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archbox | L-tryptophan | 00:00 |
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xx | I'll see what the shrink makes up after i see her. | 00:00 |
archbox | brownies: 5-HTP is a 5-HT precursor not dopamine | 00:00 |
brownies | archbox: yes, 5-HTP is a precursor in serotonin production; that's why i said "that other one that's a dopamine precursor" because dopamine plays a similar role | 00:00 |
archbox | I don't recommend 5-HTP because peripherally it can cause damage. Stick to tryptophan imo. safer, at least | 00:00 |
brownies | synthesize ALL the neurotransmitters! | 00:01 |
archbox | ohhhhhhh, thanks | 00:01 |
archbox | :D | 00:01 |
xx | 5 htp does something to your heart if im not mistaken. google it | 00:01 |
archbox | DL-phenylalanine, brownies | 00:01 |
archbox | xx: correct | 00:01 |
brownies | this is the first i'm hearing of such claims of harmfulness around 5-HTP or L-Dopa... | 00:01 |
brownies | i don't supplement with them, but i thought they were on the "relatively harmless" side of the spectrum | 00:01 |
xx | effexor probably does horrid shit too. but meh, i have no fucks to give | 00:01 |
archbox | if you take carbidopa with 5-HTP it might prevent peripheral buildup and save your heart | 00:01 |
brownies | ahh right i'd read about this. | 00:02 |
archbox | xx: just take some aspartame | 00:02 |
brownies | you need to take 5-HTP with something else, so that it crosses the blood-brain barrier instead of accumulating in your heart/organs/etc. | 00:02 |
brownies | naturally, i've forgotten what that magic other thing is. | 00:02 |
archbox | carbidopa | 00:02 |
xx | archbox: how effective is it ? is it like inositol effectiveness? | 00:02 |
archbox | take levodopa carbidopa and 5HTP you will become god | 00:02 |
archbox | xx: aspartame? no | 00:02 |
xx | dose? | 00:03 |
xx | price? | 00:03 |
archbox | I take 500mg DLPA | 00:03 |
archbox | it's cheap | 00:03 |
archbox | >Phenylalanine is a precursor for tyrosine, the monoamine signaling molecules dopamine, norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and epinephrine (adrenaline), and the skin pigment melanin. | 00:03 |
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xx | let's become black uguise | 00:03 |
archbox | http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine/?NttSR=1 | 00:03 |
archbox | this one has a BOGO special: http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine-500-mg-60-capsules-1/?NttSR=1 | 00:04 |
xx | is it really effective ? | 00:04 |
brownies | my 2cents is that one should not go bargain-hunting for nootropics =P | 00:04 |
archbox | brownies: it's just amino acidz | 00:04 |
xx | they are all the same... | 00:04 |
archbox | which = proteins = gainz | 00:04 |
archbox | peptides are just proteins. Let's make peptide shakes | 00:05 |
xx | i already take some taurine and beta alanine | 00:05 |
archbox | any1 tried DSIP? | 00:05 |
brownies | archbox: EGCG | 00:05 |
archbox | brownies: green tea catechins?? | 00:05 |
xx | is that why high protein diets are good for depression? | 00:05 |
archbox | i take 800mg daily | 00:05 |
brownies | archbox: taking EGCG with your 5-HTP inhibits the thing that converts the 5-HTP into 5-HT outside of your brain | 00:05 |
archbox | xx: yes and because it tastes good | 00:05 |
archbox | brownies: wow | 00:05 |
brownies | archbox: that was on our earlier thread... EGCG was what i was thinking of to complement 5HTP | 00:06 |
archbox | ohhh | 00:06 |
archbox | xx: this suggests not using beeta alanine and taurine: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54028-treating-anxiety-safely-effectively/ | 00:06 |
archbox | longecity so take with a grain of salt | 00:06 |
xx | why ? | 00:06 |
archbox | something about GABA something | 00:06 |
brownies | but, yeah, i hear EGCG is pretty cool by itself too. | 00:06 |
archbox | It does appear that BETA-ALANINE is also a GABA RECEPTOR AGONIST - see this study for example: Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. | 00:06 |
xx | I'm so tired of trying different things. I wish i could find something that works. | 00:07 |
archbox | :< | 00:07 |
xx | like just a magic pill . boom. happeh. forevar | 00:07 |
archbox | how was inositol? | 00:07 |
archbox | try aniracetam | 00:07 |
xx | shiet | 00:07 |
archbox | it works great for me | 00:07 |
archbox | i take | 00:07 |
archbox | 50mg inositol | 00:07 |
brownies | this is going to sound pretty radical | 00:07 |
