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| nmz787 | why wasn't the bio tech n beyond thing advertised on the diybio list? | 00:46 |
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| kanzure | because people like keeping secrets, for whatever reason | 00:48 |
| nmz787 | :( | 00:48 |
| kanzure | nmz787: you should post this, | 00:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jan/26/do-it-yourself-biotech-spread | 00:49 |
| kanzure | nmz787: the biggest single thing that perpetuates all types of abuse is silence, post it. | 00:57 |
| kanzure | i don't know why joe put up with all the bullcrap at biocurious; he had wonderful ideas from the beginning and he let them go down the drain. | 00:57 |
| kanzure | "Regional DIYbio lists splinter the community" damn straight | 00:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: have any jobs for me? | 01:14 |
| nmz787 | por dinero | 01:15 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=865219 | 01:15 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a28c1eb3c7b19a872e63638fe51da48a.txt | 01:15 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/8/18731/00865219.pdf?tp=&arnumber=865219&isnumber=18731 | 01:16 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/645fccb72fee4c4e026e0edff028ed9c.pdf | 01:16 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=959755 | 01:22 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ef740d96e21a66fc1cc8b219575729fb.txt | 01:22 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/7598/20720/00959755.pdf?tp=&arnumber=959755&isnumber=20720 | 01:22 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9353712cb2e6e26e9b83725f7c4c20d8.pdf | 01:22 |
| superkuh | Sorry about the spam. | 01:22 |
| kanzure | that's what it's here for | 01:23 |
| nmz787 | superkuh: quit spamming us with knowledge | 01:34 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i'll do the math on whether or not it would make sense for me to pay you to do things, give me a few days of number crunching. | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: cool, i actually just stumbled on a linkedin job posting that actually excites me a bit | 01:37 |
| nmz787 | if they don't get back to me, I think I might drop by on them in person | 01:38 |
| kanzure | ha ha ha | 01:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.soothetube.com/2013/01/29/interview-with-henry-markram/ | 01:38 |
| kanzure | " He also appears to have a bit of a Captain James T. Kirk thing going on with his hairdo….circa Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (see below)" | 01:39 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so if you're on every list, you should be the cross-posting bot | 01:47 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: or have a list of the lists you're subscribed to | 01:48 |
| kanzure | nmz787: http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html | 01:48 |
| kanzure | but it's about 3 years old at this point | 01:48 |
| nmz787 | d'oh | 01:48 |
| kanzure | On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote: | 01:49 |
| kanzure | > That'll be why you're subscribed to virtually every mailing list I've | 01:49 |
| kanzure | > ever encountered, then? :) | 01:49 |
| kanzure | Bryan Bishop is actually a fictional character owned wholly by Marvel Entertainment, Inc. | 01:49 |
| nmz787 | lol | 01:49 |
| kanzure | i sold my soul for a $0.50 comic, you see.. | 01:50 |
| nmz787 | first edition? | 01:52 |
| kanzure | diybio--seattle, diybio-sf, diybio-boston, diybio-london, diybio-nyc, diybio-hifive, diybio-eu, diybio-ireland, diybio-vancouver, diybio-austin, biocurious, biologigaragen, biohacksyd, biohacklab, there's a bunch of other group-lists i'm forgetting | 01:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups has a better list i think | 01:55 |
| kanzure | oh also the la group, hrm | 01:56 |
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| kanzure | 14 mailing lists are listed on that page (just on groups.google.com; there might be some hosted on other servers) | 02:00 |
| kanzure | ah also east-bay-diybio | 02:02 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5171599 | 02:10 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dbee895ccc30db8fcd5630eebf7184f3.txt | 02:10 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/5154401/5171433/05171599.pdf?tp=&arnumber=5171599&isnumber=5171433 | 02:10 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3a9428ced5353164aa42c385e823f66a.pdf | 02:11 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=c48a377f Bryan Bishop: better support for IEEE Xplore | 02:18 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 02:18 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-08 10:18:20) | 02:18 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5171599 | 02:18 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e4f1417cb39f772faeb35a3d56f559f3.txt | 02:18 |
| kanzure | well that failed. i wonder what went wrong. | 02:21 |
| kanzure | the architecture is broken anyway.. | 02:22 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=610834 | 02:22 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/26cf2eb5ba41c463a16cc7c00823bac1.txt | 02:22 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx3/4819/13320/00610834.pdf?tp=&arnumber=610834&isnumber=13320 | 02:22 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/411bfb5815fdd38dce64d67a3d4dd59b.pdf | 02:22 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=d400040c Bryan Bishop: an even better IEEE fix | 02:47 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 02:47 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-08 10:47:53) | 02:47 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=610834 | 02:48 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b2dcce881ad3694a94e73b44083f8ae5.pdf | 02:48 |
| kanzure | much better. | 02:48 |
| kanzure | someone should rewrite all of that before it becomes unsalvagable crap. | 02:48 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: is it lame to want to call my project openSpectrometer | 02:50 |
| nmz787 | rather than Open Spectrometer | 02:50 |
| kanzure | yes, but i wasn't going to bring it up because in the scheme of things i'd rather have a working open source spectrometer | 02:51 |
| nmz787 | why don't you like it? | 02:52 |
| nmz787 | as far as a title, a logo? | 02:52 |
| kanzure | because it doesn't match any other naming conventions | 02:52 |
| nmz787 | what naming conventions? | 02:52 |
| nmz787 | other spectrometers are called USB 2000 | 02:53 |
| nmz787 | USB2000 | 02:53 |
