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| BioGuy | nmz787, was AFK, still there? | 00:34 |
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| nmz787 | BioGuy: yes | 00:52 |
| nmz787 | sorry, the window doesn't blink on activity | 00:53 |
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| BioGuy | No worries, your the one that posted on the PDX hackerspace group a little bit ago right? | 00:54 |
| BioGuy | This is you, right? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/pdx-diybioscitechthink/REqrItwgP6g | 00:55 |
| nmz787 | yes | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | doesn't it link to my profile somehow? | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | to show nmz787? | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | anyway, yes, how are you tonight/ | 01:02 |
| klafka | bored! | 01:03 |
| strangewarp | Accelerando had a good beginning and a boring ending | 01:03 |
| BioGuy | Not bad, looking at openspectrometer.com | 01:04 |
| BioGuy | Your out in Hillsboro? | 01:04 |
| BioGuy | Just out of curiosity, anything specific make you want to use the propeller microcontroller? | 01:13 |
| nmz787 | yeah it's got 8 cores | 01:14 |
| nmz787 | makes glue logic pretty easy | 01:14 |
| nmz787 | otherwise i'd need to learn how to prog a FPGA or CPLD | 01:15 |
| nmz787 | which would prob take a year at least | 01:15 |
| nmz787 | well maybe 3 mo | 01:15 |
| nmz787 | but overall that would be less hackable for most ppl | 01:16 |
| archels | Why not an off-the-shelf ARM processor? | 01:16 |
| BioGuy | We should try and meetup sometime. I'm pretty close to Hillsboro - right in Beaverton | 01:16 |
| nmz787 | archels: not multi-core | 01:16 |
| klafka | strangewarp: it's hard to end that | 01:16 |
| archels | nmz787: it's easy to make it multitask | 01:17 |
| nmz787 | hard to make things happen at the same time | 01:17 |
| nmz787 | you'd need a scheduler though | 01:17 |
| archels | yep, there's a lot of code out there that you can reuse though. | 01:19 |
| archels | the Propellor may lead to a simpler programming model for, well, the programmer, but isn't it hugely overpowered for your application? | 01:20 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 You have a lab set up out in Hillsboro? | 01:21 |
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| nmz787 | archels: easy is good in this case | 01:21 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: yeah i'm collaborating with a micromilling company | 01:22 |
| archels | heh, okay | 01:22 |
| * archels can get a little perfectionistic at times | 01:22 | |
| BioGuy | You need to pay rent? | 01:23 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: you got work for me? | 01:26 |
| BioGuy | Haha, no just wondering what the cost was for your workspace out there | 01:27 |
| nmz787 | there are always expenses... school loans are coming to be due | 01:27 |
| nmz787 | ahh, nothing too certain right now, it's on a casual basis since their lab is pretty underused | 01:28 |
| BioGuy | You still going to school or working in Hillsboro? | 01:28 |
| nmz787 | I started a class at PSU downtown, but it was too early and I couldn't concentrate on the homework | 01:28 |
| nmz787 | I spend most of my time reading about things related in any way to microfluidics and DNA synthesis/manipulation | 01:29 |
| nmz787 | i am trying to learn to use kicad now | 01:29 |
| nmz787 | to makea board for openspectrometer | 01:30 |
| abetusk | I'm learning KiCAD too | 01:32 |
| BioGuy | I'm just finishing up my bioscience technology associates at PCC, but I definitely want to meet people interested in DIYBio | 01:32 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: i got some work earlier this month doing some biotech consulting | 01:32 |
| nmz787 | it would be nice to drum up more of that | 01:33 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: cool, seriously please shoot me an email if you hear of work | 01:33 |
| nmz787 | science, electronics, programming | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | digging ditches | 01:34 |
| BioGuy | LOL! | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | chainsawing trees, digging trail | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | engine repair | 01:34 |
| nmz787 | welding | 01:34 |
| BioGuy | Have you taken a look at Kelly Scientific? | 01:35 |
| nmz787 | no | 01:35 |
| jrayhawk | professional tree removal looked like one hell of a lot of fun | 01:35 |
| @kanzure | professional tree killer | 01:35 |
| nmz787 | i like trail work | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | away from the commoners | 01:36 |
| @kanzure | commoners..? | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | most wild nature doesn't fuck with you too much | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | yeah, i'm kind of a shut-in nerd computer type | 01:37 |
| @kanzure | i have a strong negative reaction to anyone who is espousing that others are lessers | 01:37 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 Do you have your bachelors and working towards your graduates degree right now? | 01:37 |
| nmz787 | i'm not saying that | 01:37 |
| nmz787 | i'm saying i don't mesh well with them | 01:38 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: no i suck at school and need 3 classes to graduate with a bachelors | 01:38 |
| nmz787 | they will probably take me another year to finish | 01:38 |
| nmz787 | i really just want to make microfluidics | 01:38 |
| nmz787 | and it's been eating away at me | 01:39 |
| nmz787 | so i need to try it and succeed or fail, to move on | 01:39 |
| nmz787 | hah | 01:39 |
| nmz787 | but school helped me get here, so i can't be too upset with school | 01:40 |
| BioGuy | I had to bail this term myself, just need one more class to hurry up and get my associates. | 01:40 |
| nmz787 | it's not the learning, it's more the way the system is setup | 01:40 |
| nmz787 | that i have trouble with | 01:40 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I'm gonna go drop in on a company I want to try and get a job with | 01:41 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: in beaverton | 01:41 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: so maybe afterwards we can meet up | 01:41 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: which day and time is best for you? | 01:41 |
| BioGuy | I'm kind of feeling the same way. In my program we actually did the work so I enjoyed it. But when I tried to go back taking the regular classes to work towards my bachelors I got really bored. Its really frustrating for me to read about lots of things but not actually DO anything with it. | 01:41 |
| BioGuy | Well, since I had to drop my classes this term the only thing I really have on my schedule is to go back to a guy I used to drive cars around for and see if he needs any extra help. Other than that my schedule is really wide open for the time being. | 01:43 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 01:44 |
| nmz787 | well shoot me a text tomorrow when you're bored 412-677-8207 | 01:44 |
| BioGuy | Alright sounds good. What time you going to that company in Beaverton? I also have a bunch of lab chemistry lab gear out at the Portland hackerspace and a few reagents too. They're all really into mostly computer stuff though. I think it would be cool to find someone who wants to tinker with bio / chemistry | 01:48 |
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| BioGuy | Bah! I wish LibreOffice had a better UI | 01:55 |
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| nmz787 | BioGuy: hmm | 01:57 |
| nmz787 | depends when i get to bed | 01:57 |
| nmz787 | i woke up today at 3pm | 01:58 |
| BioGuy | I'm no good with IRC how do I send you a private msg? | 02:01 |
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| nmz787 | slash q nick | 02:03 |
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| nmz787 | i think | 02:08 |
| nmz787 | that might not work | 02:08 |
| BioGuy | ...I dont think it did...I'll just email you, its nmz787@gmail.com right? | 02:08 |
| nmz787 | yea | 02:08 |
| BioGuy | oh wait... | 02:09 |
| ManaLord | http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html | 02:09 |
| archels | on freenode, you need to have a registered nickname in order to privmsg someone | 02:10 |
| ManaLord | oh... I'm also new to IRC... | 02:11 |
| archels | welcome! :) | 02:11 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=227545 | 02:19 |
| @paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f05e72503d68336430aef486bdcae43a.txt | 02:19 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 did you get that msg? | 02:20 |
| BioGuy | Wheres everyone else from | 02:20 |
