2013-03-15.log

--- Log opened Fri Mar 15 00:00:28 2013
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lichenhehe00:29
licheni'm sure it'll be fine00:30
lichenwait what00:30
lichenwrong window00:30
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kanzurepaperbot: http://www.nature.com/msb/journal/v7/n1/full/msb201155.html00:39
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Engineering%20microbes%20to%20sense%20and%20eradicate%20Pseudomonas%20aeruginosa%2C%20a%20human%20pathogen.pdf00:40
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kanzure"advanced namespace tools for plan9" http://ants.9gridchan.org/08:50
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kanzure"The Human Brain Project is expected to start on October 1, and our Lab will lead research on principles of brain computation in this project. We can employ Phd students already now for closely related work in the BrainScales project. (this project provides intermediate financing until the beginning of the Human Brain Project)."08:58
kanzurehttps://brainscales.kip.uni-heidelberg.de/index.html08:58
kanzureWolfgang Maass <maass@igi.tugraz.at>08:59
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kanzurejarickc: welcome.09:42
jarickcso, I am an electrical engineer looking for a new hobby in biohacking.09:44
jarickcunfortunately, I haven't found a "start here" page anywhere.09:44
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kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq09:44
kanzureand http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books/09:44
jarickclook how awesome you are.09:45
jarickchplus = human 2.0?09:45
kanzureit refers to transhumanism, a general concept of using technology to make bodies suck less09:46
kanzureor using technology to build further-enabling technologies09:46
jarickci know about transhumanism. A precondition to my marriage was she couldn't stop me from augmentation, when it is possible.09:47
jarickcthe specific example was brain interfaceing09:47
kanzurewhat is your background in electronics?09:48
jarickci do digital hardware design09:48
kanzureverilog?09:48
jarickcVHDL09:48
kanzurei am so sorry09:48
jarickcit is what I was taught in school and what my employer uses.09:48
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kanzurei am not a big fan. it never felt like a sanely-designed language.09:49
jarickci haven't looked at verilog so i don't know the differences.09:50
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kanzurejarickc: welcome back10:22
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kanzurehttp://www.oshwa.org/oshw-community-survey-2012/11:10
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/oshwa/oshwa-survey.zip11:10
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/oshwa/survey/11:10
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eudoxiamy boss took a picture of himself with guido van rossum at the pycon, i finally have a lower guido number than kanz (you know, maybe)11:34
ParahSailini can understand erdős number or knuth number, but cmon "guido number"?11:35
eudoxiasure why not?11:35
kanzureeudoxia: pfft bet you can't beat my carmack number11:43
kanzurein fact, i bet you can't get carmack to tell you off better11:43
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kanzuretruly my goal in life is to get elon to send me hate mail?11:43
eudoxiahahaha11:43
eudoxiai have a mike darwin number of two, i can die (lol) happy11:45
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kanzure"When I visited DIYbio.org, I tried to get in their email list, i.e. group/diybio.. But due to the GFW, I can not see the page. Thus I was so sad."13:30
kanzurediybio.org looks okay: http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=diybio.org13:31
ParahSailingoogle is blocked by gfw13:31
kanzureah, http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=groups.google.com13:31
kanzuregot it13:31
ParahSailinwell, throttled to be precise13:31
ParahSailinits not blocked outright, but it takes 10 minutes to load13:31
ParahSailinhalf the time13:32
ParahSailinsadface when i have to go back to python to do something13:33
kanzurethis is because someone was complaining about access here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=535124113:34
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kanzurel-chaw: hello13:38
l-chawhi13:38
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kanzurel-chaw: what brings you here?13:41
nmz787are there other companies like transcriptic?13:42
nmz787like the outsource a workflow idea?13:42
kanzuredo science exchange and assay depot count?13:42
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nmz787kanzure: can you subscribe to a google groups purely via email ?13:44
kanzureyes you can email diybio+subscribe@googlegroups.com13:44
nmz787that's how I initiate and respond to most conversations there13:44
kanzurethey took down these instructions when they upgraded their google groups ui last year13:45
nmz787kanzure: but does that work if you aren't logged into a google server?13:45
kanzureyou can send it from any email address13:45
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nmz787kanzure: that only returns you an email with this link http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/subscribe?hl=en13:47
kanzurewow, they changed it. that's pretty terrible.13:47
nmz787you could just start telling chinese ppl to come in here13:48
kanzurei could, but i already get harassed a lot for telling people to show up in here13:49
nmz787through diybio?13:49
nmz787or HN?13:49
kanzureoh, much more from diybio or diybio-related people13:50
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nmz787other than them complaining it was too low bandwidth?13:50
nmz787regarding the conference thing?13:50
kanzurenah, issues like the channel name, claims of stifling competition (???), etc.13:51
kanzurei definitely think this place is worth telling others about13:52
kanzureit would be nice if others showed up for reasons other than me pestering them13:53
nmz787hmm13:53
nmz787selecting DNA from a microarray via laser pulsing http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/subscribe?hl=en14:00
kanzurewrong link.14:01
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kanzurenmz787: yeah, the google groups infrastructure has been really rotting. i'm not sure what to do about it.14:21
