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| wrldpc | From what I heard about Armstrong no one will get the awards. They will simply list no winner for those years. | 01:00 |
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| @kanzure | that's neat. | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | that means that someone can come along and create a judging committee to award something for those years since all of the top competitors already competed | 01:06 |
| @kanzure | i suppose it's not as exciting to announce the results of a competition in retrospect, though.. | 01:07 |
| bkero | sup doodz | 01:08 |
| @kanzure | they were all doping anyway, so i don't imagine it would be a stretch to convince them that a competition where doping is allowed would be okay | 01:08 |
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| @fenn | woah. "exposure to Mycobacterium vaccae may work as an antidepressant because it stimulates the generation of serotonin and norepinephrine in the brain.[4][5] More specifically, it induces the neurogenesis of neurons that produce those two compounds." | 05:46 |
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| @fenn | i wonder if this is the jonah lehrer effect again | 05:49 |
| @fenn | there seems to be a patent on the effect | 06:19 |
| @fenn | "the present inventors have also discovered that preparations of Mycobacteria such as M. vaccae can activate specific areas of the brain using previously unknown neural pathways. These novel pathways relay signals of inflammation from the periphery to highly selective areas of the brain. ... Afferent nerves stimulated by methods according to the present invention may be associated with the vagus | 06:21 |
| @fenn | nerve, the dorsal root ganglia or other neural pathway." | 06:21 |
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| @fenn | there's a lot of neuroanatomy stuff here i don't know enough about to say whether it's important or not | 06:28 |
| @fenn | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2003/0170275.html | 06:28 |
| @fenn | same patent, different viewer http://www.google.com/patents?id=cLaFAAAAEBAJ&dq=%22Treatment+of+conditions+of+the+central+nervous+system+using+mycobacteria%22 | 06:31 |
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| @fenn | too bad there's no peer reviewed scientific article | 06:34 |
| @fenn | nice picture of a dorsal root ganglion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DRG_Chicken_e7.jpg | 06:44 |
| chido | thanks for a nice desktop background :) | 06:45 |
| @fenn | my current desktop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctic_krill_(Euphausia_superba).jpg | 06:48 |
| chido | aaaw now I can't decide... but I like b/w images | 06:49 |
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| chido | I had this for months now http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/092/5/a/winter_delay_by_kvasilchuk-d4urdly.jpg | 06:51 |
| @fenn | cool i should have read the image caption before, it's from this http://www.ecoscope.com/krill/index.htm | 06:52 |
| @fenn | nice photo, but i wish it were shooting lightning bolts | 06:52 |
| chido | I just imagine it does | 06:53 |
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| @fenn | wow that "virtual microscope" goes all the way down to the single cell level (at least in the eye) | 06:57 |
| @fenn | http://www.ecoscope.com/ocean/index.htm | 07:00 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how do i change the last commit comment for a certain file? | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | git commit --ammend | 12:38 |
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| @kanzure | uh except imagine i can spell | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | --amend | 12:39 |
| nmz787 | thx | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | but uhh, how do I know what is in the git repo? | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | git status | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | i have the code directory autocommitting | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | this is a good time to experiment with squishing commits together | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | but in the autocommit script i also rm -f *.o | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | git rebase --interactive | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | but i think git is picking up the o files | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | echo "*.o" >> .gitignore | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | git add .gitignore | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | this makes git ignore your .o files and not commit them | 12:42 |
| brownies | um | 12:43 |
| brownies | i would not recommend beginners to experiment with rebase, tbh. | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | he's doing something crazy | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | he wrote some script to monitor changes to his directory | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | and he autocommits each time a file is changed | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | so he has tons of useless commits | 12:43 |
| nmz787 | how would i ignore all .o files? | 12:43 |
| brownies | good god why? | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | git rebase --interactive lets him squish commits together | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | brownies: no fucking clue dude | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | since i'm using git add --all | 12:44 |
| brownies | hahah | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: echo "*.o" >> .gitignore | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | everytime it autocommits | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | git add respects .gitignore rules | 12:44 |
| brownies | the real advice is to stop autocommitting. | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | ok | 12:45 |
| nmz787 | thanks | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | brownies: yes, we were talking about this yesterday. i can't figure out why he wants to autocommit. | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | so i dont have to gid add .gitignore | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | everytime i autocommit? | 12:46 |
| brownies | just once. | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | actually you don't have to add .gitignore ever | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | so i dont add it or not? | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | but if you want other people who clone your repository to have the same .gitignore.. then you have to add it. | 12:46 |