| kanzure | other spectrometers are proprietary junk named by monkeys, you shouldn't use those as role models anyway | 02:53 |
| kanzure | Biooo Hazard Elite spectrometer 199x | 02:53 |
| archels | SpectrOpenMeter | 02:53 |
| archels | well, maybe not | 02:54 |
| nmz787 | ugghh | 02:55 |
| kanzure | another issue is that i'm not sure what open source license you applied to your work so far | 02:55 |
| nmz787 | openSpectrometer seems less formal than Open Spectrometer | 02:55 |
| kanzure | iirc it wasn't something OSI approved but i might be mistaken | 02:55 |
| nmz787 | but not crazy weird either | 02:55 |
| nmz787 | OSI? | 02:55 |
| archels | any product whose name includes "2000" has to be made of win, though. | 02:55 |
| kanzure | OSI was a random group that formed to popularize the term "open source" | 02:55 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 02:56 |
| archels | kanzure: are they still bickering about the Open Source Hardware logo (the open cog)? | 02:56 |
| kanzure | fun fact: chris petersen from foresight nanotech institute was part of OSI | 02:56 |
| kanzure | archels: no clue | 02:56 |
| kanzure | they just got together to define what they wanted open source to mean | 02:56 |
| kanzure | so it's nice to have something to point to | 02:56 |
| kanzure | juri_ is going to eat my balls for breakfast when she reads this, though (since she prefers the licensing from FSF) | 02:57 |
| kanzure | i can only pray that her lethargy will keep her from reading the backlogs | 02:57 |
| archels | not mentioning her name might also help in the future | 02:58 |
| kanzure | i am not a very good strategist at 5am | 02:58 |
| nmz787 | psh, it's 2:50 here | 02:59 |
| nmz787 | 2:59* | 02:59 |
| kanzure | time travel? | 02:59 |
| nmz787 | yes | 02:59 |
| nmz787 | i can call the future too | 02:59 |
| nmz787 | my indian connection | 03:00 |
| kanzure | archels: i know what nmz787 is doing up, but what about you? | 03:00 |
| archels | I live in The Netherlands, it's 12 o'clock here | 03:03 |
| archels | noon, that is | 03:03 |
| kanzure | do you know pieter van boheemenienen | 03:03 |
| archels | never heard of the guy. *googles* | 03:04 |
| kanzure | ieter van Boheemen <pieter.van.boheemen@amplino.org> | 03:04 |
| kanzure | ack | 03:04 |
| kanzure | Pieter | 03:04 |
| kanzure | eleitl: alive? | 04:03 |
| nmz787 | gosh its late | 04:03 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i am reformatting this, check out the diff http://openspectrometer.com/test.php | 04:03 |
| ThomasEgi | juri_, i'm done etching and soldering my circuit. now... i could make good use of a printed case ;) | 04:03 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i am strongly opposed to php | 04:04 |
| kanzure | i also suggest not restricting the content to the middle of the page | 04:05 |
| nmz787 | php is just for some email function | 04:06 |
| kanzure | you can host webpages on github on a gh-pages branch btw | 04:06 |
| nmz787 | why? | 04:06 |
| nmz787 | i mean why would i do that? | 04:06 |
| kanzure | because it's a simple way to do version control of a website | 04:06 |
| kanzure | also, all repositories on diyhpl.us have an ikiwiki instance | 04:06 |
| kanzure | it's just a suggestion, not mission critical at the moment | 04:07 |
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| kanzure | i think eleitl is in email mode | 04:17 |
| kanzure | hmm http://neuronvisio.org/screenshots.html#network-example | 04:19 |
| kanzure | these do not look histologically realistic | 04:19 |
| archels | hah | 04:19 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: i read all of the backlogs. ;) | 07:09 |
| juri_ | I'd much rather one of the OSI aproved licenses than NOT one of the OSI approved licenses. yes, i avoid contributing to non-gpl work.. but free-er is free-er. as you were saying earlier, the other options are proprietary piles of wizbang marketing 101. an Open option is better than none. | 07:15 |
| juri_ | just expect people like myself to be staring at it, wanting a Free option. ;) | 07:15 |
| juri_ | thomas: got a case design? i'm due to fire my plastic printer up soon. | 07:15 |
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| ephialtes480 | paperbot: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/772502_3 | 07:59 |
| paperbot | TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 171, in download_url) | 07:59 |
| ephialtes480 | paperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.de/ejournals/pdf/10.1055/s-0032-1324717.pdf | 07:59 |
| paperbot | TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 171, in download_url) | 07:59 |
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| * eleitl is alive | 09:16 | |
| ThomasEgi | eleitl, good job! | 09:19 |
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| AlonzoTG | eeek. | 09:42 |
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| archels | wow, the OpenWorm people are planning on using PSICS as their neuronal simulator? | 10:58 |
| archels | They do realise that every single ion channel is a discrete entity there, hopefully? | 10:58 |
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| archels | "I've never been a fan of neural nets." --Ray Kurzweil (2012) | 11:33 |
| * archels hatin' | 11:33 | |
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| juri_ | i'm not a fan of his neural net. is that close? | 11:38 |
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| archels | www.turingbirds.com/temp/cannon.png | 12:40 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=bef66e12 Bryan Bishop: citation_pdf_url is not always available | 13:26 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 13:26 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-08 21:26:44) | 13:26 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/772502_3 | 13:27 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ac4a3a65066eb796250c17ce652809e6.txt | 13:27 |
| kanzure | paperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.de/ejournals/pdf/10.1055/s-0032-1324717.pdf | 13:27 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6d9863111a6b756e8e6d9329a176009d.txt | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Thieme E-Journals - Seminars in Reproductive Medicine / There is no PDF availalbe for this article." | 13:28 |
