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| kanzure | win 31 | 00:33 |
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| kanzure | gah. | 00:33 |
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| Swordsman | eh? win3.1? | 00:39 |
| kanzure | no. irssi input error. | 00:39 |
| Swordsman | ah. | 00:40 |
| Swordsman | I seem to keep bumping into transhumanism, heh | 00:42 |
| Swordsman | like, over the last decade | 00:42 |
| Swordsman | the stuff on the wiki is quite relevant to my interests | 00:43 |
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| Swordsman | specifically, I've been interested in artificial intelligence since I was a kid | 00:44 |
| Swordsman | and what's actually physically going on under the hood, when it comes to human thought processes | 00:45 |
| Swordsman | I figure that that sort of information won't be accessible until technology advances quite a bit further though, so I'm more interested in trying to push technology forward because I've been curious for so long | 00:46 |
| Swordsman | I used to read yudkowsky, which got me into lesswrong / overcomingbias, then I forgot about it for a while | 00:47 |
| Swordsman | and now here I am again, entirely by accident | 00:47 |
| kanzure | oh i see "In that system, a servo motor rotates the battery case in order to cause shear in the magnets and allow battery disengagement from the UAV." | 00:48 |
| Swordsman | basically what I'm trying to focus on right now is... I want to see if I can figure out a way for people to build high performance circuits, at low cost, easily, at home | 00:49 |
| kanzure | Swordsman: i wouldn't put much stock in eliezer's operations. | 00:49 |
| Swordsman | I've got most of the model in my head already, there's just one, maybe two more steps left in it | 00:50 |
| kanzure | Swordsman: furthermore, most of the recent results seem to be coming from brain emulation ("let's use science to inform what we do on computers") rather than artificial intelligence labs. | 00:50 |
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| Swordsman | yeah | 00:52 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 00:52 |
| Swordsman | I'm not so interested in simulating artificial intelligence | 00:52 |
| Swordsman | I want to come up with ways to mass develop cheap high performance circuits that will make it easier to process large amounts of data, including experimental results from things like brain simulations, eeg scans, etc. | 00:53 |
| kanzure | cheapest way is to own the factory | 00:53 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/homecmos | 00:54 |
| Swordsman | ah, awesome | 00:54 |
| Swordsman | gonna read through, one sec | 00:54 |
| kanzure | but honestly you can get good performance out of ec2 anyway. | 00:55 |
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| Swordsman | hmm, well, I think the idea I have in mind might get closer to the nm scale | 00:56 |
| Swordsman | but, this is great, thanks | 00:56 |
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| Swordsman | well, I also like to tinker with stuff | 00:57 |
| Swordsman | and I'd like to be able to come up with a design that'd be extremely easy and safe for anyone | 00:57 |
| Swordsman | I'm thinking about going espcially for a reconfigurable system design, so that peple don't have to do all the hardware engineering aspects, they can just reload a new config onto the same hardware | 00:58 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://xs3d.kaist.ac.kr/paperdata/2011/2011-JIRS-Morrison-UAV%20bat%20replace-Online%20First.pdf | 00:59 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5328bb92cefa879e87a1f55ccb3667c9.pdf | 01:00 |
| Swordsman | and I've pretty much got this worked out... I have this method in mind that I used to use for transforming memory layouts to compensate for various gpu memory sublties back when I was doing game dev | 01:00 |
| Swordsman | it's really quite simple and straightforward | 01:01 |
| Swordsman | so if I can just figure out a way to translate a few rigid square arrays of elements relative to eachother while keeping them intact, then it'll work | 01:02 |
| Swordsman | whether it's folding them, or stacking them, or whatever | 01:02 |
| Swordsman | the end result would be that anyone would be able to make their own cpu / gpu at home, and scale it up as much as they like, for very little cost | 01:04 |
| Swordsman | so yeah, that's what I'm trying to do | 01:07 |
| Swordsman | it's slightly similar to photolithography methods, but it'd remove all the NRE costs | 01:08 |
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| Swordsman | which might not be much got the μm level, but it gets pretty high as you get closer to nm | 01:11 |
