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| @kanzure | who among you has an emotiv epoc? | 00:14 |
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| archels | sheena1: check out http://www.bunniestudios.com/ | 01:25 |
| archels | kanzure: was it scathen^C who reverse engineered its protocol or is my memory failing me? | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | archels: it was me, then daeken came along and picked up my slack. | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | archels: i've been fixing the gyro byte parsing and a few other things https://github.com/kanzure/emokit/commits/develop | 01:29 |
| @kanzure | some other people have been really trashing this library.. the battery stuff is all wrong. | 01:29 |
| archels | oh daeken, yes | 01:37 |
| archels | Do you find the headset useful for anything serious? As an extra interface, for neurofeedback training, anything? | 01:38 |
| @kanzure | i don't have one | 01:38 |
| @kanzure | i was borrowing a friend's for a while, and i think it's awful. | 01:39 |
| archels | hah | 01:39 |
| @kanzure | i also think their business model is lame. | 01:39 |
| archels | the emotiv in particular, or the present generation of EEG headsets in general? | 01:39 |
| @kanzure | yes to both. | 01:39 |
| @kanzure | i do not have a high opinion of eeg. | 01:40 |
| * archels nod | 01:40 | |
| @kanzure | and emotiv's business model is just silly.. walled garden, sell the device at a loss, make up for it by selling software. fuck that. | 01:40 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZHI_r4aBM | 02:05 |
| @kanzure | .title | 02:05 |
| yoleaux | Make Love - Daft Punk - YouTube | 02:05 |
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| nmz787 | why isn't nickserv identify working for me? | 02:33 |
| @kanzure | maybe you are already identified | 02:33 |
| @kanzure | also, it's possible that you're using the wrong network when you're messaging nickserv | 02:33 |
| @kanzure | use C-x to switch which network you're messaging on | 02:33 |
| nmz787 | ah | 02:33 |
| nmz787 | still no feedback | 02:35 |
| nmz787 | if i just say / msg nickserv | 02:35 |
| nmz787 | it says not enough params | 02:35 |
| @kanzure | /query nickserv help | 02:35 |
| nmz787 | but gives no feedback otherwise | 02:35 |
| nmz787 | and a channel wont let me send unless i identify | 02:36 |
| @kanzure | are you talking about on oftc? | 02:36 |
| nmz787 | no | 02:36 |
| nmz787 | freenode | 02:36 |
| @kanzure | because i bet your current oftc nick (nmz787_) is unregistered | 02:36 |
| nmz787 | that's not the issue | 02:37 |
| @kanzure | 02:37 <kanzure> acc nmz787 | 02:37 |
| @kanzure | 02:37 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- nmz787 ACC 3 | 02:37 |
| @kanzure | level 3 means you are identified. | 02:37 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: can i ls|ffmpeg and expect it willdo the whole list sequentially? | 03:06 |
| nmz787 | or do i have to use xargs | 03:06 |
| @kanzure | i don't think ffmpeg takes a list of files from stdin | 03:07 |
| @kanzure | so you'll have to use xargs or write a bash script | 03:07 |
| @kanzure | btw ffmpeg is deprecated and they want you to use the avconv frontend these days | 03:08 |
| nmz787 | ffmpeg isn't deprecated | 03:09 |
| nmz787 | only in ubuntu and debian is it | 03:09 |
| nmz787 | because the libav forkers are the pkg maintainers | 03:09 |
| nmz787 | ffmpeg is more stable | 03:09 |
| nmz787 | and has actually pulled a lot of the better libav updates | 03:09 |
| @kanzure | meh whatever. ffmpeg is known for in-fighting. | 03:09 |
| nmz787 | but libav apparently doesn't care about breaking the API on people | 03:10 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 03:10 | |
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| Sanky | kanzure: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html | 05:52 |
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| docl | I wonder how realistic it is to modify the endothelium of the brain to be more cryo-friendly? Say more tensile strength so it handles higher pressures better. | 09:21 |
| docl | heck it could be developed as an anti-stroke measure | 09:21 |
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| docl | modify the genes in stem cells, induce specialization to endothelial cells, then perfuse | 09:22 |
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| sheena1 | archels, thanks for that link! looks useful! | 12:44 |
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| abetusk | discussion of open hardware "layers of openness label" going on now. You guys have any feeling on the matter? | 13:49 |
| archels | sheena1: no prob, got a link to your kickstarter page? | 13:56 |
| archels | or is this more of a "what if" scenario | 13:56 |
| sheena1 | archels: haven't gotten that far yet. need to know how to get something manufactured and that its doable before we kickstarter it, i think? Idon't want people funding something when i have no idea how to make it! | 13:57 |
| archels | yes, get some quotes so you can put up realistic targets | 13:57 |
