--- Log opened Mon Jan 07 00:00:23 2013 | ||
-!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Adifex] | 00:04 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 00:15 | |
-!- qu-bit_ [~shroedngr@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] | 00:18 | |
-!- Viper168 [~Viper@node83.19.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 02:04 | |
-!- Viper168 [~Viper@node83.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] | 02:04 | |
-!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 02:04 | |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] | 02:07 | |
-!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-111-12.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 02:11 | |
-!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 02:43 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 02:47 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] | 02:56 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] | 02:57 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:04 | |
-!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:09 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] | 03:12 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:24 | |
-!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] | 03:25 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 03:36 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:50 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:53 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Changing host] | 03:53 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 03:53 | |
-!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] | 03:55 | |
-!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 04:34 | |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@node83.19.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 04:35 | |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@node83.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] | 04:35 | |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 04:35 | |
-!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 04:38 | |
-!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] | 04:41 | |
archels | http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kilocycle%2Ckilohertz&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share= | 04:52 |
---|---|---|
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 04:52 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 05:14 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 05:45 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 06:08 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] | 06:08 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 06:08 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] | 06:36 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 06:39 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 06:56 | |
-!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-enbvehnllmmbrtrq] has quit [] | 06:57 | |
@kanzure | leafblowers :( | 07:17 |
-!- yorick [~yorick@vredebest.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 07:19 | |
-!- yorick [~yorick@vredebest.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host] | 07:19 | |
-!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 07:19 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 07:36 | |
-!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 07:48 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Ciao a tutti!] | 07:57 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 07:59 | |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] | 08:08 | |
@kanzure | On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Petros Amiridis <support@github.com> wrote: | 08:41 |
@kanzure | > If you are willing to create a video that demonstrates the issues, we could investigate further. | 08:41 |
@kanzure | wtf github | 08:41 |
@kanzure | i should just rick roll them | 08:41 |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] | 08:43 | |
-!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Killed (morgan.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] | 08:50 | |
-!- Guest68635 [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 08:51 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 09:03 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 09:26 | |
-!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] | 09:27 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 09:39 | |
-!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] | 09:47 | |
-!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 09:52 | |
nmz787 | http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2011/06/21/how-to-fit-an-elephant/ | 09:57 |
-!- heath [quassel@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:6e5b] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 10:04 | |
