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| kanzure | "Bryan - great to see you involved in the EastBay DIYBio group, I promise you we'll be fun and edgy ;)" | 00:14 |
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| kanzure | hmmm | 00:14 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qM0znv70IA#t=20s | 00:20 |
| kanzure | .title | 00:20 |
| yoleaux | A look behind the scenes: how a KUKA robot is built - YouTube | 00:20 |
| brownies | are fun and edgy really the primary desired qualities of a biohacking group? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | brownies: "EAST BAY STYLE" | 00:21 |
| kanzure | brownies: yeah i'm not sure if they mean a normal amount of edgy, or something that i would consider edgy. the latter is of course much more fascinating. | 00:22 |
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| brownies | i've never thought of you as very edgy | 00:24 |
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| kanzure | brownies: my style of edgy would be "pack your bags, we're doing viral gene therapy next week" or "pack your bags, we have a live human brain that we're supporting through a series of arduino-powered organ chambers and we need some assistance, yo" | 00:27 |
| kanzure | this promo video is so over-the-top | 00:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgA396HOr4Q | 00:29 |
| kanzure | .title | 00:29 |
| yoleaux | KUKA Image Movie 2012 - (English Version) - YouTube | 00:29 |
| brownies | that's pretty edgy bro. | 00:32 |
| kanzure | is it? | 00:32 |
| kanzure | wait what are we supposed to be optimizing for with edginess? | 00:33 |
| brownies | who knows | 00:33 |
| brownies | this video is epic though | 00:33 |
| kanzure | it sounds like he is talking through a mustache? i'm not even sure. | 00:33 |
| kanzure | hahah | 00:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knfz77HE8iI | 00:39 |
| kanzure | .title | 00:39 |
| yoleaux | Equipment Autopsy - KUKA Robot Part 12 - YouTube | 00:39 |
| kanzure | i didn't know that thegeekgroup had a kuka arm in their facility | 00:39 |
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| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGLUDUdJvYM | 01:07 |
| kanzure | .title | 01:07 |
| yoleaux | Astronivo - Nature Of Destiny (Original Mix) - YouTube | 01:07 |
| brownies | is that another robot of yours? | 01:07 |
| brownies | is that the robot's whole job? | 01:08 |
| kanzure | no i think this is aaronsw's bot | 01:08 |
| brownies | seriously? | 01:08 |
| brownies | i do not see him naming a robot yoleaux | 01:08 |
| kanzure | i don't have the full story on it | 01:08 |
| kanzure | .botsnack 5 | 01:09 |
| yoleaux | :D | 01:09 |
| brownies | hm that looks like the old infogami logo http://infologie.co/ | 01:09 |
| brownies | isn't it odd, when people go, and they just leave this trail of stuff scattered about the internet? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | sbp was around in here the other day | 01:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/continuity | 01:10 |
| kanzure | "I designate Sean B. Palmer as my virtual executor to organize such things. (And if you delete anything, Sean, I will haunt you from the grave!)" | 01:10 |
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| brownies | yeah, at least he designated someone | 01:13 |
| kanzure | i think sbp put the bot in here | 01:13 |
| brownies | ah | 01:15 |
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| archels | kanzure: yoleaux is dpk's | 03:01 |
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| strangewarp | Hmmm. My productivity script says today is barf-green. | 07:30 |
| eudoxia | today is lazy day? | 07:32 |
| strangewarp | Today I'd like to... cram my DIY MIDI Keys project into its enclosure, and finish some modding work on a vintage drum machine. | 07:32 |
| strangewarp | My Dremel's battery is making the most annoying bottleneck. Holds 15 minutes of charge andtakes like 6 hours to recharge fully.. | 07:33 |
| eudoxia | but the productivity script has spoken! | 07:33 |
| chris_99 | haha how do you work out productivity strangewarp, i like that idea though | 07:33 |
| eudoxia | something about hashing the date and truncating the significant digits | 07:34 |
| strangewarp | Well, the color is basically arbitrary; it's just taken from the first 6 digits of an md5 hash of the current date. ;) The real productivity is tracked like a baseball pitcher's ERA score... | 07:34 |
| chris_99 | heh | 07:34 |
| strangewarp | http://breck.us/prod/index.php - Written in PHP 4.4 because my webhost is outdated. I plan to rewrite it in node.js/passport/bootstrap eventually. | 07:35 |
| strangewarp | Basically I've historically had problems with my productivity. Short periods of intense creation, and long periods of slacking. I made that script as an attempt to help me smooth out in that regard. | 07:36 |
| eudoxia | i still insist that it should determine planned productivity on the basis of past days' recorded productivity and the required-actual productivity divide | 07:40 |