| brownies | set aside the pedantry and just add it. | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | (that includes yourself) | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | when you add a file that just means that it will appear in the next commit | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | so she typed git add .git ignore | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | do i have to remove .git somehow? | 12:47 |
| * brownies facepalms | 12:47 | |
| @kanzure | git reset --hard HEAD^ | 12:48 |
| brownies | haha | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | right? | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | wtf does that do? | 12:48 |
| brownies | could just do HEAD and not HEAD^ i'm pretty sure. | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | btw since you're already autocommitting i bet .gitignore is already in the logs -_- | 12:48 |
| brownies | HEAD^ might be one too far. | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | no, HEAD is your current commit. | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | HEAD^ gets you back to the previous one. | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | oh you're right sorry | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | why do i need to do that? | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | .git doesnt exist | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | so would add even have worked? | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | you mean you're not in a git repository? | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | ls -la | 12:49 |
| brownies | well there's HEAD and staging area, so he just needs to go back to HEAD | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | do you see .git? | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | ok i did the reset | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | yeah .git dir was there | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | check "git status" to see if things look okay | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | yeah nothing to commit | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | so now i should rebase? | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | ls -la to check if .gitignore is there | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | i re-echoed it | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | and then said git add .gitignore | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | git commit and type a fancy commit message about how much you like .gitignore | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | then you will start your journey of learning about git rebase --interactive | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | nothing to commit | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | it must have autocommitted | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | :P | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | ok i bet your autocommitter autocommitted | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | so can't i just type git remove .git | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | ? | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | to make sure | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | it isn't being versioned | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | ? | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | .git is not being versioned, you're fine. git is smarter than that. | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | can i just delete .git and then say git init? | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | no that would delete all of your commit history | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | it's fine the way it is | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | well would it make sure it's not broken in the future tho | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | the code is working now | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | it's not broken, we already confirmed that | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | well i may have needed to go back several revisions | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | you said HEAD^ | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | but i may have needed to go bac one more | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | since there was git add .git ignore | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | then i think git add .gitignore | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | git add .git ignore did nothing | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | then i issued git --hard HEAD^ | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | i was just worrying unnecessarily | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | ok | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | fine | 12:56 |
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| nmz787 | rebase says it needs a branch | 12:57 |
| brownies | see how many bad things happen when you autocommit -_- | 12:58 |
| nmz787 | :D | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | git rebase --interactive master | 12:58 |
| nmz787 | see how bad things happen when the software doesn't autocommit as a feature | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | also if you don't have a favorite editor setup you will probably be thrown into nano | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | if you don't want nano then you should set your eidtor | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | export EDITOR="vim" | 12:59 |
| nmz787 | so its aksing me for a command | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | what? | 12:59 |
| nmz787 | s for squahs? | 13:00 |
| nmz787 | squash | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | https://help.github.com/articles/interactive-rebase | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | squash = use commit, but meld into previous commit | 13:00 |
| nmz787 | thats what i should use? | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | squash will merge multiple autocommits into a single commit | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | this is handy for cleaning up your version history and making it more meaningful to yourself/readers | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | ok | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | i see, i could have said HEAD~50 to dothe last 50 commits | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | but master will do all? | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | master will let you choose all | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | but you might only change one or two lines, it's up to you | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | iirc at the very bottom of the file there should be an explanation | 13:03 |