kanzurethe url changes were nasty and spelled the beginning of the end.14:21
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nmz787here is the right one http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7yscphwaWNs#t=707s14:30
nmz787had to switch back to flash from html514:30
nmz787right click links weren't working14:30
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kanzurehttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1088864/how-is-vims-undo-tree-used14:55
kanzureoops, ignore14:55
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ParahSailinkanzure: you realize that larry page is gonna cut google groups because its not a revenue center15:09
kanzurei doubt it, because of usenet.15:14
klafkaParahSailin: it's not 'not a revenue center' it's 'can be folded into G+'15:17
kanzure"Groups isn't even on the extended products list in the Gmail header bar, though Reader is! You have to click "Even more" to get to Groups."15:41
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klafka\LOL15:51
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superkuhI certainly hope google groups is shut down.16:07
klafkawhy?16:09
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superkuhThe groups who use it would be forced to move to more open platforms. At least something that doesn't require a browser with javascript and a google account.16:10
kanzurei don't know anyone who uses their web ui. i thought the point was to use it over email?16:12
klafka i use riseup atm16:12
klafkait's _ok_16:12
superkuhThere are some things on google groups which it is impossible to get over email.16:13
kanzuretheir usenet things?16:13
superkuhThings like, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/victor-herrero-radio-astronomy16:14
kanzureisn't that just victor-herrero-radio-astronomy-subscribe@googlegroups.com16:14
kanzureguess not.. as nmz787 pointed out, the subscribe infrastructure might be broken.16:15
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kanzure"list+subscribe@googlegroups.com still works. I used it last week."17:20
kanzurenmz787: did you try list+subscribe for a group you were already subscribed to?17:20
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kanzureyashgaroth: hi.17:54
yashgarothyo17:54
kanzuresup?17:58
yashgarothehh not much18:00
yashgarothmissed the last biolab meeting, will have to see what happened18:00
kanzurei like how nobody publishes notes18:05
kanzurenot even biocurious or genspace18:05
yashgarothI'd ask jojack about the gist but he always seems so busy18:06
kanzureyes but the question is.. with what?18:06
kanzurei mean, really. wtf?18:06
yashgarothwell someone's gotta figure out how the space will actually make any money18:07
kanzuremaybe he is busy writing new punch lines about the singularitards18:07
kanzureit takes a lot of effort18:07
yashgarotha noble pursuit18:07
kanzurethe problem with funding a space with companies is that the companies will easy flood your scheduled time on equipment18:08
kanzureand you don't want the companies that wont do that, because they aren't the ones making any money to pay you.18:09
kanzure"we got an order for 1200 pounds of antibodies, so we're gonna go ahead and reserve the hplc for the next.. oh.. month."18:09
kanzure(in my fictional hackerspace in my head, antibodies are quantified by the pound)18:10
yashgarothwell there's giving lab space to colleges who don't have enough room to run lab classes, renting bench space to random people, teaching plebs how to make bacteria glow, and of course "biofuel stuff"18:10
yashgarothI mean, sure, a small antibody company isn't using their equipment 90% of the time, but they'll all want it during business hours, and when a contract's on the line...18:11
yashgarothnot to mention how many companies we can actually fit, and how worried they'll be about random people rummaging through their shared freezers18:11
kanzureyes have you ever noticed how people clam up when you say "shared freezer"18:12
kanzureit's like they have a flashback to grad school when things went missing from their freezer just once ever18:12
yashgarothor some jackass breaks it over the weekend and they just lose everything - I mean, it happens all the time, but when you can blame someone else it's a lot easier18:13
yashgarothI'd like to find out how successful something like the Icogenex incubator is, since they rent benches, but I don't even know if they exist anymore18:14
yashgarothif you figure we're paying bare minimum 50-60k a year for a competent lab manager, not to mention utilities and eventually rent...shit adds up quick18:15
kanzurewell, if the incubator is successful and has at least one company that nets at least $20M (or something?) on an exit, then you could just use those funds to pay for a sustaining hackerspace. but making a deal like that with a company that will exit for that high isn't that easy if you're offering junk.18:17
kanzurebut the average time to exit in biotech is.. what.. >5 years?18:17
yashgarothyeah the startup angle would be good for that, but you figure those people will be super-paranoid about IP and such18:18
yashgarothand with the ~10% success rate on startups, it's a big risk18:18
yashgarothexit in biotech depends a lot on the product type18:19
kanzurei haven't been watching biotech exits closely18:20
yashgarothcould be a couple years to work out someone's grad school project's bugs, could be 10 years for a drug18:20
kanzureit seems all over the map18:20
kanzurepharma companies seem to be okay with dropping unlimited piles of cash for random things18:20
kanzurebut at the same time different medical device companies end up in the 50-100M range18:20
yashgarothpharma is huge money and huge risk, even moreso than oil or whatever18:21
yashgaroththe current focus is apparently just "rare diseases!", but I've no idea how to extract operating funds out of that18:22
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.20:14
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@fenngood time of day, sir20:37
kanzureimpeccable timing20:37
yashgarothquite20:38
kanzureindeed20:38
yashgaroth...rather20:38
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gnushahttps://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ef425032 Bryan Bishop: hackerspace in myrtle beach22:43
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