brownies | but have you tried diet, exercise, and sleep? | 00:07 |
xx | T_T | 00:08 |
xx | I stopped smoking , 8th month, took commutting, i am vegan (my diet is primarly veggies) and i sleep | 00:08 |
archbox | brownies: where can i get pills for those | 00:08 |
archbox | or a bulk powder, if that's cheaper | 00:08 |
brownies | heh | 00:08 |
archbox | http://www.healthsupplementwholesalers.com/products/melatonin | 00:08 |
xx | when im on my down phase though, no force in the universe can stop me from sabotaging all the progress i made | 00:08 |
archbox | 1000mg for under $3 bulk | 00:09 |
brownies | xx: nice start! now get daily sunlight and tackle your diet. | 00:09 |
archbox | and get some modafinil | 00:09 |
archbox | (from your doctor if your doctor approves) | 00:09 |
xx | yeah ill see what she ll give | 00:09 |
xx | I really just want a stable mood. im sick and tired of cycling. | 00:10 |
xx | 2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat | 00:10 |
archbox | tell her you are afraid of all antidepressants but tell her that moda is going into phase III trials for depression and moda is neuroprotective | 00:10 |
@fenn | xx: selenium and magnesium are your friends | 00:11 |
xx | i'll tell her exactly that archbox | 00:11 |
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archbox | fenn: what upper limit for magnesium do you recommend for anxiety? | 00:11 |
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archbox | i took 200mcg selenium and 4x133mg magnesium glycinate chelate tonight | 00:12 |
@kanzure | paperbot: .fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. | 00:12 |
@kanzure | erm.. | 00:12 |
@kanzure | .fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. | 00:12 |
paperbot | trying to fetch the paper... | 00:12 |
@fenn | o rly | 00:12 |
archbox | man i love taking pills | 00:13 |
@fenn | .fetch doi: 10.1080/00365520500235334 | 00:13 |
paperbot | trying to fetch the paper... | 00:13 |
archbox | 'night everyone | 00:13 |
@kanzure | paperbot: fucking work already | 00:13 |
@kanzure | fdjkalfkjdkafjakda | 00:13 |
xx | You know , I hear you all talking about supplements and that it works for you. but I'd like to hear of somoene who has been diagnosed with major depressive disorder's point of view. Supplementations vs Drugs | 00:13 |
@fenn | .fetch Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006, Vol. 41, No. 4 : Pages 408-419 | 00:13 |
paperbot | trying to fetch the paper... | 00:13 |
@kanzure | fenn: it's borked | 00:13 |
@kanzure | sorry to have gotten your hopes up | 00:13 |
archbox | rip paperbot | 00:13 |
@fenn | xx: which is it, major depressive or bipolar? they're not the same thing | 00:13 |
xx | who said im bipolar? | 00:14 |
brownies | yeah that is hugely different | 00:14 |
@fenn | "2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat" basic symptoms of bipoar disorder | 00:14 |
xx | oh. | 00:14 |
xx | well maybe i am bipolar. | 00:14 |
xx | last diagnosis was when i was 15: doctor said i had major depressive disorder | 00:15 |
xx | psychotherapy for 5 years: 800 mg lithium + prozac + 3rd drug | 00:15 |
@fenn | common misdiagnosis; doctor only sees you when you're on the down swing | 00:15 |
@fenn | oh if they gave you lithium they knew you were bipolar | 00:15 |
@fenn | anyway, i see lithium as a poor substitute for magnesium | 00:15 |
@kanzure | google scholar is terrible at resolving "doi: 10.1080/00365520500235334" | 00:15 |
xx | i dont think so. | 00:15 |
brownies | you could just put in the DOI URL -_- | 00:16 |
xx | scratch that i stopped the psychotherapy when i got 18. | 00:16 |
xx | so it was only 3 years | 00:16 |
xx | i dk why its 5 in my head. | 00:16 |
@fenn | well i forgot what causes bipolar, sorry | 00:17 |
@fenn | past my bedtime | 00:17 |
@kanzure | brownies: true, but it would be nice if google scholar was smart enough to resolve citations | 00:17 |
brownies | kanzure: i suppose so | 00:18 |
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@fenn | archbox: 600mg is okay, i don't know what the upper limit is | 00:19 |
@kanzure | 17 MB/sec to ftp.mozilla.org | 00:21 |
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@fenn | xx: http://autoimmunethyroid.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/gaba-and-diy-for-bipolar-disorder/ and possibly ketamine | 00:32 |
@fenn | she's sensitive to amines such as tyramine, which is confusing because she presents it as if everyone else is also sensitive to amines | 00:33 |
