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| nmz787 | fenn: you around? | 00:15 |
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| nmz787 | fenn: ever see this http://www.rexresearch.com/index.htm | 00:15 |
| juri_ | gah. | 00:20 |
| juri_ | i can't walk away from my terminal and come back, without tripping on another bloody security vulnerability. | 00:21 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=2748d54b Bryan Bishop: attempt pdfs when zotero fails me | 00:21 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:21 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:21:28) | 00:21 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=723b9f18 Bryan Bishop: make paperbot less verbose | 00:23 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:23 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:23:31) | 00:23 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: what are the alt libgen.info? | 00:30 |
| @kanzure | http://libgen.net/ | 00:31 |
| nmz787 | the 'get' button gives me some weird message on .info | 00:31 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=b1dcaf0e Bryan Bishop: fix title encoding for another pdf case | 00:32 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:32 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:32:01) | 00:32 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6096/816.abstract | 00:34 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Programmable%20Dual-RNAGuided%20DNA%20Endonuclease%20in%20Adaptive%20Bacterial%20Immunity.pdf | 00:34 |
| @kanzure | 99 academic publishers on the wall, take one down pass it around. | 00:34 |
| nmz787 | :P | 00:36 |
| @kanzure | http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/01/07/mnras.sts497.full | 00:37 |
| @kanzure | oh oops | 00:38 |
| @kanzure | in this case it doesn't download the pdf because it doesn't recognize mnras.oxfordjournals.org as a publisher (because the pdf downloader backup is really only a failsafe that works when paperbot is explicitly asked) | 00:39 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/01/07/mnras.sts497.full | 00:39 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20structure%20in%20the%20early%20Universe%20at%20z%20%201.3%20that%20exceeds%20the%20homogeneity%20scale%20of%20the%20R-W%20concordance%20cosmology.pdf | 00:39 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=7c50bdba Bryan Bishop: better case handling for find_citation_pdf_url | 00:44 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:44 |
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| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:44:01) | 00:44 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 | 00:44 |
| paperbot | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'encode' (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 161, in download_url) | 00:44 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=751cb9fe Bryan Bishop: don't encode the title until later | 00:45 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:45 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:45:23) | 00:45 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 | 00:45 |
| paperbot | Exception: problem with citation_pdf_url or citation_title (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 170, in download_url) | 00:45 |
| nmz787 | sebastian cocioba just told me NY has a Recombinant DNA law | 00:46 |
| nmz787 | "Maryland and New York have adopted the NIH guidelines as state law. quoted from a pdf on the subject" | 00:46 |
| nmz787 | said to google New York State Recombinant DNA Experimentation Certification | 00:47 |
| nmz787 | since 1982 MD and NY have adopted NIH guidelines as state law http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1668&context=ealr | 00:49 |
| nmz787 | "Maryland and New York have adopted the NIH guidelines as state law. See MD. ANN. CODE | 00:49 |
| nmz787 | art. 43, 898-910 (1980); N.Y. PUB. HEALTH LAW 3220 (McKinney Supp. 1981-82)." | 00:49 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=191f00ad Bryan Bishop: fix some bugs for pubs.acs.org | 00:55 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:55 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:55:23) | 00:55 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=9c7da548 Bryan Bishop: fix xpath syntax | 00:58 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:58 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-16 08:58:09) | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 | 00:58 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evidence%20for%20the%20absence%20of%20amino%20acid%20isomerization%20in%20microwave-heated%20milk%20and%20infant%20formulas.pdf | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | well. the error message doesn't really make sense in this case. | 00:59 |
| nmz787 | http://w3.health.state.ny.us/dbspace/NYCRR10.nsf/11fb5c7998a73bcc852565a1004e9f87/8525652c00680c3e8525652c00700fa9?OpenDocument | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | Effective Date: NULL | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/blr.1982.1.188 | 01:05 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fa8040ba5be7a5576797d7cc5f8f3fae.txt | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/blr.1982.1.188 | 01:05 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7332f6a02d437d4ef7ba175b81bb32ec.txt | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | no access | 01:06 |
| nmz787 | checking through UMB | 01:08 |
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| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5064654 | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | ""Does anyone have any insight as to why people that code CSS complain about it so much?"" | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | "This is a much deeper question, but one that I think is far more informative. Having done front-end engineering for 10 years, across industries, and in very pricey and exclusive consultancies, I have never found another engineer who had read the bulk of the CSS spec, or even a book about it, for that matter." | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | "Developers, the ones with the mind and experience to bring technical discipline to CSS and create a set of idiomatic patterns (both low-level and high-level), treat CSS as a second-rate citizen." | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | "The remaining portion of the userbase are equally non-technical hobbyists." | 01:32 |
| @kanzure | "This is the real problem of CSS. Those that have the mindset to devise idiomatic conventions to the community don't think the language is worth it. At best, you have semi-experienced developers duct-taping various non-idiomatic ideas together and giving it a fancy name." | 01:32 |
| @kanzure | does anyone have a copy of the jstor charter/constitution? | 01:43 |
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| juri_ | i don't mind css. i would have prefered everyone standardized on xslt, but... | 01:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure you awake? | 02:01 |
| @kanzure | yes | 02:02 |
| @kanzure | sort of | 02:02 |
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| cathalgarvey | http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0192415X05002795 - 2005 - "Effect of Eucommia ulmoides on Systolic Blood Pressure in the Spontaneous Hypertensive Rat" | 03:30 |
| cathalgarvey | (Pardon me while I test this paper-bot witchcraft) | 03:31 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0192415X05002795 | 03:42 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bc1e94ffac6fcdac941d0bf390097344.txt | 03:42 |
| archels | (I think that means it doesn't have access) | 03:43 |
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| cathalgarvey | Well played, paperbot. | 03:44 |
| cathalgarvey | Thanks archels, usage is "paperbot: link", then? | 03:44 |
| cathalgarvey | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00253-011-3613-8 - 2012 - "Structure identification and fermentation characteristics of pinoresinol diglucoside produced by Phomopsis sp. isolated from Eucommia ulmoides Oliv" | 03:45 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Structure%20identification%20and%20fermentation%20characteristics%20of%20pinoresinol%20diglucoside%20produced%20by%20Phomopsis%20sp.%20isolated%20from%20Eucommia%20ulmoides%20Oliv.pdf | 03:45 |