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| nmz787 | SECRETS KEEP US SICK... is a slogan thrown around at mental rehabs | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: is it? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | why? | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | I think it's generally like your comment 00:57 < kanzure> nmz787: the biggest single thing that perpetuates all types of abuse is silence, post it. | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | secret==silence | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | or at least secret==lack-of-transparency | 13:58 |
| kanzure | oops, i meant, post the article :P | 14:01 |
| kanzure | which you did | 14:01 |
| kanzure | also, what makes a sound in a car that sounds like a flat tire but isn't? | 14:02 |
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| jrayhawk | CV joint failure, maybe? | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | I assume it's at wheel speed. | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, modulated by wheel speed. | 14:25 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:25 |
| kanzure | maybe it's a flat, and i just can't tell yet. | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | air pressure guages are cheap and handy | 14:25 |
| kanzure | yeah i have one somewhere. | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | If you're getting bad vibration through the steering wheel at highway speed, then a wheel weight might've fallen off or a rim might've gotten bent. | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | CV joint would be clicking, the broken/failing side is indicated by driving in a circle (steering wheel turned fully), the failing part os the side you're turning away from (the side that is loaded with weight during the turn) | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | failing part is on the side you're turning away from | 14:28 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: what do you mean it sounds like a flat, like a rubbing sound? | 14:28 |
| nmz787 | i guess i've never really had a flat | 14:28 |
| nmz787 | at least in a while | 14:28 |
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| nmz787 | maybe the emergency brakes are dragging | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | maybe you're driving with the e-brake engaged? | 14:29 |
| eudoxia | archels: i wonder what he is a fan of | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | is the brake light illuminated on the control panel? | 14:29 |
| eudoxia | other than his "let them eat FLOPS" roadmap for posthuman intelligence | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | FLOPjacks | 14:30 |
| jrayhawk | And diffs and final drive gears can go bad in similarly funny ways, but that's somewhat less likely than CV joint. | 14:31 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: nah, no vibrations | 14:37 |
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| nmz787 | someone i know advocates for adding piezoelectric microphones to various parts of the car to fingerprint various vehicle health states | 14:42 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: piezos make the world better. | 14:46 |
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| nmz787 | jrayhawk: is the right side of the car the driver or passenger? | 14:58 |
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| nmz787 | seems in the U.S. the right side is the passenger side | 15:00 |
| nmz787 | from the perspective of sitting-in-the-driver | 15:00 |
| nmz787 | driver's seat | 15:00 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | it's based on the side of the road one drives on | 15:01 |
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| Urchin[Emacs] | if the cars drive on the left, the driver side is on the right, and vice-versa | 15:01 |
| nmz787 | Urchin[Emacs]: the problem I was having was that some parts were listed as right-side vs left-side | 15:02 |
| nmz787 | but i wasn't sure if it was looking at the car from the front (while working in the engine bay), or while sitting in the car | 15:03 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | it's usually from the perspective of the person sitting, afaik | 15:04 |
| * Urchin[Emacs] is not in america | 15:04 | |
| nmz787 | Urchin[Emacs]: yeah that's what google tells me | 15:05 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | google? | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | 'is the right side of the car the passenger side' | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | 'When ordering side specific items, typically, side is meant "as you sit in the drivers seat"' | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | first hit | 15:07 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | right | 15:07 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | do you know why the sides where people drive are as they are? | 15:08 |
| nmz787 | i've heard it before | 15:08 |
| nmz787 | cant remember now | 15:08 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | while coaches were still used people drove on the left because a right-handed person could use the sword that way | 15:09 |
| nmz787 | lol | 15:09 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | but Napoleon changed the rules and made people drive on the right | 15:09 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | Hitler also perpetuated the reform | 15:10 |
| kanzure | "Prior to its scheduling, it was part of a number of supplements that were seized during FDA enforcement of Bodybuilding.com for selling unapproved new drugs." | 15:10 |
| kanzure | bodybuilding.com was busted by the FDA? | 15:10 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | bodybuilding suplements have proven to be fatal at times, afaik | 15:11 |
| kanzure | so? | 15:22 |
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| nmz787 | hot damn | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | "" | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | 8. Understand that synthetic biology is trying to understand the mind of God. This is also heresy in the biological community as most are darwinists and refuse to acknowledge a creator. When you realize this it helps you really think outside the box. For example, understand that nature is using quantum mechanics to select for fitness. God wrote DNA and setup all the systems that cause life to work. It is not wasteful or inneficient. I absolute | 15:31 |
| Urchin[Emacs] | I once found someone saying that evolution could only be compared to Azathoth | 15:35 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: what are you quoting? | 15:40 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: william heath | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | see the latest DIYbio post | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | well, second to last now | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i guess I just exposed on DIYbio that I'm not a firm believer in God | 16:01 |