JayDugger | ketamine: for bipolar disorder? | 00:34 |
@fenn | i don't think tomato and broccoli are a problem | 00:34 |
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@fenn | JayDugger: xx http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120530/10085/ketamin-bipolar-disorder-depression.htm depression symptoms significantly improved within 40 minutes, and remained improved over 3 days. | 00:35 |
@fenn | "ketamine is classified as an NMDA receptor antagonist." and so is magnesium, so that's why i recommend magnesium | 00:36 |
@fenn | and yes i know ketamine does a bunch of other stuff | 00:37 |
@fenn | and you will pee your pants and have a heart attack and turn into a total loser | 00:38 |
JayDugger | That rather understates its potence. | 00:38 |
@fenn | hehe "psychotomimetic phenomenon" | 00:39 |
JayDugger | Yeah, let's go with that euphemism. | 00:39 |
@kanzure | fyi i am upgrading things on gnusha so let me know if your favorite packages go poof | 00:44 |
@kanzure | so far libsdl1.2-dev went poof | 00:44 |
@kanzure | "Preparing to replace g++ 4:4.5.2-2 (using .../g++_4%3a4.7.2-1_i386.deb) " | 00:45 |
@kanzure | wonder how %3 got in there | 00:45 |
@kanzure | ":" | 00:45 |
Undine | what is gnusha? | 00:52 |
@kanzure | it's a monkey creature that provides open source hardware and dependency resolution | 00:55 |
@kanzure | $ ls -l xpcshell | 00:57 |
@kanzure | -rwxr-xr-x 1 bryan bryan 952595 Nov 19 19:11 xpcshell | 00:57 |
@kanzure | $ ./xpcshell | 00:57 |
@kanzure | -bash: ./xpcshell: No such file or directory | 00:57 |
@kanzure | what am i doing wrong? | 00:58 |
Undine | ...ok | 00:58 |
@fenn | gnusha's not ganesha! or something like that | 01:03 |
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@kanzure | our acronymlyzer is broken | 01:05 |
@fenn | kanzure: did you delete or move the directory you're in? or maybe you have to log out | 01:05 |
@kanzure | i tried logging it out and back into a different shell | 01:06 |
@kanzure | didn't delete | 01:06 |
@fenn | does it do #!/usr/bin/foobar | 01:06 |
@kanzure | no they are binaries | 01:08 |
@kanzure | weird the i686 version works but not the x86_64 version | 01:08 |
@kanzure | uname claims that we're x86_64 | 01:08 |
@fenn | well good luck with that | 01:09 |
@kanzure | maybe i installed some i386/i686 packages and xulrunner is dynamically linked | 01:09 |
jrayhawk | fenn: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853431/ i think you should reconsider badmouthing lithium | 01:39 |
Undine | to go for DIYBIO are the equipment expensive...? | 01:44 |
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xx | ##bipolar | 02:43 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v11/n9/full/nmat3357.html | 03:56 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Rapid%20casting%20of%20patterned%20vascular%20networks%20for%20perfusable%20engineered%20three-dimensional%20tissues.pdf | 03:56 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7266/abs/nature08446.html | 03:56 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Spatiotemporal%20control%20of%20cell%20signalling%20using%20a%20light-switchable%20protein%20interaction.pdf | 03:56 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614%2812%2900138-0/abstract | 03:58 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0253-6102/58/6/01 | 04:00 |
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@kanzure | well. hrm. | 04:00 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0253-6102/58/6/01 | 04:07 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Stair%20and%20Step%20Soliton%20Solutions%20of%20the%20Integrable%20%282%2B1%29%20and%20%283%2B1%29-Dimensional%20BoitiLeonMannaPempinelli%20Equations.pdf | 04:07 |
@kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.0436 | 04:09 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Solutions%20of%20the%20Klein-Gordon%20equation%20in%20an%20infinite%20square-well%20potential%20with%20a%20moving%20wall.pdf | 04:09 |
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@kanzure | damn. | 04:12 |
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@kanzure | http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/lc/c2lc40837f | 04:14 |
@kanzure | whaat | 04:14 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=1650087 | 04:15 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.frontiersin.org/Neuroendocrine_Science/10.3389/fendo.2012.00175/abstract | 04:17 |