| ManaLord | oh, I am welcome, I see, thank you archels... I was afk... | 02:22 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: yeah i see it | 02:24 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: jrayhawk is also in the area, we go climbing at the rock gym every once in a while | 02:31 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: is pretty much interested in DIYbio when it comes to his own biome | 02:31 |
| BioGuy | Thats right I remember now. How did you meet him? You guys know each other before coming out to Hillsboro? | 02:32 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/pdf/10.1080/01635589709514521 | 02:32 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: through this room | 02:32 |
| @paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/70ef3b455c7ff4bcc04334d138c74196.pdf | 02:32 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy:otherwise not really | 02:35 |
| BioGuy | What part of town does he live in? | 02:35 |
| BioGuy | I just got really tired...lets try and meetup tomorrow | 02:37 |
| BioGuy | night all | 02:37 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: just stuck an LED in that projector and confirmed the DLP and input processing is working | 03:23 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: but i would still like you to buy another one, as this one is missing a lens that i have to figure out how to work around | 03:24 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.pc.35.100184.000451 | 04:05 |
| @paperbot | PDFNotImplementedError: Unsupported predictor: 15 (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pdfminer/pdftypes.py", line 239, in decode) | 04:05 |
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| @kanzure | what the fuck is a PDFNotImplementedError | 07:15 |
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| @kanzure | "James D. Watson, Alexander Gann, and Jan Witkowski, Editors, The Annotated and Illustrated Double Helix (Simon and Schuster, New York; 2012)." | 07:45 |
| @kanzure | wasn't this published in 1968? | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | i think watson might be milking it a bit much | 07:46 |
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| @kanzure | "Watson was even quoted as calling Venter "Hitler"." | 08:00 |
| nsh | lol | 08:00 |
| nsh | IBM? | 08:00 |
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| @kanzure | "Watson left the Genome Project after conflicts with the new NIH Director, Bernadine Healy. Watson was opposed to Healy's attempts to acquire patents on gene sequences, and any ownership of the "laws of nature."" | 08:02 |
| @kanzure | ""The nations of the world must see that the human genome belongs to the world's people, as opposed to its nations." He left within weeks of the 1992 announcement that the NIH would be applying for patents on brain-specific cDNAs.[43]" | 08:02 |
| @kanzure | nsh: the other watson. | 08:02 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=05669229 Bryan Bishop: catch PDFNotImplementedErrors | 08:05 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 08:05 |
| @paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-11 16:05:41) | 08:05 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.pc.35.100184.000451 | 08:07 |
| @paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Dielectric%20Properties%20of%20Polyelectrolyte%20Solutions.pdf | 08:07 |
| @kanzure | archels: there you go. | 08:07 |
| @kanzure | eww look at that watermark. | 08:07 |
| nsh | in my head it was pretty funny that IBM sent Watson to college | 08:09 |
| nsh | and he became politicised | 08:09 |
| nsh | and started comparing people to hitler | 08:09 |
| @kanzure | if anyone feels like fixing those watermarks, here's samples: | 08:12 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/19 | 08:12 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, do you have a email for juul? | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | Marc Juul <marcjc@gmail.com> | 08:23 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: can you check to see if that other projector is still available | 09:22 |
| nmz787 | and if so grab if for me | 09:22 |
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| archels | kanzure: <3 | 10:02 |
| klafka | man i can't believe in the end i had to use savemat | 10:03 |
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| klafka | and save things in matlab format | 10:03 |
| klafka | because fuck you cPickle | 10:03 |
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| ThomasEgi | who uses cpickle? | 10:47 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean it's like.. whoho! free security holes! | 10:47 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 10:49 |
| BioGuy | Anyone know of a decent entry level CAD program for someone who's never done CAD before? | 10:50 |
| BioGuy | for linux | 10:50 |
| klafka | ThomasEgi: numpy.savez | 10:52 |
| klafka | ThomasEgi: people use pickle and cPickle for serializing objects to file | 10:52 |
| klafka | not for streaming or whatever | 10:52 |
| klafka | also i think json.dump does as well | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | BioGuy: brlcad | 10:54 |
| ThomasEgi | isnt brlcad pretty difficult to learn? | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | nope | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | klafka: pickle is full of terrible security holes. so is yaml. | 10:55 |
| ThomasEgi | klafka, i usualy use struct. ways more secure | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | if you need something that is transfer-efficient, i would recommend protobufs. | 10:55 |
| BioGuy | Thanks Kanzure, taking a look now | 10:56 |
| klafka | i'm just using the scipy.io.savemat function now | 10:56 |
| klafka | so it's storingit in the .mat format | 10:56 |
| klafka | i know htat can handle big files | 10:56 |
| BioGuy | kanzure: Do you know if with BRL-CAD if you can apply material properties and simulate how environmental factors will affect whatever your making? | 11:05 |
| BioGuy | or do material properties only affect 3d rendering? | 11:06 |
| harrymarv | freecad is the best entry level i rekon | 11:14 |
| harrymarv | FreeCAD: An Open Source parametric 3D CAD modeler | 11:15 |
| harrymarv | Free - BSD, Linux, Mac OS, Windows | 11:16 |
| harrymarv | FreeCAD is aimed directly at mechanical engineering and product design but also fits in a wider range of uses around engineering, such as architecture or other engineering specialties | 11:17 |
| harrymarv | FreeCAD features tools similar to CATIA, Creo, Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks or Solid Edge, and therefore also falls into the category of MCAD, PLM, CAx and CAE. | 11:17 |
| harrymarv | can be used with all the 3d rendering software aswell | 11:18 |
| BioGuy | Ya Im looking at FreeCAD too right now | 11:19 |
| harrymarv | (like Blender. maya, 3ds Max or Cinema 4D) | 11:20 |
| harrymarv | FreeCAD is intended to make use of other open-source libraries from the field of Scientific Computing. Among them are Open CASCADE (a CAD kernel), Coin3D (an incarnation of Open Inventor), the Qt GUI Framework, and Python, a popular scripting language. | 11:20 |
| harrymarv | Open CASCADE Technology (OCCT) for 3D surface and solid modeling, visualization, data exchange and rapid application development | 11:23 |
| harrymarv | SALOME - free software that provides a generic platform for Pre- and Post-Processing for numerical simulation | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | opencascade is a dead-end because their source code is unmaintainable | 11:25 |
| @kanzure | salome is just them trying to reuse their source code | 11:25 |
| @kanzure | freecad is just a qt front-end to opencascade, so it suffers all of the limitations of opencascade. | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | in addition, opencascade itself has licensing issues because its owners are dickfaces and confused. | 11:26 |
| harrymarv | Aerodynamic flows over the Formula One car | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | what about it | 11:27 |
| harrymarv | Open CASCADE Technology is a software development platform freely available in open source. It includes C++ components for 3D surface and solid modeling, visualization, data exchange and rapid application development. | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | it's like you're not listening | 11:28 |
| harrymarv | software development facilities were sold to Dassault Systemes, editor of competing CATIA. Next year Matra Datavision decided to publish its CAS.CADE infrastructure under an Open Source model and renamed it Open CASCADE | 11:29 |