| kanzure | wow xp_prg said that? that's hilarious. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | you weren't around, but he used to curse this channel with his presence. | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | who? | 16:02 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm sure the majority of diybio participants are either agnostic, atheist, or careful enough to not write such spurious crap | 16:02 |
| kanzure | xp_prg is william heath | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ahh | 16:02 |
| kanzure | i don't see your response to him | 16:03 |
| kanzure | xp_prg has always been very angry that nobody can give him a single-button solution to biology | 16:04 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i have his phone num | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | :P | 16:05 |
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| kanzure | "The biology field and most of the people in the field are not computer scientists and are very shocked to discover that cells are actually hardware (cells) executing programs (dna). " | 16:05 |
| kanzure | haha.. that's not entirely true though. | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/ajOF_600gVQ/OC-bfZnoMqgJ | 16:05 |
| kanzure | i mean, that's not how programming works, and it's not how biology works. | 16:05 |
| kanzure | "They are not skilled in the arts of computer science and quickly overwhelmed by these advanced concepts/approaches." pfft.. it's not advanced at all. | 16:06 |
| kanzure | "Keep this in mind when working with them as you are massively disrupting the entire field." what disruption is he talking about.. the concept of software? | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: well to be fair you had some trouble a week or two ago understanding why I wouldn't wipe windows from my dad's machine and put linux on it | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: so programming is definitely a valid out-of-paradigm area for a lot of biologists | 16:07 |
| ephialtes480 | kanzure: does pdfparanoia, when it remove_object_by_id also update the xref array to reflect the new byte offsets of the remaining objects? | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | i think synBio | 16:07 |
| kanzure | you didn't want to wipe the os because you were angry with me, not because it was a bad idea | 16:08 |
| kanzure | ephialtes480: no. i don't think they are byte offsets anyway. i thought they were ids. | 16:08 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: wrong, because my dad wouldn't be happy with linux | 16:08 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: eleitl even popped in to add regarding that | 16:09 |
| kanzure | ah sorry, the dad situation. i meant the spectrometer situation. | 16:09 |
| kanzure | i am somewhat concerned that the email you linked to hasn't arrived in my inbox | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | err | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: was that the crisis you mentioned, email space? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | i don't know, i am receiving other emails so i'm tryign to figure out what's going on | 16:11 |
| kanzure | for whatever it's worth, i think your reply is okay | 16:11 |
| ephialtes480 | kanzure: the xref array gives you an id of the object, and then where to find it (they are not in order usually). So looking at the (pre-strapped) PDF, if you: dd if=my.pdf bs=1 skip=[THE BYTE OFFSET OF THE OBJECT IN XREF ARRAY] 2>/dev/null | less - you will see where the object is. I'm getting some problems with corrupted PDFs and wondering if the post-strip inaccuracy of the "table of contents" that is the xref array at the end might be the | 16:11 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i also like to link to this one, | 16:12 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/GxRTESzUWUI/X9dro2viFCcJ | 16:12 |
| kanzure | ephialtes480: huh, interesting. so far i have just been stripping out objects and everything works fine. | 16:12 |
| kanzure | aha now i have your email | 16:13 |
| ephialtes480 | ya, that seems to suggest my theory is wrong. I'm just trying to work out why I'm corrupting everything with a custom single-file version of your script I'm using to reconnoiter PDFs from other databases. Perhaps if I send you the script you can spot where the corruption is arising from? It is 90% your code | 16:13 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yesh that's a good post too | 16:14 |
| ephialtes480 | my email? | 16:14 |
| kanzure | ephialtes480: nah, nmz787 sent one out https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/ajOF_600gVQ/OC-bfZnoMqgJ | 16:14 |
| ephialtes480 | ah! :) | 16:15 |
| kanzure | nmz787: also, this line is pretty funny :) "Seems like you're ignoring the folks who had the same idea in that PNAS paper linked via the DIYbio discussion comparing E.coli to linux, as well as Anselm who directly engaged you in that discussion. Seems like you're saying you have secret knowledge that other's in the field don't have, this sounds like the tenure-track professors you complained about." | 16:15 |
| ephialtes480 | Well, I'm calling it a night. I put the test script (my first ever script in python, mostly your code though) here: https://anonfiles.com/file/08973f512071958c413725d906ba8044 (it outputs the PDF with target objects stripped but corrupted. Format of the command is: pdftest.py [search|remove] [filename] [search term] | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | ephialtes480: congrats on learnding python | 16:18 |
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| ephialtes480 | it is mess, my code (in any programming language) is full of inefficiencies, repetitiveness and unecessary nonsense...I'm just happy when they finally work most of the time. | 16:20 |
| ephialtes480 | but thx nmz | 16:20 |
| ephialtes480 | and to you kanzure for always taking time to answer qs. | 16:20 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: hello | 16:21 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 16:21 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: today's humor is provided to you by xp_prg, xist because of | 16:21 |
| kanzure | the work traditional biologists and chemists have done, don't scoff at | 16:21 |
