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@kanzure | pdfparanoia discussion stuff: | 00:36 |
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@kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/o6irBNeCmrE | 00:36 |
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gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f89963c9 Bryan Bishop: list of modification projects | 01:29 |
@kanzure | "Hacked microbes introduced into oral microbiome to fight cavities" | 01:30 |
@kanzure | "Skin lighteningGENESLC24ASmulti billion $/year industry in Asia." | 01:30 |
@kanzure | "Straight hairGENEP2RY5 (?)grow straight hair. Multi billion $/year industry in US" | 01:31 |
@kanzure | his orgasmotron is dumb, you have to target the pedundal nerves not the spine -_- | 01:32 |
@kanzure | "Baby, this is a gene therapy that causes semen to sweeten like hot syrup. A gene mod to the Cowper’s gland that makes your semen contain a ton more fructose than normal. Perhaps also add other minor flavorings to round out the taste." | 01:33 |
@kanzure | eh. | 01:38 |
superkuh | What are you quoting from? | 01:39 |
@kanzure | the thing i added to diyhpluswiki.git | 01:39 |
@kanzure | it's from rich lee | 01:39 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications.csv | 01:41 |
superkuh | I don't think targeting the dorsal spinal nerve bundles is dumb. That's where stewart mallory (or however his name is spelled) did it with direct electrical stimulation in exploratory surgery for correcting chronic pain. | 01:42 |
@kanzure | chido has a few friends who are doing nerve stimulation for similar purposes, maybe she will drop a link to what their project actually is | 01:42 |
@kanzure | i don't see how the chronic pain is the same; is there any experimental evidence that this nerve bundle is the right one? i don't even know where the pedundal nerve loops back to. | 01:45 |
superkuh | sacral. | 01:45 |
superkuh | And yes. | 01:45 |
superkuh | I used to have the articles. | 01:46 |
superkuh | It was during exploratory surgery for electrical stimulation to correct chronic pain that the effect was found. | 01:47 |
superkuh | That's the only relation. | 01:47 |
@kanzure | "It originates in Onuf's nucleus in the sacral region of the spinal cord, and travels in the S2-S4 nerves of the sacral plexus." | 01:47 |
@kanzure | ah. | 01:47 |
superkuh | For male rats. | 01:47 |
superkuh | ? | 01:48 |
@kanzure | just quoting wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudendal_nerve | 01:48 |
superkuh | "Stuart Meloy" | 01:48 |
superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/journal/v300/n5/full/scientificamerican0509-22.html | 01:50 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Turn%20It%20Up%2C%20Dear.pdf | 01:50 |
superkuh | Eh, nevermind. Not very useful. | 01:51 |
@kanzure | why is there a picture of a anthropomorphic microcontroller smoking a cigarette in a nature publication | 01:52 |
superkuh | Between T9 and T10. | 01:52 |
@kanzure | sciam publication. oh that explains it. | 01:52 |
superkuh | Not in the sacral like the pudenal nerves. | 01:52 |
superkuh | http://www.google.com/patents/US20100222858 | 01:54 |
gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=0ef3debc Bryan Bishop: prevent a catastrophic error in paper retrieval | 01:56 |
gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 01:56 |
paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-07 09:56:15) | 01:56 |
superkuh | Unfortunately TMS of the spine is very variable with coil shape and placement due to the funky shape and changes in dielectric constant of the spine bone messing up the induced electrical field. | 01:56 |
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archels | superkuh: but TMS is magnetic induction. How does the permittivity come into play? | 01:58 |
superkuh | I don't know. That is what I read long ago. Thinking of it know I supposed it just makes the current paths from the induced field all twisted and inhomogeneous. | 02:00 |
superkuh | s/know/now/ | 02:00 |
superkuh | I am certain I read multiple papers about the failure of spinal magnetic stimulation with both pancake and butterfly coils. | 02:00 |