| cathalgarvey | Awesome! | 03:47 |
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| gene_hacker | how long do you think we'll be able to keep paperbot a secret? | 03:54 |
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| cathalgarvey | I gotta say.. | 04:00 |
| cathalgarvey | I think it's a bit reckless to respond to "Prosecutor drives hacker to suicide over downloading paywalled articles" with "Provide means to download paywalled articles using my real name, on a heavily trafficked mailing list". | 04:00 |
| cathalgarvey | I think anyone going down the "Let a thousand Aaron Swartzs' bloom!" route should consider creating architectures that scrape, aggregate, disseminate or accept submissions through Tor. | 04:01 |
| cathalgarvey | Given that most scrapers I've seen use some level of Javascript, | 04:01 |
| cathalgarvey | I suggest that the bridging software be named "JSTOR" | 04:02 |
| cathalgarvey | Credit for that terrible yet faith-restoring pun belongs with a friend of mine, I should add, not me. | 04:02 |
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| nsh | cathalgarvey, yup | 04:05 |
| nsh | that's the plan i think | 04:05 |
| nsh | or part of the plan | 04:06 |
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| eudoxia | well the logs here are public | 04:09 |
| eudoxia | so keeping paperbot a secret, well | 04:10 |
| eudoxia | no | 04:10 |
| cathalgarvey | That's what I meant; obviously people will set up secret paperbots, or anonymous paperbots.. but this one is clearly attributable | 04:10 |
| cathalgarvey | Are IRC logs kept on this channel? | 04:10 |
| eudoxia | gnusha.org/logs | 04:10 |
| eudoxia | also that mailing list, science-liberation-front, IANAL but isn't it kinda risky to discuss those things under your real name? | 04:11 |
| cathalgarvey | I wonder does the fifth amendment over there apply to your self-incriminating IRC logs.. | 04:11 |
| gene_hacker | yeah springer's probably going to find out one day | 04:11 |
| eudoxia | conspiracy to commit grand larceny? | 04:11 |
| * eudoxia goes back to watching law and order | 04:11 | |
| gene_hacker | I think I'll stick to google scholar for now | 04:12 |
| * eudoxia will get deported for comitting a patch to paperbot | 04:14 | |
| eudoxia | (future-deported, over a future, hypothetical patch) | 04:15 |
| cathalgarvey | I imagine git works through tor if you're concerned, but it's not the software design that gets you in trouble anyway | 04:15 |
| cathalgarvey | it's deployment | 04:15 |
| cathalgarvey | For example, the software they're discussing on SLF is designed for academics to scrape their own citations, but can easily be used for paperbot (and seemingly is) | 04:16 |
| cathalgarvey | the devs of that software won't get in trouble. The person who deploys it for unauthorised but worthy readers will get in trouble | 04:16 |
| eudoxia | brilliant | 04:16 |
| cathalgarvey | Likewise, talking about this stuff isn't illegal, hence my comfort being here under my own name! | 04:17 |
| eudoxia | re:the tor scraper, i suggest JS-TOR to avoid legal problems | 04:19 |
| eudoxia | tor.js is probably taken by that js implementation of tor | 04:20 |
| * archels wonders who's paying for diyhpl.us' bandwidth | 04:21 | |
| cathalgarvey | Took me a while to find that: http://www.jcore.fr/ | 04:26 |
| cathalgarvey | Ah, wait: https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor | 04:27 |
| cathalgarvey | First link was just a JS news site | 04:27 |
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| eleitl | I don't see how discussion is illegal. | 04:46 |
| eleitl | I also don't see how releasing code is illegal, though you can still use pseudonyms, of course, as a matter of good practice. | 04:47 |
| eleitl | eudoxia, link to tor.js? | 04:49 |
| eleitl | https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor ? | 04:50 |
| eudoxia | yes | 04:50 |
| eudoxia | tor.js would've been a much better name but what do i know | 04:50 |
| eleitl | Indeed. | 04:50 |
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| eleitl | I'm very impressed with your all activity, by the way. Major kudos. | 04:51 |
| eudoxia | you mean this channel or the wiki? | 04:52 |
| eleitl | the group around this channel | 04:52 |
| eleitl | I haven't seen the wiki yet | 04:52 |
| eudoxia | well there's http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ | 04:52 |
| eleitl | People who kick ass are rare. | 04:52 |
| eudoxia | also, what do you think about this list of cryopatients i compiled http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Cryonics#Patients | 04:53 |
| Mariu | nice | 04:53 |
| eleitl | Great work. I'll send it to Mike. | 04:54 |
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| audy | hey kanzure | 06:30 |
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| @kanzure | you guys have grown enormous vaginas over the past week, since when is discussion and theorizing and coding illegal? | 10:02 |
| @kanzure | like, you could drive a 787 through those vaginas | 10:03 |
| chido | ... | 10:03 |
| @kanzure | chido: not you :) | 10:03 |
| chido | :) | 10:03 |
| @kanzure | chido: in the us, a common derogatory is to call someone a pussy, so i called them a vagina. | 10:04 |
| nmz787 | wow | 10:07 |
| chido | I was just confused what prompted you to do it; not as much by the meaning | 10:07 |
| * chido reads the logs now | 10:07 | |
| @kanzure | well, it was the immediately preceding conversation | 10:08 |
| chido | it's been a few hours since; and I just got here :) | 10:10 |
| ParahSailin | who's being cowardly? | 10:11 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=01a8225c Bryan Bishop: add diybio-seattle people | 10:13 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e7cf3de5 Bryan Bishop: add anchors for links | 10:20 |
| archels | damn, this guy publishes a lot http://www.kyb.mpg.de/nc/employee/details/nikos.html#=3 | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | http://onlinebioreactor.org/ | 10:29 |
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| @kanzure | audy: yes? | 10:39 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is there a way to keyword search archive/wayback? | 10:41 |
| audy | kanzure does your bot just search for a link to a pdf file and download it? | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: no | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | audy: no, it's based on a few other tools | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | audy: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | audy: https://github.com/zotero/translators | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | audy: https://github.com/zotero/translation-server | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | underscor: actually, you would probably be better suited to answer nmz787's question about the wayback machine and search (above). | 10:43 |
| @kanzure | "Are you interested in trying to fix/hack a FACSCalibur flow cytometer? I have one that's missing the driver software and the interface card." | 10:53 |
| balrog | nmz787: keyword search? not really | 10:54 |
| balrog | you can keyword search against the url if you know the hostname, that's about it | 10:55 |
| balrog | http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/hostname/* | 10:55 |
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| archels | who is neuroskeptic? | 11:28 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: how would you like to fix a FACSCalibur flow cytometer? no interface card. | 11:36 |
| delinquentme | hah | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | do you have one? | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | and so I'd be wire sharking everything? | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | phil goetz has one and he's asking around for anyone interested | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | $? | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | phree? | 11:37 |
| ParahSailin | ill take it | 11:40 |
| * delinquentme thumb wrestles ParahSailin | 11:42 | |