| Swordsman | got = at | 01:12 |
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| Swordsman | like, you're looking at anywhere from $100k to $500m, I gues | 01:13 |
| Swordsman | er, guess | 01:13 |
| Swordsman | unless if you're going with electron beam lithography, which is painfully slow | 01:13 |
| Swordsman | and still requires some expensive equipment, so it wouldn't be accessible to everyone | 01:14 |
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| Swordsman | in addition, it could probably produce fully 3d circuits | 01:18 |
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| Swordsman | there're other advantages it might also have, but I'm not 100% SURE ABOUT THOSE YET | 01:22 |
| Swordsman | caps | 01:22 |
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| Swordsman | but in terms of diy computational hardware at virtually no cost, I'm pretty certain about that | 01:23 |
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| Swordsman | oh, hm. | 01:27 |
| Swordsman | I think I just had an idea for how this might work, actually | 01:28 |
| Swordsman | anyway, if I do manage to get this working, I'll bring you guys the details of how to put it all together, since I can see it being helpful with some of the various nanotech stuff on the wiki | 01:30 |
| Swordsman | if you want, anyway | 01:30 |
| Swordsman | I'm still new to this so maybe I'm missing something, heh | 01:32 |
| Swordsman | but... yeah | 01:32 |
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| archels | paperbot handles filenames correctly now? | 03:08 |
| archels | paperbot: http://turingbirds.com/temp/Dielectric%20properties%20of%20tissues%20and%20biological%20materials%20-%20a%20critical%20review_Foster,%20Schwan_Crit.%20Rev.%20Biomedical%20Eng.%20Vol%2017,%20Issue%201%20(1989).pdf | 03:08 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/73d9a3b4c7bf9c8f525712ac66c0e46d.pdf | 03:09 |
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| archels | no :( | 03:13 |
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| archels | kanzure: still looking for a good place to post this paper that I scanned ^ | 03:14 |
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| kanzure | archels: feel free to write a patch, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 04:48 |
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| kanzure | http://biotinkering.org/ http://www.raumfahrtagentur.org/ | 04:51 |
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| archels | kanzure: how about reverting to the filename in the URL if `title` parses as a hex value? | 06:19 |
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| kanzure | archels: because often the url has a terrible string that would not be useful | 10:42 |
| kanzure | hmm http://www.opensourcewarehouse.org/contributing-to-the-oshw-doc-jam-from-all-over-the-world-plus-confirmed-location/ | 10:47 |
| kanzure | god damn it, more google docs. what happened to just putting a file in a repository. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | this is the lamest shit i've seen in a while. | 10:49 |
| kanzure | yeah ok these people are clueless. | 10:49 |
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| kanzure | https://developer.etrade.com/ctnt/dev-portal/getDetail?contentUri=V0_Documentation-MarketAPI-GetQuotes | 11:09 |
| kanzure | dunno if i prefer quantopian.com or not.. | 11:09 |
| kanzure | or IB. | 11:09 |
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| archels | kanzure: this is only for when extracting the title from the json object has failed | 11:23 |
| archels | how about this format: "[hostname] filename.pdf" | 11:23 |
| archels | e.g. [iopscience.iop.org] 1741-2552_9_5_056007.pdf | 11:23 |
| archels | which is still a little better than 499998c9cf42322c2029b6a7a0a38a54.pdf | 11:24 |
| kanzure | if you submit a patch then i will merge it in and we can test it for a while. | 11:24 |
| archels | that involves actually setting up phenny somewhere :\ | 11:25 |
| kanzure | not entirely | 11:25 |
| kanzure | it works without phenny | 11:25 |
| kanzure | it doesn't even import anything phenny-related. | 11:25 |
| archels | right, just call it from the ipython shell or so? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:26 |
| kanzure | also if you are feeling super helpful, then you could write some unit tests. | 11:26 |
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| eudoxia | < kanzure> god damn it, more google docs. what happened to just putting a file in a repository. | 11:28 |
| eudoxia | the OSE wiki is worse | 11:28 |
