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| @archels | kanzure: re neuroml-tech, it's not super-interesting if you're not actively involved with NeuroML | 00:51 |
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| @archels | oh hey, ops. thanks | 00:52 |
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| @kanzure | ah that sucks | 01:19 |
| eleitl | neuroml design? | 01:25 |
| eleitl | where does an uploader go for the meat? | 01:25 |
| @kanzure | i've considered staking out anders' house and just taking copies of his hard drives. | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | "considered".. for a second or two. not much longer. | 01:31 |
| eleitl | Anders will be probably happy to share his paper stash. | 01:38 |
| @kanzure | but he turned to the dark side | 01:38 |
| eleitl | why, ivory tower? | 01:38 |
| @kanzure | philosophy | 01:39 |
| @kanzure | bostrom | 01:39 |
| eleitl | he thinks he can get more traction there, plus, this gives him a meal ticket | 01:40 |
| @archels | nice pun, eleitl :) | 01:45 |
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| @kanzure | so... here's a weird idea. all of those scammy scam publishers that accept any articles. | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/ | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | what about just submitting other papers? | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | and then making them host the content. | 02:15 |
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| @archels | "CONFAB JOURNALS" haha | 02:26 |
| @archels | they probably won't have much of a spine when IOP comes knocking on *their* door | 02:28 |
| eleitl | distibuted p2p cryptosystems can take care of the location problem | 02:49 |
| eleitl | unless they themselves are declared illegal | 02:49 |
| eleitl | at which point you build a botnet, and live happily ever after | 02:49 |
| @archels | declared illegal by whom, the United Nations? | 02:50 |
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| eleitl | goverments can collude well enough, if greased sufficiently | 02:51 |
| eleitl | and they will be greased sufficiently | 02:52 |
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| eleitl | disrupting known traffic only gives you that much leverage | 02:52 |
| eleitl | you have to deter as well, orelse you're fucked | 02:52 |
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| eleitl | but, being a victim of a botnet won't get you beheaded. in most countries. | 02:53 |
| eleitl | let us praise the crappy programmers, who made this possible | 02:55 |
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| strangewarp | Hmm | 06:05 |
| strangewarp | http://robrhinehart.com/?p=474 - Another update on Soylent, this time detailing bioavailability and CR | 06:05 |
| strangewarp | Also: Skeptics' Guide To The Universe has declared that Soylent is inferior to Ensure, because Ensure was approved by the FDA and Soylent wasn't. Reddit Skepticism as its finest, IMO | 06:07 |
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| strages_work | how do I use the bot for retrieving papers? | 06:56 |
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| eleitl | paperbot: http://blah.net | 06:59 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/867c36c22fd0c844bf00113fe405f204.txt | 06:59 |
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| strages_work | it pulls papers from behind paywalls or I have to provide a direct link to the paper and it's just for archiving papers in one place? | 07:12 |
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| @kanzure | strages_work: it will figure it out | 10:44 |
| @kanzure | hashedAI: hi | 10:44 |
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| @kanzure | http://digitheadslabnotebook.blogspot.com/2013/04/hivebio-diy-biology-lab-for-seattle.html | 10:46 |
| @kanzure | https://www.microryza.com/projects/seattle-biohacker-space/updates | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | "I am the Communications Manager for the Washington Biotechnology and Biomedical Association (WBBA). We are very interested in working with you to promote BioHive and your story to the Pacific Northwest life sciences community." | 10:48 |
| @kanzure | http://washbio.org/ | 10:48 |
| strages_work | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ett.2632/ | 10:56 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a34d03931f76a63e025177baee7c3f40.txt | 10:56 |
| strages_work | hmm that's not what I needed | 10:57 |
| @kanzure | strages_work: sometimes paperbot can't get a paper. sorry. | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | firefox is getting a network inspector http://bits.potch.me/netpanel.png | 11:05 |
| strages_work | thanks anyways, off to /r/scholar I go | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | haha script kiddies are still alive http://www.hackforums.net/ (click the "hacking" tab) | 11:06 |
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| @ParahSailin | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es3038824 | 11:20 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Energy%20Balance%20of%20the%20Global%20Photovoltaic%20%28PV%29%20Industry%20-%20Is%20the%20PV%20Industry%20a%20Net%20Electricity%20Producer%3F.pdf | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | when i grow up i want to be a script kiddie | 11:32 |
| venturecommunism | kanzure: http://collabcad.venturecommunism.com:8000 ever seen shapesmith? | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | yes i've seen shapesmith | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | i wish he would release his opencascade bindings | 11:37 |
| venturecommunism | what do you think? | 11:37 |
| venturecommunism | he's moving from OCC | 11:37 |
| venturecommunism | to all javascript | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | has he written nurbs intersection things then? | 11:37 |
| venturecommunism | i don't know how far along he is | 11:38 |
| venturecommunism | it won't be able to do full CAD but it'll do STL | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | not interested | 11:38 |
| venturecommunism | (or something) | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | he is dumb for choosing STL-only | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | his current work is better than that | 11:38 |
| venturecommunism | i think the major advantage is the realtime collaborative, the human component here | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | he already had that in the first place | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | you are very bad at lying | 11:39 |