| delinquentme | does you oscilloscope? | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | no thumb wrestling | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | the traditional way to decide this is a pipette battle to the death | 11:42 |
| chris_99 | heh | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | or a pipetting contest | 11:42 |
| ParahSailin | where is the thing located | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | near jcvi | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | Up close and personal: Alan Charning, UK PostDoc. World renowned pipette pro. His presence on any team is enough to titrate fear in the hearts of his opponents. | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | Merely having him at the lab bench has propelled the austere labs of Cambridge into a force to be reckoned with in the global pro-am wetlab circuit. | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | Swimming 2 miles every day, pumping through massive volumes of treacle syrup to increase training friction, performing hundreds of arm rep lifts per day, | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | and consuming the highlights of the world's literature cell biology output well into the night makes for little time for his wife, Brit, and their son, Watson, and daughter, Sabine. | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | As he prepares for his date with destiny this summer in Beijing, Alan understand the kind of expectations physicists, chemists, and biologists have heaped upon him. The bust of Cavendish that sits on his desk and the picture of Fleming on the wall remind him of the titans who preceded him. | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | Little did they know that one day, endorsement deals with Van Heusen, Dockers, and VWR Scientific would one day be the prizes of their intellectual progeny. | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | Some called it frivolous when Charning halted his cancer research career peers felt would eventually lead to a Nobel prize to instead perfect his legendary pipetting skills. His gold medal performance in the 3 liter medley in Oslo in 2005, 3 medals in the Helsinki Invitational in 2006, and, finally, the world record in dispensing over 3000 separate samples in a time of 5:02:03954 last year, | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | shattering Professor Jan Gulbricks of the Netherlands time by a massive 5 hundeths of a second, made his appearance on this years UK team a slam-dunk. | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | Wen asked what drives him onward, Alan adjusted his thick glasses, fumbled a bit with the glass tube in his hand, and cleared his throat. Tears welled in his eyes. | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | "My personal hero was Jesse Owens. In my own way, I'm doing my part to let the world know that Lab Science can be as rewarding as any other Olympic sport. We can create life on a competitive playing field and send it crawling off when we're done. The spoils don't go to the victors but to the storm drains that surround the venues we compete in. We're changing the world. I'm honored to be a part of it." | 11:44 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: where is the FACS? | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | near jcvi | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | there is some good shit in there that I would like | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | oh | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | screw that | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | tell those maryland diybio ppl | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | genoblast | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | i think that name is defunct now | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | buggssss or something | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups#baltimore | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | bugss. | 11:50 |
| delinquentme | ERMAGERD | 11:50 |
| delinquentme | where cake | 11:50 |
| @kanzure | http://www.bugssonline.org/ | 11:50 |
| delinquentme | ferncy | 11:51 |
| ParahSailin | dolan? | 11:51 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 11:53 |
| chris_99 | i'm making an electronic hydrometer, http://openhydrometer.com/about if anyones got any suggestions that'd be cool :) | 11:57 |
| delinquentme | wort | 12:02 |
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| chris_99 | tasty stuff ;) | 12:03 |
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| nmz787 | an instrument 100 times more powerful could do the same thing | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | why not spend 100 times more time to help me build one of those? | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | such as, spectroscopy? | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | :D | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | i'm not spending £1600 on a sensor :P | 12:11 |
| * nmz787 is kindof a science attentionfreak | 12:12 | |
| @kanzure | you should just tell jules that you're doing it in haskell and he'll do everything for you within 24 hours | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | nah it would be like $800-1200 USD for a raman spectroscopy setup | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | does that do ~2um? | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | done | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | nah, that's a diff but similar sensor | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | not $10 CCD, maybe $200 | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | i can't remember if that alibaba company ever got back to me | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | you can't use CCDs for alcohol | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | or CMOS | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | hence the £1600 | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/244326677/Focal_Plane_Arrays.html | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | raman is pretty crazy in that it uses laser to grab a fingerprint | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | still not long enough um though | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, you didnt answer the question on all the lense work ! | 12:15 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: ethanol? | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | essentially you've got these lenses to correct for the distortion of the prism .. and re-linearize the spectrum? | 12:15 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: no | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | mm, nmz787 it's around 2um that you need to look at iirc | 12:16 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: mirrors | 12:16 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: ethanol is what you're interested in? | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | yes | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: it would be nice if you could do a writeup at some point of where you got stuck on that project, or where it is curerently | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | because i keep forgetting | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | optics? | 12:17 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: see fig 9 http://www.perkinelmer.com/Content/ApplicationNotes/APP_RamanAnalysisTthrougGlassPolymerAqueous.pdf | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | hmm what i read said there was a trough at around 2um i thought | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | yeah that's absorbance though | 12:20 |
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| nmz787 | not raman scattering | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: which openSpectrometer? | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | yours | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | not the public laboratory one | 12:21 |