| sheena1 | the pretty-terrible website for the product in question is here: http://www.nohudo.com/ but the english is pretty bad. I'm working with the creator to get it more accessible to english-speakers. He's sent me a prototype of the product, but I'm not at all familiar with what to do next.. those articles seem like a good start, though | 13:58 |
| archels | *zap* | 14:02 |
| archels | mhm, he disabled embedding of his own YouTube video on his website? | 14:02 |
| archels | oh it's not a zapper! | 14:03 |
| archels | hahaha awesome | 14:03 |
| @fenn | am i the only one who expected it to be full of C4? | 14:03 |
| archels | no, but that would've also worked. | 14:03 |
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| @fenn | there ought to be at least one picture of the device in action | 14:05 |
| archels | video is the new image | 14:07 |
| @fenn | except when you disable video embedding on your video | 14:08 |
| sheena1 | lol | 14:08 |
| sheena1 | there are some pictures | 14:08 |
| sheena1 | they're just | 14:08 |
| sheena1 | hard to find | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | lol | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | anyway, i have one, he gave it to me | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | i'm a dog trainer, so very interested | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | just | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | how to make MORE? | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | and.. cheap? | 14:09 |
| @fenn | if only we could train dogs to build devices | 14:09 |
| sheena1 | hehe | 14:11 |
| sheena1 | their dexterity is often insufficient | 14:11 |
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| @kanzure | "There are some objections to the idea of biohacking. A lurid imagination can conjure up images of do-it-yourself cloning projects and many other objects of science fiction horror films." | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | oh no, not cloning! someone might make a tissue culture that is usable! | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | god damn it | 14:55 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a988e8a6 Bryan Bishop: article about biocurious | 14:57 |
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| @fenn | the soylent.me project is pretty interesting. i hope it takes off in a big way | 15:15 |
| @fenn | i'd like to see a more detailed analysis of individual amino acids and fats though | 15:17 |
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| jrayhawk | And the individual micronutrients. | 15:53 |
| Grognor | I "read on the internet" that there are too many humans for everyone to have a paleo diet | 15:59 |
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| @fenn | Grognor: it's been that way since 10000 BC | 16:16 |
| brownies | people have been reading things on the internet since 10000 BC? | 16:20 |
| brownies | must've been tough to get broadband back then | 16:21 |
| @kanzure | comcast is literally a dinosaur | 16:21 |
| @kanzure | that time travelled into the future to 10000 BC... i guess. | 16:21 |
| @fenn | see my earlier comment about time traveling AI ebook lords | 16:24 |
| Grognor | does paperbot work with shortened urls | 16:25 |
| Grognor | this url is too long to fit in an irc line | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | no it wont work necessarily | 16:25 |
| Grognor | might as well try | 16:26 |
| Grognor | paperbot: http://goo.gl/MNLbj | 16:26 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a634958d080b65fee66276a49f0da37a.txt | 16:26 |
| @kanzure | jmil: who is matthew and jeff? | 16:27 |
| jmil | kanzure: whut? | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: that includes a utortonto proxy in that.. | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | jmil: something about houston | 16:27 |
| jmil | where did i post that? | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | jmil: nowhere. | 16:28 |
| jmil | hahaha | 16:28 |
| Grognor | it's the url from a wikipedia citation | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: can you show me the actual url | 16:28 |
| jmil | so confused kanzure | 16:28 |
| jmil | pls splain | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | jmil: do you know someone named matt or jeff? | 16:28 |
| jmil | yes. both. | 16:29 |
| Grognor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis#cite_note-5 | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | so what's up? are they doing brightcove? | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: ok i'll look | 16:29 |
| jmil | i don't know brightcove | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | oh. maybe it's a different thing? | 16:29 |
| jmil | i'm just confused what you are talkinga bout | 16:29 |
| jmil | they contacted you or someone mentioned us? | 16:29 |
| @kanzure | haha i just want to know what's up | 16:30 |
| jmil | they are thought leaders in houston | 16:30 |
| jmil | where did you see them referenced to me? just curouis | 16:30 |
