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| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11868.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130307 | 00:21 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Sodium%20chloride%20drives%20autoimmune%20disease%20by%20the%20induction%20of%20pathogenic%20TH17%20cells.pdf | 00:21 |
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| jrayhawk | We | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | induced hypertonicity by increasing NaCl concentration by 10–40 mM | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | (high-salt) in the culture medium and thus mimicked concentrations | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | that could be found in the interstitium of animals fed a high-salt diet7. | 00:25 |
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| kanzure | http://youtube.com/watch?v=a014uOduLoo | 03:11 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v494/n7438/full/494404a.html | 06:04 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Nanomaterials%3A%20Solid%20carbon%2C%20springy%20and%20light.pdf | 06:05 |
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| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00210-002-0577-3 | 06:05 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adma.201204576/pdf | 06:06 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3a12c61781a059c3f1e2e82de62e4a33.txt | 06:06 |
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| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00210-003-0812-6 | 06:19 |
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| abetusk | what is an 'EIA reader'? | 13:39 |
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| kanzure | context? | 13:55 |
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| abetusk | was a machine at the reuse center for $50. Looks like it's from the 80's. From a company called Bio-Tek. Had the letters 'EL 307' | 14:27 |
| abetusk | googling gives me this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELISA | 14:27 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=07356b12 Bryan Bishop: mac cowell interview | 14:39 |
| kanzure | "los angeles biohackathon 2013" what ? when was that. | 14:40 |
| kanzure | "The California Endowment, the California Biotechnology Foundation, Lybba, and Wondros presented Biohackathon L.A. 2013, an immersive workshop to inspire students about the health and career benefits of STEM education and the life sciences." | 14:41 |
| kanzure | oh.. nevermind. | 14:41 |
| kanzure | http://www.lybba.org/blog/cityhall-design-biohackathon-hexabox-bio-design/ | 14:41 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is there a youtube or google API IRC channe;? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | there's #google but it's sorta hit-and-miss | 14:42 |
| kanzure | also there's a strong chance that someone in #startups regularly uses youtube with oauth2 authentication, so you can try there too. | 14:49 |
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| yashgaroth | abetusk: probably a 96-well plate reader for ELISAs, really just a camera that sees how yellow each well turns | 15:08 |
| abetusk | yep, I figured | 15:09 |
| abetusk | thanks | 15:09 |
| yashgaroth | wow those EL 307s must have been like the first plate readers ever, that's some 70's tech right there | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/4/8/8/2/webimg/600384069_tp.jpg | 15:12 |
| yashgaroth | 1981, I was close | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/4/8/8/2/webimg/600384188_tp.jpg | 15:12 |
| kanzure | foot switch? | 15:12 |
| bkero | Vim clutch? | 15:13 |
| kanzure | lab clutch | 15:13 |
| kanzure | someone should do a teardown on these sorts of old lab devices | 15:14 |
| kanzure | think of the hilarious software bugs you could be missing out on | 15:14 |
| yashgaroth | it belongs in a museum! or something | 15:15 |
| kanzure | i think there's already a lab equipment museum somewhere | 15:15 |
| yashgaroth | every university's dumpster | 15:15 |
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| cpopell | kanzure, got any more info about H+ closing down? | 15:36 |
| kanzure | nope. | 15:36 |
| brownies | H+ closed down? | 15:40 |
| kanzure | it's possibly closing down | 15:41 |
| kanzure | someone mentioned to me that at least a majority of the board is considering closing it down, or wants to, or is in the process of | 15:41 |
| brownies | i see. any reason? | 15:41 |
| kanzure | because the org sucks and is ineffective and they all hate each other? | 15:41 |
| brownies | i guess that is a reason | 15:42 |
| brownies | it never was clear to me what they did. i see they have a magazine. | 15:42 |
| kanzure | they put on conferences, debate ethics amongst themselves, try to promote their own books to themselves, bought a magazine (even though print publication has been dying for decades.. what the fuck guys) | 15:42 |
| brownies | heh | 15:43 |
| kanzure | when they bought the magazine it was blowing something like 10-15k/mo | 15:44 |
| kanzure | (this was after they cancelled the print edition) | 15:44 |