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| @kanzure | distributed routing of websockets http://blog.dotcloud.com/under-the-hood-dotcloud-http-routing-layer | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | ios debugging http://shopify.github.com/superdb/ | 12:31 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah i stopped a year ago beacause of classes | 12:33 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i got a bit stuck because i don't know where to get the best mount for the grating | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | i was building one in sketchup for the makerbot | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | but i thought why prototype with this if it's not the best material | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | i might try my hand at it again though | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | unless jblake can help | 12:35 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2984263.pdf | 12:35 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ebf5b63f9921fb575d0c1ec184588aea.txt | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | hmm that one might require cookies? | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2984263.pdf?acceptTC=true | 12:36 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dcc215f1e6e848487c859acf29fab769.pdf | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | derptastic | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | yeah that one worked | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2984263 | 12:36 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7ea2217596b5bb2ff55af679de9088a2.txt | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | oh. | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | the zotero translator for jstor is broken? | 12:37 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/362448.pdf?acceptTC=true | 12:39 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6047313d4f920220db95e2f4fc02ec27.pdf | 12:39 |
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| yash-phone | kanzure which jcvi is the facs near? apparently there's twp | 13:14 |
| yash-phone | two* | 13:14 |
| yash-phone | and if it's the la jolla one we could totally snag it for the diybio lab | 13:15 |
| @kanzure | he just sent out another email, he paid $1100 for it | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | not sure what the going rate on it is | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | no it's not near la jolla | 13:17 |
| Juul | kanzure, thanks | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | Juul: hm? | 13:17 |
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| @kanzure | cathalgarvey: welcome back | 13:19 |
| Juul | you linked me to the Aaron Swartz hackathon post | 13:19 |
| yash-phone | new ones are 65k apparently | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | Juul: ah. you should join science-liberation-front too. | 13:19 |
| cathalgarvey | @kanzure Hello again! | 13:19 |
| Juul | kanzure, yeah just did :) | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | yash-phone: hm, so i guess it might be worth buying it from him? | 13:19 |
| Juul | hey cathalgarvey | 13:19 |
| yash-phone | depends if they part out the missing pieces, and what the hell we'd use it for | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | yash-phone: well, we know it's missing any sort of computer hookup | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | an entire "interface card" is not present | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | and the device has not been tested or confirmed working | 13:20 |
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| yash-phone | that seems important, but presumably it's not the expensive part | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | what is the expensive part anyway? | 13:21 |
| yash-phone | could use it for isolating MSCs from fat I guess | 13:21 |
| yash-phone | lazer probably, also optics and microfluidics | 13:21 |
| yash-phone | whole lotta miniaturized components w/ very tight tolerances | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | well. someone needs to take care of it. | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | where should i tell phil to send it? | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | cathalgarvey: can you update us on what's up? | 13:27 |
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| cathalgarvey | @kanzure: Generally speaking? | 13:28 |
| cathalgarvey | @kanzure: Assuming you're just asking about my end of the DIYbio pond, I'm having a slow year so far for personal/family reasons (nothing serious, just time consuming) | 13:30 |
| cathalgarvey | And more broadly I'm having minor teething issues with a prototype. Largely due to folding 5' UTRs and somehow designing it with an imaginary promoter. | 13:30 |
| cathalgarvey | That's what I get for clicking "order" before even checking if the promoter I copy/pasted even had an effing TATAA box... | 13:31 |
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| ParahSailin | no its just a flow cyte, not a cell sorted < yash-phone> could use it for isolating MSCs from fat I guess | 13:37 |
| ParahSailin | sorter | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | sciencemag.org scraper https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/browse_thread/thread/1877ffc90c13db30 | 13:59 |
| balrog | ha, where did this come from? | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | josiah zayner found it on pastebin | 14:06 |
| jrayhawk | it fell off a truck | 14:07 |
| sivoais | similarly <http://aaronsw.archiveteam.org/> | 14:09 |
| sivoais | JSTOR liberator | 14:09 |
| cathalgarvey | Bye all! | 14:11 |
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| @kanzure | springerlink ebook downloader https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/b211b34f4ee5112e | 14:11 |
| @kanzure | sciencedirect ebook downloader https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/dc22fec882c5fe2 | 14:11 |
| sivoais | Nice mailing list. It is similar to what I'm trying to do with one of my projects. | 14:13 |
| @kanzure | list of ezproxy urls https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/8045091d8d755bad | 14:25 |
| sivoais | kanzure: these proxies are open? | 14:28 |
| @kanzure | no | 14:29 |
| sivoais | Ah, OK. | 14:29 |
| sivoais | there may be more proxies that can be extracted through the LibX browser extension. | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | what is libx? | 14:32 |
| sivoais | <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibX> | 14:32 |
| sivoais | It an extension from Virginia Tech, but they publish special editions for different universities. | 14:33 |
| @kanzure | they um.. seem to be using cvs :( | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | cvs -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs login | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | cathalgarvey had an interesting idea | 14:36 |
| @kanzure | he says instead of paperbot someone should do a twitterbot based on paperbot | 14:36 |
| @kanzure | it would monitor the twitter feeds for pdf requests | 14:36 |
| @kanzure | and then it would download the paper and post it somewhere public | 14:37 |
| sivoais | much like <http://www.reddit.com/r/scholar>, but automated | 14:37 |
| @kanzure | no, much like paperbot | 14:37 |
| sivoais | well, that subreddit is for requesting papers | 14:38 |
| @kanzure | so what | 14:38 |
| sivoais | Well, one could also automate the response to those requests, just as paperbot does | 14:39 |
| @kanzure | except that reddit is fucking evil | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | heh | 14:40 |
| sivoais | yes, it does not foster the best conversations/communities | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | i don't think reddit is a long term solution for hosting pdfs | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | or for automation | 14:41 |
| sivoais | what do you think about a P2P system? | 14:41 |
| @kanzure | btw could you possibly extract the ezproxy urls from libx? i don't really want to run cvs at the moment. | 14:42 |
| sivoais | I'll give it a go | 14:42 |
| @kanzure | and then submit a pull request to https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls ? | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | aww i missed cathal | 14:45 |