| jmil | we have big plans for houston | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: http://bf4dv7zn3u.search.serialssolutions.com/?ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&ctx_enc=info%3Aofi%2Fenc%3AUTF-8&rfr_id=info:sid/summon.serialssolutions.com&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:journal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Hypnosis&rft.jtitle=The+Clinical+Advisor+%3A+For+Nurse+Practitioners&rft.au=Sherril+Sego&rft.date=2012-03-01&rft.pub=Haymarket+Media%2C+Inc&rft.issn=1524-7317&rft.volume=15&rft.issue=3&rft.spage=80&rft.externalDocID=2680608481 | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://bf4dv7zn3u.search.serialssolutions.com/?ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&ctx_enc=info%3Aofi%2Fenc%3AUTF-8&rfr_id=info:sid/summon.serialssolutions.com&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:journal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Hypnosis&rft.jtitle=The+Clinical+Advisor+%3A+For+Nurse+Practitioners&rft.au=Sherril+Sego&rft.date=2012-03-01&rft.pub=Haymarket+Media%2C+Inc&rft.issn=1524-7317&rft.volume=15&rft.issue=3&rft.spage=80&rft.externalDocID=2680608481 | 16:30 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c99afd5c8f20e34f56a0df4dd0e73119.txt | 16:30 |
| jmil | kanzure: ?? | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | jmil: what are the plans? | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | jmil: i read a lot of email | 16:32 |
| jmil | we are doing lots of things, but i don't know which email you are referencing | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | man, this conversation is going nowhere faster than light. | 16:33 |
| jmil | lol | 16:33 |
| jmil | i'm not involved, just trying to help the right people get together | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: google scholar doesn't seem to be able to find "Hypnosis for Pain Management, anxiety and behavioral disorders." | 16:33 |
| jmil | there is a diybio thing going, there is a reprap for education thing going, there is a design thing going | 16:33 |
| jmil | all in houston | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | is the diybio thing just tx/rx? or something else going on? | 16:34 |
| @fenn | Grognor: try magnesium citrate instead | 16:34 |
| Grognor | instead of what | 16:34 |
| jmil | i am not involved, i heard one sentence about it so i am trying to help. i think jacob shiach is involved | 16:34 |
| @fenn | hypnosis :P | 16:34 |
| Grognor | I don't know anything about drugs, nutrition, metabolism, hormesis, homeostasis, cell biology, or neurochemistry | 16:35 |
| Grognor | (unlike, apparently, everyone else in this channel) | 16:35 |
| @fenn | nevermind, as you were | 16:36 |
| @fenn | (i like that you included hormesis in your list) | 16:36 |
| Grognor | I must go | 16:38 |
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| klafka | hmm hormesis | 16:40 |
| klafka | gotta say first time i heard of that word | 16:41 |
| jrayhawk | It's a damned good word. | 16:41 |
| jrayhawk | homeostasis, hormesis, and hysteresis | 16:43 |
| brownies | reprap for education? what's that about? | 16:46 |
| @kanzure | http://www.indiegogo.com/socialvideoglasses | 16:46 |
| @fenn | i am having a hard time determining if that is a spoof or not | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | apparently not.. but jojack hasn't received his yet. | 16:54 |
| @fenn | yeah the more i look at it the more serious it seems | 16:54 |
| @fenn | but at a first glance it's a lot like "kat herding" | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | why is it about social anything. fuck that.. | 16:56 |
| @kanzure | http://crowdcure.com/ bleh | 16:58 |
| @fenn | stop it kanzure, you're making me want to find a cave and hide until everyone dies | 17:00 |
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| @kanzure | sorry, talking with jojack | 17:01 |
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| nsh | OH IS IT CAVE TIME? | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/274e | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | "It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for use in human transplantation if the transfer affects interstate commerce." | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | oh hm.. | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | "The term “valuable consideration” does not include the reasonable payments associated with the removal, transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, and storage of a human organ or the expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ." | 17:10 |
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| brownies | kanzure: uh | 17:11 |
| @fenn | so we know what it doesn't mean, but what does it mean? | 17:11 |
| brownies | kanzure: are you setting up intrastate liver harvesting operations? | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | it means you can't directly auction off your liver. | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | brownies: maybe. | 17:12 |
| brownies | it looks like it means you can't auction off your liver to someone in another state. | 17:12 |