juri_ | the proper response is to use gitorious. ;) | 10:22 |
-!- heath [quassel@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:6e5b] has quit [Changing host] | 10:32 | |
-!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 10:32 | |
-!- Lucas_ [4a6fa682@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.111.166.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 10:40 | |
nmz787 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/66041_4437827936711_1687120021_n.jpg | 10:45 |
nmz787 | juri_: how does gitorious compare to github? | 10:46 |
@kanzure | gitorious has less users and a worse ui | 11:05 |
@kanzure | but more of its software is open source. github has only open sourced a limited amount of its infrastructure. | 11:05 |
@kanzure | bitbucket is an okay alternative to github but also has less users or potential contributors | 11:06 |
Lucas_ | hey there | 11:37 |
chris_99 | i wish github had statistics on the # of checkouts etc. | 11:38 |
@fenn | blueback09 writes, "Hi,Are you still developing SKDB?" | 11:41 |
@fenn | he's openalia.wordpress.com | 11:42 |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 11:43 | |
@kanzure | he also emailed me that | 11:54 |
@kanzure | but then he never replied | 11:54 |
archels | http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/vaop/naam/abs/npp20132a.html | 12:00 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Fluoxetine-Induced%20Cortical%20Adult%20Neurogenesis.pdf | 12:00 |
archels | Fluoxetine-Induced Cortical Adult Neurogenesis | 12:00 |
archels | paperbot: lolwat | 12:01 |
@fenn | does anyone get what this paper is about? http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0545 | 12:01 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0545 | 12:01 |
@kanzure | .. | 12:01 |
@fenn | hah | 12:01 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Negative%20Absolute%20Temperature%20for%20Motional%20Degrees%20of%20Freedom.pdf | 12:01 |
@fenn | oh it's just slow | 12:01 |
@kanzure | archels: :) | 12:02 |
archels | fenn: I've seen some follow ups on that on blog posts and [tt] | 12:02 |
archels | could find links? | 12:02 |
archels | http://www.empiricalzeal.com/2013/01/05/what-the-dalai-lama-can-teach-us-about-temperatures-below-absolute-zero/ | 12:02 |
nmz787 | crazy weird physucs | 12:04 |
@kanzure | archels: paperbot needs other ways to access papers for when it fails. do you have an account or access you could contribtue? | 12:06 |
archels | Oh, I would be happy to find papers for people if they give me a poke, but I won't hook up my university accounts to a bot, sorry. | 12:22 |
@kanzure | damn. | 12:22 |
archels | Is it all going through your account currently? | 12:23 |
@kanzure | no, we're hosted at pdx.edu and have had access all along | 12:24 |
@kanzure | i just.. uh. forgot. | 12:24 |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 12:24 | |
archels | oh, neat. Well, if you ever need something, let me know. ;) | 12:28 |
-!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 12:28 | |
@kanzure | no thanks. | 12:29 |
-!- Lucas_ [4a6fa682@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.111.166.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] | 12:30 | |
archels | paper-related that is ;) | 12:31 |
@kanzure | no thanks. | 12:34 |
@kanzure | it's just not efficient if i have to contact hundreds of people just to get one paper. i'd rather just write some code once to do it. | 12:35 |
archels | Well, there are some 56 people here but yourself, that puts you more than halfway there. ;) | 12:36 |
-!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@203.105.94.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 13:08 | |
nmz787 | kanzure umb got back to me | 13:09 |
wrldpc | does anyone recall the name of the german-based design collective that did the modular housing stuff and the seed mortar (launched plant seeds or something) -- radical ecological group. German. | 13:10 |
wrldpc | I think they're German. I thought it was Core77 but that's not it … it's something 'like' that. | 13:10 |
wrldpc | Core42 or something. | 13:10 |
@fenn | wrldpc: http://www.n55.dk | 13:11 |
wrldpc | w0000t thanks fenn! | 13:11 |
@fenn | i'm a big fan of n55 | 13:11 |
@fenn | i want to build something like this http://www.n55.dk/MANUALS/BOAT/BOAT.html | 13:12 |
chris_99 | which one is the seed mortar? that sounds intriguing | 13:12 |
@fenn | eh some political bullshit, i don't really care so much for it http://www.n55.dk/MANUALS/N55ROCKETSYSTEM/N55ROCKETSYSTEM.html | 13:13 |
chris_99 | ah heh, i thought it'd be more like a potato cannon that shot a load of seeds | 13:15 |
@fenn | waste of a good rocket | 13:16 |
chris_99 | i just got the engine to make a little hybrid rocket using one of those tiny nitrous oxide cartridges | 13:17 |
