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| kanzure | nmz787: also there's klafka | 00:01 |
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| kanzure | https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/mining-your-ps-and-qs-detection-widespread-weak-keys-embedded-devices | 00:04 |
| kanzure | "We find that 0.75% of TLS certificates share keys due to insufficient entropy during key generation, and we suspect that another 1.70% come from the same faulty implementations and may be susceptible to compromise. Even more alarmingly, we are able to obtain RSA private keys for 0.50% of TLS hosts and 0.03% of SSH hosts, because their public keys shared nontrivial common factors due to entropy problems, and DSA private keys for 1.03% of ... | 00:05 |
| kanzure | ... SSH hosts, because of insufficient signature randomness." | 00:05 |
| kanzure | http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/064 | 00:05 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ron%20was%20wrong%2C%20Whit%20is%20right.pdf | 00:05 |
| kanzure | hooray for paperbot | 00:05 |
| nmz787 | I'm not sure how much time I have for meetings | 00:05 |
| kanzure | what did max say? | 00:06 |
| nmz787 | need to get some more code written tomorrow | 00:06 |
| nmz787 | mmm | 00:06 |
| nmz787 | the stacking problem is... the equipment isn't stackable :P | 00:06 |
| nmz787 | they're using scala because it | 00:07 |
| nmz787 | 's really type-safe | 00:07 |
| nmz787 | he said | 00:07 |
| kanzure | anything else | 00:07 |
| nmz787 | so you couldn't multiply a time by an arbitrary int or some other math type | 00:07 |
| nmz787 | he got a lot of funding from friends and fam in the beginning before big investors or whoever came along | 00:08 |
| nmz787 | or at least /some/ | 00:08 |
| nmz787 | he didnt say 'a lot' | 00:08 |
| nmz787 | they basically have 1 or 2 of most biotech equipment | 00:09 |
| nmz787 | their space is pretty full | 00:09 |
| nmz787 | in a cool good way | 00:09 |
| nmz787 | but yeah the machines are pretty huge so stacking would need more than T-slot aluminum can support | 00:10 |
| nmz787 | 80/20 | 00:10 |
| nmz787 | went up to cambrian afterwards | 00:10 |
| kanzure | where are they? | 00:11 |
| nmz787 | SOMA | 00:11 |
| kanzure | not langton? | 00:11 |
| kanzure | you've switched channels on me | 00:12 |
| nmz787 | nah | 00:14 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: meetup with delinquentme or juul? | 00:19 |
| kanzure | hmm. http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/21/united-states-v-auernheimer-and-why-i-am-representing-auernheimer-pro-bono-on-appeal-before-the-third-circuit/ | 00:20 |
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| nmz787 | ya | 00:22 |
| nmz787 | met delinquentme, twice! the latter unexpectedly | 00:22 |
| nmz787 | it was pretty funny | 00:22 |
| kanzure | juul needs to hurry up and finish his library genesis server | 00:22 |
| kanzure | nmz787: ran into him on bart? | 00:22 |
| nmz787 | we parted ways, then my buddy and I walked around downtown, then went to get oaxacan food across town, and after we ordered I realiiezd he was there already eating | 00:23 |
| nmz787 | nah he texted me and we grabbed a beer | 00:23 |
| rigel | i feel old | 00:26 |
| kanzure | aren't you like 27? you're ancient | 00:26 |
| rigel | i am listening to gabber tracks that are 15 years old | 00:26 |
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| rigel | add ten years, whippersnapper | 00:27 |
| rigel | btw, get off my lawn | 00:27 |
| rigel | wow, i think i am getting nystagmus just listening to these tracks | 00:27 |
| rigel | its like a pavlovian thing or something | 00:28 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: are you old enough to drink alcohol yet? | 00:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:51 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spinning_Dancer.gif | 00:56 |
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| Thorbinator1 | yay I got miner.php working | 00:59 |
| Thorbinator1 | this is so cool con | 00:59 |
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| kanzure | why do you want a miner in php? that doesn't make sense. | 01:01 |
| Thorbinator1 | its a web reporting api | 01:01 |
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| kanzure | i am strongly opposed to php for a number of reasons. if you are unfamiliar with the warts of php, then i would be happy to elaborate and attempt to convince you to never use it again. | 01:02 |
| Thorbinator1 | I'm fine, thanks. | 01:02 |
| Thorbinator1 | also this is the wrong channel, whoops | 01:02 |
| kanzure | yes. | 01:03 |