| kanzure | them because their method for uncovering knowledge seems awkward in | 16:21 |
| kanzure | hindsight. The paradigms have served well in the past, that doesn't | 16:21 |
| kanzure | oops | 16:21 |
| kanzure | terrible paste | 16:22 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/ajOF_600gVQ/T5rSMt05BGMJ | 16:22 |
| yashgaroth | oh dear I'll give it a read | 16:22 |
| yashgaroth | also I need to see if I can dig up what plasmid this phillyj person is working on/having problems with | 16:23 |
| yashgaroth | since 'low endotoxin, high supercoiled' plasmid is only used for one thing | 16:23 |
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| kanzure | haha "Brownian motion is the world wide web of the cell" | 16:26 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: which one thing? | 16:27 |
| yashgaroth | in vivo use | 16:27 |
| yashgaroth | specifically, gene therapy or dna vaccine | 16:28 |
| nmz787 | is sex an in-vivo use of a penis? | 16:28 |
| yashgaroth | I'll do a study | 16:28 |
| yashgaroth | I suppose they could be trying to transfect sensitive immune cells in vitro, but even then no one gives a fuck about the supercoiled percentage | 16:29 |
| abetusk | Does anyone have any information on either cheap pH probes or a DIY method of producing your own? | 16:32 |
| yashgaroth | I do wonder if someone's made a smartphone app to read pH strips | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: indicator dye? bromocresol green is pretty cheap | 16:35 |
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| abetusk | I'm sorry, I should have said re-usable | 16:36 |
| yashgaroth | there's some pretty cheap ones on amazon | 16:37 |
| abetusk | re-usable and electronic | 16:37 |
| yashgaroth | they're all electronic | 16:38 |
| abetusk | re-usable then | 16:38 |
| yashgaroth | well the meters on amazon are also all reusable | 16:38 |
| kanzure | http://gowers.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/the-elsevier-boycott-one-year-on/ | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: hanna ph checker is one that's been around for a while | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: this too https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10972 | 16:39 |
| abetusk | At some point the bio chips will have to measure pH. What method are they going to use for that? Just strips? | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: http://www.sparkyswidgets.com/Products/Store/Details/tabid/81/ProductID/4/Default.aspx | 16:40 |
| yashgaroth | what bio chips | 16:40 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: if i wanted to measure pH on a lab-on-a-chip I'd have to fabricate the pH sensor on the chip | 16:41 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_chloride_electrode | 16:41 |
| kanzure | yikes that anti-elsevier statement is signed by john baez | 16:41 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH_meter | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_electrode | 16:42 |
| abetusk | nmz787, thanks, I've seen the wikipedia articles. I was looking for something that could be done in miniature, re-usable and preferably be gotten for cheap or made myself | 16:43 |
| abetusk | There's a sensor based on isfet technology, but I don't really know that much about it | 16:44 |
| klafka_ | hey kanzure what were the other multiprocessing libs you recommended other than multiprocessing? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | klafka_: gevent, eventlet | 16:46 |
| klafka_ | do they manage process memory management better? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | not sure | 16:47 |
| kanzure | there was a good study in 2009 that someone did, but that was 2009. | 16:47 |
| kanzure | these days i see a lot of people recommending gevent | 16:47 |
| klafka_ | ah i see | 16:47 |
| kanzure | the problem with other libraries (not gevent or eventlet) is that they use an entire python instance per thread or coroutine | 16:47 |
| kanzure | gevent does not; it just switches opportunistically between coroutines under a single python instance. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | something based on libevent | 16:48 |
| kanzure | or libev. not sure which one. | 16:48 |
| klafka_ | ummm | 16:48 |
| klafka_ | kanzure: this doesn't seem effective for like multi-core mapreduce sort of shit | 16:49 |
| kanzure | perhaps not, there's probably better ideas out there | 16:50 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: miniature is a big world | 16:54 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: i'm sure the isfet's that ion torrent uses are cheap, and they're probably reusable (though the chip might not support that) | 16:54 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: you could manufacture a AgCl electrode on a lab-on-a-chip | 16:55 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: i.e. http://www.bioee.ee.columbia.edu/courses/upload/Bibliography/Polk_AgAgCl_microelectrodes_sensact.pdf | 16:56 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: didn't you add depth detection to a PCB mill? | 16:57 |
| nmz787 | using resistance? | 16:57 |
| abetusk | it's a continuity test, but yes, depth detection for a PCB mill | 16:58 |
| abetusk | I just made my first functioning circuit the other day | 16:58 |
| abetusk | through hole, but still | 16:58 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: http://144.206.159.178/FT/120/599693/12462462.pdf | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: Microuidic pH-sensing chips integrated with pneumatic | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | uid-control devices | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: that's the same site I found the other day! | 17:00 |
| kanzure | nmz787: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2F144.206.159.178%2FFT& | 17:01 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac9007573 | 17:02 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Electrochemical%20Detection%20for%20Paper-Based%20Microfluidics.pdf | 17:03 |
| abetusk | nmz787, thanks, that's what I was looking for | 17:03 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: thanks, google works better than their on-site search | 17:03 |
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| nmz787 | i don't like that government entities ask me to press 1 for english | 17:15 |
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| kanzure | "The one million dollar ($1,000,000) prize will recognize ... Novel technologies to enhance human brain function, .... Novel brain stimulation technologies, ... Novel brain-machine interface technologies." http://www.israelbrain.org/global-braintech-prize/competition-overview/ | 17:48 |