@fenn | does that work? i'd have thought the weight to fuel ratio would be too low | 13:18 |
@fenn | er, fuel to weight ratio | 13:18 |
chris_99 | it just uses plastic or a paper tube for the fuel, which isn't too heavy | 13:20 |
chris_99 | i haven't tested it yet though | 13:20 |
@fenn | wrldpc: n55 isnt about ecology, it's about flattening power hierarchies | 13:27 |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-159-177.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 13:28 | |
wrldpc | Copy that. | 13:36 |
wrldpc | how do you divorce the mission statement from the political ideology. they're obviously a marxist lenninist communist socialist group who are ecologically minded. | 13:39 |
wrldpc | unless payloads of genetically modified superweed seed payloads are just a means to an end. | 13:39 |
wrldpc | i guess it's more anarchy than anything. | 13:39 |
wrldpc | the modular housing units smack of communism. | 13:39 |
@fenn | yes it is explicitly communist, but without invoking the historical baggage of soviet russia | 13:41 |
nmz787 | ". To counter the threat of genetic pollution posed by biotech firms, persons are encouraged to equip themselves with superweeds to potentially sabotage commercial GM crop fields. SuperWeeds are distributed by Heath Bunting, www.irational.org/cta/superweed/" | 13:41 |
nmz787 | wtf | 13:41 |
wrldpc | LOL | 13:41 |
nmz787 | that's horrible | 13:41 |
wrldpc | agreed | 13:41 |
@fenn | i think there's a bit of playful disinfo there | 13:42 |
nmz787 | http://www.irational.org/cgi-bin/language/language.pl?url=http://www.irational.org/cta/superweed/kit.html | 13:42 |
nmz787 | thanks to monsanto and tested by Novartis... at the botton | 13:43 |
@fenn | "capable of producing a genetically mutant superweed" means they think that if you put these two plants together and let them stir around, they'll somehow magically cross pollinate and make a superweed | 13:43 |
nmz787 | yeah | 13:43 |
wrldpc | lulz | 13:43 |
wrldpc | like jason silva's idea sex thing. | 13:43 |
eudoxia | oh god not that guy again | 13:43 |
wrldpc | "ideas have sex, maaaan." | 13:43 |
@fenn | "Whatever you do, the threat is often as effective as the execution." | 13:44 |
wrldpc | isn't that the definition of the ultimate weapon? | 13:44 |
wrldpc | bah that sounds awfully philosophical to me. | 13:44 |
wrldpc | it's all great until they call your bluff and the weeds don't copulate. | 13:45 |
wrldpc | I met a materials scientist on my flight from Japan and sat next to a design student from RISD on the flight back here. http://energy.umich.edu/energy-research/faculty-old/aniruddha-deb/ | 13:45 |
superkuh | Why would they bother interacting with you? They'll just have the local federal government raid you and put the fear of god in. | 13:45 |
wrldpc | Deb's dream is a $19k Li-ion car. | 13:45 |
wrldpc | he did some research on zinc deficiency and pancreatic cancer. | 13:46 |
wrldpc | and was specializing in producing some kind of ceramic membrane for use in lithium ion batteries to factor their efficiency. some performance doubling. | 13:47 |
wrldpc | the RISD student is thoroughly indoctrinated by the old guard manufacturing model. | 13:47 |
wrldpc | I brought up makerbot and the 3d printers and he brushed it off, "that will never replace industrial manufacturing." | 13:48 |
eudoxia | hnnnghhhh | 13:49 |
wrldpc | I'm like uhh | 13:49 |
wrldpc | what about industrial lathes, CNC machines? etc? I don't know, he was on his way to Osaka to study from a master in the production of traditional japanese woodblocks for printmaking. | 13:50 |
@fenn | but CNC woodblocks will never replace laser printers~ | 13:50 |
wrldpc | yes but his point is that the current paradigmatic shift loses what he calls "soul" -- he was justifying all of the time they wasted teaching him outdated or obsolete ways of doing things. | 13:52 |
@fenn | i have this vague feeling of how everything around me is just disposable crap, it doesn't really matter how it's made because it will be thrown away in ten years regardless | 13:52 |
wrldpc | Exactly! | 13:52 |
wrldpc | I brought up that point "well it threatens the chinese manufacturing base for garbage trash." | 13:53 |
wrldpc | He likes the Germans of course. Everyone likes German design. He said "something is lost in the current design process." they still had this kid modeling in clay. | 13:54 |
@fenn | i'm somewhat disappointed in what happened with arduino. now a first-gen arduino is basically useless because it's too much effort to learn how to use it, even though it's functionally identical for the typical use case | 13:54 |
wrldpc | clay then the foam, then the styrene | 13:54 |
wrldpc | http://alecbabala.com/ | 13:54 |
wrldpc | wait wut | 13:56 |
@fenn | wrong link? | 13:56 |
wrldpc | how many generations? | 13:56 |
wrldpc | no that's him | 13:56 |