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@kanzure | hmm. | 04:18 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001462 | 04:19 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01436-5 | 04:20 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01436-5 | 04:21 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Structural%20Basis%20for%20dsRNA%20Recognition%2C%20Filament%20Formation%2C%20and%20Antiviral%20Signal%20Activation%20by%20MDA5.pdf | 04:21 |
chris_99 | does paperbot work for things like IEEE/ACM out of curiousity | 04:22 |
@kanzure | try it | 04:22 |
chris_99 | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5720638&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5720638 | 04:24 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5720638&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5720638 | 04:24 |
chris_99 | (not sure what i'm supposed to link to mind) | 04:24 |
@kanzure | login.jsp is definitely not what you should link to :) | 04:24 |
superkuh | paperbot: http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/161/161ra151 | 04:24 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/161/161ra151 | 04:24 |
@kanzure | hmm. | 04:24 |
superkuh | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/scitranslmed.3004685 | 04:24 |
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@kanzure | it doesn't follow doi urls yet | 04:25 |
superkuh | Okay. Exciting regardless. | 04:25 |
@kanzure | it should have given 501 for sciencemag.org | 04:26 |
@kanzure | thanks for the test data.. keep it coming. | 04:27 |
@kanzure | oh also "didn't find any pdfs" is indicative of subscription failure | 04:29 |
@kanzure | i suppose i should try on multiple proxies | 04:29 |
superkuh | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0741-3335/52/3/032001/ | 04:31 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Multiple%20pinch%20formations%20in%20small%20plasma-focus%20devices.pdf | 04:31 |
superkuh | Hah. Great. I've had that one in my session file for a year. | 04:32 |
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superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=901261 | 04:42 |
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@kanzure | hack hack hack | 04:43 |
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@kanzure | right now it's just pdx.edu, and they tend to have sucky ieee availability. | 04:44 |
@kanzure | http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA220914 | 04:54 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Heterodyne%20Characterization%20of%20High-Speed%20Photomixers%20for%20the%20Ultraviolet.pdf | 04:54 |
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@kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7430/full/nature11717.html | 05:46 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20vast%2C%20thin%20plane%20of%20corotating%20dwarf%20galaxies%20orbiting%20the%20Andromeda%20galaxy.pdf | 05:46 |
EnLilaSko | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html | 05:59 |
EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html | 05:59 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf | 05:59 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf | 05:59 |
EnLilaSko | Oh, really cool kanzure | 05:59 |
@kanzure | hmm that one didn't work | 06:03 |
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EnLilaSko | No, noticed. But cool function anyway | 06:03 |
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EnLilaSko | But found it somewhere else | 06:04 |
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@kanzure | http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/139 | 06:11 |
@kanzure | damn. | 06:11 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007/978-4-431-53993-3_10 | 06:13 |
paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007/978-4-431-53993-3_10 | 06:13 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00726-012-1311-1 | 06:14 |
paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00726-012-1311-1 | 06:14 |
@kanzure | pfft. | 06:15 |
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eudoxia | http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/could-human-enhancement-turn-soldiers-into-weapons-that-violate-international-law-yes/266732/ | 07:31 |
eudoxia | these people in charge of ethics | 07:31 |
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EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html | 07:47 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Long-term%20depression%20in%20the%20CNS.pdf | 07:47 |
