2013-02-25.log

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archelsIf you are a member of an underrepresented ethnicity in science, please indicate below:00:25
archelsfucking postive discrimination. this pisses me off00:25
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archelspaperbot: http://prl.aps.org/pdf/PRL/v66/i25/p3229_102:07
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bbcaf06ae8c579b591a35716bb40f247.txt02:07
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archels"Effect of micronisation of pre-conditioned cowpeas on cooking time and sensory properties of cooked cowpeas"04:25
archelsscience.04:25
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ThomasEgihttp://xkcd.com/54/04:28
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@fennthat paper on kidney selling practices is pretty grim08:53
@fenni wonder how much a child goes for wholesale08:54
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@fennpadz: please fix your connection09:07
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ielohow many different ways are there of arranging nothing, or an empty set (if they are equiv)? is it 0 or 1?15:32
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@kanzureyashgaroth: hi.16:40
yashgarothyo16:40
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cpopellyashgaroth : See the news about the solid state sequencer?17:17
yashgarothnope17:17
cpopellNabsys claims 1m nucleotides/s for targeted sequences17:18
cpopellhttp://www.technologyreview.com/news/511311/solid-state-sequencer-debuts-at-genome-conference/17:18
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yashgarothsounds interesting, so they detect binding to an oligo and then somehow pinpoint that to a specific part of the sequence being read, then do that a million times17:21
nshyoleaux!17:40
yoleauxnsh!17:40
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nmz787jrayhawk: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/opinion/sunday/what-really-causes-celiac-disease.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=018:03
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nmz787kanzure: so what's your opinion on what country to get transplant work done in?18:05
nmz787kanzure: any stats on thailand?18:05
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nmz787kanzure: I was in a mod hospital there once, they simply had a flip book of the different before/after pics at their front desk with prices18:06
nmz787it seemed very professional and straightforward18:06
@kanzurethe flipbook seemed professional?18:10
@kanzureobv. they used LaTeX18:11
@kanzureno i don't have any specific countries to recommend18:11
@kanzureapparently, not china.18:11
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nmz787the whole place was professional18:11
nmz787seemed india wasn't too bad pricewise18:12
nmz787from just what you wrote18:12
@kanzurei have no idea how those people decided how to price their organs18:12
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nmz787jrayhawk: "In rats, the E. coli again intensified inflammation to gluten, prompting whats sometimes called a leaky gut  the milieu suspected of contributing to celiac disease. Conversely, bifidobacteria protected the intestinal barrier. Microbes, it seemed, could influence the immune response to gluten."18:23
nmz787"Bifidobacteria occur naturally in breast milk, which, along with protective antibodies and immune-signaling proteins, conveys hundreds of prebiotic sugars. These sugars selectively feed certain microbes in the infant gut, particularly bifidobacteria. Breast-fed infants tend to harbor more bifidobacteria than formula-fed ones."18:23
nmz787my mom says I was breastfead til I was 318:24
nmz787"Dr. Ivarsson found that, during the epidemic, the longer children breast-fed after their first exposure to gluten, the more protected they were."18:25
nmz787"Dr. Fasano of Boston has made another potentially important find. He followed 47 at-risk newborns, regularly collecting microbes from 16 of them, which he analyzed after two years. Like Dr. Sanz, he found these genetically at-risk children to accumulate a relatively impoverished, unstable microbial community."18:27
nmz787But its a secondary observation that has Dr. Fasano particularly excited. Two of these children developed autoimmune disease: one celiac disease, another Type 1 diabetes, which shares genetic susceptibility with celiac disease. In both cases, a decline of lactobacilli preceded disease onset.18:28
nmz787"The caveats here are numerous: the tiny sample size in Dr. Fasanos study; Dr. Sanz hasnt yet revealed who actually developed celiac disease in her cohort; and even if these microbial shifts reliably precede disease onset  as they do in larger studies on allergic disease  theyre still bedeviled by the old chicken or the egg question: Which comes first, the aberrant microbial community, or the aberrant immune response?"18:29
