as well, with funding/support - you can become something much higher- | 16:43 |
| Zimmeri | but whats the deal man, is it because all the bullshit stuff we spoke of lol | 16:44 |
| Zimmeri | forget about that, start fresh and be professional. | 16:44 |
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| Zimmeri | if you believe im lying on anything, i can prove every single thing now | 16:46 |
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| Zimmeri | im not related to politics any more particularly so there's no complications anywhere too | 16:48 |
| Zimmeri | sigh... if that is how you feel i guess i have to abide by it | 16:49 |
| Zimmeri | but i dont understand... it doesn't have to be this way. whatever it is we can talk about it. | 16:49 |
| joshcryer | You don't go to kanzure, he comes to you. Go do something fabulous that he'd be interested in and he'd (possibly with reluctance) contact you. | 16:54 |
| ThomasEgi | Zimmeri, you see... "please just stop" is a sufficient reason. it is the polite request and, unless you are a rude person and forcing your way on other people, should grant that request. | 16:54 |
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| @kanzure | "Google does it. They have a team that goes around unplugging network cables and monitoring how fast the engineers can find and fix the problem." | 18:22 |
| tylergillies | #TIL kurzweil works at google | 18:23 |
| @kanzure | tylergillies: please leave reddit out of here | 18:30 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: what? | 18:30 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: i got that info from wikipedia | 18:30 |
| @kanzure | "#TIL" is not from wikipedia. | 18:30 |
| tylergillies | oh | 18:30 |
| yashgaroth | it's some kind of hybrid of reddit and twitter...my god, they're breeding | 18:30 |
| tylergillies | um | 18:31 |
| tylergillies | no? | 18:31 |
| tylergillies | :) | 18:31 |
| yashgaroth | oh whew | 18:31 |
| tylergillies | #TIL #TIL #TIL | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | anyway, we were all really disappointed when that was announced the toher week. | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | *other | 18:31 |
| tylergillies | buuuuurn | 18:31 |
| tylergillies | :) | 18:31 |
| yashgaroth | so it's just some insane memetic engineers, playing at al gore | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | maybe google will be able to convince him to go back to working on projects | 18:32 |
| @kanzure | but i sort of doubt it | 18:32 |
| * tylergillies is watching "transcendant man" right now | 18:32 | |
| @kanzure | why would you do that to yourself? | 18:32 |
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| tylergillies | kanzure: you're mister positive aren't you? :) | 18:32 |
| @kanzure | yes, but not about ray | 18:33 |
| tylergillies | why the hate? | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | his company is a media/news outlet. that's what he does. he goes around giving talks at conferences. his job is self-promotion. | 18:33 |
| tylergillies | everyone has their role to play | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | his transhumanist philosophy is rather weak and doesn't lead to results | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | "let's just wait it out for a 40 years and hope someone solves this problem for me" | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | TSiN was just extropy-chat email archives dumped into a book | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | and his documentary isn't highly informative.. i don't know what you're expecting to get out of it. | 18:36 |
| tylergillies | entertainment? | 18:37 |
| tylergillies | :) | 18:37 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: you know amber case and max ogden? | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | i met max 2012-06-19 | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | and amber i met 2010-11-15 | 18:38 |
| tylergillies | cool. they are pretty good friends of mine :) | 18:38 |
| yashgaroth | oh yeah I remember max ogden | 18:38 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: how do you remember the date? | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | tylergillies: quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | aaack | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | the shame! the terrible shame that i can't type a url properly. | 18:39 |
| tylergillies | kanzure: holy shit thats awesome | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | i figured i should keep track of who i meet and what we talk about because maybe it's not completely boring | 18:39 |
| tylergillies | from a business/networking perspective thats brilliant | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | the original motivation was because i had trouble multiplexing ideas from multiple conversations | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | i think i forgot to tell mom that i was traveling once and it just didn't occur to me until i had left | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | and other such things. | 18:41 |
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| @kanzure | oh geeze, steve coles (grg.org) has been diagnosed with "adenocarcinoma of the head of the pancreas" | 18:44 |
| Zimmeri | alright kanzure, i'll leave you alone. | 18:50 |
| Zimmeri | but im still going to hang around the channel | 18:50 |
| Zimmeri | plz dont get in my way of networking w/ other individuals though | 18:54 |
| Zimmeri | remember, we talked about some really immoral things before but that's really just a fantasy ok? dont bother yourself on the reflection of it or toward to me because of that... | 18:55 |
| * tylergillies is now interested in what Zimmeri is talking about | 18:57 | |
| tylergillies | wow theres this magical phenonenon that happens on facebook, where i have 67 mutual friends with someone and i don't even know who they are | 18:58 |