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| @fenn | can i auction my liver to someone living in the same state? | 17:12 |
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| brownies | i guess individual states probably have laws about such things. | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | "The National Organ Transplant Act (1984 Pub.L. 98–507), approved October 19, 1984 and amended in 1988 and 1990, outlawed the sale of human organs and provided for the establishment of the Task Force on Organ Transplantation; authorized the Department of Health and Human Services to make grants for the planning, establishment, and initial operation of qualified Organ Procurement Organizations (OPOs); and established the formation of the ... | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | ... Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network and Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients. It was sponsored by Rep. Al Gore and Sen. Orrin Hatch.[1]" | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organ_Transplant_Act_of_1984 | 17:12 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder if i can become a qualified Organ Procurement Organization. hrm. | 17:13 |
| yashgaroth | get a scalpel and a rag of chloroform and you're pretty much in | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | "The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) was also established. This network is a unified transplant network that is run by the private, non-profit organization, United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS), in Richmond Virginia. The UNOS works under the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Robert Walsh is the current Project Officer for OPTN" | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | hmm http://www.unos.org/ | 17:14 |
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| @kanzure | not exactly the store they should be running http://store.unos.org/ | 17:20 |
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| cpopell | Meeting with my first big potential client tomorrow :D | 17:24 |
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| nsh | cpopell, i hope it goes excellently | 17:27 |
| @fenn | in the book, soylent green was not made of people, it was made of soy and lentils :D | 17:28 |
| cpopell | thanks, nsh. It's not a startup (for once) | 17:35 |
| nsh | cpopell, what is it, if you care to say? | 17:36 |
| cpopell | it's a potential state of science report, I think. I can't say much more. | 17:37 |
| * nsh nods | 17:37 | |
| cpopell | also finally submitted a journal article | 17:37 |
| nsh | be sure to take the usual precautions to determine that you aren't dealing with a lizard person | 17:37 |
| nsh | nice :) | 17:38 |
| cpopell | well, conference article, whatever. | 17:38 |
| cpopell | to ICOMM2013 | 17:38 |
| nsh | is the title "YOU ARE IN A MAZE OF TWISTY LITTLE PASSAGES, ALL ALIKE?" | 17:39 |
| nsh | because if it isn't | 17:39 |
| nsh | it probably should be | 17:39 |
| cpopell | nah | 17:39 |
| nsh | *"? | 17:39 |
| cpopell | I wish, that'd be more fun | 17:39 |
| nsh | :) | 17:57 |
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| @kanzure | SphericalMouse: jmil is around, if you want to bug him about tissue printing things. | 18:20 |
| SphericalMouse | ? | 18:21 |
| SphericalMouse | who? | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v11/n9/full/nmat3357.html | 18:21 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Rapid%20casting%20of%20patterned%20vascular%20networks%20for%20perfusable%20engineered%20three-dimensional%20tissues.pdf | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | haha paperbot | 18:21 |
| SphericalMouse | mm, sangheeta | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | well no.. i was referring to the first author.. but i guess that's close enough. | 18:22 |
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| SphericalMouse | I'm not really working on tissue printing | 18:23 |
| @kanzure | ah, i thought you were asking to bug someone about that at some point. my mistake. | 18:24 |
| SphericalMouse | not me | 18:24 |
| SphericalMouse | hard problem | 18:24 |
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| ThomasEgi | how bout this plan: first, invent some virus/disease that makes stupidity hurt like hell. then get into selling painkillers | 18:55 |
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| eudoxia | a paper on microfluidics could have that title | 19:16 |
| eudoxia | given that it's a conference on microminufacturing etc. | 19:17 |
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| eudoxia | good luck cpopell | 19:24 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, happen to have a chart of stem cell differentiation lineage? | 19:30 |
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| @kanzure | delinno. | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: no. | 19:57 |