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| kanzure | "Jboss, running on JDK, is vulnerable to SQL injection. A remote attacker could send a sequence of SQL commands to TCP port 1701 to obtain" | 18:13 |
| kanzure | well alright then | 18:13 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: can you fork/copy this https://bitbucket.org/chapmanb/synbio/src/7b1b3a972b7e/SynBio?at=default | 18:25 |
| kanzure | sure, things on bitbucket are either hg or git | 18:33 |
| kanzure | "ADAMS adheres to security standards similar to those found in the banking industry. ADAMS uses 128-bit SSL encryption to protect data transmissions." | 18:33 |
| kanzure | the anti-doping industry is a joke. | 18:33 |
| yashgaroth | I wonder if anyone would be willing to set up an alternative league without testing | 18:34 |
| kanzure | it's a little weird to me how they all got together to form an international anti-doping enforcement agency.. | 18:35 |
| yashgaroth | saves labor | 18:35 |
| kanzure | it also looks like this site is possibly hackable | 18:38 |
| kanzure | i think they have basically all athletes listed here with addresses and time-of-day availability for testing | 18:38 |
| kanzure | "You are required to include on your ADAMS whereabouts a 1 hour testing slot – for each day. (7 days a week) of the next quarter (e.g. January-March 2013)," | 18:39 |
| yashgaroth | what's the high security for? access to top athletes' location? | 18:40 |
| kanzure | and which drugs they are positive for | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i wonder how corrupt this system is | 18:40 |
| nmz787 | hmm, actually kanzure I can't tell but that code might not be so great | 18:41 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmTpHy9oJc8#t=400 | 18:42 |
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| kanzure | geeze look at page 71 | 18:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/ADAMS/Training_User_Guides/ADAMS%20User%20Guide%20-%20Accredited%20Laboratories%20POST%20V3.2%20HOTFIX2%2016-11-2012.pdf | 18:50 |
| kanzure | 'athlete biological passport' | 18:50 |
| nmz787 | this is phenomenal http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-7-2013/tanks--but-no-tanks | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | .title | 18:55 |
| yoleaux | Tanks, But No Tanks - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/07/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central | 18:55 |
| kanzure | geeze they also track chess athletes | 18:56 |
| kanzure | and cricket? | 18:56 |
| yashgaroth | cricket's pretty big | 18:56 |
| kanzure | and "electronic sports" or.... "esports" | 18:56 |
| kanzure | "firefighting and rescuing".. oh come on, what the fuck guys. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | "wheelchair fencing".. ok fair. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20120723013937/http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/ADAMS/Training_User_Guides/ADAMS%20Import%20Codes%20for%20Sport,%20Discipline,%20Country,%20Region%20V2.5.pdf | 18:57 |
| kanzure | "life saving, pool". what... | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i have no idea why firefighting would be managed by the world anti-doping association | 18:59 |
| kanzure | but at least keyboard typing is not listed. i'm safe. | 18:59 |
| nmz787 | "if you're a muslim, you'd better be out there jihaading away" | 19:01 |
| nmz787 | i think that's what he says around 3:05 | 19:01 |
| yashgaroth | 420 jihad every day | 19:01 |
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| kanzure | page 30 has a password: | 19:08 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20100216235346/http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/ADAMS/Training_User_Guides/ADAMS_User_Guide_Sporting_Organizations_V2_2_NL.pdf | 19:08 |
| kanzure | and so does the following page | 19:08 |
| kanzure | they seem to be <first initial><last initial><2-digit month><2-digit day><4-digit year> | 19:09 |
| juri_ | http://www.wired.com/design/2012/11/3-d-printed-cartilage/ | 19:10 |
| juri_ | i know, kindof old news, but news to me. | 19:11 |
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| kanzure | http://www.presagia.com/1599 the wada/presagia announcement | 19:41 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: earlier you mentioned netflix i think? | 20:35 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: what about it | 20:43 |
| kanzure | BioGuy: hi | 20:43 |
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| BioGuy | Hey! | 20:54 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 - did you just post the other day on google groups? | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | He did! I saw it! | 20:58 |
| jrayhawk | I'll testify to it in court! | 20:58 |
| jrayhawk | GET THE PITCHFORKS | 20:59 |
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| nmz787 | BioGuy: hi | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: do you watch it on linux? | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I post all the time on google groups | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | like its my job | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I think I even emailed you personally a few months ago, and never heard back... what's happening? | 21:01 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I've tried emailing and IRCing with the hackerspace people here, but there isn't much activity | 21:02 |
| kanzure | nmz787: android-x86 | 21:03 |
| kanzure | actually that's wrong, it doesn't work on android-x86 because their binaries are compiled for arm i think | 21:04 |
| @fenn | i got a kick out of this: "Understand that synthetic biology is trying to understand the mind of God. This is also heresy in the biological community as most are darwinists and refuse to acknowledge a creator. When you realize this it helps you really think outside the box. For example, understand that nature is using quantum mechanics to select for fitness. God wrote DNA and setup all | 21:09 |
| @fenn | the systems that cause life to work. It is not wasteful or inneficient. I absolutely did not believe in junk DNA as was later proved right. God doesn't make junk and the entire universe is engineered by God to support life. Understanding this allows you to make discoveries that normal darwinists cannot make as easily in my opinion." | 21:09 |
| klafka_ | \LOL | 21:09 |