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superkuh | It's not that the electrical field is not induced. Just that the current density is unpredictable. | 02:02 |
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archels | right. H-field induces E-field, then E-field induces currents | 02:08 |
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nmz787 | http://www.google.com/patents/US7910292 | 02:42 |
nmz787 | "The present invention provides a lithographic process "...." The invention also discloses a reciprocating microengine (10) comprising a cylinder (14), piston (12) and crankshaft made by the process." | 02:42 |
nmz787 | the drawings SUCKASS though | 02:43 |
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ielo | fenn, hi | 03:47 |
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ManaLord | biohacking... hacking out the kidneys of people and selling them? is that what's going on in here? | 09:39 |
chris_99 | i hope not | 09:40 |
ManaLord | well, it's in the greeting-message... | 09:41 |
chris_99 | heh so it is | 09:41 |
ManaLord | but I'm more interested in the dimensions available for healthy people: like nootropics... | 09:42 |
chris_99 | mm, i think theres some people into that | 09:43 |
ManaLord | hmmm, I see, so what else, implanted android phones? | 09:44 |
ManaLord | at least that's probably where a lot of tech for biohacking will come out of... | 09:45 |
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@kanzure | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130204/12241621879/eu-commission-wants-more-copyright-licensing-not-creative-commons-fair-use.shtml | 10:47 |
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@kanzure | http://www.nature.com/news/researchers-opt-to-limit-uses-of-open-access-publications-1.12384 | 10:47 |
@kanzure | http://blog.okfn.org/2013/01/08/consequences-risks-and-side-effects-of-the-license-module-non-commercial-use-only-2/ | 10:47 |
@kanzure | for whatever reason, i sent the pdfparanoia announcement to a group of librarians | 11:04 |
@kanzure | and now they are quoting me silly regulations | 11:04 |
@kanzure | "The IEEE Academic license says we cannot " remove, obscure or modify in any way copyright notices, other notices or disclaimers that appear on Articles or eBooks or in the Licensed Products."" | 11:04 |
@kanzure | "I am guessing that this and other language in the license would be interpreted that modification to PDFs would not be acceptable. The IEEE license is pretty common of many of our licenses." | 11:04 |
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@kanzure | well, then don't use it sillyhead | 11:04 |
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@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590912006443 | 12:18 |
paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Loss%20of%20Dickkopf-1%20Restores%20Neurogenesis%20in%20Old%20Age%20and%20Counteracts%20Cognitive%20Decline.txt | 12:18 |
@kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=274143&_user=1694017&_pii=S1934590912006443&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=2013--07&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVlB-zSkWA&pid=1-s2.0-S1934590912006443-main.pdf&_valck=1&md5=c189654c6fd0d18dcecf6a2b280ef36b&ie=/sdarticle.pdf | 12:18 |
paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2aaf9554321254c97c3e42030a102efd.txt | 12:18 |
@kanzure | bah | 12:18 |
ParahSailin | http://www.eurekagenomics.com is hiring | 12:18 |
@kanzure | what do they want to hire | 12:19 |
ParahSailin | a guy who can program | 12:19 |
@kanzure | remote? | 12:19 |
ParahSailin | send resume in to vyfofanov@eurekagenomics.com | 12:20 |
ParahSailin | from time to time, people have worked remotely here | 12:20 |
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@kanzure | that's encouraging | 12:21 |
@kanzure | okay, email sent. | 12:21 |
ParahSailin | our indian guy spent a month over there last year, working remotely, and he had done that before when he had visa issues | 12:23 |
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ParahSailin | btw, eg is definitely looking for a guy to help out with web dev | 12:31 |
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ParahSailin | our sysadmin/webdev is pretty swamped at the moment | 12:32 |