EnLilaSko | kanzure: The bot doesn't seem to like me, lol | 07:47 |
* bkero waves to all you crazy nightowls | 07:49 | |
strangewarp | Cyclical-schedule owl, for me, heh | 07:55 |
strangewarp | Right, time to run to Radioshack for a particular phono jack panel that's only available there, for some reason, then keep my nose to the grindstone on these two musical hardware-hacking projects that I really desperately want to finish soon before it drives me crazy... | 07:56 |
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juri_ | neat. a paperbot. nice. | 08:54 |
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@kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 11:26 |
yashgaroth | sup | 11:26 |
@kanzure | paperbot. | 11:27 |
yashgaroth | paperbot: fetch me a bagel | 11:27 |
yashgaroth | well that needs work, but I see it does do papers | 11:30 |
brownies | i want on in this bagel run too | 11:32 |
@kanzure | i need to figure out proxies. | 11:35 |
@kanzure | does anyone have a stable proxy i can add to it? i don't reaaally want to add stolen account details. | 11:35 |
@kanzure | something other than pdx.edu | 11:36 |
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@kanzure | ParahSailin: what's up? | 11:43 |
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delinquentme | kanzure, do you happen to have anything to scrape facebook for all your posts? | 12:17 |
@kanzure | facebook offered a download thing that gives you that content | 12:19 |
delinquentme | REALLY | 12:21 |
delinquentme | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS | 12:22 |
@kanzure | ok ok calm down don't go super saiyin on me | 12:22 |
delinquentme | they're apparently packing up my data right now .. kinda awesome. | 12:25 |
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@kanzure | delinquentme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us8Qojiy5J8 | 12:37 |
delinquentme | =] not bad intro! | 12:39 |
delinquentme | trying to locate this remix by pretty lights ... I labeled it on facebook as "existential gangster dubstep" | 12:39 |
delinquentme | it was surprisingly solid | 12:39 |
delinquentme | reminds me alot of the FF10 blitzball intro video | 12:40 |
strangewarp | I read that as "experimental gender dubstep" | 12:42 |
strangewarp | which, honestly, would have been just as interesting | 12:46 |
delinquentme | haha | 12:48 |
delinquentme | TIL biggie was gender queer | 12:48 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: reload papers | 13:41 |
paperbot | kanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.pyc'> (version: 2013-01-06 21:41:31) | 13:41 |
@kanzure | eww a timestamp for a version | 13:41 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html | 13:43 |
paperbot | HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/pdf/nrn2867.pdf | 13:43 |
@kanzure | ah much better | 13:43 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 13:50 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 13:50 |
@kanzure | uhuh.. | 13:50 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:05 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:05 |
brownies | paperbot: reload __init__ | 14:11 |
brownies | eh, worth a shot =P | 14:11 |
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@fenn | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20655949 | 14:20 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20655949 | 14:20 |
@kanzure | it's telling the truth you know | 14:20 |
@fenn | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163782710000354 | 14:20 |
paperbot | error: HTTP 501 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163782710000354 (battle station not fully operational) | 14:20 |
@kanzure | sciencedirect is broken for some reason | 14:20 |
@fenn | paperbot: man battle stations! | 14:20 |
@fenn | "no manual entry for battle stations!" | 14:21 |
@kanzure | so.. ieee xplore should actually work. | 14:21 |
@kanzure | i've been debugging https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/IEEE%20Xplore.js | 14:21 |
@kanzure | it seems to be capable of finding the <frame> element but it's just not happening for some reason? | 14:22 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:25 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:26 |
@kanzure | http://pastebin.com/XiZmkchJ | 14:26 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:28 |
paperbot | error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 14:28 |