| @kanzure | CERN was using CASCADE for a few years. | 11:29 |
| harrymarv | buy catia then | 11:29 |
| @kanzure | buying catia doesn't give you a good open source solution, sadly | 11:29 |
| harrymarv | catia is $10,000 | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | so what | 11:30 |
| harrymarv | per workstation | 11:30 |
| harrymarv | or get freecad for free | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | there's a torrent, or you could just pay $10,000 you know. | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | freecad is sort of a dead-end because opencascade is unmaintainable. | 11:30 |
| harrymarv | thats your choice | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | no, it wasn't my choice that it is unmaintainable | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | wtf dude | 11:30 |
| harrymarv | catia or freecad with simlar functionaly, your choice | 11:31 |
| @kanzure | anyone who has used freecad knows how often it crashes from segmentation faults and null pointers. | 11:31 |
| harrymarv | or get autocad anf pay about $2000 with less functionality | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | autocad is not open source either | 11:32 |
| harrymarv | than freecad or catia | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | i think i hate you | 11:32 |
| harrymarv | or u can get a demo of solidworks | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | harrymarv: conversations go much better if you try to read and understand other people's messages | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | harrymarv: solidworks is not open source either. | 11:33 |
| harrymarv | id say freecad being free and the mostr functional makes it the best | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | BioGuy: i haven't used anything in brlcad about materials, sorry. | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | harrymarv: it's really not that great, though. have you read the opencascade source code for freecad, or have you tried to make a patch? | 11:34 |
| harrymarv | did i say solidworks was open source, no i didnt | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | we were talking about open source cad programs | 11:34 |
| harrymarv | i said u can get a demo | 11:35 |
| ThomasEgi | how about medusa4? it's not open source but free of cost and comes with a linux version | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | and then you start bringing up catia and autodesk and solidworks, which aren't contenders in that category | 11:35 |
| harrymarv | ok freecad then is the best open source cad period | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | heekscad seemed less crashy than freecad to me, plus it was based on the same library that freecad uses. | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | brlcad is by far the best because of their stubborn refusal to compromise on quality, maintainability, testing and awesomeness. | 11:36 |
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| BioGuy | harrymarv Why are you not considering BRL-CAD as an option? | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | the only downside to brlcad is that it doesn't support nurbs geometry at the moment (other than some very primitive operations), but most people don't need that. | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | at the very least, brlcad blows openscad out of the water. | 11:38 |
| harrymarv | its upto you, they are similar, i think freecad is easier to learn thats all | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | or bulldozes. insert appropriate metaphor. | 11:38 |
| harrymarv | they will function equally well | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | learning freecad is sorta useless, because the core functionality will never improve. | 11:38 |
| harrymarv | try them both out | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | i have, fuck you for assuming otherwise | 11:39 |
| harrymarv | and choose as you wish | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | choices should be informed | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | you are just spreading disinformation | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | also, nothing i have said is about the usability of freecad and i don't see how you could conclude otherwise from my messages. | 11:40 |
| @kanzure | ah wait, that was in response to BioGuy asking about your choice to not try brlcad | 11:41 |
| @kanzure | ok sorry, you didn't say i said something about usability. | 11:41 |
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| harrymarv | id choose bricad if ur doing very advanced stuff like engineering a plane then sure | 11:43 |
| harrymarv | if u want simple thou i still think freecsad has the edge | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | brlcad is also very effective for basic parts. | 11:43 |
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| harrymarv | also if you want to do archtecture or floorplans, sketchup 8 is good for that | 11:46 |
| harrymarv | or metropix | 11:46 |
| @kanzure | harrymarv: who are you | 11:46 |
| harrymarv | im the Overman,friedrich nietzsche talked about | 11:48 |
| harrymarv | You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist | 11:50 |
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| Urchin[Emacs] | finally | 11:50 |
| BioGuy | So after you create something in BRL-CAD is it a relatively simple process to print out 2D plans with dimensions to actually make your design? | 11:55 |
| @kanzure | dunno. | 11:57 |
| ThomasEgi | to make your design? from a 2d plan?... that's so the late 19th century | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | also, for the record, harrymarv was kicked because of his weird identity issues and multi-opinionism crap, not because of freecad. in case anyone asks. | 11:58 |
| ThomasEgi | today, most companies making stuff work on cad data exclusively. | 11:58 |
| BioGuy | Except I'm an individual not a company with access to really expensive equipment. I need plans to work from once I'm done designing it on the compy | 12:01 |
| ThomasEgi | well. guess that's ok for simpler stuff. | 12:02 |
| ThomasEgi | how bout medusa then? | 12:02 |
| ThomasEgi | it seemed fairly easy to use from a first glance. | 12:03 |
| ThomasEgi | had a bit of trouble getting it to run on 64bit tho. | 12:03 |
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| nmz787 | how do i throw an error in python | 12:05 |
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| nmz787 | ahh raise | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | raise Exception("yo dawg, i heard you..") | 12:07 |
| ThomasEgi | zombie python... raise! | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | what error should i raise if some numbers dont match? | 12:07 |
| BioGuy | Maybe MEDUSA4 Personal is more what I'm looking for. | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | what error should i raise if some numbers dont match? | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | whops | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | NotImplementedError: MAX_NUCLEOTIDES_RESOLVED is less than the DNA sequence length | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | w/e | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | so i talked to samtec about connectors for circuit boards for 50 minutes | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | i never knew connectors could be so complicated | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | you mean die packaging? | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | nah a surface mount to connector platic thingamajig | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | which you can then insert a cable with a mating connector | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | this kind of connector | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | https://www.samtec.com/technical-specifications/Default.aspx?SeriesMaster=QSH-DP | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | going to this kind of cable https://www.samtec.com/technical-specifications/Default.aspx?SeriesMaster=QSH-DP | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | i want to separate the DLP section of the projector from the control board, so it's lighter and easier to mount on the microscope | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | 40 pins X 2 rows at 0.5mm pitch.. ThomasEgi is that doable by hand? | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | ThomasEgi: I have solderpaste, desolder pump, solder wick.... | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | hot air rework | 12:14 |