@kanzure | same person? | 12:33 |
ParahSailin | well, its a small place | 12:34 |
ParahSailin | it's down to 5 people in this office as of today | 12:34 |
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@kanzure | "The Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC), or Dewey Decimal System, is a proprietary library classification system created by Melvil Dewey in 1876.[1] It has been revised and expanded through 23 major editions, the latest issued in 2011.[2]" | 12:48 |
@kanzure | so how is dewey decimal still in copyright? the older editions should be out of copyright. | 12:48 |
@kanzure | wow, ipython is much more active than i thought it would be | 13:00 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/ipython/ipython/issues | 13:00 |
@kanzure | 463 open issues, 2431 closed issues | 13:00 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/ipython/ipython/issues/1286 | 13:03 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/ipython/ipython/issues/2486 | 13:03 |
@kanzure | these issues are the worst. when i reverse search in ipython sometimes it executes a line i don't want. | 13:03 |
@kanzure | is .mailmap a git feature? https://github.com/ipython/ipython/blob/master/.mailmap | 13:09 |
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Qasaur | Hey | 13:20 |
@kanzure | Qasaur: hello | 13:26 |
Qasaur | so | 13:27 |
Qasaur | I just recently started looking into DIYBio | 13:27 |
Qasaur | and it seems awesome! | 13:27 |
Qasaur | How do I get started? | 13:27 |
@kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 13:27 |
Qasaur | thanks kaz | 13:27 |
Qasaur | kanzure* | 13:27 |
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@kanzure | uh. | 13:28 |
ThomasEgi | i wonder what that qasaur guy will put in his report about the potetial threat from DIYBio communities and how we should all be put on some terror watchlist | 13:47 |
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ParahSailin | kanzure: lol, you really started your email with "Yo"? | 14:19 |
nmz787 | ThomasEgi: why do you think he's writing something? | 14:24 |
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@kanzure | ParahSailin: totes. | 14:27 |
@kanzure | ParahSailin: you have to keep it real | 14:27 |
@kanzure | ParahSailin: i'm really bad at culture | 14:28 |
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nmz787 | ParahSailin: is your real name viacheslav? | 14:31 |
@kanzure | no | 14:31 |
ParahSailin | nah, that's my supervisor | 14:34 |
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@kanzure | well, hopefully this will fix ipython's terrible ctrl-c handling: | 15:18 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/ipython/ipython/pull/2895 | 15:18 |
chris_99 | i've just been playing about with lua, tis a pretty cool little language | 15:18 |
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streety | kanzure: for ipython notebooks do you know of any way to upload files from the web interface? | 15:41 |
@kanzure | what web interface | 15:41 |
streety | the web interface when you use a ipython notebook | 15:44 |
@kanzure | didn't know that's a thing | 15:44 |
@kanzure | i just use ipython | 15:44 |
streety | fair enough, it's touted as a way to save your 'experiment', it's worth giving a try | 15:47 |
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streety | I think the expectation is you have shell access as well so can just move files in that way. I'm considering using it as a teaching aid (spin up an EC2 instance for each student and point them at the web interface) but being unable to move files in easily may kill the idea | 15:48 |
@kanzure | experiments? | 15:49 |
streety | experiments/prototypes/learning-new-commands anything you might want to go back to and understand exactly what you did | 15:53 |
streety | you can save a session - perhaps key point I don't think I mentioned | 15:53 |
@kanzure | ipython in the shell can also save sessions with %save | 15:54 |
nmz787 | kanzure: a few weeks ago i asked you about the online notebook feature too | 15:55 |
nmz787 | kanzure: the web interface looks like a wiki, but can run python code that you type in | 15:56 |
streety | I had not realised that | 15:56 |
nmz787 | kanzure: i bet there are major security issues :P | 15:56 |