| balrog | a reddit scraper for that subreddit wouldn't be a bad thing | 14:45 |
| @kanzure | probably not | 14:45 |
| nmz787 | so i'm gonna sign up for CMU non-deg reg | 14:47 |
| @kanzure | what are the cmu requirements? | 14:48 |
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| paperPimp | kanzure: not much | 14:48 |
| paperPimp | term, year | 14:48 |
| @kanzure | haha paperpimp | 14:48 |
| paperPimp | course of interest | 14:48 |
| paperPimp | http://www.cmu.edu/hub/registration/non-degree/non-degree-guide.pdf | 14:49 |
| paperPimp | 2nd to last page needs printed and mailed | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | mailed? not even faxed or emailed? | 14:49 |
| jrayhawk | The bookwarez community has historically been reasonably effective. | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | libgen is still only seeded by 1 guy | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | how is that effective? | 14:50 |
| balrog | bookwarez? good luck with an obscure book that vanished when MU died | 14:51 |
| balrog | I've run into that. | 14:51 |
| rigel | MU? | 14:53 |
| @kanzure | i wonder how i can convince people to start a release group | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | release groups used to be glorified | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | mess with the best, die like the rest, and such.. | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | there should be release groups for journals | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | and they should be one-upping each other | 14:54 |
| jrayhawk | ansi art packs and demoscenes can be replaced by TeX and postscript hacks | 14:56 |
| balrog | megaupload | 14:56 |
| @kanzure | megaupload is not a release group | 14:59 |
| balrog | no | 15:00 |
| balrog | I meant that people would post ebooks to megaupload and similar sites and now they're gone | 15:00 |
| balrog | (someone asked what is MU) | 15:00 |
| paperPimp | did anyone mess with that Tyler thing? | 15:02 |
| paperPimp | who here has all JSTOR now? | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | that "tyler" thing was just a retroshare dump of the jstor torrent, which only had 18,000 articles out of millions. | 15:02 |
| rigel | has anyone put the content of these torrents up on usenet binaries? | 15:03 |
| paperPimp | can we use this name to mirror paperbot albeit with a more verbose argument structure? | 15:03 |
| rigel | because if not, someone really should | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | paperPimp: what argument structure do you propose? | 15:03 |
| paperPimp | paperPimp: can you fetch this paper for me big daddy http://www.paperhost.com/best.pdf | 15:03 |
| paperPimp | i guess whatever stuff people say regularly to pimps | 15:04 |
| paperPimp | all i know is the girls call him big daddy | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | rigel: i haven't seen any related usenet activity | 15:04 |
| paperPimp | I learned that from a southpark episode | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | paperPimp: you make for a pretty bad pimp | 15:04 |
| paperPimp | i guess paperpimp should be the name for the campus proxy master | 15:05 |
| paperPimp | since the proxies would be the 'bitches' doing the work in this fantasy | 15:05 |
| balrog | rigel: most people don't have access to usenet thanks to Attorney General Cuomo | 15:05 |
| rigel | please refrain from mapping your misogynist fantasies onto the business of making science more free | 15:06 |
| rigel | kthx | 15:06 |
| rigel | balrog: not so much for people to get from directly | 15:06 |
| rigel | but savvy users who can start their own torrents | 15:06 |
| balrog | ah well yeah | 15:07 |
| rigel | personally, i download all my legal binary content from usenet | 15:07 |
| rigel | most servers have like 3 years worth of retention these days | 15:07 |
| balrog | but that costs subscription fees :/ | 15:07 |
| rigel | $12/mo is less than cable | 15:07 |
| paperPimp | what can you get on there? | 15:08 |
| paperPimp | how does it work? | 15:08 |
| paperPimp | central server somewhere? | 15:08 |
| rigel | no, usenet is a distributed network of nodes originally used for coordinating the department of agriculture's fee payment systems | 15:09 |
| rigel | one of the earliest p2p experiments | 15:09 |
| rigel | in 1992 it was hijacked by a hacker named "captain midnight" and turned into a filesharing operation | 15:10 |
| rigel | at the time there wasn't much to share except text files and credit card numbers | 15:10 |
| rigel | but once mp3s came along, it sort of became the predecessor of friendster | 15:10 |
| rigel | though they were more likely to use sony's ATRAC encoding, which made them a little oddball | 15:11 |
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| rigel | the command-and-control structure has basically been the prototype for most of the modern botnets though | 15:12 |
| paperPimp | command and control? | 15:12 |
| rigel | youre kind of new to this, huh. not that that's a problem. | 15:13 |
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| @kanzure | most botnets these days are controlled through irc | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | huh | 15:13 |
| rigel | everything i just said was completely made up, btw | 15:13 |
| rigel | i didnt realize that's who you were. i just had an issue with the nickname | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | so usenet is restricted in some places? | 15:13 |
| rigel | yes, a lot of servers stopped carrying binaries | 15:14 |
| jrayhawk | that was beautiful | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | thought you said it was p2p | 15:14 |
| rigel | if you couldnt be arsed to at least wikipedia it, well | 15:15 |
| juri_ | kanzure: you never did answer my question. you've got about a week to come up with something, or i'm going to start building my trinary microscope. | 15:15 |
| rigel | jrayhawk: ? | 15:15 |
| nmz787 | juri_: ? | 15:15 |
| nmz787 | rigel: sorry maybe later | 15:15 |
| yash-phone | nmz787: ? | 15:15 |
| nmz787 | i need to do schoolwork | 15:15 |
| nmz787 | yash-phone: ? | 15:15 |
| jrayhawk | rigel: the usenet DoA explanation | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: ? | 15:15 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk: ? | 15:16 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: wait that was false? | 15:16 |
| yash-phone | ?: ? | 15:16 |
| rigel | thanks. i'm pretty proud of coming up with that on the fly | 15:16 |
| rigel | it's the details that matter, too | 15:16 |
| nmz787 | aww | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET | 15:16 |
| rigel | captain midnight was the guy who first pirated HBO in like 1982 | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | learn you some respect | 15:16 |
| rigel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Midnight_%28HBO%29 | 15:17 |
| rigel | 86, sorry | 15:17 |
| rigel | not pirated, jammed satellite | 15:18 |
| rigel | i just knew it had something to do with hbo | 15:18 |
| rigel | MY RECALL IS NOT AS GOOD AS I WOULD LIKE | 15:18 |
| nmz787 | anyone here know about debye-huckel? | 15:18 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.eifl.net/licensing | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | "In 2011, we enabled our partner libraries to save an estimated US$175 million in subscription fees, and we achieved an average discount of over 97%." | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | http://www.eifl.net/browse-licensed-e-resources-vendor | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if EIFL would be interested in licensing to a micronation | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | quick! i need a plausible micronation name. | 15:39 |
| nsh | hah | 15:44 |
| nsh | i've thought this many times before | 15:44 |
| balrog | btw: I'm convinced that at least some publishers put invisible tracking watermarks into pdfs | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | why is there a picture of aaron in a tree? http://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008#page/n0/mode/2up | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | balrog: yeah, i think we should be looking for that | 15:46 |