@fenn | there are something like five generations of arduino now | 13:56 |
wrldpc | He expressed a desire to join the marines and "apply my design skills there" -- the tragedy is there is no space for that. The Marine Corps stopped designing for itself years ago. That's all outsourced … then the outsourced companies interface with the war fighters to revise the designs when the designers should be the war fighters. | 13:57 |
wrldpc | there is the marine corps research center but those projects are limited. | 13:58 |
@fenn | government institutions are not known for their innovative culture | 13:58 |
wrldpc | ^ | 13:58 |
wrldpc | oh my god | 13:58 |
wrldpc | we have these white fiberglass coffins we keep the AIM-9X missiles in. | 13:59 |
wrldpc | complete lack of design. | 13:59 |
wrldpc | there are like 24 of these cheap metal hasps that line the outside of the coffin to secure the lid to the container and whoever designed those looked for the most antagonistic form for human fingers to manipulate. | 14:00 |
wrldpc | it is by no means high-speed design. | 14:01 |
nmz787 | fenn what do you mean about the old arduino being hard to use? | 14:02 |
@fenn | nmz787: now everyone "needs" an uno because otherwise you'd have to install USB drivers :\ | 14:04 |
@fenn | i guess i'm mostly just annoyed that reprap firmware doesn't work/fit on old models | 14:05 |
@fenn | how will the open hardware movement ever settle on any sort of standard kit? | 14:07 |
-!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-111-12.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] | 14:08 | |
@fenn | by the time people are settling in with beagleboard 1 and software finally works etc, beagleboard 2 comes out and everyone starts making new projects using that instead | 14:08 |
@fenn | arduino is relatively more stable because there's less to go wrong, less complexity and less stupid IP issues | 14:10 |
@fenn | i'm just frustrated by the 20 brands of tomato sauce | 14:11 |
chris_99 | you could always just use a PIC / AVR straight, then theres only two | 14:13 |
@fenn | oh but it's not just two | 14:14 |
chris_99 | two types of programmers though ;) | 14:14 |
@fenn | there are literally hundreds of different PIC chips, and at least a dozen programmers for them | 14:14 |
@fenn | at least AVR has standardized its programming interface | 14:14 |
chris_99 | Pickit 3 will programm all pic chips | 14:14 |
chris_99 | AVR is actually less standard afaik | 14:15 |
@fenn | how so? | 14:15 |
chris_99 | it has more more different types of programming interfaces | 14:15 |
@fenn | you mean ICSP vs bootloader? or just pinouts? | 14:15 |
chris_99 | i mean some AVRs use JTAG, some use others | 14:16 |
@fenn | nobody uses JTAG | 14:16 |
chris_99 | ? | 14:16 |
@fenn | sure if you've got it set up already why not, but i really doubt anybody goes out of the way to use JTAG instead of ICSP for no reason | 14:17 |
@fenn | also, it's not a requirement. any chip can be programmed with ICSP | 14:18 |
@fenn | i don't really want to get into a religious war here, just whining about the lack of preferred numbers, and the lack of any sort of process to get rid of cruft | 14:18 |
chris_99 | i just thought when i spoke to the guys in AVR there was different types of interfaces used in programming AVRs | 14:19 |
chris_99 | but i could well be wrong | 14:19 |
@fenn | the only way to "upgrade" a piece of hardware is to throw the old version away | 14:23 |
@fenn | this really is the big difference between hardware development and software development | 14:23 |
-!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 14:23 | |
chris_99 | yeah, i don't like that idea of throwing away stuff like that | 14:23 |
-!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 14:24 | |
chris_99 | you could have one section of the project, as a breadboard ;) | 14:24 |
@fenn | you're thinking of electronics, but i mean anything made of stuff | 14:24 |
-!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 14:24 | |
@fenn | buildings, bicycles, robots | 14:25 |
@fenn | the answer really is "design for disassembly" | 14:25 |
@fenn | but the most promising technologies are not modular at all | 14:25 |
@fenn | you can't re-use different parts of a microchip | 14:26 |
ThomasEgi | actually. you can. | 14:26 |
ThomasEgi | but not as a conmuser | 14:26 |
ThomasEgi | *consumer | 14:26 |
ThomasEgi | most microcontrollers and chips are highly modular. you can combine whatever functionality you need and manufacture a new chip from it in a very short ammount of time. | 14:27 |
@fenn | the chip components might have standard interfaces on the schematic level, but by the time it's rendered as a mask all the functionality gets scrambled together | 14:27 |
@fenn | "and manufacture a new chip from it" is exactly what i'm saying | 14:28 |
@fenn | the software is reusable, the hardware is not | 14:28 |