| eudoxia | hasing the date is just... no | 07:41 |
| strangewarp | Well, you could do both. Hashing the date is more just for the sake of visually grouping tasks that were done on the same day. | 07:41 |
| strangewarp | I'll probably add a feature like that once Iget around to the rewrite. | 07:42 |
| strangewarp | My eventual goal is to rewrite this as a standalone Node.js program, with passport-based oauth login via Github/Twitter, so that other people can use it without having to join a stupid productivity website to do so. But before I do that I'm focuing on finishing up two pieces of gear, and then doing a blitz album of music over February. | 07:46 |
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| kanzure | zwoop: hello | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | railsocalypse continues http://blog.plataformatec.com.br/2013/01/security-announcement-devise-v2-2-3-v2-1-3-v2-0-5-and-v1-5-3-released/ | 11:11 |
| kanzure | "Using a specially crafted request, an attacker could trick the database type conversion code to return incorrect records. For some token values this could allow an attacker to bypass the proper checks and gain control of other accounts."" | 11:11 |
| kanzure | <3 devise | 11:11 |
| chris_99 | have you used django kanzure | 11:12 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | i'm just thinking of using it, having used things like Flask, as i'm wondering if it'd make my life a bit easier for DB stuff and form processing | 11:17 |
| kanzure | it does make your life easier | 11:18 |
| kanzure | but rails makes it even easier because of the large quantity of gems | 11:18 |
| kanzure | however, most of the gems are low quality; they will do exactly what you need, but the moment you need to modify them you will cry. | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | haha | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | i'm more used to python too really, never used ruby | 11:19 |
| kanzure | no that's not why gems are low quality | 11:46 |
| ParahSailin | something about ruby culture attracts unskilled people to pulish bad code? | 11:53 |
| kanzure | brownies can elaborate on the difficulties he has encountered with picking the right gems | 11:54 |
| ThomasEgi | the ability to write working code with no skill levle.. | 11:54 |
| ParahSailin | i have no familiarity with ruby, so i don't know how ruby could dummify coding to allow that | 11:57 |
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| ParahSailin | or the rails framework in particular does that? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: one of the fun joys of ruby is that you can re-open a class later and redefine critical components | 12:00 |
| kanzure | naturally, gems do this all the time to modify otherwise native types | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: can you help me assess the quality of http://expaper.cn/ or http://i-nobel.com/bbs/ ? are these piles of steaming crap? | 12:17 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: i passed on to the girlfriend | 12:49 |
| kanzure | aha so that is your secret! | 12:50 |
| kanzure | actually i wonder why that wasn't more obvious | 12:50 |
| kanzure | didn't she even directly tell me she was fluent-ish? | 12:50 |
| ParahSailin | lol she's a national | 12:51 |
| ParahSailin | but yeah im pretty decent myself | 12:51 |
| kanzure | i see some requests here http://www.expaper.cn/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43 | 12:52 |
| kanzure | and they seem to be selling proxies here? | 12:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.expaper.cn/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=125 | 12:54 |
| kanzure | "欧洲超高权" something about mega rights ? | 12:55 |
| ParahSailin | 权means approximately privileges | 12:56 |
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| kanzure | i think they are using SDxxxx to refer to the number of journals that the proxy has access to on sciencedirect | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | it looks like they have some currency system maybe, but i'm confused why it's not bitcoin | 13:00 |
| kanzure | how am i supposed to post articles for them? | 13:00 |
| kanzure | huh this one seems to claim that you can grab cookies after a single request, and then stop using ezproxy http://www.expaper.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=478 | 13:04 |
| ParahSailin | its just their forum account credit http://www.expaper.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4531&extra=page%3D1 | 13:08 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.expaper.cn/plugin.php?id=bank_ane:bank&bankid=3 | 13:09 |
| kanzure | so, why is this not bitcoins? | 13:09 |
| ParahSailin | forum karma works sufficiently? | 13:11 |
| kanzure | does it? so let's say that i can get anyone permanent access for $100. how does that work? | 13:12 |
| kanzure | "Bank President : admin info Bank Profile : actual capital 10161 , bank deposits 134,173 , user number of 101" | 13:13 |
| kanzure | "银行行长: admin,info银行简介: 实际资本 10161 ,银行存款 134173 ,用户数量 101" | 13:13 |