| brownies | crazy | 15:45 |
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| jmil | kanzure: around? | 16:44 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:46 |
| kanzure | http://archhaskell.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/clash-haskell-to-vhdl-compiler-in-aur/ | 16:54 |
| kanzure | haskell -> vhdl thing | 16:54 |
| kanzure | http://archhaskell.wordpress.com/package/clash | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know who 6027411223 is | 18:27 |
| ParahSail1n | alcor is in phoenix | 18:34 |
| kanzure | it is someone who knows about alcor | 18:34 |
| ParahSail1n | that makes sense, did alcor fire anyone recently? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | this did not seem like someone who has worked at alcor | 18:35 |
| yashgaroth | probably ted williams' frozen head, calling from inside its dewar | 18:35 |
| kanzure | it was someone calling because she saw my name on facebook | 18:35 |
| kanzure | so she decided to ask me programming questions | 18:35 |
| kanzure | "how would i make a replacement to facebook?" | 18:36 |
| yashgaroth | haha seriously | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i think she was trying to sound smart, but that's probably the biggest give-away that you're totally clueless about business. | 18:36 |
| ParahSail1n | a recruiter? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | a recruiter wouldn't voluntarily bring up alcor or transhumanism | 18:37 |
| ParahSail1n | and would probably tell you who she was, yeah | 18:37 |
| kanzure | plus, the number resolves to phoenix, and i really doubt a recruiter would volunteer to live in phoenix under any circumstance | 18:38 |
| brownies | i've always thought you were quite brave for posting your cell phone number online | 18:38 |
| brownies | well, brave, or stupid. | 18:38 |
| kanzure | nobody calls me | 18:38 |
| kanzure | this is the first un-prevoked phone call i've had in a few years | 18:38 |
| kanzure | ... well, other than recruiters. but they are sneaky anyway. | 18:39 |
| brownies | heh | 18:39 |
| kanzure | i mean, "the first time someone i don't know has called me, who isn't a recruiter and not otherwise expected to have my phone number" | 18:39 |
| kanzure | i think lucas called me up a few years ago after watching one of my presentations | 18:40 |
| yashgaroth | dimoveo? | 18:40 |
| kanzure | that's the one | 18:40 |
| kanzure | brownies: i think the truth is just that people don't want to call anyone these days. | 18:41 |
| brownies | then why are people always calling me =( | 18:42 |
| kanzure | because you don't publish your phone number | 18:42 |
| brownies | people always want to "do a call" | 18:42 |
| kanzure | hmmmm. | 18:42 |
| kanzure | i can't explain this. | 18:43 |
| brownies | heh | 18:45 |
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| eudoxia | it should be the eleitl fan club kanzure | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | make your case. | 21:00 |
| eudoxia | you said this was eleitl's fan club the other day | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | evidence accepted. | 21:02 |
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| @kanzure | well this looks neat | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | http://nodecopter.com/ | 21:06 |
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| @kanzure | i knew about https://github.com/substack/virus-copter but didn't know about nodecopter somehow :( | 21:08 |
| @kanzure | seems to possibly use this hardware? http://ardrone2.parrot.com/usa/ | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-AR-Drone-Quadricopter-Controlled-Android/dp/B007HZLLOK | 21:10 |
| @kanzure | "3 elements 1000 mA/H LiPo rechargeable battery (Autonomy: 12 minutes)" what? | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | only 12 minutes? | 21:13 |
| yashgaroth | I wonder if you'd get an improvement by powering the motors off of hydrocarbons | 21:14 |
| @kanzure | http://nodecopter.com/modules | 21:15 |
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| @kanzure | "copterface: Have your drone detecting faces using node-opencv." | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | "drone-kinect: Control AR.Drones using your body (with a Kinect)" | 21:16 |
| ParahSail1n | yashgaroth, yeah, batteries are pretty crappy | 21:16 |
| ParahSail1n | unfortunately for quad rotor there might not be better option | 21:16 |
| ParahSail1n | might be very good product to sell, come to think of it | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if that's 12 minutes at 11 meters/sec | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | that's 4.9 miles (7.9 km) | 21:19 |
| ParahSail1n | non-rotary wing aircraft can get about 10x the distance on the same fuel | 21:22 |
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| ParahSail1n | but quadrotors easier to control than thrust-pointed-backwards-with-wings-for-lift planes | 21:23 |
| JayDugger | ParahSail1n, do you know if any tilt-rotor model aircraft exist? | 21:24 |
| ParahSail1n | well, i guess if you made it small enough and didnt put marines on it, it wouldnt kill marines | 21:24 |