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| archels | do we know anyone in Stockholm? | 01:09 |
| * archels will have one free pre-conference day to spend there | 01:10 | |
| rigel | so i take two weeks away from my coding adventure to deal with Life Stuff | 01:11 |
| rigel | and i can't get started again | 01:11 |
| rigel | i was trying to build a basic screen scraping class with selenium | 01:12 |
| rigel | feh | 01:12 |
| rigel | also, php is just Ugly | 01:12 |
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| kanzure | archels: splicer (in #diybio) lives in that area. runs biopunk.org. | 01:24 |
| kanzure | rigel: selenium is really difficult to work with, i don't recommend it. | 01:25 |
| kanzure | rigel: do you need javascript execution? if not, there are many simpler things. | 01:25 |
| kanzure | rigel: if you do need javascript execution, then i think phantomjs+casperjs is probably the easiest option for you: http://casperjs.org/ | 01:26 |
| rigel | i do need js execution | 01:27 |
| rigel | and selenium seemed like the most coherent framework | 01:27 |
| rigel | it does what i need | 01:27 |
| kanzure | recently there was a webdriver written for selenium to work with phantomjs, but i haven't used it yet. | 01:27 |
| rigel | thats why i was trying to class it out | 01:27 |
| kanzure | class? | 01:27 |
| rigel | yeah | 01:27 |
| kanzure | can you show me what you're scraping? i'm sorta paid big piles of cash to do scraping things. | 01:28 |
| rigel | not without giving you a login, i don't think | 01:28 |
| rigel | one sec | 01:28 |
| rigel | Quest Archive Manager | 01:29 |
| rigel | that's the thing that prompted my interest | 01:29 |
| rigel | btw, how can i get paid big piles of cash to do scraping things | 01:29 |
| kanzure | know people who run companies | 01:30 |
| kanzure | don't accept small gigs | 01:30 |
| rigel | but i know you! | 01:30 |
| rigel | isnt that enough?! | 01:30 |
| kanzure | i recommend sticking with people who have >$100k/mo in revenue. | 01:30 |
| kanzure | what are you grabbing from this quest thing? | 01:31 |
| rigel | my fucking email archive | 01:31 |
| rigel | that it is fucking impossible to search through otherwise | 01:31 |
| rigel | emails older than 2mo get atchived | 01:31 |
| kanzure | how does their js work? have you examined the outgoing requests? | 01:31 |
| rigel | no, and i dont really want to learn js | 01:32 |
| kanzure | you don't have to look at javascript to figure this out | 01:32 |
| kanzure | http://mitmproxy.org/ | 01:32 |
| kanzure | hook up your browser to that, use the system for a bit, then examine the http urls that are pinged by the browser. | 01:32 |
| kanzure | they might be using some predictable api endpoint that you can spoof on your own | 01:32 |
| kanzure | i mean, that you can spoof requests to | 01:33 |
| rigel | they use what looks like uuid's to me | 01:33 |
| kanzure | without having to run javascript | 01:33 |
| rigel | that are consistent | 01:33 |
| rigel | but i still need to get the list of them | 01:33 |
| kanzure | and presumably they get the uuids from the server | 01:33 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://threatenedtaxa.org/ZooPrintJournal/2013/March/o309913iii133789-3920.pdf | 01:35 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/141e86946374cd8003d363f4f376b08c.pdf | 01:37 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:43 |
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| archels | kanzure: what is a good site to share papers? | 10:02 |
| archels | http://turingbirds.com/temp/Dielectric%20properties%20of%20tissues%20and%20biological%20materials%20-%20a%20critical%20review_Foster,%20Schwan_Crit.%20Rev.%20Biomedical%20Eng.%20Vol%2017,%20Issue%201%20(1989).pdf | 10:03 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: PM | 11:29 |
| kanzure | ok replied | 11:29 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i am still unconvinced of sympa. | 11:43 |
| jrayhawk | Well, it can sit there until someone gives a shit. | 11:47 |
| jrayhawk | In theory, there are a set of users who want something web-accessible. When somebody complains about a lack of web-accessible thing, they can be provided admin powers on that vhost. | 11:50 |
| jrayhawk | So that they might solve problems for that set of users in a way that is fairly inoffensive to those outside that set. | 11:51 |
| jrayhawk | I don't even remember who was complaining in the first place, but I do remember they quieted down after they were offered the power to run the thing. | 11:52 |
| jrayhawk | So we win either way! | 11:52 |
| kanzure | i agree that web accessibility is worth while | 11:53 |
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| kanzure | *worthwhile | 11:58 |