| ThomasEgi | nmz787, if it's pins. and not just pads. yeah. with a bit of practice and a bit solder flux that should be ok | 12:15 |
| nmz787 | cool, let's see if they send me free samples :P | 12:16 |
| nmz787 | they said they make all the cables special order | 12:16 |
| ThomasEgi | emphasis on _a bit of practice_ | 12:16 |
| nmz787 | ok | 12:17 |
| nmz787 | i'll have to find some junk to take apart | 12:17 |
| ThomasEgi | getting a breakout board for it would be easier | 12:17 |
| ThomasEgi | or getting a DLP element withouth the projector would be even better | 12:18 |
| ThomasEgi | i think texas instruments sells DLP evaluation kits | 12:18 |
| BioGuy | kanzure out of curiosity what do you use BRL-CAD for? | 12:19 |
| @kanzure | the last major project i did with brlcad was a microfluidic cell sorter/separator | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | ThomasEgi: i could just not unlink the two boards | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | and build a beefier mount | 12:20 |
| ThomasEgi | nmz787, i don't know your boards and the signals. | 12:21 |
| nmz787 | ThomasEgi: took apart a commercial DLP projector | 12:22 |
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| harrymarv | What is the best operating system on the planet? | 12:28 |
| harrymarv | no your wrong | 12:28 |
| ThomasEgi | http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-are-you-fucking-kidding-me-clean-l.png | 12:29 |
| ThomasEgi | besides. it's "you'r wrong" | 12:30 |
| harrymarv | the best os is classified so whichever os you think of is wrong | 12:30 |
| ThomasEgi | sometimes i wish stupidity would be classified,too. but then. a sad and unrealistic wish | 12:31 |
| harrymarv | the Best os right now is the latest version of INTEGRITY | 12:31 |
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| harrymarv | made by greenhills software | 12:32 |
| harrymarv | only available to us military customers | 12:35 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, i tend to rarely agree with you.. but this time... i totaly do. | 12:36 |
| harrymarv | what does kanzure know about anything at all | 12:37 |
| harrymarv | kanzure what is the designation number of the most powerful rocket engine ever made? | 12:38 |
| BioGuy | strange | 12:40 |
| chris_99 | ThomasEgi, have you used a PT100? | 12:42 |
| harrymarv | il give you an easier one | 12:43 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, nope. they were not suited for my uses | 12:43 |
| ThomasEgi | but they are pretty easy to handle | 12:43 |
| chris_99 | is it simply a case of using them like a thermistor | 12:43 |
| BioGuy | Oh good God! I cant believe its already nearly 1pm | 12:44 |
| ThomasEgi | usualy they are used in a wheatstone bridge | 12:44 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 Did you make it out to Beaverton? | 12:44 |
| harrymarv | how and why does the russia fgfa jetfighter have twice the thrust of a US F35 jetfighter? | 12:45 |
| harrymarv | so u give up | 12:49 |
| harrymarv | i knew u didnt know alot | 12:50 |
| harrymarv | who made the longest range, bvr missiles in history in the world? | 12:53 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: nah | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | not today | 12:55 |
| BioGuy | Feel like meeting up for lunch? I can head out towards Hillsboro too | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | hmm, i haven't slept, so i might not be in the best state | 12:57 |
| harrymarv | what is a RS-24 Yars? | 12:57 |
| strangewarp | memorizing data is not the same thing as having useful skills | 12:58 |
| strangewarp | sorry | 12:58 |
| strangewarp | :x | 12:58 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ping | 12:59 |
| harrymarv | YOU HAVE USEFUL SKILLS SUCH AS....? | 12:59 |
| ThomasEgi | such as kicking you off the channel. indeed. | 13:00 |
| harrymarv | SKILLS MY ARSE | 13:00 |
| harrymarv | such as..... | 13:01 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 You've been awake since last night? | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: yes | 13:02 |
| harrymarv | do u have the best 0day exloits code? | 13:03 |
| nmz787 | i only awoke yesterday at 3pm | 13:03 |
| harrymarv | bcos i have | 13:03 |
| harrymarv | and i collect it | 13:03 |
| BioGuy | Damn... I think you might be the first person I've met that has just as much of a horrible sleep routine as I do. | 13:03 |
| harrymarv | how many computers do u have? | 13:04 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: do you count solar-powered pocket-calculators? | 13:04 |
| harrymarv | i have 26 terrabytes of storage | 13:05 |
| harrymarv | on my network | 13:05 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, gratualtion on your big epenis. could you now continue to direct your spam to /dev/null ? thx | 13:05 |
| harrymarv | i have 10 laptops | 13:05 |
| ThomasEgi | btw. it's tera (with one r) .. unless your storage comes in form of earth | 13:06 |
| harrymarv | and 5 servers | 13:06 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, http://cdn.humorswitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/5915053_700b.jpg | 13:06 |
| harrymarv | and i have more data than you have | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | na ahh | 13:07 |
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| nmz787 | i have more data than you times infinity | 13:07 |
| harrymarv | no u dont | 13:07 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, if you want more data. i could netcat you some of my urandom output | 13:07 |
| harrymarv | i have far more | 13:07 |
| harrymarv | i have a 10000 dvd archive | 13:07 |
| ThomasEgi | everyone who cares about that info.. please raise your hands! | 13:08 |
| harrymarv | with data from 1980s upto now | 13:08 |
| * ThomasEgi immitates chirping crickets *chirp... chirp* | 13:08 | |
| nmz787 | you know what they say about a person with lots of data, don't you? | 13:08 |
| harrymarv | i have all the games ever made on all the systems | 13:09 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, no you don't | 13:09 |
| harrymarv | most of them | 13:09 |
| ThomasEgi | but not all | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: you don't have the game kanzure wrote | 13:09 |
| harrymarv | not all but most | 13:09 |
| ThomasEgi | and you don.t have the 3 that i wrote | 13:09 |
| ThomasEgi | btw.. noone here, or on the internet cares what you have. | 13:09 |
| harrymarv | if its shareware i probly do | 13:10 |
| ThomasEgi | no one. | 13:10 |
| nmz787 | no | 13:10 |
| harrymarv | i have the best data archive in here anyways | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | i never released it because i knew the world couldnt handle it's coolness | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | who has the best donut collection | 13:11 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31223826.jpg | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | thats the better story | 13:11 |
| harrymarv | iv got loads of stuff that you cant get anymore | 13:13 |
| ThomasEgi | harrymarv, would you be so kind to name every person who cares about that piece of information? | 13:13 |
| BioGuy | I don't understand | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: do you have all the amos n andy videos? | 13:15 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: i'm also looking for 'first men in the moon' | 13:15 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: do you have a logic analyzer or oscilloscope? | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: i am also looking for naan kadavul | 13:18 |
| harrymarv | the movie or the book? | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | harrymarv: for which? | 13:19 |
| BioGuy | No, BrainSilo has a bunch of oscilloscopes (I think) not sure about a logic analyzer. I don't really know too much about electronics. | 13:19 |
| harrymarv | for both | 13:19 |
| nmz787 | audio and video for first men in the moon, video for naan kadavul | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | tv series videos for amos n andy | 13:20 |
| harrymarv | first men in the moon 1964 version? | 13:21 |
| harrymarv | or the new 3d version? | 13:22 |
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| juri_ | thank you. | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: pong | 13:25 |
| juri_ | i just read through all of that backlog. what a defective | 13:25 |
| juri_ | I mean, OK, i'm crazy, but that person.. is a child. | 13:26 |
| strangewarp | I am self-conscious about my total lack of useful skills outside of the arts, oof. In hindsight I shouldn't have poked him about that.. | 13:28 |