| yashgaroth | I have multiple ospreys fly directly over me every day, it's a little unsettling | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | http://summerofdrones.com/ | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | "The "Summer of Drones" is an epic series of up to 34 nodecopter events for over 1500 developers to take place in North America and Europe from June - September 2013." | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | http://dronegames.co/ | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | "Compete/Hack on drones using JavaScript! On March 9th DroneGames goes to Austin to celebrate SXSW!" | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | fuck. | 21:27 |
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| ParahSail1n | that samara rc aircraft seems interesting | 21:29 |
| JayDugger | That surprises me, yashgaroth. I didn't think you lived in Arlington, TX, or near Cherry Point, NC. | 21:29 |
| yashgaroth | under the flight path of mcas miramar | 21:30 |
| ParahSail1n | since that thing's got a glide ratio, its gonna stay in the air longer and go farther than a quadrotor | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | a little disappointed that none of my friends told me of that event at sxsw | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | the suggestions on dronegames.co sorta suck. "fly in a circle!" pfft. | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | how about "draw graffiti on a wall". | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | or "track a person by sniffing the wifi footprint" | 21:31 |
| yashgaroth | jaydugger: it's mostly f-18s and sea stallions, but within the last 6 months there's been ospreys waiting to explode above me | 21:33 |
| brownies | of all the things that nodejs shouldn't be used for, i feel like robotics is high on the list =/ | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | i think something that can properly respond to interrupts makes sense | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | and something async also makes sense | 21:35 |
| brownies | i guess that's one way to slice it | 21:36 |
| brownies | though i imagine that approach is significantly harder to analyze and debug | 21:36 |
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| @kanzure | i think that's what the simulator is for https://npmjs.org/package/voxel-drone | 21:37 |
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| brownies | haha | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | nodecopter team presentations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqX7RMpTS8 | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | oh look they even have their own ridiculous promo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gucpgJEJ5b4 | 21:42 |
| JayDugger | Dammit. I need to buy a video card that supports WebGL to test that. | 21:50 |
| BioGuy | Just wanted to let anyone who is interested know that there is now a DIYBio meetup group in the Portland area: http://www.meetup.com/DIYBio_PDX/ | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | yeah you emailed that already | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | we don't ignore your emails. | 21:50 |
| BioGuy | Right, but people on IRC didn't see my email... | 21:51 |
| BioGuy | <scratches head> unless someone else made an announcement here??? | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | yeah on 2013-03-14 | 21:53 |
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| BioGuy | Ahhhh... gotcha sorry 'bout that then. | 21:55 |
| kanzure | nothing to be sorry about.. i was just relaying information. | 21:57 |
| kanzure | i thought you would like to know that we actually talk about you or whatever | 21:57 |
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| BioGuy | HAHA! Thanks | 22:13 |
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| BioGuy | I'm posting a list of useful resources and when I was adding diyhpl.us I had no idea what to call it so I just labeled it as "Huge Giganto Wiki for Open Hardware, DIYBio, etc" | 22:15 |
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| kanzure | BioGuy: that name seems appropriate to me | 22:18 |
| BioGuy | Ha! | 22:22 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 You around? | 22:23 |
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| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl5v3bsMH_E | 22:31 |
| kanzure | heh you can just telnet in. that's fun. | 22:31 |
| kanzure | busybox not as cool. | 22:31 |
| ParahSail1n | kanzure, who was doing liquid handler robots | 22:33 |
| kanzure | hmmm sphericalmouse, delinquentme, max hodak, jonathan cline, etc.. | 22:43 |
| kanzure | hm they also had a js/cnc talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbXcdhYwR8I | 22:49 |
| kanzure | blah he wrote a gcode interpreter in javascript :/ | 22:51 |
| ParahSail1n | if they have something to sell, i have a potential customer | 22:57 |
| kanzure | hm? | 22:59 |
| kanzure | oh i see | 22:59 |
| kanzure | how soon do you guys need it? | 22:59 |