| eudoxia | a bajillion embedded things from a million different places | 11:28 |
| eudoxia | tables, files and pictures for every page are split among at least a dozen different google docs sort of things, timeline and slides plugins, some of which don't even work anymore | 11:29 |
| kanzure | "oh we'll just use semantic mediawiki! everything will be ok!" noooot. | 11:29 |
| klafka | someone needs to make a wiki implementation that doesn't suck | 11:30 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki | 11:30 |
| klafka | actually ok tnhat would be nice a wiki that ran and set itself up off an ami automagically | 11:31 |
| eudoxia | http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set embedded TED and vimeo | 11:31 |
| eudoxia | http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press embedded google docs | 11:31 |
| kanzure | klafka: ikiwiki is very close to running straight out of an ami. sudo apt-get install ikiwiki. | 11:31 |
| eudoxia | and what the fuck is that cooliris thing | 11:31 |
| klafka | oh nice | 11:31 |
| kanzure | or you could install jrayhawk's piny packages. | 11:31 |
| kanzure | this was the point of making diyhpl.us/wiki use git but it seems to be lost on everyone. | 11:31 |
| eudoxia | frankly i've finally realized why kanz was right all along and a bunch of markdown files in a git repo beat the shit out of everything else | 11:32 |
| eudoxia | oh and they have an issuu plugin too | 11:32 |
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| kanzure | it is not useful being right if people only realize it 5 years later | 11:32 |
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| eudoxia | i like the cover on this http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/2012_Annual_Report | 11:34 |
| jrayhawk | i think gitit is probably okay too but i haven't really played with it | 11:35 |
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| kanzure | reprap.org suffers from an almost similar problem. sebastien is good at getting people to use the wiki but mediawiki is awful. | 11:38 |
| brownies | github's markdown-wikis are pretty idiot-proof. it'd be nice to just have those standalone | 11:43 |
| kanzure | there are some gems that do that | 11:43 |
| kanzure | and they are already clonable | 11:43 |
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| nmz787_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlas4vQTp8E | 11:50 |
| nmz787_ | .title | 11:50 |
| yoleaux | Is China Engineering Smarter Babies? - YouTube | 11:50 |
| nmz787_ | i'm banned somewhere? | 11:50 |
| nmz787_ | ##electronics Cannot change nickname while banned on channel | 11:51 |
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| eudoxia | i am rather disappointed that nobody sells watches with Unix time | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | i guess this is the 'original' article http://www.vice.com/read/chinas-taking-over-the-world-with-a-massive-genetic-engineering-program | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | reall though it's just selection | 12:02 |
| nmz787 | the research is in what's interesting to select for | 12:02 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: ##electronics requires you to be registered to join | 12:05 |
| kanzure | registered and authenticated | 12:05 |
| ParahSailin | good for china-- first country in the world to eradicate Down's syndrome, a completely preventable congenital disorder | 12:11 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: that's been done already? | 12:24 |
| ParahSailin | i figured thats what your link above was referencing | 12:27 |
| nmz787 | no BGI is sequencing smart people and looking for similarities | 12:27 |
| nmz787 | then using that info to select IVF candidates | 12:27 |
| ParahSailin | ah | 12:27 |
| ParahSailin | one child policy has been strong incentive to abort when chromosomal abnormalities are detected | 12:28 |
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| nmz787 | local couple sues hospital for 'wrongful birth' when prenatal scan fails to mention down syndrome http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/03/portland_couple_sues_legacy_he.html | 12:30 |
| ParahSailin | damn, mosaic downs | 12:32 |
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| kanzure | "How come +Bryan Bishop is such a genius and still doesn't have a Nobel Prize or something?" | 12:43 |
| kanzure | what the hell internet | 12:43 |
| kanzure | so i am a nobel prize winning fbi agent ?? | 12:43 |
| kanzure | i am so conflicted | 12:43 |
| nmz787 | who said that? | 12:49 |