| juri_ | what, are we counting the arts as a skill now? | 13:28 |
| juri_ | (i'm joking, BTW. :) | 13:29 |
| strangewarp | heh | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | i thought you did some programming these days | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | and what's wrong with useful arts | 13:29 |
| strangewarp | I program only well enough to have made something that's useful to maybe 5 musicians, if that's what you mean. :P | 13:30 |
| juri_ | That counts. | 13:30 |
| juri_ | there are certainly useful arts. but there are a lot more 'useless' artists, at least when viewed from my paticular cultural slant. | 13:31 |
| juri_ | when people acuse me of being an artist or creative, i get grumpy. i can do what i do specifically because i'm not creative, and chase every bit of 'whimsy' out of what i am doing. | 13:32 |
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| harrymarv | thepiratebay.se/torrent/5778205/Naan_Kadavul_(2009)_Tamil_Movie | 13:33 |
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| strangewarp | Yeah, a lot of people trying to be artists are only doing it because they.. want to be artists, without having any overarcing ideology or critical ability. And that sort of uselessness peeves me off as well. | 13:33 |
| @kanzure | there are many artists that are highly technical | 13:34 |
| @kanzure | some of them end up being douchebags (cough stelarc) but whatever | 13:34 |
| strangewarp | hahahah | 13:35 |
| juri_ | there are certainly artists i respect.. like the one who's kind enough to draw up logos for my websites, or web designers in general. those are skills i can't touch. | 13:35 |
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| Juul | does anyone know of a list of existing PCR kits/designs ? | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | just diybio stuff, or all commercial thermocyclers? | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | or do you mean reagent kits? | 14:04 |
| Juul | diybio stuff, not reagent kits, just the machines | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | openpcr, lightbulb pcr, griessen pcr, aircycler, laser droplet pcr, jojack's circular fluid thing oh crap i forget the name | 14:06 |
| Juul | lava-amp? | 14:06 |
| @kanzure | yes that one | 14:07 |
| Juul | thanks :) some of those i hadn't heard of | 14:07 |
| @kanzure | wiremound-pcr | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | hackteria probably built their own project but i don't know any name | 14:11 |
| @kanzure | Juul: have any ideas for what i should do with blackhatbio.com? | 14:14 |
| Juul | kanzure, hah! maybe connect it to a tor hidden service where people can submit IP from big biotech | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | ooh. | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | i was thinking organ market. | 14:16 |
| Juul | lol! | 14:16 |
| Juul | my friend was having trouble getting the right agar plates to culture gonorrhea | 14:16 |
| Juul | so supplies for BSL2+ would be nice | 14:17 |
| juri_ | kanzure: i'm the owner of organleggers.org | 14:18 |
| juri_ | so, when its blackmarket organ time, i'm there. ;) | 14:18 |
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| @kanzure | juri_: sometimes i wonder what the real market price of organs should really be | 14:23 |
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| juri_ | at the rate things are going now? expensive as all hell, and all of the money should go into research. | 14:30 |
| juri_ | you could get me behind a movement to have a sliding scale for all medicine, based on age. | 14:31 |
| juri_ | I know that's pretty cold of me.. but i've suffered from medical problems all of my life, and had to pay every dime out of pocket. our system is broken, and for me, i can't see it getting much worse. | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | well, i mean, if a liver is really worth $2M, maybe it's profitable to have kids and sell livers. | 14:35 |
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| ThomasEgi | hm.. how much does a child cost these days? | 14:50 |
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| juri_ | it depends where you get them from. | 15:01 |
| ThomasEgi | not the inital costs. but the maintainance until grown up | 15:03 |
| ThomasEgi | TCO or so | 15:04 |
| ThomasEgi | and.. doesn't the kidney sell for the price of a modern smartphone/tablet? | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | no i don't think it's that cheap | 15:05 |
| ThomasEgi | hm i do remember one story bout a chinese kid who sold his kidney for an ipad or iphone. | 15:06 |
| @kanzure | that kid was a dumb though | 15:06 |
| ThomasEgi | in that case.. the kid got ripped of hard grown kidney money. | 15:06 |
| @kanzure | he had no idea about the market price | 15:06 |
| @kanzure | yes | 15:06 |
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| nmz787 | i bet i could convince my gf to bear a GM baby | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | why? just pay for a surrogacy pregnancy. | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | this isn't the 1920s | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | true dat | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | so this projector is pretty cool! | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | every time i hear women complaining about pregnancy i roll my eyes. you chose it, instead of a surrogacy. | 15:48 |
| nmz787 | blowing the image up to 8 inches wide is pretty dim with the watt or so LED i'm using for a lamp | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | (for whatever reason, most people don't seem to be informed of that particular technology) | 15:49 |
| nmz787 | but it get's pretty bright when i focus the image to like 1 cm wide! | 15:49 |
| nmz787 | gotta do the calcs for light power per area | 15:49 |
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| jrayhawk | i wouldn't trust a surrogate to optimize epigenetic conditions properly | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: because the surrogate services are terrible? sounds like a business opportunity. | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | charlie's surrogates :( | 16:56 |
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| delinquentme | Juul, are you around today? I was thinking about stopping over at sudo room / oakland | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | tonight probably | 16:58 |
| Juul | delinquentme, i'll be there tonight yeah | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | solid | 16:58 |
| Juul | damn, this stupid car alarm keeps going off | 16:59 |
| Juul | and the asshole refuses to disable it | 16:59 |
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| Juul | i know the same cheapo oversensitive alarm is a problem in other places in this neighborhood | 16:59 |
| Juul | we really need to implement a replay attack | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | it's too bad that json and yaml don't keep comments | 17:00 |
| Juul | i agree | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | ideally it would keep comments until you cast it to something that isn't a "whateveryaml" object. | 17:10 |
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| ThomasEgi | Juul, EMP | 17:40 |
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| @kanzure | well there goes willow garage | 18:06 |
| @kanzure | http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-software/willow-garage-to-shut-down | 18:06 |
| @kanzure | "industrial perception" ? | 18:07 |
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| nmz787 | whoever harrymarv was was really disappointing | 18:11 |
| nmz787 | talked all about his data collection, then i legit wanted some old type data, and that was when he shut up | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | huh? was he harrassing you by pm? | 18:12 |
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| @kanzure | "Instead of paying up to $70,000 in the United States, a woman can hire an Indian surrogate and pay all associated medical costs for just $12,000." | 19:17 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: how likely is it that there's any surrogacy clinic doing genetic work pre-implantation? | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | in the world? I'd put it at 50/50 for human germline modification in general right now | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | what about stem cell -> embryo work? i think there was a paper about that recently, so it's probably not happening yet. | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | erm i mean stem cell -> germline cell lines | 19:28 |