| @kanzure | i looked at nature and sciencedirect and found no evidence | 15:46 |
| @kanzure | (from multiple universities) | 15:46 |
| @kanzure | but it would be useful to look at other publishers | 15:46 |
| balrog | I know some use a very visible watermark | 15:47 |
| balrog | containing either the uni name, or that and the IP as well | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | right | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | i was thinking it would be nice to collect samples | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | so that we can write unit tests for a future not-yet-existing watermark removal framework | 15:47 |
| balrog | I'm told IEEE used to but they don't appear to anymore | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | i wrote up what i know about watermarks here, | 15:48 |
| balrog | is there a wiki for this stuff? | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/browse_thread/thread/c68964cf55d8f6fa | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | you are very welcome to use diyhpl.us wiki | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | for push access, ssh newuser@diyhpl.us | 15:49 |
| balrog | easy solution for graphics-only papers: pdfimage, repack | 15:49 |
| balrog | pdfimages* | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | sure. but talking about it is no good. write a small program to do that. | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | and then tell people about its existence. | 15:49 |
| nsh | +1 | 15:53 |
| nmz787 | kanzure what if the proxy was just a virus, then you wouldn't have to clean the watermark | 15:53 |
| nmz787 | the user leaking it would have been victim, so could deny involvement?? | 15:53 |
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| balrog | so far I've just been doing things in an interactive shell; might write up some py scripts though | 15:54 |
| nmz787 | i dunno where this would live though | 15:54 |
| nmz787 | the server | 15:55 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: virus? | 17:02 |
| juri_ | bad bad idea. | 17:24 |
| sivoais | yeah, but with pdfimages you lose all that text goodness (not that PDF is a great format in which we should pour all our scientific knowledge) | 17:26 |
| juri_ | you probably want a pdf scrubbing application. custom written. | 17:26 |
| juri_ | something like a pdflint. | 17:27 |
| sivoais | yeah, something that identifies the offending object streams | 17:27 |
| juri_ | clamAV? | 17:27 |
| juri_ | clam is already smart enough to take apart executable formats, and recognise bad snippets. | 17:27 |
| juri_ | its got an update mechanism.. | 17:28 |
| sivoais | one could probably train a classifier, but it'll only be as good as the training data | 17:28 |
| juri_ | plus, the code would have a 'valid' use of helping someone clean licensed material from their machine. | 17:28 |
| juri_ | flagging files. | 17:28 |
| @kanzure | sivoais: you can just edit the pdf file directly. most of the ip address text is injected as a separate object. | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | oh i see what you mean.. add a signature in clamav to detect those strings. haha. | 17:30 |
| juri_ | yepyep. | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | you don't need to train a classifier; there's <200 publishers so there's a limited number of strings that you would have to manually find and add to the system. | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | yeah it would be interesting to run a license-sniffer on a corporate machine to see just how many pdfs were downloaded outside of the corporate network | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | interesting in the sense that it is evl | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | *evil | 17:31 |
| juri_ | well, its easy to add clamAV to a mail server. | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | "Because of the latest aaronsw issue, you want the best for your company. Run this sniffer software to determine how many pdfs you have allegedly downloaded that are not authorized." | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | you could probably sell that for quite a bit to the legal departments at oil companies, nike, etc. | 17:32 |
| sivoais | I've been working on information extraction from PDFs recently, so this would be a good extension of that. | 17:32 |
| juri_ | sell the service, not the software. | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | oh right, as a service. sure. | 17:32 |
| juri_ | the service of taking all those PDFs off of their hands.. ;) | 17:33 |
| @kanzure | right | 17:34 |
| juri_ | it would probably also be useful for corporate compliance, to make sure your employees are not refering to documents that may be the property of another company. | 17:34 |
| juri_ | think intel VS amd VS nvidia. | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | although i imagine most use falls under fair use | 17:35 |
| sivoais | heh, <http://neuroconscience.com/2013/01/16/join-papester-collective-1-0-how-to-reply-to-icanhazpdf-in-3-seconds/> | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | too bad it still requires manual intervention | 17:40 |
| @kanzure | it should be a twitter client that a user runs | 17:40 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: welcome back | 17:59 |
| yashgaroth | man I was like 'it's bullshit they call it a FACS since half of that acronym is "cell sorting"' but apparently BD owns the term FACS so I guess they can do whatever | 18:00 |
| yashgaroth | but yeah without cell sorting it's kinda useless for anything but blood cancer analysis and testing drug effects on cell cultures | 18:01 |
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| nmz787 | unless you wanted to screw with it and hack in sorting yashgaroth | 18:12 |
| yashgaroth | I wish you the best of luck with that | 18:13 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:18 |
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| nmz787 | that's what i would try to do if it made it around my way | 18:22 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.google.com/patents?id=hF2jAAAAEBAJ | 18:40 |
| nmz787 | sweet | 18:40 |
| nmz787 | Nucleic acid sequencing by Raman monitoring of uptake of nucleotides during molecular replication | 18:40 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.berlinhome.net/Snooperscope/SnooperScope-Home.html | 18:51 |
| nmz787 | Through simulation and physical experimentation, we have shown that under ideal conditions it is possible to remotely propel an untethered magnetic probe through a fluid-filled tube using actuators located a significant (8-inch) distance away. | 18:51 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder what would happen if all libraries simultaneously decided to disable authentication on ezproxy | 18:57 |
| JayDugger | That seems unlikely. | 18:59 |
| JayDugger | No one could do work from home, and I don't think it would take long for "legitimate" users to complain. | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | no, i mean they would enable authentication-less access | 19:00 |
| JayDugger | Oh, sorry. | 19:00 |
| JayDugger | Still quite sleepy. | 19:00 |
| JayDugger | Would they realistically have that option? How would they manage that? | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | it's an option in the config file | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | Okay. Your knowledge of it far exceeds mine. I'll have to understand it better before I can ask worthwhile questions. | 19:02 |
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| nmz787 | this spectrometer has games in its menu system http://web.pdx.edu/~atkinsdb/teach/427/App-Biowave.pdf | 19:25 |
| nmz787 | spectroblocks | 19:25 |
| nmz787 | aka tetris | 19:25 |
| nmz787 | and su doku | 19:25 |
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| nmz787 | and you can't even plug a USB flash stick into it to save data | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | wtf | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | who builds this crap | 19:27 |
| ThomasEgi | be glad it's not the grindhouse wetware guys.. | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | psh | 20:01 |