| Zimmeri | despite your choice, i thank you for many things we've discussed and i wish you success. | 19:03 |
| tylergillies | i said that to my boss when i got fired | 19:04 |
| tylergillies | he died of cancer 3 years later | 19:04 |
| tylergillies | treu story | 19:04 |
| tylergillies | true* | 19:04 |
| yashgaroth | lol pwned | 19:04 |
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| erasmus | ciao a tutti | 19:24 |
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| @kanzure | User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | Host: www.sciencedirect.com | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | guys gnusha's proxy doesn't give you access to sciencedirect | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | don't bother trying :p | 21:29 |
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| joshcryer | Wonder what the license fee for that would be. | 22:22 |
| JayDugger | tylergillies, that's awesome. | 22:25 |
| @fenn | how is someone dying of cancer awesome? | 22:35 |
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| strangewarp | something something Power Word: Death something something social fantasy | 22:46 |
| joshcryer | Who cares when shitty people die. | 22:50 |
| joshcryer | See: Steve Jobs. | 22:50 |
| erasmus | ouch | 23:09 |
| erasmus | he was a terrible person. | 23:09 |
| erasmus | hurt so many people. | 23:09 |
| erasmus | parked in handicapped spots all the time | 23:09 |
| erasmus | didn't think he needed to have license plates. | 23:09 |
| erasmus | that the rules didn't apply to him | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | fenn, I suspect you've a fundamentally better nature than I do. | 23:10 |
| JayDugger | Or a more honest and competent set of co-workers. | 23:11 |
| JayDugger | As strangewarp points out, I'll admit that's mostly fantasy. | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | but I admit to a quick burst of schadenfreude every time I see certain co-workers doing something bad for their health. | 23:13 |
| @fenn | well, parking in handicapped spots is hardly a crime worthy of the death sentence | 23:15 |
| @fenn | damning someone because "he broke the rules" is not the most progressive philosophy either | 23:16 |
| @fenn | and by the time he died, you were no longer being held back by him anyway | 23:17 |
| @fenn | "who cares when shitty people die" is doing nothing to make the world better.. "shitty people" are born (or taught to be that way) at approximately the same rate as they die | 23:19 |
| @fenn | my research on nutrition indicates that a large proportion of destructive behavior is a result of, essentially, birth defects due to malnutrition | 23:24 |
| @fenn | on the plus side, it might be possible to correct them to some degree | 23:25 |
| @fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy seems relevant here | 23:29 |
| @fenn | joshcryer: you claim to be interested in lesswrong but i see no evidence of any attempt to apply rationality to yourself | 23:29 |
| joshcryer | I'm irrational. | 23:34 |
| @kanzure | huh? joshcryer hasn't claimed to be interested in rationality, just maybe that website. | 23:35 |
| joshcryer | After the Ayn Rand thing I've lost all interest in that shitty website. | 23:36 |
| @kanzure | neat. | 23:36 |
| @kanzure | as far as i know, that's 50% of my target goal for you | 23:36 |
| joshcryer | It's your fault, I only went there because of the controversies you would talk about. I like drama. BTW, I'm irrational. | 23:37 |
| erasmus | you said that already. | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | maybe he's on repeat | 23:39 |
| erasmus | stuck in a loop perhaps. | 23:40 |
| joshcryer | Eh, people would say drama is irrational, just wanted to subvert it. | 23:42 |
| erasmus | Melancholia was a good movie | 23:42 |
| erasmus | isn't it fun to pretend we are all super smart. | 23:42 |
| erasmus | brilliant but socially inept | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | no it's not fun to pretend that | 23:42 |
| erasmus | but perhaps it's the really smart ones who know the truth. | 23:43 |
| erasmus | that impressing people on irc will get you nowhere. | 23:43 |
| joshcryer | I like to do a reality check on a regular basis and dumb myself down that way if I succeed at something I surprise myself. | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | erasmus: who are you trying to impress? | 23:43 |
| erasmus | kanzure I validate only myself. | 23:44 |
| erasmus | I impress no one. | 23:44 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand why you would bring it up then | 23:44 |
| erasmus | and if I do it's only by accent. | 23:44 |
| erasmus | accident* | 23:44 |
| erasmus | bring what up? | 23:44 |
| erasmus | making the point of proving how useless these debates are? | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | what debates? | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | wtf man? | 23:45 |
| erasmus | these disagreements | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | what disagreements? | 23:45 |
| erasmus | quarrels. | 23:45 |
| erasmus | drama. | 23:46 |
| @fenn | i might have grazed the 'no philosophy' rule, but it was something that had to be said | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | i am having an exceedingly hard time understanding you. can you take your drama somewhere else maybe? | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | fenn, for what it's worth I simply see no motivation in expending thought on shitty people, but I would agree they have their own little shitty value to them. | 23:48 |
| erasmus | drama? | 23:49 |
| erasmus | what drama? | 23:49 |
| @fenn | erasmus: if you have nothing to say but criticisms of the medium itself, take it to a different medium (not here) | 23:59 |
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