| yashgaroth | you mean like nuclear cloning? | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | sure | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | or growing germ cells in vitro | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | eh i just mean "for people who don't have embryos laying around" in general. | 19:29 |
| yashgaroth | oh I can get you an embryo | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | haha | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | anyway, i'm trying to figure out if there's any fertility clinics that are doing genetic work already. | 19:30 |
| yashgaroth | IVF is pretty well advanced, they can test for recessive disorders etc, so it should be easy to test if a transgene is present in the embryo | 19:30 |
| yashgaroth | if you expose the sperm to a viral vector, or use sperm-mediated gene transfer | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | what about modifying the embryonic genome though | 19:31 |
| @kanzure | (not the sperm) | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | or inject a virus into the testes and use cell sorting to select a transformed sperm | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | oh uh that's more complicated | 19:31 |
| @kanzure | this is why i am asking :p | 19:31 |
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| @kanzure | a friend of mine claims he had genetic work done prior to implanting the embryo in a surrogate | 19:32 |
| yashgaroth | viruses have a variable efficiency, so you don't really want to expose embryos to them and hope for the best | 19:32 |
| yashgaroth | are you sure he wasn't talking about genetic testing? | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | and for whatever reason i didn't follow up with him on that immediately (he was swollowed by a crowd of people) | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | maybe he was, he likes to talk himself up like that :) | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | no i was thinking of something like somatic nuclear transfer of a modified genome into an embryo or something | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | testing for recessive disorders and trisomy and such are doable by single-cell pcr on one cell from an 8-cell embryo | 19:33 |
| @kanzure | s/embryo/blastocyte or whatever the earlier stage is supposed to be called | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | oh well sure that's just traditional cloning | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | plus the genetic modification | 19:33 |
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| yashgaroth | so you infect a region of skin or whatever with the virus, and then transfer a bunch of transformed nuclei | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | huh? i would have expected that to be done in vitro. | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | you could do, I suppose | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | I was gonna say 'it's such a hassle to grow primary cells' but then again nuclear transfer is infinitely more hassle | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean? hard to find and poke a cell and make sure it takes? | 19:36 |
| yashgaroth | mhm, the efficiency of somatic transfer is still absurdly low, and you get a lot of weird abnormalities | 19:36 |
| yashgaroth | I'm trying to put myself in the mind of a clandestine chinese government lab | 19:37 |
| yashgaroth | I'd always focused my interest on germ cell modification, since that's a lot easier | 19:38 |
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| delinquentme | http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-software/willow-garage-to-shut-down#.URmStSCZfZI.hackernews | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | nope, it's a lie | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | http://www.willowgarage.com/blog/2013/02/11/willow-garage-changing | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | "Willow Garage has decided to enter the world of commercial opportunities with an eye to becoming a self-sustaining company. This is an important change to our funding model." | 19:55 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | who in the bay area will buy my shaker? | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | you've got contacts ... I wont tell them I got their info from you | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: did you make one? | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, yeah its here in the apartment | 20:05 |
| @kanzure | biocurious might buy one | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | east-bay-diybio might buy another one | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | ask kent kemmish for a list of biotech startups | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | or max hodak | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | you could try selling to some biotech suppliers | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | i'm not aware of any suppliers in the bay area | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | i've talked with mpbiomedical regarding their multi thousand dollar shaker | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | it was for cell disruption though | 20:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: there are many | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: list 'em | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: tell me more | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, you might have something there | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, It needs a larger PSU, a bigger stepper ... an enclosure and a heat source | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | and I can then sell it for like $3000 | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | which I plan on making some calls for :D | 20:11 |
| delinquentme | phark yar | 20:11 |
| delinquentme | also I cannot find cheap ass gyms | 20:11 |
| nmz787 | hrmm, i may be tired and hazy and thinking of all the vapourware companies | 20:11 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: is this jmil's orbital shaker design? | 20:12 |
| nmz787 | http://www.allstarsci.com/store/ | 20:12 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, yeah its part of it | 20:12 |
| delinquentme | but IDK | 20:12 |
| delinquentme | i think those are getting replaced | 20:13 |
| delinquentme | with simply friction plastic bearings | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | so it's working? | 20:13 |
| nmz787 | http://www.allstarsci.com/store/ | 20:14 |
| yashgaroth | do you have video of it? | 20:14 |
| nmz787 | http://www.biotechequipmentsales.com/ | 20:14 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: http://baybio.org/membership/baybio-members/ | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | how much have you spent on parts? | 20:16 |
| delinquentme | $275 | 20:17 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, it is working | 20:17 |
| delinquentme | I can make one | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | youtube? | 20:17 |
| delinquentme | ^ @ yashgaroth | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | go for it | 20:17 |
| yashgaroth | ah cool | 20:17 |
| delinquentme | im supposed to meet w mac and take some decent shots of it | 20:18 |
| delinquentme | hes got like the mac store table n shit so that would be perfect | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | table? | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | oh ok. | 20:18 |
| delinquentme | lol dont judge me on the rink-a-dink table / lighting | 20:18 |
| delinquentme | yeah I need some decent product shots to put it up and sell it | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | how long does assembly take you? | 20:18 |
| klafka | hey | 20:20 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1315223 | 20:21 |
| @paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Microfabrication%20of%20ultra-thick%20SU-8%20photoresist%20for%20microengines.pdf | 20:21 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://nanolithography.spiedigitallibrary.org/article.aspx?articleid=1097667 | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | eww watermarks | 20:21 |
| @paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ultrathick%20SU-8%20fabrication%20for%20microreciprocating%20engines.pdf | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | what does SPIE stand for? | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | "international society for optics and photonics" | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | how do you get SPIE from that | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPIE | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | "Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers" | 20:24 |