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| superkuh | Two weeks of JSTOR, username: Zadartrial, password: trial13zadar , from http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/comments/16pylo/my_university_has_been_granted_of_a_two_week/ | 20:36 |
| @kanzure | wouldn't they turn it off after more than ten ip addresses use it | 20:38 |
| superkuh | We'll find out quickly. | 20:38 |
| superkuh | It isn't off yet. | 20:41 |
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| superkuh | There isn't very much "Science/Mathematics" coverage with it. | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | there's one or two "methods in molecular biology" things. | 21:09 |
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| @kanzure | ""Perforce," the name of an AMD internal database containing the AMD's technology and development of the company's process and product, were also added to external drives." | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | nice. i want the amd perforce dump. someone get this for me. it can be a birthday present. | 21:42 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, whos dump are we talking about | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | some people at amd left and took the perforce (version control repo) with them | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | I've wondered about VC in big companies before | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | they rolled their own I take it? | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | no, perforce is not made by amd | 21:57 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how would i easily list all the files in dir on the server in javascript? | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: have you ever used jwplayer? | 22:22 |
| @kanzure | yes i've used jwplayer | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | javascript can do xhr requests, if that's what you're asking. | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | no dude | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | i have no idea what xhr is | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | i'm looking at this http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/forums/jw-player/using-playlists/6534/autogenerate-playlist-from-folder/ | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | this is a bunch of bash stuff | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | not javascript | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | php | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | loks like | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | ah you're right, i didn't look closely | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | how can i do that in js? | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | "Autogenerate playlist from folder?" | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | well, you can use nodejs which has access to the file system | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | how do i do that? | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | is that ust a <script src=URL> | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | just a* | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | nodejs doesn't run in a browser | 22:26 |
| juri_ | jwplayer fails on my browsers, spitting out a URL. very handy. | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | can you explain the exact situation that you need to do this on? | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | can i just enumerate all the files in the same dir as the HTML file being viewed? | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | using javascript to generate a playlist of all files in that dir? | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | you can have an endpoint on your webserver that returns a list of files | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | no i cant | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | i can't install anything there | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | why not? | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | and no ssh access | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | because it's more of a fileserver | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | are the filenames sequential? | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | no | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | do you know the filenames? | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | if i browse to the dir in the chrome URL bar i can see the files | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | okay. you could generate some json from that and then make the javascript use that json information to play each one. | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | what does this have to do with javascript or jwplayer though? | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | do you want to just download the files instead? | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | so i could have a page that somehow gets that file list? | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | NO | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | can you show me the page? | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | i want my dad to be able to go to a page, enter usernam and pass, and see whatever media i put there | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | and you can't upload files? | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | he won't navigate, copy the URL, then paste it into VLC | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | yes i can upload | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | is he using a recent browser? | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | that's why i wanted to put an HTML file on there and have jwplayer in a container | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | sure | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | chrom | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | ok well if you don't want to do any server-side application, | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | one idea that comes to mind is to include the videos directly in the page | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | <audio><source src="data:audio/wav;base64,UklGRhwMAABXQVZFZm10IBAAA...." /></audio> | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | example: http://iandevlin.com/html5/data-uri/video.php | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | you could also upload the videos to youtube, and just use the youtube javascript api to show a playlist | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | how does this look http://www.daniweb.com/web-development/javascript-dhtml-ajax/threads/144152/how-to-list-all-files-in-a-folder-including-subfolder-files | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | that's for the client's file system | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | not the server's | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | also it uses ActiveX, which is internet explorer only and evil | 22:34 |
| nmz787 | no man, i want to just drop a lil file that parses the file list and generates a list to click and load into jwplayer | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | well, you said you weren't interested in a server application | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | would you be okay with generating that file that includes jwplayer before you upload? | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | the second code block is client file sys too??? | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | no | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | XML.GetFile doesn't sound like a standard thing to me | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | yeah saying not defined | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | how do i do that with jquery or something | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | isn't grabbing a web page a standard thing | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | no | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | "The XML.getFile function below just wraps and XMLHTTPRequest." | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | i mean, no it is not a standard thing in javascript | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | isn't it in jquery? | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | http://theo.cc/blog/2012/11/javascript-list-directory-contents-with-apache-indexes/ | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | or ajax | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | no, it's not in jquery. ajax is more of a concept btw. | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | shouldn't this be a 1 line thing to get the dir list | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | you can call that function with 1 line, sure.. | 22:40 |