nmz787 | seems like there would be anyway | 15:56 |
streety | you essentially have shell access so security issues are certainly not far away | 15:57 |
streety | that's why I was considering ec2 instances rather than my personal server - I can burn them to the ground after the tutorial | 15:57 |
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juri_ | if you have a virtualization capable server, this sounds like good KVM teritory. | 16:08 |
juri_ | I've written something that, while difficult to set up, allows me to install a VM with a single command, start it with a different command, and destroy it with a third command. if you're doing that a lot, it might be worth the time investment. | 16:09 |
juri_ | </shameless_plug> | 16:10 |
nmz787 | kanzure: i'm not sure what this site is, but i can see the dir listings, and this is some kind of title page that lists the pdfs in that dir http://144.206.159.178/ft/885/92512/1608523.pdf | 16:16 |
nmz787 | kanzure: seems like each dir doesn't include that index page | 16:17 |
@kanzure | nmz787: it's Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy | 16:17 |
nmz787 | kanzure: Subject Index of Volume 38 http://144.206.159.178/ft/885/52362/919164.pdf | 16:18 |
nmz787 | kanzure: there's tons of stuff http://144.206.159.178/ft/ | 16:19 |
streety | juri_: my personal server is already a VM. VMs inside VMs isn't a direction I want to go in. sounds interesting though (I was actually planning to take a look at vagrant this weekend) | 16:21 |
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juri_ | streety: my software is https://gitorious.org/createvm . If you have a thing for autoinstalls, shell scripting (its almost entirely shell scripts, and uses a shell script based autoinstaller), and debian, you'll wonder why you did without it. | 16:22 |
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nmz787 | kanzure: the search even works | 16:22 |
streety | juri_: thanks, I'll have a play with it this weekend | 16:24 |
@kanzure | nmz787: no, that error message is not helpful because the details are disabled in their configuration file | 16:26 |
@kanzure | http://www.securityartwork.es/2013/02/07/the-result-of-pinging-all-the-internet-ip-addresses/?lang=en | 16:33 |
nmz787 | kanzure: seems you can't use the search on the pdf filename, I was hoping it would allow easy metadata retrieval since their search gives that | 16:33 |
@kanzure | do any of you windows users feel like trying my ipython fix? | 16:38 |
@kanzure | https://github.com/ipython/ipython/pull/2895 | 16:38 |
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jrayhawk | I though that simple management thing was what libvirt was for? | 17:44 |
@kanzure | hm? | 17:45 |
@kanzure | oh, management of virtual machines | 17:45 |
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klafka | man i love vim | 17:55 |
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juri_ | jrayhawk: i didn't like the approach: despite the name, it is very monolythic in design. | 18:03 |
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juri_ | I've looked at making XML files that are compatible with libvirt, but the xml parser they use freaks when it comes into contact with entities that tlibvirt does not know how to handle. | 18:04 |
juri_ | I also pulled off a cheat libvirt isn't compatible with: i use screen to manage the physical consoles of the VMs. | 18:05 |
juri_ | i dunno. i just feel my aproach is more 'unixy'. i use a lot of different tools shell scripted together, instead of trying to do it all with a graphical app. | 18:05 |
@kanzure | "Bio, Tech and Beyond lab" is that really what yashgaroth is naming it? | 18:06 |
juri_ | arno-iptables-firewall for the firewalling.. isc DHCPD and bind.. screen.. tintin++.. and FAI for doing the installs. | 18:06 |
@kanzure | why is kevin lustig (assaydepot.com) listed as an organizer of that yashgaroth's lab? | 18:07 |
@kanzure | -that | 18:07 |
juri_ | my software just being wrapper/management scripts, it isn't even running, right now... but i have ~20 VMs running. | 18:07 |
jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/src/sandbox.sh might be interesting to you | 18:13 |