| klafka_ | who is this? | 21:09 |
| kanzure | xp_prg | 21:09 |
| kanzure | perhaps the greatest hplusroadmap troll of all time. | 21:09 |
| archbox_ | fenn: amen | 21:09 |
| klafka_ | aah | 21:09 |
| @fenn | sometimes i wonder if he's doing it intentionally | 21:10 |
| kanzure | i saw him the other day in another channel (phantomjs) | 21:10 |
| kanzure | he seems to blame all his failure on me :p | 21:10 |
| BioGuy | nmz787: Ya, sorry I don't check my email nearly as often as I would like to, but if your still up for trying to find people into DIYbio in the PDX area I'm definitely up for it | 21:10 |
| BioGuy | Sorry gotta run, lets talk later | 21:10 |
| klafka_ | ill be in pdx soonish i think | 21:11 |
| kanzure | klafka_: don't go; if pdx achieves critical mass then there is no way to stop the singularity. | 21:11 |
| klafka_ | haha | 21:11 |
| klafka_ | i won't move there | 21:11 |
| klafka_ | our company has an office there | 21:11 |
| klafka_ | i go every few months | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | klafka_: what do you do | 21:15 |
| nmz787 | ? | 21:15 |
| nmz787 | I wonder if there are poor neighborhoods in PDX that could benefit from mesh networks for wifi internet connectivity | 21:18 |
| kanzure | klafka is a phd student who has chosen the glamorous life of sql monkey | 21:18 |
| kanzure | ryan bethencourt just sent out http://opensourcebiotech.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page | 21:19 |
| kanzure | wikia :( | 21:19 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so i guess you don't watch netflix much if you don't know ho you've watched it previously | 21:20 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: didn't you mention you were thinking of cancelling it because of ads? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i'd rather not admit to it | 21:20 |
| kanzure | please don't make me admit i watch netflix | 21:20 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ! | 21:21 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: tell me how you watch netflix | 21:21 |
| kanzure | the things i say in the other channel aren't entirely public statements | 21:21 |
| nmz787 | you said it in here | 21:21 |
| kanzure | bryan@gnusha:~/code/paperbot/modules$ grep netflix ~gnusha/public_html/logs/2013* | grep netflix | 21:22 |
| kanzure | nope | 21:22 |
| kanzure | /home/gnusha/public_html/logs/2013-02-08.log:20:35 < nmz787> kanzure: earlier you mentioned netflix i think? | 21:22 |
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| rigel | so anyone here know enough javascript to write a greasemonkey plugin? | 21:31 |
| kanzure | sure, what's up | 21:31 |
| rigel | i was just twittering with carl malamud, who was griping about the us congress's house videos | 21:32 |
| rigel | they're behind a ustream wall, so you cant download them | 21:32 |
| kanzure | there are lots of tools to download crap from ustream | 21:32 |
| rigel | i spent a good bit of time over the summer dicking around trying to pull them down programmatically | 21:32 |
| kanzure | i think cclive supports ustream | 21:33 |
| kanzure | .. maybe. | 21:33 |
| rigel | anyway, it's just this one flash/AMF handshake that needs to be gotten around | 21:34 |
| rigel | and i was thinking maybe a plugin a la archiveteam's JSTOR plugin would be in order | 21:34 |
| rigel | there are a couple of .js AMF packages | 21:35 |
| rigel | all you need to do is get past that handshake and get the direct url | 21:35 |
| kanzure | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/61384 | 21:35 |
| kanzure | by coincidence.. paperbot might be capable of downloading videos from ustream already. | 21:36 |
| rigel | i have already spoken with someone from IA about this, they are perfectly happy to host the videos | 21:36 |
| rigel | they have a whole procedure for bulk uploads | 21:37 |
| kanzure | we have someone from IA in here | 21:37 |
| rigel | it would be great if it could upload it directly | 21:37 |
| kanzure | also #archiveteam on efnet i think | 21:38 |
| rigel | oh, i no longer do efnet | 21:38 |
| klafka_ | nmz787: data scientist | 21:38 |
| rigel | i mean its fucking congressional video, it needs to be downloadable, not just streamable | 21:38 |
| rigel | over the summer, i think in part because i was able to tell the guy i was working for how to circumvent the download restrictions on a senate video, he was able to highlight testimony from a particular person, put it on youtube, they got pushback about those statements, a few days later they were retracted | 21:41 |
| rigel | downloading, not just streaming, is fucking KEY | 21:42 |
| rigel | not retracted, but "clarified" i.e. walked back | 21:42 |
| * juri_ nods. | 21:46 | |
| juri_ | that's a worthwhile goal. | 21:46 |
| rigel | so you guys have the brains here | 21:47 |
| rigel | i spent weeks dicking around with the AMF handshake in python | 21:47 |
| rigel | i have some notes i can share but i doubt you'll need them honestly | 21:47 |
| juri_ | i'm already way behind, and not making enough money to make ends meet. AND trying to build an aluminium printer. | 21:48 |
| juri_ | i are teh smart! | 21:49 |
| rigel | story of my fucking life brah | 21:49 |
| rigel | not the aluminum printer part | 21:49 |
| rigel | i have an exam on monday that i am two weeks behind on studying for, and another on tuesday | 21:49 |
| * juri_ nods. | 21:50 | |
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| kanzure | nmz787: what seedbox did you get? | 22:18 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, everyohe. | 22:19 |
| JayDugger | everyone. | 22:19 |
| klafka_ | lol | 22:26 |
| klafka_ | http://madhadron.com/a-farewell-to-bioinformatics | 22:26 |
| klafka_ | LOL | 22:27 |
| klafka_ | There are only two computationally difficult problems in bioinformatics, sequence alignment and phylogenetic tree construction. | 22:27 |
| klafka_ | this guy is hilarious | 22:27 |
| kanzure | klafka_: there were some ok comments about that article here, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5123022 | 22:28 |
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| klafka_ | interesting | 22:34 |
| * klafka_ is he must admit pretty happy to have never gone into bioinformatics fully | 22:38 | |
| kanzure | "My friend said: Bioinformatics means that computer scientists – who don't know mathematics and don't know biology – are trying to do mathematical biology." | 22:39 |
| kanzure | that said, there's still a lot of valuable bioinformatics tools i think | 22:39 |
| klafka_ | LOL | 22:39 |
