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| nmz787 | hi BioGuy | 00:13 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, Did you apply for membership to BioCurious Printer Hacking? | 00:43 |
| @kanzure | maybe a long time ago, dunno | 00:51 |
| nmz787 | i think i'm a member | 00:51 |
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| chris_99 | is it possible to cross-breed yeast if that's the correct term, so if i for example extracted the DNA from a pure yeast culture, could i introduce it into another culture? | 05:07 |
| @fenn | yes, but that's usually called transfection or transformation | 05:18 |
| chris_99 | thanks, i didn't know the correct terminology | 05:19 |
| chris_99 | if i was to do that at home, could i then culture the new yeast, and perform electrophoresis, to see whether i had actually modified it compared to the results from the original yeasts | 05:21 |
| @fenn | it's worth noting that yeast can reproduce sexually | 05:21 |
| chris_99 | i thought they where asexual | 05:22 |
| @fenn | swings both ways | 05:22 |
| @fenn | are you talking about DNA fingerprinting? | 05:24 |
| chris_99 | i was yeah, but i didn't thinking brewers yeast interbred, because it uses mitosis doesn't it | 05:25 |
| @fenn | i dont actually know whether meiotic recombination is higher efficiency than electroporation | 05:31 |
| @fenn | either way you'll probably have to select for a trait | 05:32 |
| @fenn | this is a bit too hypothetical for me | 05:32 |
| chris_99 | "When diploid cells begin to run out of food, they undergo meiosis" didn't know that. Cheers for you're help, i'll do some more reading | 05:42 |
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| Skittyplus | Hey guys, I've found about about this community and I'm really interested in knowing more | 08:28 |
| Skittyplus | I've been looking into the implications of whats theoretically possible in the future through biohacking and understanding genomics and now I want to know everything I can to get started | 08:30 |
| Skittyplus | Anyone do any biohacking here? | 08:31 |
| Skittyplus | or anyone know anything about genomes? | 08:31 |
| chris_99 | have a look at the wiki in the topic btw theres lots of useful stuff, also this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Molecular-Biology-Cell-Bruce-Alberts/dp/0815341067 is cool | 08:34 |
| Skittyplus | That book looks interesting I may take a look at it sometime | 08:45 |
| @fenn | "the implications of what's theoretically possible in the future" makes me think of orion's arm | 08:51 |
| @fenn | Skittyplus: i'm afraid there's a huge gap between how genetic engineering is actually practiced and how it's talked about | 08:52 |
| Mariu | fenn: any news of Orion's Arm MMO ? | 08:53 |
| @fenn | no idea, sorry | 08:54 |
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| Skittyplus | fenn: I'm starting to realize that, but even if theres a huge gap I don't mind, that means there is a lot more to be discovered | 09:00 |
| Skittyplus | It's good to be an early adopter of things :) | 09:00 |
| Skittyplus | That's not to say there isn't amazing things going on right now either. The whole fact that biology is begining to be practiced by non-universities and corporations is a giant leap in the right direction | 09:02 |
| @fenn | depends on your definition i guess | 09:03 |
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| Skittyplus | It does, I don't know I just find this really facinating right now, I don't really know too much about what's going on I heard about this and now I'm fascinated | 09:05 |
| Skittyplus | I'm going to have to learn more about biology and GM before I start to realize the limitations | 09:07 |
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| docl | I'm looking to understand more about chicken eyes, as I'm under the impression that they would serve as a good model for inexpensive cryonics research. | 09:19 |
| docl | hrm. maybe instead of googling, I should try my local library. | 09:22 |
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| VALIS | hey all | 11:11 |
| VALIS | whats going on | 11:11 |
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| VALIS | hey eudoxia | 11:16 |
| eudoxia | hey VALIS | 11:17 |
| VALIS | whats going on | 11:18 |
| eudoxia | i dunno i just logged in | 11:18 |
| eudoxia | check the logs | 11:18 |
| VALIS | im trying to work out an angle for synthetic biology and international development | 11:19 |
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| @kanzure | https://github.com/flx/luaCSG | 11:29 |
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| @kanzure | that was the deskgen.com guy | 11:59 |
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| @kanzure | docl: maybe you should consider sending out some emails to the existing authors on nearby subjects. | 12:01 |
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| @kanzure | common latencies https://gist.github.com/jboner/2841832 | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | possibly useful hosted phantomjs thing http://tubes.io/ (haven't tried it yet) | 12:30 |
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| @kanzure | huh.... fbi foia request turned up nothing. | 13:08 |
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| @kanzure | 404 file not found. | 13:23 |
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| streety | kanzure, that seems amazingly quick | 13:58 |
| @kanzure | the request was sent 2013-01-27 | 13:59 |
| jrayhawk | if you request it again, you can see your first request | 14:13 |
| @kanzure | i made requests in 2009 and 2010 | 14:17 |
| jrayhawk | oh, weird | 14:24 |
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| @kanzure | is there any evidence that other people see their own foia requests when they make a request the next time? | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | jblake did | 14:56 |
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| @kanzure | what does this mean? | 15:06 |