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| @fenn | vim-like mplayer interface to youtube etc: https://github.com/intnull/videotop | 13:10 |
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| @kanzure | "Lipitor for high cholesterol ($1,500 a year), Zyprexa for schizophrenia ($7,000 a year) or Avastin for cancer ($50,000 a year)" | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | hmmm | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | "Alexion Pharmaceutical's Soliris, at $409,500 a year, is the world's single most expensive drug. This monoclonal antibody drug treats a rare disorder in which the immune system destroys red blood cells at night. The disorder, paroxysymal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (PNH), hits 8,000 Americans." | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | so uh.. a monoclonal antibody is pretty easy to make in the scheme of things (compared to other crazy drugs). | 14:04 |
| yashgaroth | compared to non-antibody protein drugs | 14:05 |
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| @kanzure | it could be a clinic called "Last Resort" | 14:06 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: you think you could replicate that antibody work for <$100k? | 14:07 |
| yashgaroth | sure, but everyone on soliris gets it via insurance anyway | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | huh? not everyone has insurance. | 14:08 |
| yashgaroth | yeah but then they die | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | and government assistance usually takes a while to get coverage (or maybe not? maybe there's an accelerated processing thing) | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | i mean, in the 3 months that it takes to get government assistance for the $1000/day drug, surely you'd rpobably die? | 14:09 |
| @kanzure | R. Pobably | 14:09 |
| yashgaroth | alexion's entire staff nowadays is sales reps who hunt down people with the disorder and get them coverage | 14:09 |
| yashgaroth | and people finding ways to spend their piles of cash | 14:09 |
| @kanzure | ah so people without coverage are not dying | 14:09 |
| @kanzure | find me a drug where uncovered people would die before the govt accepts their application | 14:09 |
| yashgaroth | well there's also whether people in other countries have access to soliris, or whether it's even approved there | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | i doubt there's diagnostics where it matters | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | "oh obviously you need soliris" | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | says the man wearing only one leaf... | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | ok i guess it's not fair to assume non-US docs are underinformed | 14:11 |
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| @kanzure | oh right the pharma companies usually offer assistance | 14:12 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand the 'hunt them down and get them coverage' thing.. why would an insurance company accept a $300k/year cost? | 14:12 |
| yashgaroth | because that's what insurance is for | 14:12 |
| yashgaroth | hemophiliacs have a similarly insane yearly cost, and there's a lot more of them | 14:13 |
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| @kanzure | maybe i don't understand insurance then | 14:13 |
| @kanzure | regardless of the upcoming 2014 pre-existing condition changes, | 14:14 |
| @kanzure | an insurance company can't reject a hemophiliac at the moment? | 14:14 |
| yashgaroth | not until they require genome sequencing upon enrollment in 1-3 years | 14:14 |
| yashgaroth | don't ask me on specifics, I don't even have health insurance | 14:14 |
| @kanzure | you might want to consider it | 14:15 |
| yashgaroth | surely my company will provide it in a few months :/ | 14:15 |
| yashgaroth | I think that 400k pricetag is similar to adderall - they cut discounts for insurance companies and hardship cases, very few actually pay full price | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | i have health insurance but i pay full price for adderall anyway | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | it's worth it and i earn 100x more income usingi t | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | *using it | 14:16 |
| yashgaroth | heh fair enough | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | patient assistance programs by manufacturers is weird. "we'll give it to you for free but eventually we'll stop providing it" | 14:26 |
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| brownies | so | 15:44 |
| brownies | when all these manufacturing/hardware startups say "we need $X0,000 for tooling and setup" | 15:44 |
| brownies | what the hell is "tooling and setup" ? | 15:44 |
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| -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-q Zimmerian!*@*] by kanzure | 15:46 | |
| @kanzure | this looks sorta useless but maybe it will help http://www.toolingu.com/definition-950140-54648-tooling-cost.html | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | "tooling cost: The cost to buy or build new tools or to revise older tools to make a specific product. This can be a direct or indirect cost, though most companies view it as indirect." | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | i mean, pretty standard definition. | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | here's some examples from forging.. https://www.forging.org/design/332-tooling-costs | 15:50 |
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| brownies | intriguing. that forging look is useful. | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | i don't actually know how maintenance gets factored into the accounting | 16:01 |
| @kanzure | but you don't usually run the tools into the ground because your production line would stop.. | 16:01 |
| brownies | presumably you'd stop long before you run the tools into the ground, because the output would start to vary outside your error tolerance | 16:04 |
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| DoYouKnow | anyone here ever succeed in growing brazil nuts in an exported country? | 17:33 |
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| DoYouKnow | I'm trying to figure out the best place to buy fresh brazil nuts that are still viable | 17:34 |