| nmz787 | it's a long story | 20:25 |
| nmz787 | they changed their group name a bunch of times | 20:25 |
| nmz787 | and i guess some got tired before others | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | "On July 1, 1955 SPIE was founded as the Society of Photographic Instrumentation Engineers in California to specialize in the application of photographic instrumentation. In 1964 the Society formally changed its name to the Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers." | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | "In 1977 SPIE moved its headquarters to Bellingham, Washington, and in 1981, to reflect a changing Membership, the Society began doing business as SPIE—The International Society for Optical Engineering. In 2007, the Society ended its DBA, and is referred to simply as SPIE." | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | hmm. | 20:25 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, too long right now ... but I just need a cheap replacement for ballast | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | well okay. issue added: https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/20 | 20:26 |
| delinquentme | then... first approximation ... like 2 hrs? | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | have any pre-orders yet? | 20:27 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: any crappy pics? | 20:31 |
| delinquentme | Oh definitely haha | 20:31 |
| delinquentme | uploading atm | 20:31 |
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| delinquentme | https://github.com/delinquentme/OSS001/tree/master/images | 20:31 |
| delinquentme | pics | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | are those taped down -_- | 20:32 |
| Juul | delinquentme, hey are you at sudo? | 20:32 |
| delinquentme | Juul, nah I was meaning to check on the BART .. but then realized that the shaker was still in piece | 20:33 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, those? .. I dont think there is any tape? | 20:33 |
| @kanzure | maybe it's rubber then https://github.com/delinquentme/OSS001/blob/master/images/IMG_20130104_000508.jpg | 20:33 |
| cpopell | yashgaroth : flying out tomorrow | 20:33 |
| yashgaroth | coo' | 20:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, oh yeah big ass rubberbands | 20:34 |
| cpopell | Barone said we can probably crash on his floor space | 20:34 |
| cpopell | but I'm still trying to get utilization of finfer's mansion | 20:34 |
| cpopell | :D | 20:34 |
| yashgaroth | mansion eh | 20:34 |
| cpopell | he rents this big honking thing with a bunch of other people | 20:34 |
| yashgaroth | aww, well still | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJsvbEDFzQg | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | now that I look at the speed they're definitely not 150 / 300 | 20:35 |
| cpopell | anyway. | 20:35 |
| cpopell | I'm in town tomorrow afternoon/evening | 20:35 |
| cpopell | wed/thurs is probably local shit | 20:36 |
| cpopell | if you know a local watering hole we could do that thurs night | 20:36 |
| delinquentme | cpopell, you're in south cali? | 20:36 |
| cpopell | delinquentme : Visiting. | 20:36 |
| delinquentme | cpopell, ahhh solid | 20:36 |
| cpopell | home (vista), frienda (LA), girl (Irvine) | 20:36 |
| yashgaroth | local as in vista, or san diego? | 20:36 |
| cpopell | ehh, aren't you in carlsbad? | 20:37 |
| yashgaroth | nope, mira mesa | 20:37 |
| yashgaroth | lab's in carlsbad | 20:37 |
| cpopell | ah, sheee | 20:37 |
| yashgaroth | hence my apprehension | 20:37 |
| cpopell | is there anything going on wed or thurs night? | 20:37 |
| cpopell | at lab? | 20:37 |
| yashgaroth | only tuesday that I know of | 20:37 |
| cpopell | Hm. if i get in on time I'll try to make it out there | 20:37 |
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| cpopell | otherwise we'll plan for late morning friday drive up (if Finfer is around), and early afternoon (if he's not) | 20:38 |
| yashgaroth | 5:30 at 2351 faraday ave, hopefully lasting a couple hours | 20:38 |
| cpopell | we could always go hang with haywire....>_> <_< >_> | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | or you could, you know, not do that | 20:38 |
| yashgaroth | haha | 20:38 |
| cpopell | kanzure: Precisely. | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | oh god you're dating her | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | i just know it | 20:39 |
| cpopell | no I'm not O_o | 20:39 |
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| @kanzure | you sure? | 20:39 |
| cpopell | There's nothing about her that attracts me. | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | k | 20:39 |
| cpopell | Sure, I might have tried to sleep with her... | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | different story | 20:39 |
| cpopell | but no, I'm not dating her. | 20:39 |
| yashgaroth | only anissimov is crazy enough to date her | 20:39 |
| delinquentme | Juul, any idea how late BART runs? | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | anissimov dated her? | 20:39 |
| cpopell | the closest thing to a girl I'm dating is the aero/mech down in irvine | 20:39 |
| cpopell | anissimov is currently dating her I think. | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i've seen some 1am runs, but nothing much later | 20:39 |
| cpopell | or something with her. | 20:39 |
| yashgaroth | kanzure: so sayeth the jojack | 20:40 |
| Juul | delinquentme, what's your station? | 20:40 |
| cpopell | The rumor mill says it's why she got a foothold in Humanity+ | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: what are the rubber bands for? | 20:40 |
| delinquentme | im guessing the civic center | 20:41 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, holding things down | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | nice, you should go crash in on langton labs | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | go say hi to 3scan and cambrian genomics and the others | 20:41 |
| delinquentme | I've got a few designs for other setups | 20:41 |
| Juul | delinquentme, you're in SF? | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | they are right next to civic center | 20:41 |
| delinquentme | Juul, Yeap | 20:41 |
| cpopell | Lemminkainen is out there too | 20:42 |
| cpopell | and his mad scientist gf | 20:42 |
| @kanzure | lemminkainen lives in langton? | 20:42 |
| cpopell | san fran | 20:42 |
| @kanzure | erm, if you wanted to enumerate a list of sf people this is really ineffective | 20:42 |
| Juul | delinquentme, 12:49 am | 20:43 |
| Juul | from sudo to civic | 20:43 |
| Juul | http://www.bart.gov/schedules/bystation.aspx | 20:43 |
| @kanzure | just uber yourself home | 20:43 |
| @kanzure | once you uber you never go back. your chances of stepping in poop on the way home are like 0.0001% compared to bart. | 20:44 |
| klafka | ummm uber is expensive | 20:44 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ | 20:44 |
| delinquentme | I'm okay w poop | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | uber is pretty cheap compared to your salary klafka | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | lyft is a solid option | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | i don't have uber in austin yet :( | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | otherwise i would totally be ubering myself to get groceries | 20:45 |
| delinquentme | Juul, tell me what you think -- I'd totally sit down w you and Ryan if you want ... or I can jump down that way as I'm pretty sure I can still do that | 20:46 |
| klafka | kanzure: lol | 20:46 |
| Juul | delinquentme, think about OSS or about you coming here tonight? | 20:47 |
| klafka | but i have a serious drug habit to spend money on | 20:47 |
| klafka | also food | 20:47 |
| klafka | (joking - mostly on the first part) | 20:47 |
| @fenn | we take our drugs seriously | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | Juul, lets do tomorrow ... as right now I'm doing a bit of troubleshooting and want to go for a run | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | ALSO .. will I die in SF's golden gate park at night? | 20:48 |
| @fenn | no | 20:48 |
| Juul | delinquentme, not sure, i haven't much experience | 20:48 |
| klafka | like are you sleeping there? | 20:48 |
| Juul | delinquentme, ok tomorrow is good | 20:49 |
| @fenn | you better hurry up if you want to catch the BART tho | 20:49 |