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@kanzure | "At this point, we managed to dump over there: Packard microarray scanner, inverted microscope/CCD camera, Roche LightCycler real time PCR machine, Buchi Rotovap, Speed Vac," | 18:14 |
@kanzure | "slide based PCR machine, 4 different lasers (650nm, 532nm, 600nm, 488nm), Photomulitplier tube (working), hudson control plate crane robot arm, VandP replicator pins, scales, refrigerator with fluorophores" | 18:14 |
@kanzure | posted on http://www.meetup.com/DIYbio-San-Diego/events/103092922/ | 18:14 |
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gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=b6977593 Bryan Bishop: set pdfparanoia as a dependency | 19:08 |
gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 19:08 |
gnusha | quack | 19:10 |
gnusha | q\nuack | 19:10 |
gnusha | -e qnuack | 19:10 |
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gnusha | moo | 19:19 |
gnusha | /names | 19:19 |
archbox | hi gnusha | 19:20 |
jrayhawk | let me know if you actually succeed in doing anything interesting with that socket interface | 19:22 |
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JayDugger | This is where I order the 3d printed kidneys for my automatic rifle, right? | 19:49 |
jrayhawk | only if you're using them to shoot and then perform surgery on your glow-in-the-dark cat | 19:54 |
jrayhawk | with magnetic implants | 19:54 |
JayDugger | Great! | 19:56 |
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juri_ | give me time... ;) | 20:19 |
juri_ | i THINK i have a good plan for 3d printing aluminium. | 20:20 |
ThomasEgi | juri_, if it works, i'll hire you to print a couple of things :) | 20:20 |
juri_ | I'm pretty sure i have a good plan. | 20:20 |
juri_ | i blew a huge hole in it today, but repaired the hole in the plan. ;) | 20:21 |
ThomasEgi | printing copper or brass would be convenient too | 20:21 |
juri_ | one step at a time. ;) | 20:22 |
ThomasEgi | well. as i said. if you can make it work. i'd hire you to print a few microphone cases | 20:22 |
ThomasEgi | given you don't get oxid layers in. as i need high conductivity | 20:23 |
juri_ | this will be an oxygen-free environment. | 20:24 |
ThomasEgi | good good. | 20:25 |
ThomasEgi | what's your targeted resolution/precision? | 20:25 |
juri_ | a little bit better than a standard rostock. | 20:25 |
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juri_ | hi everybody! ;) | 20:27 |
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jrayhawk | freenode is the best | 20:30 |
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kanzure | freenode is equal to or greater than the best | 20:33 |
kanzure | so the ipython devs are arguing with me that because the bug is due to python/readline refusing to implement more api hooks, they wont fix their bug. | 20:34 |
kanzure | meanwhile, using ctrl-c in ipython leads to disastrous consequences of re-running code while the input line looks blank. | 20:34 |
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klafka | oh? | 20:55 |
ThomasEgi | juri_, what did you decide for ? vaccuum chamber? | 21:00 |
juri_ | thomas: yep. | 21:13 |
juri_ | http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Fusionreprap | 21:13 |
ThomasEgi | what do you plan to use as container to keep the vacuum up? | 21:13 |
juri_ | pressure canners. | 21:14 |
kanzure | small children | 21:15 |
juri_ | the souls of my enemies. | 21:16 |
kanzure | i approve this message | 21:16 |
ThomasEgi | a pressure canner like used to prepare food? | 21:17 |
juri_ | Yes. | 21:17 |
juri_ | only the heaviest duty version they make. | 21:17 |
ThomasEgi | arent they designed to withstand a lot of pressure from inside? | 21:17 |
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ThomasEgi | instead of pressure from outside?? | 21:17 |
juri_ | they're just cast aluminum. so far as i know, there is no 'directionality' to the ability of the container to contain force. in fact, i think pressure from outside will be better taken care of, by the round shape. compressive force, instead of explosive force. | 21:18 |
ThomasEgi | usualy it's just the other way round | 21:19 |
yashgaroth | kanzure I didn't name the lab, btw uploading pictures of it now | 21:19 |