| kanzure | i have been considering importing my diybio mailing list archives into sympa | 11:59 |
| kanzure | because google groups keeps deteriorating in quality | 11:59 |
| kanzure | and it would be nice to transition to a thing that has backups of old emails if a transition ever has to happen | 11:59 |
| brownies | how about that hot new thing... Discourse? | 11:59 |
| jrayhawk | Huh, good idea. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | brownies: my requirements are it must be email | 12:00 |
| kanzure | everyone and their mom has a web interface, but for some reason nobody cares about email. yet the majority of user activity seems to happen by email anyway. | 12:00 |
| brownies | yeah, i tend to route github and other such conversation forums into my email too | 12:00 |
| kanzure | disqus is not an acceptable solution | 12:00 |
| brownies | kanzure: disqus != discourse | 12:00 |
| brownies | i think Discourse has some email features. i haven't really fiddled with it enough. | 12:01 |
| kanzure | this looks like non-email though http://www.discourse.org/ | 12:01 |
| kanzure | all of their screenshots seem to indicate this is a proprietary platform | 12:01 |
| kanzure | i think mailman/sympa is already a better option just by nature of not being a proprietary pile of shit | 12:01 |
| kanzure | even though mailman is terribly written | 12:01 |
| kanzure | "The state of forums has been unchanged for so long that forums are considered unworkable and undesirable; few sites want forums any more because the software is so poor." | 12:02 |
| brownies | kanzure: http://i.imgur.com/CHBb44K.png | 12:02 |
| kanzure | or it's because i don't want to maintain accounts on >500 forums -_- | 12:02 |
| kanzure | "receive an email" that's not a mailing list | 12:02 |
| brownies | yes, sure | 12:02 |
| brownies | i'm just showing you their email features, for the sake of discussion | 12:02 |
| kanzure | holy hell mailman uses launchpad :( | 12:04 |
| kanzure | https://code.launchpad.net/mailman | 12:04 |
| kanzure | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/files/head:/src/mailman/ | 12:04 |
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| jrayhawk | sympa is also terrible simply by virtue of being perl | 12:23 |
| jrayhawk | but at least it supports vhosts and web posting | 12:24 |
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| kanzure | bkero: blandy says https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=728373&action=diff | 13:29 |
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| bkero | kanzure: think that could be a start? | 13:38 |
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| kanzure | still reading, dunno. | 13:41 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.overcomingbias.com/2013/03/rah-second-opinions.html | 13:55 |
| ParahSailin | "Many in the rationalist community think you should trust MetaMed more because they are inside the [LessWrong] community, and therefore should be presumed to be more rational." | 13:56 |
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| jrayhawk | That sounds completely reasonable. | 13:59 |
| jrayhawk | Doctors operate under consensus- and authority-based epistemologies | 13:59 |
| jrayhawk | LessWrong community can at least be relied upon to know what the implications of that are. | 14:00 |
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| ParahSailin | more rational than the expected mainstream medicine or more rational that the expected medical outsider though | 14:05 |
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| jrayhawk | The big differentiator will be network effects from accumulating data from researchers and patients (symptomologies, diagnostics, treatments, and outcomes), which is means essentially inherently any newcomer is "undeserving", but those who advocate beyond what they deserve are natural schelling points. | 14:23 |
| jrayhawk | Lesswrong seems like at least a sounder footing for schelling point establishment than any other I can think of. | 14:26 |
| jrayhawk | ParahSailin: have you been keeping up with the Robb Wolf Specialty Health stuff? it's also pretty neat | 14:27 |
| jrayhawk | http://robbwolf.com/2013/03/20/paleo-diet-risk-assessment-update-2/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns2oS1WXDvc | 14:28 |
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| jrayhawk | Another medical epistemology consultancy upstart. | 14:29 |
| ParahSailin | interesting, i used to follow robb wolf | 14:30 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I guess I haven't been following much, but what I did notice is that there is a lot of research about doctors sucking when it comes to making decisions lately | 14:33 |