| kanzure | someone on googleplus; i just get alerts. | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | damn dude | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | no one says i deserve a nobel | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | that i know of | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | i say congrats to internet famedom | 12:50 |
| kanzure | tell you what. i'll put in a word for you. | 12:51 |
| kanzure | nobel prizes for everyone! | 12:51 |
| kanzure | i think zuck's prize is cooler though. | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | this one http://www.breakthroughprizeinlifesciences.org/ | 12:52 |
| kanzure | "The Breakthrough Prize in Life Sciences is founded by Art Levinson, Sergey Brin, Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner to recognize excellence in research aimed at curing intractable diseases and extending human life" | 12:52 |
| kanzure | "Founding sponsors of the Breakthrough Prize in Life Sciences include Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner, who collectively have agreed to establish 5 annual prizes, US$3 million each, going forward." | 12:52 |
| klafka | yeah that's pretty cool | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | bah | 12:59 |
| nmz787 | SF isn't exactly switzerland or norway or sweden (wherever the nobel thing is from) | 13:00 |
| kanzure | has the nobel prize award money kept with inflation? | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | i never really thought it was about the money | 13:02 |
| kanzure | lots of scientists are broke, the money helps. | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "The purse has increased since the 1980s, when the prize money was 880 000 SEK ($350,000 USD ish in 2007-2012 money)" | 13:03 |
| kanzure | "In 2009, the monetary award was 10 million SEK ($1.4 million USD)" | 13:03 |
| kanzure | "In June 2012, it was lowered to 8 million SEK" huh | 13:03 |
| kanzure | there seems to be a "new lab equipment" bias in nobel prizes (which is okay, just an interesting trend). i wonder if that will happen with zuck's fund. | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | what do you mean | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | against buying new equipment? | 13:06 |
| nmz787 | against buying new equipment? | 13:06 |
| kanzure | biased towards awarding to individuals who have built new types of lab equipment | 13:07 |
| kanzure | positive-bias | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | lab companies donating the $ | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | ? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | no | 13:07 |
| kanzure | a bias does not necessarily mean corruption | 13:07 |
| kanzure | for instance, there were prizes awarded for the work involved in constructing or resulting from the construction of the electron microscope, thermocycler, etc. | 13:08 |
| kanzure | and polypeptide synthesizers. | 13:08 |
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| ParahSailin | there was a nobel prize for thermocycler? | 13:12 |
| kanzure | kary mullis | 13:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1993/press.html | 13:13 |
| kanzure | "with half to Dr Kary B. Mullis, La Jolla, California, U.S.A., for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method," | 13:13 |
| kanzure | "Session One (May 14-15, 1992), was recorded at Cetus Corporation, Emeryville, California. Kwok, Sninsky, Saiki, Scharf, Leath, Widunas, Jones, Watson, Respess, Erlich, Gelfand, Mullis and Faloona discussed the invention of the PCR technique, early applications, and development of technologies for automating the process, c. 1980-1992, including:" | 13:15 |
| kanzure | "invention of the pcr technique; design and engineering of automated thermocycling machines; development of commercial thermocycling instruments;" | 13:15 |
| kanzure | "operations of Mr. Cycle, the first generation cycling machine; demonstrations of the second- and third-generation thermocycling machines; Perkin-Elmer TC 4800 and 9600 thermocyclers; demonstration of the gel electrophoreses process using the TPCR 9600; gel from first successful experiment;" | 13:16 |
| kanzure | haha first successful gel... that's going a bit far. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | confirmation is important but i dunno about mounting the gel on the wall or something. | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | ahh, i thought you meant bias for how a winner spent the money | 13:16 |
| kanzure | i wonder if that video session is on youtube | 13:18 |