nmz787"Not all breast milk is the same. It varies according to diet and other factors. One study found that milk from overweight mothers had fewer of those bifidobacteria than milk from thinner mothers. Another observed that breast milk from farming mothers, who inhabit a microbially enriched environment, carried more anti-inflammatory proteins compared with urban mothers milk. All these things are going to matter, Dr. Jabri says. And theyre all potential 18:29
nmz787"We could probably prevent celiac disease if we just give the same environment to the Finnish children as they have in Karelia, says Dr. Hyoty. But theres no way to do it now, except to move the babies there.18:30
nmz787"18:30
nmz787sooo18:30
nmz787you don't like celiac, go to russia18:30
nmz787seems going to russia is a great excuse anytime you don't like something18:31
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jrayhawkIIRC there's a certain parasite that can trigger anti-gliadin antibodies, too.19:27
jrayhawkGiardia19:28
jrayhawkantitransglutaminase specifically.19:30
jrayhawkhttp://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=giardia+celiac The literature on the subject is kinda interesting.19:31
jrayhawkThey're cystic intestinal parasites; it would kinda make sense for the immune system to learn to attack the enterocytes as a result.19:33
@kanzurewhen are we going to capitalize on eric hunting's piles of text?19:33
@kanzurei suppose he might not appreciate that, hrm19:33
@kanzurehttps://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/2b6794b51f9a8209 (cigarette vending machines)19:33
jrayhawkBut yeah, increasing susceptibility to gut pathologies pissing off the adaptive immune system would certainly explain the enormous increases in celiac prevalance.19:35
nmz787ahh so you'r ont saying celiacs patients should go get giardia to cure their celiacs20:06
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@kanzure"I know some local biotech companies have snack machine turned freezer machine with DNA ladders, plasmids, buffer, etc etc"20:17
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nshwhich is to say "i made this thing up but it sounded plausible enough that i thought i'd pretend it was real"20:21
nmz787kanzure: NEB has lots of freezer programs, which /wants/ to be as cool as that sounds20:23
nmz787but unfortunately they only allow purchasing within the institution where the freezer is located20:24
@kanzurei know, it's disappointing.20:24
nmz787so U of R had an NEB freezer, but as an RIT researcher I couldn't buy supplies from the local freezer and avoid shipping costs, I had to mailorder from Massachusetts20:24
klafkawhat is NEB20:25
yashgarothnew england biolabs, they sell enzymes20:25
@kanzureevil organization bent on planetary conquest20:25
yashgarothare you sure you were formerly a biologist klafka20:25
klafkaaah20:25
klafkanope20:26
@kanzurehe was a bioinformaticist, it's the lesser type of biologist20:26
klafkai was formerly a computational biologist20:26
@kanzure:P20:26
klafkaor bioinformaticist20:26
yashgarothheh20:26
@kanzure"lesser"20:26
klafkalol20:26
klafkai would never want to be a real biologist20:26
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yashgaroththey're the default source for restriction enzymes, and restriction enzyme accessories20:27
@kanzureand gibson assembly mix20:27
@kanzuremaybe paperbot should get a friend, reagentbot20:28
klafkaaah20:29
nshyou're being americocentric20:33
nshjus' sayin.20:33
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yashgarothwho is and what about20:35
nshkanzure, about reagent sources.20:36
nmz787kanzure: i'd have some code for reagentbot20:36
nmz787for scraping prices from promega (if they haven't changed too much)20:36
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@kanzurebecause of the planetary conquest comment?20:38
nmz787klafka: think you'll need a bioinformatician with a B.S. only in the next 6 mos?20:44
klafkano20:44
klafkai don't work in biology at all anymore20:44
nmz787klafka: i know a guy who might be looking for something around the bay20:44
nmz787klafka: i thought you work at a bioinformatics company20:44
klafkanah i work for a mobile gaming startup20:44
nmz787oh20:45
nmz787geeze20:45
klafkamoney is way better and the data is way cleaner20:45
@kanzureit's ParahSailin that works at a bioinformatics company20:45
nmz787i should have directed that to someother digital handle then20:45
nmz787:P20:45
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@kanzure"Jython 2.7beta 1 Has Been Released (February 10, 2013)"21:11
@kanzureso uh.. jython seems a little behind?21:11
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jrayhawkpaperbot: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/5/1238.full22:48
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nmz787is there a 3D scanning channels?22:49
@kanzureirc channel?22:49
@kanzurethere's #makerscan but i bet #reprap would be more helpful22:50
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