| jrayhawk | That's heartening. | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0199212791/ http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm It's about damned time the field of medicine gets its come-uppance. | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | ugh, ourcivilisation.com is down | 14:38 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I'm a physics student, but I do keep an eye at psychology for anything that helps with learning, teaching and doing physics | 14:46 |
| Urchin[emacs] | among other things | 14:46 |
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| nmz787_ | Loads | 15:18 |
| nmz787_ | Klafka you around? | 15:18 |
| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033589410000803 | 15:20 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Bovid%20mortality%20profiles%20in%20paleoecological%20context%20falsify%20hypotheses%20of%20endurance%20runninghunting%20and%20passive%20scavenging%20by%20early%20Pleistocene%20hominins.pdf | 15:20 |
| klafka_ | hey | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | nmz787_: yeah | 15:26 |
| Urchin[emacs] | what do you think of lojban? | 15:27 |
| nmz787_ | Klafka Are you interested in meeting up this evening? | 15:27 |
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| nmz787_ | Looks like there is an AP called rail_wifi after the embatcadero bart | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | New mobile office! | 15:46 |
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| nmz787_ | Klafka you around to meet up? | 17:19 |
| nmz787_ | Otherwise I think I'm gonna head back to livermore | 17:19 |
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| yashgaroth | second week on the job, and my lab replaces two UV-vis spectrophotometers | 18:37 |
| yashgaroth | they are both currently sitting in my back seat | 18:37 |
| kanzure | if the police pull you over to ask about them, just say "official science business" | 18:38 |
| yashgaroth | I'm with the science board | 18:38 |
| kanzure | you got it | 18:38 |
| yashgaroth | if they give me any shit, there's still a glass jar with a kilo of sodium hydroxide in my glovebox | 18:39 |
| yashgaroth | you know, just in case I need it | 18:39 |
| superkuh | I have a UV-vis spectrophotometer but no deuterium bulb for it. | 18:40 |
| yashgaroth | yeah they're hella expensive, luckily both of mine are still working for now | 18:41 |
| superkuh | Still useful as a monochromator though. | 18:41 |
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| kanzure | it's amusing to see correspondence i wrote years ago | 19:34 |
| kanzure | apparently i sent in hatemail about http://web.archive.org/web/20041204053414/http://sqlite.org/quickstart.html | 19:34 |
| kanzure | back in 2004. | 19:35 |
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| nmz787 | superkuh: deuterium bulbs and power supplies are pretty cheap on alibaba | 19:53 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: so you changed jobs? | 19:54 |
| yashgaroth | yeah | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | damn dude, tell your companies to start hiring in portland | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | (if they're good companies) | 19:54 |
| yashgaroth | none of them are | 19:54 |
| yashgaroth | actually I was just at work today and we were remarking on how there's no biotech in portland | 19:55 |
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| nmz787 | yashgaroth: you should remark how there should be biotech in pdx from now on | 20:09 |
| yashgaroth | I shall take it to the highest levels of the science board | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | http://esa-matti.suuronen.org/blog/2013/03/22/journey-from-requirejs-to-browserify/ | 21:17 |
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| kanzure | http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/starcraft-orcs-in-space-go-down-in-flames | 21:29 |
| kanzure | "One of my favorite dev reads from last year was "Starcraft: Orcs in Space go does down in flames" (http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/starcraft-orcs-in-space-go-d...), in which the Starcraft dev talks about how a completely faked game, Dominion Storm, forced Blizzard to reboot Starcraft (for the better)...the game was faked at E3, where companies spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to secure floor space and throw big BS publicity ... | 21:29 |
| kanzure | ... stunts, because that was the only way to get press attention." | 21:30 |
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