| kanzure | damn. no. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | "The first thermocycling machine, "Mr. Cycle" was developed by Cetus engineers to address that need to add fresh enzyme to each test tube after the heating and cooling process. And the purification of the Taq polymerase resulted in the need for a machine to cycle more rapidly among different temperatures. In 1985, Cetus formed a joint venture with the Perkin-Elmer Corporation in Norwalk, Connecticut, and introduced the DNA Thermal Cycler." | 13:20 |
| kanzure | "By 1988, Cetus was receiving numerous inquiries about licensing to perform PCR for commercial diagnostic purposes. On January 15, 1989, Cetus announced an agreement to collaborate with Hoffman-LaRoche on the development and commercialization of in vitro human diagnostic products and services based on PCR technology. Roche Molecular Systems eventually bought the PCR patent and associated technology from Cetus for $300,000,000." | 13:21 |
| kanzure | "Ramunas Kondratas, curator at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History (NMAH), documented the discovery, development, commercialization, and applications of PCR technology. Three sessions were recorded May 14 and May 15, 1992 at Emeryville, California; September 25, 1992 at Alameda, California; and February 25, 1993 at Norwalk, Connecticut." | 13:21 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0197458004001411 | 13:21 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Contribution%20of%20the%20MTHFR%20gene%20to%20the%20causal%20pathway%20for%20depression%2C%20anxiety%20and%20cognitive%20impairment%20in%20later%20life.pdf | 13:21 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_v._Roche "Stanford v. Roche, 563 U.S. ___ (2011), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that title in a patented invention vests first in the inventor, even if the inventor is a researcher at a federally funded lab subject to the 1980 Bayh–Dole Act.[1] The judges affirmed the common understanding of US Constitutional law that inventors originally own inventions they make, and ... | 13:24 |
| kanzure | ... contractual obligations to assign those rights to third parties are secondary.[2]" | 13:24 |
| kanzure | (different patents) "When Stanford sued Roche for infringing the patents in 2005, Roche countered by claiming that it jointly owned the patents, due an agreement that a Stanford faculty member, Dr. Mark Holodniy, signed in the late 1980s when he did research at Cetus, the biotechnology company that invented PCR and that was later acquired by Roche." | 13:24 |
| kanzure | "When Holodniy had joined the faculty of Stanford shortly before he had visited Cetus, he, like all scientific personnel at companies and research institutions, had signed an agreement in which he agreed that his employer would own any inventions he made. Stanford's agreement, in particular, stated that he "'agree[d] to assign' to Stanford his 'right, title and interest in' inventions resulting from his employment at the University."[1]:2" | 13:24 |
| kanzure | "The Stanford lab in which Holodniy worked had been working on developing better HIV tests, and wanted to try the new PCR method, so Holodniy's supervisor had arranged for him to work at Cetus to learn the technique. .. After completing his training at Cetus, Holodniy then returned to Stanford where he and other Stanford employees tested the HIV measurement technique. Over the next few years, Stanford obtained written assignments of rights ... | 13:24 |
| kanzure | ... from the Stanford employees, including Holodniy, and filed several patent applications related to the procedure." | 13:24 |
| kanzure | hah. | 13:24 |
| kanzure | that seems to be the same cetus that commercialized the first thermocycler | 13:25 |
| kanzure | "the new PCR method" probably refers to kary mullis' pcr method and not a particular variation | 13:25 |
| kanzure | oh i didn't know kary mullis was working for cetus when he patented it. that's curious. | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Dr. Kary Mullis at Cetus Corporation conceives of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR). PCR is a simple yet elegant process that enables the production of virtually unlimited copies of genetic material in the laboratory." | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Although the Nobel Prize for the conception of PCR was given to Kary Mullis, Ph.D., in 1993, the technology was developed and applied by the labs of Henry Erlich, Ph.D., David Gelfand, Ph.D., and other teams of scientists at Cetus. The full history of the technology’s development and application is marked by an extraordinary collaboration of scientists working in a corporate setting." | 13:28 |