| kanzure | gah qq is terrible. i never set the "what is your spouse's name" question.. why is it asking me for this value. | 13:22 |
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| kanzure | hahah whaat "it appears that some versions of rails parsed JSON by first converting it to YAML then performing YAML.load" | 14:35 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rubyonrails-security/1h2DR63ViGo | 14:36 |
| kanzure | "Versions Affected: 2.3.x, 3.0.x " | 14:36 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5130631 | 14:37 |
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| kanzure | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9817855/Chinese-man-kept-alive-by-self-built-dialysis-machine.html | 14:54 |
| kanzure | "An intriguing example of DIYBio, as a necessity to stay alive without bankrupting oneself. Here a man built his own kidney dialysis machine at a fraction of the cost of what was available commercially, using common kitchen tools. " | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | "Mr Hu said his largest expense had been an outlay of £500 for his blood pump after he failed to make his own version and that each treatment now only costs him £6 in chemicals and replacement filters." | 14:57 |
| kanzure | ""When I told the doctors what I was doing, they said I was crazy," he added." | 14:57 |
| kanzure | "But each visit cost him £50 and the years of treatment exhausted his family's savings." | 14:58 |
| kanzure | hm so he only reduced it by a factor of 10 once | 14:58 |
| lolcat | kanzure: but still, why pay £50 for something worth £6 | 14:59 |
| kanzure | definitely. | 14:59 |
| lolcat | China has its own internet? | 15:03 |
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| lolcat | kanzure: can I biohack myself? | 15:04 |
| kanzure | what does "biohack myself" mean? | 15:05 |
| kanzure | if you are unfamiliar with non-institutional biology, see http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 15:05 |
| lolcat | I was thinking of improving my body in some fun way | 15:06 |
| kanzure | well, it depends on what you consider an improvement | 15:06 |
| kanzure | hacking does not necessarily mean improvement | 15:06 |
| kanzure | so your terminology seems a little weird | 15:07 |
| kanzure | have you considered steroids? | 15:07 |
| lolcat | Yes, insulin is dangerous and testosterone makes your testicles small | 15:07 |
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| lolcat | Hmm | 15:11 |
| lolcat | So is it more about plants and such? | 15:11 |
| kanzure | there are steroids other than those two. -_- | 15:12 |
| kanzure | what plants? | 15:12 |
| kanzure | are you a troll | 15:12 |
| lolcat | No | 15:13 |
| lolcat | I am just confused about this | 15:13 |
| kanzure | did you read the link? | 15:13 |
| lolcat | yes, at the bottom of the page now | 15:13 |
| lolcat | It was about methyl-amphetamine and bio-fuel | 15:13 |
| ThomasEgi | lolcat, drink beer. it'll grow you boobs. manboobs. | 15:14 |
| lolcat | why would I want that? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | there was only one mention of methamphetamine on that page | 15:14 |
| kanzure | please don't waste my time by lying to me | 15:14 |
| ThomasEgi | well you mentioned improving your body. | 15:14 |
| chris_99 | oh ThomasEgi i found a sensor that'd be suitable for my little device i think http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ams/TSL1410R/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMunxn%2f4XiYBQqbuY%2fBC3sebU1mA3EexsMY%3d | 15:14 |
| chris_99 | and it's just the right length | 15:14 |
| lolcat | at least two paragraphs | 15:15 |
| lolcat | Is ghb a steroid? | 15:15 |
| kanzure | that was just one section, read the others to figure out what non-institutional biology is. | 15:15 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, another idea i had.. using coils instead of magnets. | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | yeah ,that'd need a lot of coils though | 15:16 |
| ThomasEgi | nope. | 15:16 |
| ThomasEgi | not more than magnetometers | 15:16 |
| chris_99 | true | 15:16 |
| ThomasEgi | and coils are just a matter of winding a wire around some piece of plastic | 15:16 |
| chris_99 | hmm that is a posibility | 15:16 |
| chris_99 | i think the image sensor would give better accuracy though now | 15:16 |
| ThomasEgi | you could rectify the output. and messure the rectified voltage with a bunch of ADC inputs | 15:16 |
| ThomasEgi | well certainly better linearity. bit more tricky in the mechanical setup tho. | 15:17 |
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| ThomasEgi | the coil thing seems rather easy to build and robust. | 15:17 |
| kanzure | http://libgen.net/ seems to be down | 15:17 |
| kanzure | but http://libgen.org/ is still up | 15:17 |
| chris_99 | since i've got a load of hall effects i'll try that first then see what to do | 15:18 |
| kanzure | libgen on usenet http://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6769 | 15:18 |
| lolcat | kanzure: selv medication? | 15:18 |