| klafka_ | to be honest though there is a lot of bullshit here too | 22:40 |
| klafka_ | there are fantastic biologists, mathematicians, statisticians, and computer scientists doing good bioinformatics / comp bio / etc... | 22:40 |
| klafka_ | i'd point you towards the work that michael jordan has done in proteins and daphne koller in gene network reconstruction | 22:41 |
| klafka_ | or ummm basically most of the broad institute is fucking badass | 22:41 |
| kanzure | the michael jordan of proteins, you say? | 22:41 |
| rigel | there was a paper that said bioinformatics was "black magic" | 22:41 |
| klafka_ | no he's really the michael jordan of machine learning | 22:41 |
| rigel | which was always my feeling | 22:41 |
| klafka_ | i think the most cogent points that rant makes are code reproducibility and experiment reproducibility | 22:42 |
| kanzure | i think the work that open-bio.org does is useful (biopython, bioruby, bioperl, biojava) but a little fragmented | 22:42 |
| klafka_ | it is very much the case that microarrays are pieces of shit | 22:42 |
| rigel | if you dont know the algorithms or why youre using them (and 99.9% of working biologists havent the faintest fucking clue what a blast search does other than "find a gene") then you're flying blind. garbage in garbage out | 22:42 |
| kanzure | "If you really want to get a feel for how deluted the Bioinformatics community is, look for a job in the field as an outsider. It's not uncommon to see requirements like: "Must be an expert in 18 technologies" "Must have a PHD in Computer Science or Molecular Biology" "Must have 12 years experience and post doctoral training" "Pay: $30,000"" | 22:42 |
| klafka_ | rigel: there are a lot of people doing comp bio that know a lot of computer science / math | 22:43 |
| rigel | that's just fine | 22:43 |
| rigel | but when you're a biologist hoping that the computron machine thinger will magically make your results relevant | 22:44 |
| rigel | which is overwhelmingly the case | 22:44 |
| rigel | then it's still shite | 22:44 |
| klafka_ | rigel - well first off they are generally not publishing bioinformatics results in those instances - second the problem of experimental design is not a computational problem but really a statistical problem | 22:45 |
| rigel | i would wager that there are no more than 200 working bench lab biologists in the world who have bout 1) used bioinformatics tools in a paper and 2) examined the assumptions underpinning those computational tools to make sure they were appropriate to the work they were doing | 22:46 |
| kanzure | far more than 200 for #1 | 22:46 |
| klafka_ | yeah so many more | 22:46 |
| rigel | thousands or tens of thousands for just #1, certainly | 22:46 |
| klafka_ | also I'm not totally sure #2 is relevant | 22:46 |
| klafka_ | wait are you quoting people or making statements ? | 22:46 |
| rigel | making statements | 22:46 |
| klafka_ | that you then immediately contradict? | 22:47 |
| rigel | s/bout/both | 22:47 |
| rigel | does that make more sense now? | 22:47 |
| rigel | sorry | 22:47 |
| klafka_ | I would make the argument that bench lab biologists don't generally do that anaylsis and directly use those tools | 22:48 |
| kanzure | flikr is really disappointing for queries like "microbes" "protozoa" "microorganism" :( i guess the results for "microscopy" are okay. | 22:48 |
| klafka_ | they typically have bioinformatics students / co-authors | 22:48 |
| rigel | you'd be wrong then. maybe better funded labs. | 22:49 |
| klafka_ | well I mean prove me wrong | 22:49 |
| rigel | we're both jerking off here then | 22:49 |
| klafka_ | anecdotally even in the underfunded bio labs I worked in that was the case | 22:49 |
| klafka_ | rigel: were you involved in biology or bioinformatics from an academic perspective? | 22:49 |
| rigel | the place i worked we had about 30 PIs and maybe 40 assistants of varying levels | 22:50 |
| rigel | not a bioinformaticist in the entire place | 22:50 |
| rigel | all mostly small labs, sometimes just the PI | 22:50 |
| yashgaroth | what academic wetlabs have bioinformatics people just laying around? | 22:51 |
| klafka_ | interesting - i've seen that moreso in medical labs | 22:51 |
| klafka_ | but anyway I think that a lot of these problems he's describing are really just endemic to academia | 22:52 |
| klafka_ | i would lay a lot of the same accusations against computer science as an academic field too | 22:52 |
| klafka_ | things like code reproducibility | 22:53 |
| rigel | i think it's just computers, man | 22:53 |
| rigel | they make people stupid | 22:53 |
| rigel | add computers to any endeavor and on some level, it makes people stupider | 22:53 |
| rigel | they think the magic electric box will fix everything | 22:53 |
| rigel | you see it in industry just as much in academia | 22:54 |
| klafka_ | yeah kind of - though i feel people are much more constrained by costs in the real world | 22:54 |
| klafka_ | or industry | 22:54 |
| rigel | well, shitting the bed has much more palpable effects because it's not part of, you know a societal grand bargain to have centers of industry or anything | 22:55 |
| rigel | even though it is, really, that protection is only afforded the Big Guys | 22:55 |
| rigel | Too Big To Fail | 22:55 |
| nmz787 | heh, michael jordan of proteins | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | space jamz is about molecular crowding and binding pockets | 22:59 |
| nmz787 | 'the incoming nucleotide dunks into the polymerase!' | 22:59 |
| klafka_ | no michael jordan did great work on proteins | 23:00 |
| klafka_ | http://videolectures.net/nips2010_jordan_sip/ | 23:00 |
| kanzure | http://videolectures.net/Top/Biology/Neuroscience/ | 23:06 |
| kanzure | that site makes no sense | 23:06 |
| kanzure | these thumbnails of videos are awful | 23:06 |
| kanzure | the title is more important | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | klafka_: i'm laughing at a mental molbio mashup of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Jam | 23:15 |
| klafka_ | haha | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | in the multiple world interpretation... | 23:16 |
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| nmz787 | i think that's exceeding the legal speed limit | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | :p | 23:17 |
| klafka_ | http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/02/big-data-means-big-errors-people/ | 23:37 |
| klafka_ | LOL | 23:37 |
| klafka_ | this article i think is even worse | 23:38 |
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