ThomasEgi | as metal is very good with tension forces | 21:19 |
ThomasEgi | but doesn't do much good if you add pressure. | 21:19 |
ThomasEgi | so even if a container can easily withstand 10bar inside pressure. it still could implode with just half a bar pressure from outside | 21:20 |
juri_ | I've seen people using the little ones for pulling the air out of modeling mixtures. | 21:20 |
ThomasEgi | i just wanted to raise that concern. | 21:20 |
juri_ | noted. | 21:20 |
juri_ | and thanks. | 21:20 |
ThomasEgi | the bigger the container. the more risky to use in low pressure | 21:20 |
juri_ | yea, i know. i'll start small. | 21:20 |
ThomasEgi | i highly recommend some dry runs. maybe even by sinking that pot into a lake. and see how deep it goes befor imploding | 21:21 |
ThomasEgi | so you know the safety factor at least. | 21:21 |
juri_ | just in case. i'll be doing all of this in a old rack. | 21:22 |
juri_ | so that shrapnel has a lower chance of hiting anyone. | 21:22 |
ThomasEgi | good good. | 21:22 |
ThomasEgi | well an imploding metal container isnt really prone to shrapnelling | 21:22 |
juri_ | good to know. | 21:22 |
ThomasEgi | reminds be of that video of a liquid-container train-trailer thingy | 21:23 |
ThomasEgi | which they removed air from. and let the crowd guess at what pressure itd implode | 21:23 |
ThomasEgi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM | 21:24 |
juri_ | oyea. seen it. ;) | 21:24 |
ThomasEgi | they are usualy made for 10bar inner pressure | 21:24 |
yashgaroth | ok my terrible photos are up http://imgur.com/a/zGWGR | 21:24 |
ThomasEgi | and at bout 0.7 it went fupp | 21:24 |
ThomasEgi | pingpongtable.. nice. | 21:25 |
yashgaroth | *free* pingpong table | 21:25 |
ThomasEgi | you should get a stable stand for your camera tho | 21:25 |
yashgaroth | yeah I was a little drunk | 21:25 |
yashgaroth | the other photos gave me motion sickness so I didn't upload them, but we had about 40 people there | 21:26 |
yashgaroth | some guy brought 2 repraps, a pcr machine, a microarray reader, a real-time pcr machine, and a bunch of other electronic crap that I don't even know what it's for | 21:27 |
yashgaroth | they were chilling beer in a centrifuge for some reason | 21:28 |
juri_ | fun. | 21:28 |
yashgaroth | anyway it's much larger than those photos, but again, motion blur sickness | 21:28 |
kanzure | i don't see any free weights | 21:31 |
yashgaroth | jojack is saving those for himself | 21:32 |
kanzure | i hope that's tile and not carpeting | 21:32 |
yashgaroth | sweet absorbent mold-harboring carpet, yeah | 21:32 |
kanzure | wonderful | 21:32 |
yashgaroth | that's priority one, covering or replacing it | 21:32 |
yashgaroth | oh and http://biotechnbeyond.com/ is the website since I may as well plug that | 21:35 |
cpopell | yash. | 21:36 |
cpopell | are we going drinking thursday | 21:36 |
cpopell | before we drive up friday | 21:36 |
kanzure | the n is weird | 21:36 |
yashgaroth | where at, vista? if I can stay up there for the night then sure | 21:36 |
kanzure | would you guys prefer to use blackhatbio.com? i still have it. | 21:36 |
yashgaroth | yeah it's kinda dumb, like biotech 'n' beyond, darn tootin' | 21:36 |
kanzure | pfft jojack in a lab coat. | 21:36 |
yashgaroth | with a tube of green | 21:37 |
kanzure | who... who made this site. | 21:37 |
kanzure | :( | 21:37 |
kanzure | "designed by Richard Sportsman" | 21:37 |
kanzure | never hire this man for web design | 21:37 |
yashgaroth | yeah ,him | 21:37 |
kanzure | and it's wordpress?? hah. | 21:38 |
yashgaroth | his family does wine testing, I don't know where he got his web dev skills | 21:38 |
yashgaroth | but he was the free-est option | 21:38 |
kanzure | you guys could've asked me.. | 21:38 |
yashgaroth | luckily chido's logo is there making it look good | 21:38 |
yashgaroth | I'll pitch you to jojack | 21:38 |
cpopell | yashgaroth: yeah, might be best. my dad's a curmudgeonly old fuck though | 21:39 |
yashgaroth | haha | 21:39 |
yashgaroth | well we'll be drinking up in LA presumably? | 21:40 |
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kanzure | libcurl pop3 buffer overflow vulnerability http://blog.volema.com/curl-rce.html#.URSbGfZA7CA | 22:33 |
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