| delinquentme | Juul, awesome | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | fenn, you're here too huh?? | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | I'm in town! | 20:50 |
| delinquentme | be afraid | 20:50 |
| @fenn | no, i'm on mars | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | fenn often mistakes himself for the curiosity rover. | 20:51 |
| delinquentme | fenn, be there in 5 | 20:51 |
| @fenn | the teleoperated self portrait drives them all wild | 20:51 |
| delinquentme | ERMAGERD | 20:51 |
| klafka | fenn you're still at that... bio loft place right? | 20:51 |
| klafka | i forgot the name of it | 20:51 |
| @fenn | no, i sort of lost the plot | 20:52 |
| klafka | aah | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: btw, good work. let me know if you need anything else. | 20:52 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I think I'm good ... its time to start cold calling or finding ways for warm intros | 20:52 |
| delinquentme | maybe Stanford profs who support OSH >> who they source their equipment >> get intro | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | sell to supplier | 20:53 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: it needs some paint and holes for rubber bands | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | fenn, the concrete is gonna go ... IDK what replacement material yet | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | but thats just the one researchers feedback | 20:53 |
| @fenn | you can only have 4 plates with your current rubber band strategy | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | but really he was serious about bart | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | the concrete is AWESOME ballast ... That thing could shake like 6 levels high | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, im staying local for tonight :D | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | fenn, correct .. but rubberbands are cheap | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | 31 plates on a layer | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | so for PLATES | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | its awesomely dense | 20:54 |
| @fenn | hm i guess they'll pack together since they're all the same size and shape | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | and like tissue culture wells ... the 6 well ones... would work amazingly with its current setup | 20:54 |
| @fenn | you couldn't do that with round flasks though | 20:55 |
| @fenn | 31 is an odd number | 20:55 |
| @fenn | and a prime, but what i mean is i'd expect something like a square or a rectangular number | 20:56 |
| Juul | your amazing rubber band technology has some limitations | 20:56 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 20:56 |
| delinquentme | true. | 20:56 |
| @fenn | like the inability to remove a single plate from the center without disassembling the whole shebang | 20:56 |
| delinquentme | fenn, true ... those are mounting issues | 20:56 |
| delinquentme | I wonder if I've got a sketch of the other mount option ... | 20:57 |
| delinquentme | or schematic rather | 20:57 |
| Juul | just use more gravity | 20:58 |
| @fenn | nop. maybe vacuum would work, but really it just needs more rubber bands | 20:58 |
| Juul | more gravity ~= more gravity | 20:58 |
| Juul | ach ~= more rubber bands | 20:58 |
| * Juul fails | 20:58 | |
| @fenn | unfortunately we don't yet possess artificial gravity technology, we only have inertial mass | 20:58 |
| @fenn | one rubber band per plate, holes on diagonals | 20:59 |
| @fenn | something like 75% on a pie chart | 21:00 |
| @fenn | you can add two bands for irregularly shaped containers | 21:01 |
| @fenn | a c-shaped hole i mean | 21:01 |
| delinquentme | so I could almost just mount a perf board to it | 21:01 |
| @fenn | yeah | 21:01 |
| @fenn | non-slip foam tool cabinet liner might be a good idea too | 21:02 |
| @fenn | just to increase friction. at low shake rates you might not even need hold-downs | 21:03 |
| delinquentme | fenn, yeah rubber bands are cheap | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | Lemme find the sketch for the other option | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | I've got a simple solution to put the bands about 2" above the surface ... just in a grid ... that way you just stretch the bands and you can put something like an erlenmeyer | 21:05 |
| delinquentme | cpopell, kanzure who is Lemminkainen | 21:06 |
| cpopell | Alexander Honkala | 21:06 |
| delinquentme | twitter says hes in Vegas | 21:08 |
| cpopell | yeah, he's back in san fran | 21:10 |
| delinquentme | cpopell, cool who are you so I can invite myself to the convo :D | 21:15 |
| cpopell | delinquentme : Don't I already have you on fb? | 21:15 |
| delinquentme | OHHHHHH | 21:17 |
| delinquentme | yeahhh didnt put it together! | 21:17 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: pics look good | 21:17 |
| nmz787 | ttyl | 21:17 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, solid. | 21:18 |
| delinquentme | Juul, time constraints tomorrow? | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | I was gonna grab lunch in soma then head over that way | 21:19 |
| Juul | delinquentme, sounds good | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | COOOOLLL | 21:22 |
| delinquentme | lol | 21:22 |
| delinquentme | how the fuck is everyone so awesome around hereeee | 21:22 |
| delinquentme | I dont even get it | 21:22 |
| klafka | lol | 21:23 |
| delinquentme | klafka, OMG you can come party with us too haha | 21:24 |
| * delinquentme goes to dig out his graph paper | 21:24 | |
| klafka | huh when? | 21:24 |
| delinquentme | tomorrow after like 1 | 21:24 |
| klafka | i'm going to a booty house party on friday and i'm tabling for dancesafe on saturday | 21:24 |
| klafka | ah i have to work till probably 6-7 tomorrow | 21:25 |
| delinquentme | klafka, what is a booty house part | 21:25 |
| delinquentme | nm just invite | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | you could go dig up brownies, i'm sure he would love your company. | 21:25 |
| klafka | lol | 21:25 |
| delinquentme | and dance safe? is that like taking care of raver kids? | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | ( totally cool ) | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | brownies, | 21:26 |
| klafka | oh there is the pillow fight on thursday | 21:26 |
| klafka | delinquentme: basically | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | brownies, brownies brownies brownies | 21:26 |
| klafka | delinquentme: http://www.facebook.com/events/559611874050876/?ref=2 | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | klafka, thats effing awesome | 21:26 |
| klafka | http://www.facebook.com/events/294114484024266/?ref=2 | 21:26 |
| klafka | http://www.facebook.com/events/463800240332881/ | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | TIL "glitch" is a type of music | 21:27 |
| delinquentme | .. im guessing defined by the glitch mob? | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | glitch core, etc. heath is our resident glitchbit expert. | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | PDFNotImplementedError: Unsupported filter: /DCTDecode | 21:30 |
| mutagen | no | 21:34 |
| mutagen | glitch mob isnt even glitch | 21:34 |
| mutagen | they dont even self define as such | 21:34 |
| klafka | heh | 21:39 |
| klafka | glitch mob helped define glitch in like 2007 | 21:39 |
| klafka | their music is suitable distinct from it now though | 21:40 |
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| delinquentme | klafka, youtube link to 2007 stuff? | 21:44 |
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| klafka | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUaWiYs9djg | 21:55 |
| klafka | fine | 21:55 |
| @kanzure | pdfparanoia now supports SPIE.. sort of. it seems to delete too much of the document (images, etc.). | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | but i'm not sure why it's doing this | 21:56 |
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| @kanzure | it's deleting object 55 from the sample in the git repo. | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | and this removes the watermark from each page | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | but it also makes some paragraphs disappear. | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | anyone want to figure out why? :/ | 21:57 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/20#commit-ref-caed396 | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/commit/caed396870a6307e203a1087118468b1e5916de4 | 21:59 |
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