ThomasEgi | well that's the price you pay for miniaturisation | 14:28 |
chris_99 | FPGAs are "re-usable" i guess | 14:28 |
@fenn | it applies to large scale objects as well | 14:28 |
@fenn | it's often more expensive to renovate a building for a new purpose than to just build a new one | 14:28 |
@fenn | most buildings are designed for human occupation, so that's not a very good example | 14:30 |
@fenn | chris_99: right, fpga is starting to break down the barrier between hardware and software. i'd like to see more work using this philosophy | 14:31 |
@fenn | a breadboard is very similar in spirit | 14:31 |
@fenn | protein synthesis is another example | 14:31 |
@fenn | in all these cases we sacrifice some performance for the sake of modularity and reusability | 14:32 |
@fenn | the n55 boat/platform/house is a good example of a mesoscale modular system | 14:33 |
chris_99 | i guess it's not in the advantage of consumer hardware manufacturers to make things re-usable | 14:35 |
@fenn | but then we have things like arduino, which are essentially glorified breadboards that aren't disassembly-friendly | 14:36 |
@fenn | is arduino a consumer hardware manufacturer? | 14:36 |
chris_99 | hmm good point, don't know about that | 14:37 |
chris_99 | are all arduinos pin for pin compatible | 14:37 |
chris_99 | with the shields | 14:37 |
@fenn | so are ATX motherboards | 14:37 |
@fenn | it's hard to convince people that the reprap threaded rod system is better than a lasercut plywood or lasercut acrylic, when those materials are both such a small part of the overall system cost | 14:39 |
@fenn | it would be great if we could use discarded CD-ROM motors or whatever, but here again the lack of standardization bites back | 14:40 |
@fenn | so we're stuck buying off the shelf stepper motors just to have a design that is documented | 14:41 |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-159-177.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 14:41 | |
@kanzure | nmz787: what did umb say? | 14:42 |
@kanzure | fenn: is there an arduino package manager? that seems like a rather glaring oversight. | 14:44 |
chris_99 | you could always RE the stepper motor though, but yeah it'd take time | 14:45 |
@kanzure | i think you can apt-get whatever-lib dash dev packages, but i doubt there's arduino things being distributed in -dev form | 14:45 |
@fenn | a majority of the code is included in the arduino package itself | 14:46 |
@fenn | filesystem code, serial protocols, etc | 14:47 |
@kanzure | a stdlib is enough for nayone | 14:47 |
-!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 14:55 | |
juri_ | my reprap has a lot of reccled parts. standardization isn't the problem, its that the language used for part design does not easily let you say "this part was made for a nema17, but we have a nema21. recompile.' | 15:19 |
juri_ | thats why i've become a fan of implicitcad; the language itsself makes such changes easier. | 15:19 |
-!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 15:19 | |
juri_ | now i just need to learn the bloody language, and they need to finish off 'constraints' support. | 15:20 |
@kanzure | "Due to export restrictions, TokenKey requires an EZproxy license" | 15:33 |
-!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 15:45 | |
-!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdgiwuoagjjdnjpv] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 15:57 | |
-!- panax [~panax@68.200.160.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 16:11 | |
@kanzure | hmmm | 16:15 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure?tab=contributions | 16:15 |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] | 16:49 | |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 16:53 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 16:55 | |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] | 16:56 | |
-!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:09 | |
@kanzure | On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Arnold <arnoldsander@gmail.com> wrote: | 17:12 |
@kanzure | > any current public effort`s to extend DIYbio's information base beyond this | 17:12 |
@kanzure | > google group? (this group seems to be the only place left where I seem to be | 17:12 |
@kanzure | > able to find information that is current) | 17:12 |
@kanzure | i wonder if my emails are just being filtered at this point | 17:12 |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:22 | |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] | 17:23 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:27 | |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:29 | |
-!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:36 | |
-!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:37 | |
eudoxia | meanwhile at the DHS' secret underground volcano fortress... | 17:41 |