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| BioGuy | Hey! | 16:30 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: any ideas for how to add a timeout for touch events in android? | 18:16 |
| nmz787 | i'm using jcrop and it's hard to scroll | 18:16 |
| nmz787 | because it doesn't differentiate betweena scroll tap and a crop tap | 18:17 |
| @kanzure | there's a getLongPressTimeout | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewConfiguration.html | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | iirc it's something about overriding onTouchEvent and adding in your own callback that gets triggered after some amount of time | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | possibly android.view.GestureDetector.SimpleOnGestureListener | 18:33 |
| nmz787 | is that in jquery? | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | i'm working on a web page | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | i assumed you meant you were working in java | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | anyway in javascript you'll have to bind some event handlers to click/tap/mousedown/mouseup/mousemove. | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | like this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2625240/687783 | 18:49 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: sup? | 18:56 |
| yashgaroth | nm | 18:57 |
| yashgaroth | didn't get to meet with the la biohackers | 18:57 |
| yashgaroth | mostly just played board games with programmers | 18:58 |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269310003370 | 19:19 |
| paperbot | KeyError: u'\u2013' (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py", line 1268, in quote) | 19:19 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=0253a0a9 Bryan Bishop: allow unicode in filenames when returning a url | 19:25 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 19:25 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-17 03:25:51) | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269310003370 | 19:25 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Radial%20motion%20into%20an%20EinsteinRosen%20bridge.pdf | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | "However, Akrit’s progress came at a price: frustrated with the perceived lack of support for his gifted son, Akrit’s father became depressed and left the family home last year, telling him not to get in touch until Akrit had found a cure for cancer." | 19:34 |
| brownies | kanzure: wtf? | 19:36 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: agreed. | 19:38 |
| brownies | kanzure: source? | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1604355/posts | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | the story is mostly unverified and uninteresting, i just found that particular quote amusing. | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | evidence that the hearing aid industry is broken (no surprise) http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/12/hear-well-in-a-noisy-world/index.htm | 19:45 |
| streety | Channel 5 isn't exactly known for its robust reporting - still, good luck to the kid | 19:45 |
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| panax | just got back my 23andme | 20:21 |
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| archbox | Nice | 21:00 |
| archbox | panax: think it was worth it? | 21:00 |
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| panax | yeah | 21:18 |
| panax | i have apoe4/4 | 21:18 |
| panax | so im highest risk of alzheimer's | 21:19 |
| @fenn | better start chugging the magnesium | 21:32 |
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| jrayhawk | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=alzheimers+insulin+resistance usual metabolic syndrome stuff | 21:46 |
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| ParahSail1n | just eat enough cholesterol and youll be fine | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | fenn: sup | 22:03 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: oscope recommendations? | 22:36 |
| docl | http://www.nih.gov/science/models/nmm/appd.html chickens are much cheaper for embryonic research, at least. still not sure about eye research (compared to mice). | 22:50 |
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| docl | kanzure: good idea. I'll hunt for some email addresses of authors. | 22:57 |
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| @fenn | i haven't looked at oscilloscopes in years.. my knowledge is rather out of date. it also depends what you want to use it for | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | well, it seems dumb that probes/function generators/whatever rolled into an antique box should cost so much. | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | surely you can just buy some shitbox and throw in a card and write, you know, software? | 23:27 |
| @fenn | well if you only want ~20kHz sampling you can use a soundcard and the "oscope" software package | 23:30 |
| @fenn | package xoscope | 23:32 |
| @fenn | it should be possible to mash together a high speed ADC, RAM, oscillator, and USB interface | 23:32 |
| @fenn | and a counter | 23:32 |
| @fenn | i had a project a while ago to build the "miniLA" and add an ADC, but the extremely fine-pitch soldering was a hang up | 23:33 |
| @kanzure | thanks, that's exactly what i wanted. | 23:35 |
| @fenn | you have to bypass the input filter capacitors on the soundcard if you want to measure DC signals | 23:36 |
| @fenn | maybe using a cheap USB soundcard is more convenient overall | 23:37 |
| nmz787 | propscope has a creative commons schematic | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | and propalyzer software seems pretty good | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | all the high speed ADCs are SMD components that don't have legs to solder onto | 23:51 |
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