| kanzure | pfft there's a patent on the pcr microcentrifuge tube http://www.google.com/patents/US6015534 issued in 2000 (seems sorta late for that) | 13:30 |
| kanzure | "On Monday, March 27, 1989, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for DNA THERMAL CYCLER by Perkin-Elmer Corporation, The, NORWALK 068590181. The USPTO has given the DNA THERMAL CYCLER trademark serial number of 73789096. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED-FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE." | 13:33 |
| kanzure | man all those patents on pcr are really sad. their claims seem to overlap a lot and none of the patent examiners are the same people. | 13:34 |
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| ParahSailin | ah i didnt realize the thermocycler was included in the PCR nobel | 13:42 |
| kanzure | well.. pcr definitely came first before any machines, but it was the same people. the award text also does not specifically point to the machine either. but they are both strongly related i think. | 13:43 |
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| ParahSailin | i would hope that any invention would imply some sort of physical manifestation | 14:21 |
| kanzure | i think they had some patents on the protocols themselves. | 14:26 |
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| ParahSailin | i wonder when sperm sexing will become popular for the chinese ultra-rich | 14:46 |
| ParahSailin | sperm sexing takes huge bull loads to get enough to knock up a cow, but it probably wouldnt cost that much more to accurately sort smaller amounts | 14:47 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: cathal's response is pretty funny. he seems to have a very negative opinion of gamete modification. | 15:11 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah or we're just non-ethical? too logical? | 16:15 |
| kanzure | i don't think his opinion is tractable. if you took his opinion to its conclusions then it would mean something like "people should not be allowed to think about who they breed with". | 16:21 |
| kanzure | btw randalla1ordon is also idling in here | 16:21 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 16:23 |
| nmz787 | the real question was regarding the country with most progressive laws (or most lax) | 16:24 |
| ParahSailin | technology is way too primitive to do any useful gamete modification | 16:25 |
| nmz787 | seems like that's because there are too many people scared of god to even start trying | 16:26 |
| ParahSailin | no, there's not even decent technology to do useful transfection of cell lines in dishes | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | how do we have whole lines of mice knockouts? | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | gfp mice, etc | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | ? | 16:27 |
| ParahSailin | for some value of "useful" | 16:28 |
| ParahSailin | its possible to knock out a gene or put one in | 16:28 |
| ParahSailin | there are uses in a lab for that | 16:28 |
| ParahSailin | there's nothing that would be useful in the context of eugenics that can be done at our current technology | 16:28 |
| nmz787 | gfp baby | 16:29 |
| ParahSailin | exactly | 16:29 |
| ParahSailin | i dont think there's even a way to do a snp recombination transfection | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | or actually lux | 16:31 |
| ParahSailin | much less a dozen snps at a time to be useful in eugenics | 16:31 |
| ParahSailin | much less the ability to modify regulatory elements or predict the effects of that | 16:32 |
| ParahSailin | of course cathal believes its unethical to eat animals, so why are we paying attention to his ethical theories | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | i consider his opinion, he's usually pretty smart about things it seems | 16:35 |
| nmz787 | how else would i bust into a new paradigmn, if i don't question my own? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | i think you can do genome assembly if you are willing to pay a lot | 16:37 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: i don't presently remember cathal's stance on gmo food either. since he's european, i imagine it's negative. i would expect given his biology background that it would be less negative. yet, seeing his responses here indicates that i am completely unable to predict his opinion. | 16:38 |
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| nmz787 | well if you were able to predict what he were to say, you'd not hear anything new from him ever | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | BioGuy: hey. | 17:16 |
| BioGuy | Hey! | 17:16 |