eudoxia | "he knows! abort abort" | 17:41 |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 17:43 | |
-!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 17:44 | |
-!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-146-215.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 17:59 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 18:14 | |
-!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] | 18:15 | |
@kanzure | well this is enraging https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/issues/1074 | 18:51 |
@kanzure | they broke proxy support and are blaming it on another library :| | 18:51 |
-!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 19:04 | |
-!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] | 19:15 | |
-!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:17 | |
-!- panax [~panax@68.200.160.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 19:22 | |
-!- panax [panax@131.247.116.140] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:22 | |
-!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:25 | |
nmz787 | kanzure: umb said i had a student record created, but said i would get another email with a username or ID #, which I haven't got yet, I emailed their omputer support team so maybe I'll hear tomorrow | 19:34 |
-!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] | 19:34 | |
-!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:35 | |
-!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:39 | |
-!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 19:41 | |
-!- Guest68635 is now known as abetusk | 19:49 | |
-!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 20:15 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 20:34 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] | 20:34 | |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 20:34 | |
-!- Undine [~Undine@64.235.97.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] | 20:46 | |
-!- Undine [~Undine@64.235.97.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 20:46 | |
-!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 20:56 | |
-!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 20:57 | |
-!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 21:03 | |
joehot | .wa 1+1 | 21:20 |
paperbot | 1+1;2;two;| +->-> = ->, 1->->1->->2;age 6: 3.2 seconds -> age 8: 1.8 seconds -> age 10: 1.2 seconds -> , age 18: 0.83 seconds, (ignoring concentration, repetition, variations in education, etc.) | 21:20 |
joehot | hah | 21:20 |
-!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 21:21 | |
joehot | paperbot: tell kanzure cool disable friend | 21:21 |
paperbot | joehot: I'll pass that on when kanzure is around. | 21:21 |
yashgaroth | paperbot: where's my damn bagel | 21:22 |
@kanzure | fjkdla;adkfjadlfjklad | 21:23 |
paperbot | kanzure: 05:21Z <joehot> tell kanzure cool disable friend | 21:23 |
-!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 21:23 | |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 21:23 | |
joehot | shouldnt have said anything | 21:24 |
joehot | totally exploitable | 21:25 |
joehot | do you want a pastebin of the excludes | 21:25 |
@kanzure | no i want phenny fixed | 21:25 |
joehot | are you going to do it | 21:25 |
joehot | i think its pretty funny that they didnt stop to think the other half of the eqn didnt get implemented | 21:26 |
@kanzure | fucking with urllib at the moment | 21:26 |
@kanzure | phenny will be next | 21:26 |
joehot | ill do it | 21:26 |
joehot | https://github.com/sbp/phenny/pull/4/files | 21:31 |
joehot | they werent paying attention | 21:31 |
@kanzure | that doesn't seem to account for per-channel rules | 21:32 |
joehot | there are none | 21:32 |
joehot | or are there | 21:32 |
joehot | afaik that was never an option to begin with | 21:32 |
joehot | the bot is pretty primitive atm | 21:32 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/sbp/phenny/blob/master/phenny#L25 | 21:33 |
@kanzure | in particularl ine 52 | 21:33 |
@kanzure | *line 52 | 21:33 |
joehot | maybe it chains into setup() | 21:34 |
joehot | "maps channel names to white or black lists" | 21:35 |
joehot | oh | 21:35 |
joehot | i think theyre separate | 21:35 |
joehot | i have a feeling that wasnt even implemented either | 21:35 |
joehot | im surprised they remembered to do the part where it holds together | 21:36 |
joehot | startup is a reqd module | 21:36 |
joehot | i guess i assumed it was more fleshed out | 21:37 |
@fenn | what the hell was .wa supposed to do? | 21:38 |
@fenn | oh was that wolfram alpha? | 21:40 |
joehot | .wa -i | 21:41 |
joehot | oh right the bots gone | 21:41 |
@kanzure | i wonder who recommended phenny to me | 21:42 |
joehot | weird, it kind of looks like there is code for it already | 21:50 |
joehot | hm actually this looks accidental | 21:55 |