| DoYouKnow | I'm looking at this page: http://www.ehow.com/how_6457521_germinate-brazil-nuts.html | 17:38 |
| DoYouKnow | based on all the similar pages on ehow that seem to contradict, I'm wondering about its legitimacy | 17:39 |
| DoYouKnow | and other pages elsewhere | 17:39 |
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| DoYouKnow | as I understand it, it's hit or miss with them | 17:51 |
| DoYouKnow | I don't know of any resources on the topic... if there's a way to calculate the percentage of viability based on x days dry and out of the fruit, I'd be interested in hearing it | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | ehh.. http://genomealberta.ca/livestock/farmer-to-biohackers-want-to-team-up.aspx | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | "Cruver, while proudly seeking organic status for his first offshore shellfish farm in federal waters, is open to suggestions from biohackers on how to improve shellfish farming further in a completely green, socially responsible, and profitable way." | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand what this has to do with biohackers.. why doesn't he just ask for employees? | 17:58 |
| DoYouKnow | kanzure: why does everything have to be so black and white with you? | 18:01 |
| DoYouKnow | how old are you btw? | 18:02 |
| @kanzure | what's black and white | 18:02 |
| @kanzure | i am old enough | 18:02 |
| DoYouKnow | those employed are employees | 18:02 |
| @kanzure | so basically he wants free labor | 18:04 |
| DoYouKnow | fuck the NRA | 18:04 |
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| @kanzure | error: [Errno 98] Address already in use | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | netstat -apn | grep 8081 | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | i don't see it. any ideas? | 22:12 |
| jrayhawk | it's possible that's my fault. which server? | 22:13 |
| bkero | kanzure: sudo netstat | 22:13 |
| bkero | also grep tproxy | 22:13 |
| bkero | grep 8081 /etc/services ;) | 22:13 |
| jrayhawk | n takes care of that | 22:13 |
| jrayhawk | and sudo is only useful for p | 22:13 |
| jrayhawk | which is technically optional | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | the only 80xx service running was adb which was on a separate port | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: localhost, definitely not your problem | 22:14 |
| jrayhawk | Sounds scary. | 22:15 |
| @kanzure | urllib3 runs some unit tests that start up a server | 22:15 |
| @kanzure | and for some reason i can't run the unit tests after the umpteenth time | 22:15 |
| @kanzure | i tried changing the port it asks for but i get the same error | 22:15 |
| jrayhawk | strace -fe bind,close,listen,getsockname | 22:20 |
| jrayhawk | it might be racing | 22:21 |
| @kanzure | futex(0x8e11a88, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 0, NULL) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) | 22:21 |
| @kanzure | bind(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) | 22:21 |
| @kanzure | huh? where did 18080 come from. | 22:21 |
| jrayhawk | I guess you could add ,connect to that strace for the hell of it | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1481453/ | 22:24 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl -vvv http://paste.ubuntu.com/1481453/plain/ | 22:27 |
| jrayhawk | > GET /1481453/plain/ HTTP/1.1 | 22:27 |
| jrayhawk | < HTTP/1.1 302 Found | 22:27 |
| jrayhawk | < Location: http://paste.ubuntu.com/openid/login?next=/1481453/plain/ | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | well that looks evil | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | why can't pastebinit choose a more sane default pastebin | 22:28 |
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| jrayhawk | alias pastebinit='ssh gnusha.org bash -c \"cat \> \$\(mktemp --tmpdir=/home/bryan/public_html/irc/ paste-XXXXXXXX.txt\)\"' | 22:37 |
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| @kanzure | haha | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | well i was trying to install /etc/pastebin.d/gist.github.conf | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | but it turns out that doesn't work | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | and nobody has bothered to backport pastebinit updates to whatever release of debian thisi s | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | *this is | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | then i got annoyed at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/pastebinit/dev-arbitrary-dest/revision/69#pastebin.d/gist.github.com.conf because launchpad is a billion times worse than sourceforge (why would i want to select line numbers when copying? and why would i want a valid Content-Type instead of the plaintext of a file?) | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: http://pastie.org/5600866 | 22:39 |
| jrayhawk | shouldn't it be doing the connect *after* the bind and listen? | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | in python land things don't have to make sense | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | and http can be molested however you want | 22:44 |
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| jrayhawk | hmm. well, not seeing anything obvious, but sockets might be getting passed around under a different system call | 22:54 |
| jrayhawk | alternatively, your userspace isn't privileged with full /proc/net/tcp(|6) output, suggesting network namespaces/openvz/vserver or a rootkit | 22:58 |
| jrayhawk | i think unhide can bruteforce tcp and pids | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | haven't checked for rootkits in a while | 22:58 |
| jrayhawk | but more likely the unit tests are just racy | 22:59 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no i was just looking at the wrong thing. 1180 and 1181 interfere with eachother. | 23:03 |
| jrayhawk | hurf durf | 23:03 |
| jrayhawk | so yeah, just rerun that strace without the -e filter and you can work out what the last two processes are. | 23:04 |
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| @kanzure | i only see: read(10, "pyRH\0\0\0\324\0\0\0s4\0\0\0\6\1\t\6\t\4\6\2\t\16\t\v\t\6\t\6"..., 4096) = 1180 | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | nothing about 1181 | 23:14 |
| jrayhawk | [pid 1180] bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0 | 23:15 |
| jrayhawk | [pid 1181] bind(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | oops didn't know you were looking at a pid, of course it will be different | 23:16 |
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