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brownies | paperbot: man cat | 14:34 |
brownies | worst. robot. ever. | 14:34 |
yashgaroth | even I can't parse that | 14:35 |
@kanzure | it's pretty amazing it even works at all, give the bot a break. | 14:35 |
@kanzure | jrayhawk: what should i install to enable sftp on gnusha? someone wants sftp tab completion. apparently scp tab completion sucks? | 14:48 |
@kanzure | is proftpd safe? | 14:50 |
AlonzoTG | why is this channel called hplusroadmap? nobody seems to ever talk about the big picture or present anything that could be called a roadmap.... | 14:52 |
@kanzure | ah wait we have vsftpd | 14:52 |
@kanzure | AlonzoTG: because there was a roadmap and then we deleted it or something | 14:53 |
juri_ | alonzo: people here are busy doing. | 14:53 |
@kanzure | "the big picture" is that you should go learn these things http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 14:53 |
@kanzure | how do i force vsftpd to enable sftp | 14:53 |
@fenn | i've been reading "the case for mars" in which the author argues that nasa has been failing for the past 40 years because of a distinct lack of mission. instead of developing technologies that lead to a goal, various technical communities compete to create their favorite project that may or may not actually be useful for anything at all | 14:54 |
@fenn | he calls this "shuttle mode" vs "apollo mode" | 14:55 |
@fenn | we're in the same boat, but without 20 billion in annual funding | 14:56 |
@kanzure | oh openssh-sftp-server seems to be configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 14:57 |
brownies | but what's the analogous goal for the transhumanist community? | 15:00 |
brownies | space program has mars. transhumanists have... glowing cats? | 15:00 |
@kanzure | whole brain emulation | 15:00 |
@kanzure | an actually useful nootropic | 15:00 |
brownies | (1) doesn't seem useful (2) piracetam | 15:00 |
brownies | NEXT! | 15:00 |
@kanzure | piracetam isn't really that great | 15:00 |
brownies | i've heard a few horror stories about dependencies and withdrawal and such, but on the whole it seems to be a magic thing that you take and it makes you slightly smarter | 15:01 |
brownies | *with zero to minimal side effects | 15:01 |
@kanzure | so what? slightly smarter? who the fuck cares.. | 15:01 |
yashgaroth | piracetam's good for saving money on other things, but I never noticed a nootropic effect per se | 15:01 |
@kanzure | i mean, slightly smarter is totally useless and irrelevant | 15:01 |
brownies | honestly even "5-10% smarter" would be a meaningful boost that's nothing to sneeze at | 15:01 |
@kanzure | yes, it is statistically significant | 15:02 |
@kanzure | whole brain emulation is useful because you can experiment on changes to the brain without having to actually stimulate your brain to figure out what will kill yuo | 15:03 |
@kanzure | *you | 15:03 |
@kanzure | i also strongly believe that transcranial ultrasound and other ways to get information in/out of the brain can provide transhumanist results | 15:04 |
@kanzure | brownies: oh and longevity is another obvious one | 15:05 |
juri_ | sub quantum interference detector, eh? | 15:05 |
@kanzure | for what | 15:06 |
juri_ | (i guess you didn't watch that movie) | 15:06 |
@kanzure | soundsl ike BS | 15:06 |
@kanzure | *like | 15:06 |
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yashgaroth | it was a good movie | 15:06 |
juri_ | of course it is, but it as a good plot device. | 15:06 |
@kanzure | brownies: btw the reason i say 5% is useless is because there are people who are 5% smarter than any of us in here, and they aren't particularly more effective at making better smart drugs | 15:07 |
@kanzure | the "smartest guy in the world" is some bar hop.. | 15:08 |
@kanzure | erm.. i mean. he doesn't seem to be more effective at his maths than anybody else. | 15:09 |
@kanzure | i want orders of magnitude | 15:09 |
brownies | heh, i remember reading that article. poor bastard. | 15:09 |
@kanzure | (and it's not a "oh maybe he's happy with that job" situation) | 15:09 |
brownies | kanzure: one would presume that the reason they aren't particularly effective at making smart drugs is that they're not dedicating every moment of their entire lives to it | 15:10 |
brownies | and instead they've come here to fuck around on IRC instead of researching nootropics | 15:10 |