joehot | wait no, that's just inconsistency | 21:56 |
joehot | found the bug | 22:01 |
-!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 22:03 | |
joehot | wait | 22:05 |
-!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:05 | |
joehot | kanzure: pastebin your default.py | 22:06 |
-!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 22:09 | |
@kanzure | joehot: http://pastebin.com/0fw578ga | 22:11 |
@fenn | i hope the text on supybot.org is autogenerated | 22:11 |
joehot | '*': ['!'], # default whitelist, allow all | 22:12 |
joehot | there was no bug | 22:12 |
joehot | my problem happened because i put modules/ in extra | 22:12 |
joehot | well, there was a bug | 22:13 |
joehot | because if you put modules/ in extra it includes all of them | 22:14 |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:14 | |
@kanzure | paperbot: .help | 22:14 |
@kanzure | paperbot: .admin | 22:14 |
@kanzure | paperbot: .wa 1+1 | 22:14 |
joehot | so i guess it includes all modules in extra folders | 22:14 |
joehot | .wa 1+1 | 22:14 |
paperbot | 1+1;2;two;| +->-> = ->, 1->->1->->2;age 6: 3.2 seconds -> age 8: 1.8 seconds -> age 10: 1.2 seconds -> , age 18: 0.83 seconds, (ignoring concentration, repetition, variations in education, etc.) | 22:14 |
joehot | hm | 22:14 |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 22:14 | |
-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Viper168, HEx1, panax | 22:14 | |
joehot | enable is empty | 22:14 |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:14 | |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 22:15 | |
joehot | wait | 22:15 |
joehot | enable is commented out | 22:15 |
joehot | so i think you can turn the default whitelist back on | 22:15 |
-!- Netsplit over, joins: panax | 22:15 | |
@fenn | enable = [] no? | 22:16 |
joehot | it has to be uncommented | 22:16 |
@fenn | oh its different on the pastebin | 22:16 |
joehot | yes | 22:17 |
@fenn | /home/bryan/code/paperbot/modules/ is wrong | 22:17 |
joehot | apparently not, papers works | 22:18 |
joehot | .papers | 22:18 |
@fenn | should be /home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/ | 22:18 |
joehot | oh, right | 22:18 |
-!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:18 | |
joehot | .papers | 22:18 |
joehot | .wa 1+1 | 22:18 |
@kanzure | no i wanted /home/bryan/code/paperbot/modules/ to be a separate thing | 22:18 |
joehot | now its just broken | 22:18 |
@kanzure | why would i want to commit all of the other phenny modules? | 22:18 |
@kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0545 | 22:19 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Negative%20Absolute%20Temperature%20for%20Motional%20Degrees%20of%20Freedom.pdf | 22:19 |
@kanzure | looks like it works to me | 22:19 |
@fenn | .reload | 22:20 |
@kanzure | paperbot: reload papers | 22:20 |
paperbot | kanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.pyc'> (version: 2013-01-07 04:08:54) | 22:20 |
-!- 1JTAABRY8 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:20 | |
joehot | .papers | 22:21 |
joehot | paperbot: paper | 22:22 |
joehot | paperbot: papers | 22:22 |
@kanzure | i find your lack of faith disturbing | 22:22 |
@fenn | so it doesn't fetch papers if you say anything else before the link? | 22:25 |
@fenn | http://foo | 22:25 |
@kanzure | i used str.startswith because i was too lazy to parse strings for urls | 22:26 |
@kanzure | but that would be a relevant addition | 22:26 |
-!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] | 22:27 | |
@fenn | http://httpstatus.es/401 | 22:28 |
@fenn | oh it has to find that url in the url | 22:29 |
@kanzure | huh? | 22:29 |
@kanzure | fenn: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py | 22:29 |
@kanzure | a nice patch for someone to contribute would be one that parses multiple urls in a message *cough* | 22:31 |
@kanzure | hmm and title = title.encode(..) should probably be moved up before os.path.join | 22:32 |
-!- 1JTAABRY8 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] | 22:34 | |
-!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:34 | |
-!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-111-12.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 22:42 | |
-!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 23:06 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 23:09 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 23:15 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has quit [Changing host] | 23:15 | |
-!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 23:15 | |
-!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 23:19 | |
-!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 23:22 | |
-!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap | 23:57 | |
--- Log closed Tue Jan 08 00:00:24 2013 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!