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| ParahSail1n | i thought the euopean opposition to gmo was merely trade war shenanigans | 17:54 |
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| BioGuy | So, I'm thinking a good starter project for working with Python would be to write a program to search through the ##hplusroadmap logs. So any pythonistas here do you have any suggestions? Can this all be accomplished with the standard library? Which modules would you suggest primarily looking into? | 18:10 |
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| eudoxia | import os | 18:17 |
| eudoxia | def search(derp): | 18:17 |
| eudoxia | os.system('grep ' + derp + ' *.log') | 18:18 |
| eudoxia | on that note, i've been meaning to write a script that downloads today's log every couple of minutes | 18:19 |
| ParahSail1n | BioGuy, help out with paperbot | 18:19 |
| BioGuy | paperbot? | 18:19 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot needs to be able to scrape more sites | 18:19 |
| eudoxia | and uses libnotify to search for terms of interest | 18:20 |
| BioGuy | thanks for the tips! | 18:20 |
| ParahSail1n | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 18:20 |
| eudoxia | (correction: it uses libnotify to alert me when it's found something of interest, like when kirka logs on or people start talking about mnt) | 18:21 |
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| BioGuy | paperbot looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I quite understand how it works. | 18:24 |
| BioGuy | hi paperbot | 18:24 |
| BioGuy | Ha! That didn't do anything | 18:24 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7168/full/nature06325.html | 18:25 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Crystal%20structure%20of%20the%20human%202%20adrenergic%20G-protein-coupled%20receptor.pdf | 18:25 |
| eudoxia | somebody needs to implement .paperbotsnack | 18:25 |
| eudoxia | somebody = kanzure | 18:25 |
| eudoxia | or i guess i could give it a try | 18:26 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot: http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sigtrans;4/191/ra60 | 18:26 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bae2146a588663bdcbc033f0758f14c1.txt | 18:26 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot: http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/sigtrans;4/191/ra60 | 18:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/eb539b0a9f0223d3a7514f5f5e394599.txt | 18:26 |
| eudoxia | dammit paperbot we're trying to show you off to BioGuy stop failing like that | 18:26 |
| ParahSail1n | no, this is exactly what bioguy needs to see | 18:27 |
| ParahSail1n | on some publishers, paperbot can't scrape | 18:27 |
| BioGuy | HAHA! So if you reference something behind a pay wall it finds an actual copy? | 18:28 |
| BioGuy | ROFL @ ParaSail1n | 18:28 |
| BioGuy | That is really cool! | 18:28 |
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| ParahSail1n | bioguy yes it is located inside a paywall | 18:29 |
| eudoxia | in an undisclosed location~ | 18:29 |
| BioGuy | so do you manually feed it sites where the article is available or are there "scraper sites" that can find the article? | 18:30 |
| BioGuy | Ahhh | 18:30 |
| eudoxia | you give it the url and it extracts it directly | 18:30 |
| BioGuy | Thats awesome! | 18:30 |
| eudoxia | took me a whole afternoon to figure out how it works | 18:31 |
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| BioGuy | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bip.360340210/abstract | 18:34 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c12baf5c5c7658c41c0110599eff8095.txt | 18:34 |
| BioGuy | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bip.360340210/pdf | 18:35 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b16020afcae6e58b52694b70b3d627b8.txt | 18:35 |
| ParahSail1n | yeah, wiley doesnt work so good | 18:36 |
| ParahSail1n | try sciencedirect | 18:36 |
| eudoxia | i'm like the only guy here who's never used paperbot, it feels kinda weird | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | alright paperbot, i don't know you and you don't know me, but i think we can make this work | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/nl400542n | 18:38 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/57aab5cad8625c8b413baa3d39c069b6.pdf | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | .paperbotsnack | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | i sure hope i don't get droned for this | 18:39 |
| ParahSail1n | BioGuy, another thing you could work on is making it give helpful names for the ones it fetches vs the hex hash stuff | 18:40 |