| nmz787 | this http://stackoverflow.com/a/104408/253127 | 22:40 |
| nmz787 | ? | 22:40 |
| nmz787 | so can't you help me with it? i thought this was your domain | 22:41 |
| @kanzure | no you should use http://theo.cc/blog/2012/11/javascript-list-directory-contents-with-apache-indexes/ | 22:41 |
| @kanzure | the stackoverflow link you just gave me is about basic xhr | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | $.get('/dads/', {}, $.function{content}); | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | that didn't work | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | what's the callback? | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | hmm, that link you sent isn't working | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | the link isn't working, or the javascript isn't working? | 22:47 |
| nmz787 | pasting their code into the chrome console doesnt work | 22:50 |
| @kanzure | are you on your server's url? | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | yes | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | do you have jquery included on the page? | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | after i paste in the functions it says undefined | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | i use this bookmarklet to randomly inject jquery into pages when i'm futzing around: | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | http://www.learningjquery.com/2009/04/better-stronger-safer-jquerify-bookmarklet/ | 22:52 |
| nmz787 | in grey text | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | yes, undefined is correct | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | defining a function does not return a value, it's undefined | 22:52 |
| nmz787 | then i paste in the ls function, and i try calling it and it says not defined | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | yes, their code sorta sucks | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | it returns an undefined value immediately because javascript is asynchronous | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | the actual result happens in the callback | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | but i paste the function into the console | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | so you'll have to hack their code up to pass an actual callback that you want | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | why can't i call it afterwards? | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | what? | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | ... | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | have you written javascript callbacks before? | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | i paste the ls function into the console | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | yes. it should return undefined immediately. | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | then i write ls('') | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | and it spits out in red | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | ReferenceError: ls is not defined | 22:54 |
| nmz787 | how do i import jquery in the console? | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | i like to use this bookmarklet: | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | http://www.learningjquery.com/2009/04/better-stronger-safer-jquerify-bookmarklet/ | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | here's an example of it working: | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ls.html | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | copy paste this http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.min.js | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | in the console on this page type: ls("/~bryan/irc/") | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | no.. copying/pasting jquery is sorta silly in this case :P | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | at worst, you would add some dom elements that load the remote cdn hosted copy of jquery | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | like this: http://www.brandonmartinez.com/2011/04/23/inject-jquery-onto-any-site/ | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | but realistically the bookmarklet idea is more useful in the long-run | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | and how do i call ls from the body of the HTML? | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | $ls() | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | no. you would have to rewrite the ls function to do what you want. | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | right now it passes a rather useless callback to the xhr. you would presumably want to rewrite it to populate a list of things for jwplayer or something. | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | how do I call ANY javascript function from the body of HTML? | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | depends on how you want to hook it up.. when someone clicks a button? when the page is done loading? | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | when the page is done loading i guess | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | then you want this: http://api.jquery.com/ready/ | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | you'll want to call jwplayer("whatever").setup({}) inside the callback that you pass either to ls or to the thing that you are writing to replace ls | 23:08 |
| nsh | kanzure, you know of http://opendoar.org/search.php and http://www.worldcat.org/search? i presume? | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | i know that worldcat is evil, if that's what you're asking | 23:47 |
| nsh | haven't used it | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | it's oclc | 23:47 |
| nsh | .wik oclc | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | http://aaronsw.com/weblog/oclcscam | 23:48 |
| nsh | (do you want yoleaux in here?) | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | it seems like a well behaved bot.. we can try it. | 23:48 |
| nsh | 404 | 23:48 |
| nsh | :/ | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | already? sbp isn't doing his job. | 23:49 |
| nsh | i don't think he's doing anything yet. not sure why the page would be gone though.. | 23:49 |
| @kanzure | nsh: it's this document, http://archive.is/YjCf | 23:51 |
| @kanzure | context: oclc runs worldcat.. he seems to mention this. | 23:52 |
| nsh | reading | 23:52 |
| nsh | ah ok | 23:53 |
| nsh | usual story | 23:53 |
| nsh | someone turned a library into a business | 23:53 |
| nsh | and fail happened | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | oclc controls all libraries | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | i don't think you understand | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | https://raw.github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/master/urls.txt | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | they own dewey decimal. they own interlibrary loan. | 23:54 |
| nsh | maybe someone should own them... | 23:55 |
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| @kanzure | nsh: ownership isn't the issue of course | 23:55 |
| @kanzure | i'm trying to point out that it isn't "a" library | 23:56 |
| * nsh nods | 23:57 | |
| nsh | i was using the verb own in a particular sense | 23:57 |
| nsh | oclc would be a good target freelance security auditors | 23:58 |
| nsh | :) | 23:58 |
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