brownies | your average PhD has an IQ of, what, 120? not exactly a monument of genius, but since they work full-time on research, they contribute more than us navel-gazers | 15:10 |
@kanzure | no, irc is not the reason you suck at nootropics brownies | 15:10 |
brownies | kanzure: that was just a jab. the point is that it's a function of time invested. | 15:11 |
@kanzure | don't be so sure about that either, most phd students don't read that much | 15:11 |
@kanzure | their papers are usually only 200 references, they usually exclude thousands of highly relevant papers. these guys are lightweights.. | 15:11 |
* kanzure grumps off | 15:12 | |
brownies | given that they're still producing papers, that seems like a strawman. | 15:12 |
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juri_ | i still haven't produced any papers worth speaking about. | 15:19 |
juri_ | but, i can type on irc! :) | 15:19 |
AlonzoTG | I have a minecraft server up, I've sketched out some insane ideas there. =P | 15:33 |
@kanzure | ? | 15:41 |
AlonzoTG | yeah, I'm crazy. | 15:41 |
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joehot | kanzure: i've got a friend sitting on a printer. he says he's looking for any excuse to use it. what should he make | 18:50 |
juri_ | what kind of printer? | 18:57 |
JayDugger | http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/cad/ar15_receiver.pdf | 18:57 |
joehot | the kind that matters | 18:58 |
joehot | very funny | 18:58 |
JayDugger | Who's kidding? | 18:59 |
JayDugger | If that strikes you as flame bait, duly noted. I meant it in seriousness. | 18:59 |
juri_ | print more printers. | 19:00 |
JayDugger | That's an even better idea. | 19:00 |
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@kanzure | joehot: he should make http://thingiverse.com/ things | 19:28 |
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@kanzure | Adifex: hi | 20:00 |
Adifex | hey! anything happening around here? | 20:01 |
JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 20:02 |
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nmz787 | paperbot http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D689788 | 20:03 |
@kanzure | paperbot only understands "paperbot: " or a message beginning with "http" | 20:03 |
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@kanzure | and it definitely can't handle login.jsp | 20:04 |
nmz787 | paperbot:http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D689788 | 20:04 |
@kanzure | also.. ieee xplore is broken anyway :P | 20:04 |
nmz787 | well that bokmarklet and chrome does | 20:06 |
@kanzure | paperbot is not chrome | 20:07 |
@kanzure | paperbot: reload papers | 20:07 |
paperbot | kanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-07 04:07:10) | 20:07 |
@kanzure | paperbot: reload papers | 20:08 |
paperbot | kanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-07 04:08:51) | 20:08 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1986.64.4.0594 | 20:09 |
paperbot | error: HTTP 501 http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1986.64.4.0594 (battle station not fully operational) | 20:09 |
Adifex | lol | 20:09 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.20572/abstract | 20:09 |
paperbot | error: HTTP 501 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.20572/abstract (battle station not fully operational) | 20:09 |
@kanzure | damn. | 20:09 |
@kanzure | nmz787: the bookmarklet in that case will take you to the pdf because that's what the url is, but in most cases it's not immediately obvious where on the page the pdf link is | 20:10 |
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jrayhawk | kanzure: did you sort out your crazy ftp thing | 20:27 |
Adifex | Is there a good compilation of transhumanist papers around, like a year-end type of thing? Or do I have to find them all on my own? | 20:36 |
Adifex | And what journals are good for that type of thing? | 20:36 |
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nmz787 | Adifex: kanzure should know | 20:58 |
Adifex | heh. kanzure must be out | 21:04 |
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@kanzure | Adifex: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ has a bunch of useful things, but no there's no journal specifically for transhumanist things. | 23:30 |
@kanzure | and don't listen to the liars who claim jeet serves that purpose. | 23:30 |
Adifex | kanzure: thanks a bunch. Maybe we need to start a journal! :D | 23:31 |
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