| ParahSail1n | for a lot, it grabs the names already http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ | 18:40 |
| BioGuy | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0005278772904261 | 18:41 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20gel%20electrophoresis%20of%20DNA.txt | 18:41 |
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| BioGuy | I would love to add what I could... but I feel like I'm a bit out of my league. ie I have no idea what hex hash is ---though I do know what hexadecimal is! | 18:42 |
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| ParahSail1n | hash is how dict works | 18:43 |
| eudoxia | i know what a hash is but i don't know where hex comes into play | 18:43 |
| BioGuy | I really want to tell other people about paperbot, but I don't want to get anyone into any copyright legal troubles. | 18:44 |
| BioGuy | Kanzure are you worried about that at all? | 18:45 |
| eudoxia | title = "%0.2x" % random.getrandbits(128) | 18:45 |
| eudoxia | oh so that's what it is | 18:45 |
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| ParahSail1n | ah, so not a hash | 19:02 |
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| kanzure | BioGuy: you can use an existing irc log parser, like one of these https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=irc+log&submit=search | 20:27 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: yes, i just use a random filename when i don't trust the given url. | 20:29 |
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| balrog | paperbot: http://link.springer.com.libproxy.temple.edu/book/10.1007/b100535/page/1 | 21:22 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3e22c7ceee8ab858e8bc064ab07e9e0a.txt | 21:22 |
| balrog | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/b100535/page/1 | 21:23 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 300 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9cfd924647c123abd9ee79a7bf562db9.txt | 21:23 |
| kanzure | i have no clue where all these shanghai keep getting my email address from. is this just random spam? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | *shanghai companies | 21:33 |
| kanzure | this time it's "we are a professional producer of tungsten carbide cutters" | 21:33 |
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| klafka_ | With $6.5M In Tow, Bina Technologies Wants To Bring Big Data Insight To Genomic Sequencing | 22:31 |
| klafka_ | LOL | 22:31 |
| klafka_ | no one in genome sequencing is using large amounts of data | 22:32 |
| brownies | there's only 4 letters! how can the data be big! | 22:35 |
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| kanzure | microryza got into ycombinator? | 22:49 |
| klafka_ | oh really? | 22:58 |
| brownies | what the hell do they even do? | 22:58 |
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| klafka_ | 'kicstarter for scientific resaerch' | 22:58 |
| klafka_ | *research | 22:58 |
| kanzure | bleh | 22:58 |
| klafka_ | man so far my scipy.weave code is way faster than numba's auto jit | 23:00 |
| klafka_ | now i'm testing it against scipy.spatial.distance.jaccard | 23:00 |
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| klafka_ | it's crazy but i think that my shit is faster | 23:06 |
| klafka_ | oh yes | 23:07 |
| klafka_ | the scipy code is pure python / numpy | 23:07 |
| kanzure | numba is the python/llvm thing? | 23:07 |
| klafka_ | yeah | 23:07 |
| klafka_ | i'm really dissapointed about numba though | 23:07 |
| klafka_ | I think I'm going to post to their list and see if I am doing something wrong | 23:07 |
| kanzure | btw have you used hive or pig? | 23:07 |
| klafka_ | no | 23:08 |
| klafka_ | we dont' use hadoop and I haven't really had too much interest in setting that hsit up | 23:08 |
| klafka_ | shit | 23:08 |
| klafka_ | and numexpr won't work with what i'm doing | 23:09 |
| kanzure | wait, why are you working on work things so late | 23:14 |
| brownies | 11pm monday? sounds like regular work hours to me | 23:16 |
| klafka_ | kanzure: idk why not? | 23:18 |
| klafka_ | i like wor | 23:18 |
| klafka_ | k | 23:18 |
| kanzure | not being slave driven? | 23:26 |
| klafka_ | nope | 23:35 |
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| kanzure | "You could still use the plain old browser web cache to track users. Send a unique image to each user with a long expiry time with an id embedded in it somewhere, then on the page, simply read the image using javascript/canvas to get the id." | 23:48 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_ETag#Tracking_using_ETags | 23:53 |
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