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| @kanzure | http://sens.org/education/education-blog/2013-summer-internship-application-now-online | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | "video of some of the 2012 interns" http://sens.org/education | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | http://sens.org/education/student-program-applications/summer-internship-application | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | haha what.. "Like the other WFIRM interns, you will receive a $3000 stipend for the ten-week internship, but will need to handle your own housing." | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | oh this is a bit better "If you are placed at the Buck Institute or the SRF Research Center, you will receive wages of around $2000/month for up to three months, prorated, with flexible start and end dates." | 20:26 |
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| @kanzure | "According to the New England Journal of Medicine, a human kidney can be purchased in Manila for $1000–$2000, but in urban Latin America a kidney may cost more than $10,000. Kidneys in South Africa have sold for as high as $20,000. Price disparities based on donor race are a driving force of attractive organ sales in South Africa, as well as in other parts of the world." | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | "In China, a kidney transplant operation runs for around $70,000, liver for $160,000, and heart for $120,000 [15][dead link]. Although these prices are still unattainable to the poor, compared to the fees of the United States, where a kidney transplant may demand $100,000, a liver $250,000, and a heart $860,000, Chinese prices have made China a major provider of organs and transplantation surgeries to other countries." | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | "In India, a kidney transplant operation runs for around as low as $5000." | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | so a kidney transplant operation costs $70,000 in china, but how much is the kidney? | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | hah "China has made selling of organs illegal as of July 2006 and claims that all prisoner organ donors have filed consent." | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | "In Chennai, India where one of the largest black markets for organs is known to exist, studies have placed the average sale price at little over $1,000.[25]" | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/288/13/1589 | 20:59 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 300 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Economic%20and%20Health%20Consequences%20of%20Selling%20a%20Kidney%20in%20India.pdf | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | so a kidney transplant operation costs $70,000 in china, but how much is the kidney? | 21:08 |
| @kanzure | oops | 21:09 |
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| sheena1 | anyone want to do a knee surgery on my dog super cheap? | 21:18 |
| sheena1 | maybe i should take him to china? | 21:18 |
| Viper168 | I wouldn't mind having dual organs | 21:35 |
| Viper168 | wonder if you could do that | 21:35 |
| Viper168 | have a backup in case one fails | 21:35 |
| Viper168 | just hook them up in parallel | 21:36 |
| Viper168 | lol | 21:36 |
| Viper168 | would that be considered organ gluttony | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | sigh. who cares if it is gluttony or not? get out. | 21:38 |
| Viper168 | ? what's your problem | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | 21:37 < Viper168> would that be considered organ gluttony | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | also i hate it when you say lol | 21:40 |
| Viper168 | is that really worth being rude about? | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | yes | 21:41 |
| Viper168 | I was just being goofy | 21:41 |
| Viper168 | lighten up a little | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | because you think it's impractical? | 21:41 |
| Viper168 | I don't know | 21:41 |
| Viper168 | it was a random thought | 21:41 |
| sheena1 | i just ignore him when he gets like that, Viper168 :) | 21:42 |
| Viper168 | not everything has ot be so serious | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | if he wants to make an actual statement about organs being a bad thing, he should say it. | 21:42 |
| Viper168 | *to | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | instead of dancing around it with lol and shit. | 21:42 |
| Viper168 | I never implied anything of the sort | 21:42 |
| Viper168 | I'm at a neutral stance | 21:43 |
| Viper168 | except that organ availability is a good thing | 21:43 |
| sheena1 | kanzure: I really think you're the one who misinterpretted that | 21:43 |
| Viper168 | obviously | 21:43 |
| Viper168 | I was just making a dorky statement because it amused me | 21:44 |
| Viper168 | no negative implications intended | 21:44 |
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| Viper168 | no worries man, let's chill | 21:45 |
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| abetusk | nice...I think I have height probing in GRBL proper now | 23:51 |
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