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| ParahSail1n | i think by the end of the year | 23:02 |
| ParahSail1n | well, they'll be buying whatever the industrial-medical complex oligopolist product is if they dont see a cheap alternative before they need it | 23:04 |
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| kanzure | alright | 23:10 |
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| ParahSail1n | if theyre serious about startuping based on that, this could be golden opportunity | 23:10 |
| kanzure | agreed | 23:11 |
| kanzure | how likely is the company to buy what you recommend? | 23:11 |
| ParahSail1n | i have little to do with what goes on in the wetlab side | 23:11 |
| kanzure | will they want a support contract? | 23:12 |
| ParahSail1n | so theyre gonna have to put something legit together to sell to an establishment culture business | 23:12 |
| ParahSail1n | i imagine that would be expected | 23:12 |
| ParahSail1n | any of those guys in the bay area? | 23:13 |
| kanzure | delinquentme, sphericalmouse, max (although max is working on other things and would be uninterested) | 23:15 |
| ParahSail1n | delinquent does not really impress me as useful | 23:15 |
| ParahSail1n | maybe i should hire people and do lab robot stuff myself | 23:16 |
| kanzure | alex/tyrant.. not sure if he's in the bay area. | 23:16 |
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| kanzure | ParahSail1n: go for it, i think you could have a lot worse of an idea | 23:16 |
| kanzure | *lot worse of a plan | 23:16 |
| kanzure | uh.. i mean.. the version of that statement that sounds supportive and not insulting. | 23:17 |
| ParahSail1n | heh | 23:17 |
| ParahSail1n | im pretty wary of the whole wetlab industry | 23:18 |
| ParahSail1n | extremely risk averse, so they all stick with the overpriced established vendors | 23:18 |
| kanzure | well. so far it looks like the people that actually need the equipment who bother to build the equipment they need tend to work out okay. | 23:18 |
| kanzure | just for whatever reason, these people don't release their custom rigs as an open source project. | 23:19 |
| kanzure | you don't need to become a vendor | 23:19 |
| kanzure | in fact, you might not want that job anyway | 23:19 |
| kanzure | and there may or may not be easy money in it | 23:19 |
| ParahSail1n | how much are robots from BD, bio-rad, or whoever makes them | 23:20 |
| kanzure | i don't have a spreadsheet on that :( | 23:20 |
| kanzure | all i have are vague price tags from liquidation auctions and refurbished listings on ebay | 23:20 |
| ParahSail1n | np, i was just being lazy, hoping you had had done some research in the past about that | 23:20 |
| kanzure | btw if you do end up getting a commercial handler, make it a tecan that is compatible with jonathan cline's perl library (Robotics::Tecan) so you can at least control the software. | 23:21 |
| BioGuy | I'm trying to find a list of proteins useful to humans - that the average person can read and understand why they are useful. Any suggestions? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | ParahSail1n: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=tecan+liquid+&_sacat=0&_from=R40 | 23:21 |
| kanzure | BioGuy: there are some proteins listed here (next to the snps) http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/ | 23:21 |
| BioGuy | Thanks! | 23:22 |
| kanzure | under "Gene/product" | 23:22 |
| kanzure | ParahSail1n: "Tecan Freedom EVO 2 200 8 tip w/ posid pick & place arm automated liquid handler" $50,915 | 23:23 |
| kanzure | another one of the same model going for $39,057.50 | 23:23 |
| kanzure | and another at $30,557.50 | 23:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/TECAN-Freedom-EVO-2-200-8-Tip-w-POSid-Pick-Place-Arm-Automated-Liquid-Handler-/230804017256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bcfdd068 | 23:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/TECAN-Freedom-EVO-100-8-Tip-Model-2-Diti-Automated-Liquid-Handling-Handler-Robot-/230818279314?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bdd76f92 | 23:23 |
| ParahSail1n | ah yeah, eg's just gonna buy one new, assuming its less than 100k | 23:24 |
| kanzure | well. the advantage of using one compatible with Robotics::Tecan is that you wont be quite as locked into whatever shitty vendor software comes with it. | 23:24 |
| kanzure | if it's 50k used, i'm not sure what the new price is. 2x? | 23:26 |
| ParahSail1n | yeah thats what i was figuring | 23:26 |
| kanzure | please relay any pricing information you figure out if you investigate | 23:28 |
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| ParahSail1n | yeah ill gossip with the wetlab folks | 23:30 |
| ParahSail1n | i forget how much they leased the ion torrent proton 1 for-- i think it was about a million | 23:31 |
| kanzure | hahah what.. | 23:32 |
| kanzure | that was the /lease/ | 23:32 |
| ParahSail1n | ion torrent and illumina never let you buy their machines | 23:34 |
| kanzure | i suppose that makes sense. if you are going to charge whatever you want, why would you give the hardware to consumers. | 23:35 |
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