| lolcat | What is the magic/more magic story? | 15:19 |
| kanzure | magic? | 15:19 |
| lolcat | I honestly don't think that biohackers (who lack a strong computer | 15:20 |
| lolcat | science hacking background) really grok hackerness yet. Honestly, try | 15:20 |
| lolcat | telling them the magic/more magic story and see if they get it. Then | 15:20 |
| lolcat | tell them the TV Typewriter story and see if they tell you about the | 15:20 |
| lolcat | time they did the same kind of thing when they were in Jr. High. | 15:20 |
| lolcat | doh | 15:20 |
| lolcat | stupid google grous | 15:20 |
| kanzure | link? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | anyway, that story is http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html | 15:21 |
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| kanzure | and the typewriter story is http://catb.org/jargon/html/tv-typewriters.html | 15:26 |
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| chris_99 | i like this story http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html | 15:33 |
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| strangewarp | chris_99: damn. wow. | 15:42 |
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| kanzure | chido: hi | 15:50 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867412014079 | 16:17 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/MeCP2%20Binds%20to%205hmC%20Enriched%20within%20Active%20Genes%20and%20Accessible%20Chromatin%20in%20the%20Nervous%20System.pdf | 16:18 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://pra.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v28/i2/p850_1 | 16:42 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cdd0419e2e4f18ba2ce77fdded0c6f82.txt | 16:42 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://pra.aps.org/pdf/PRA/v28/i2/p850_1 | 16:42 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fb01e4c23d540f4572f764869e37d9d0.txt | 16:43 |
| ThomasEgi | http://www.geekologie.com/2013/01/new-book-scanner-can-flip-and-scan-250-p.php now that thing looks promising. | 16:58 |
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| brownies | yes, 80% of gems are built by idiots | 17:39 |
| brownies | i hate web dev, etc, etc. | 17:39 |
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| kanzure | Juul: how did the noisebridge stuff go? | 18:31 |
| Juul | kanzure, i was there friday until 6 am saturday and very few people were there, mostly sudoroom folk. turns out it didn't really get started until saturday, and i had other plans then | 18:33 |
| brownies | was that the hackathon? | 18:34 |
| kanzure | brownies: i don't know, nobody reported anything that went on | 18:35 |
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| kanzure | majesticmajesty: hi | 20:05 |
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| majesticmajesty | kanzure: hi? | 20:14 |
| majesticmajesty | I am new here, not too sure what I am doing | 20:16 |
| kanzure | how did you get here? | 20:17 |
| majesticmajesty | I emailed you a couple days ago | 20:17 |
| majesticmajesty | my names nick | 20:18 |
| kanzure | ah i see, hi there | 20:19 |
| majesticmajesty | hey | 20:20 |
| majesticmajesty | so whats this chat for? | 20:20 |
| majesticmajesty | just talk about projects? | 20:21 |
| kanzure | yep | 20:21 |
| majesticmajesty | neat | 20:22 |
| majesticmajesty | whats in the works? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | nmz787 has http://openspectrometer.com/ in the works | 20:23 |
| kanzure | delinquentme has a pipetting automation riggup | 20:23 |
| kanzure | eleitl has a human cadaver preservation operation | 20:23 |
| kanzure | jmil has a reprap-based tissue printing machine | 20:25 |
| kanzure | other things, the list is pretty long | 20:25 |
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| majesticmajesty | ambitious | 20:26 |
| majesticmajesty | I'll have a look around | 20:28 |
| majesticmajesty | nice talking, bye | 20:28 |
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| zwoop | hi | 20:29 |
| kanzure | you should consider waiting arou--- argh. nobody believes in idling anymore. | 20:29 |
| zwoop | ^^ | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | mahoski_: hello | 20:35 |
| mahoski_ | hello | 20:35 |
| mahoski_ | i just felt inspired to join your channel again this evening. was amazed at the links to papers you shared a few days ago. | 20:36 |
| mahoski_ | why did i write that? must be bedtime. i'm out. | 20:50 |
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| kanzure | blah another anti-idler. | 21:00 |
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| strangewarp | avoiding idling makes people feel like the wind-spirits of ephemeral industriousness | 21:02 |
| strangewarp | it annoys me. | 21:02 |
| docl | idling -- the ultimate productivity tool | 21:50 |
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| nmz787 | hi | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | i saw chris_99 pinged me, but the last few times I've checked in, he hasn't been here :P | 22:19 |
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