| venturecommunism | no he has never had collaborative in realtime | 11:39 |
| venturecommunism | and you are very stupid and obstinate | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | what? | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | he had a client that communicated with the server | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | that's collaboration | 11:39 |
| venturecommunism | realtime collaboration means i see in realtime what you're doing | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | that's really not a problem | 11:39 |
| venturecommunism | ok | 11:40 |
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| venturecommunism | well for people who actually think people should collaborate on open source hardware documentation, the open hardware documentation gathering is happening soon http://opensourcewarehouse.org | 11:45 |
| @kanzure | have you read their emails about that? | 11:46 |
| @kanzure | http://lists.oshwa.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-March/thread.html | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | this is also where OSE revealed their gross incompetence | 11:47 |
| venturecommunism | i think everyone who doesn't have an event like this is grossly incompetent | 11:47 |
| venturecommunism | but thanks for the link | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | haha because technical work can only happen in person? that's bullshit. | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | they also demonstrated- in those emails- a surprising lack of knowledge about existing and theoretical tools for packaging, documenting and developing open source hardware | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | although the electronics people seemed to have some alright knowledge, like nate from sparkfun | 11:49 |
| venturecommunism | i see you pointing and laughing at ignorance more than i see you stepping in to remedy it | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | fuck you, i pointed you to my emails where i was more than thorough | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | maybe you just suck at reading? | 11:50 |
| @kanzure | i think it's more likely that you don't like the answers i give you | 11:51 |
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| venturecommunism | grepping the logs here. i assume you mean http://gnusha.org/skdb ? | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | huh? no i mean the links i just gave you | 11:52 |
| venturecommunism | either that or biopapers, i don't see a lot of other candidates | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | http://lists.oshwa.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-March/thread.html | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | it was like four minutes ago wtf | 11:52 |
| venturecommunism | oh i didn't realize that was where the solution was kept. just the gross ignorance | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | it's pretty obvious my name is listed on that page. but i would recommend reading all of the emails in context. | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | actually that might be hard to do from that thread.html view | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | because emails are in thread/reply order, rather than chronological order | 11:54 |
| eudoxia | hello venturecommunism | 11:54 |
| eudoxia | so kanz, it's pretty clear you don't like OSE | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | i think marcin is great but i think he could do better | 11:54 |
| eudoxia | but what about defdist? | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | i think their zip file is silly? | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | better than no zip file i guess | 11:55 |
| eudoxia | apparently they are working on 'git backed' stuff | 11:55 |
| @kanzure | i'm not really sure how defense distributed works. there does seem to be some cad models laying around and some active participants. but who is maintaining each of these projects? is it just model-and-dump? i haven't really investigated. | 11:56 |
| eudoxia | i think it's model and dump | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | seems that thingiverse follows that strategy too | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | and possibly also upverter | 11:57 |
| eudoxia | the 'notes' i think mirrors a readme.txt file in each repo (no markup) | 11:57 |
| eudoxia | right now it's just as bad but wilson seems to want to improve it | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | show? | 11:57 |
| eudoxia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO54gzfite4 | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | .title | 11:57 |
| yoleaux | DEFCAD.com - YouTube | 11:58 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 11:58 |
| eudoxia | i'm sorry there's no transcript | 11:58 |
| eudoxia | it's also pretty silly at times | 11:58 |
| @kanzure | why oh why is video | 11:58 |
| @kanzure | back in my day we wrote down what we wanted to say | 11:59 |
| @kanzure | and then people would read those things | 11:59 |
| eudoxia | i know you don't want to tell me | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 12:00 |
| eudoxia | anyways some of the screenshots show a 'fork' button | 12:00 |
| eudoxia | i guess that's moving in the right direction | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | what is it that i don't want to tell you? | 12:00 |
| eudoxia | maybe you should convince him to use skdb as the backend | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | you don't need to tell me you'd rather hate text than video | 12:01 |
| @kanzure | i don't think so. i think skdb should be broken up into smaller tools. also it needs more people reviewing the spec and proposing better ways to go about doing this. | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | i mean, you don't need* to tell me | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | derp | 12:01 |
| @kanzure | people keep saying "put the BOM in a list in a text file called bom.txt" but they never bother to try to formalize that or make tools around it or something | 12:01 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if octopart has changed their position on how much involvement they would prefer | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | there used to be some random skdb-octopart integration | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | something about using their schema/names for some parts because they seemed to have naming down alright? i might be wrong. | 12:03 |
| eudoxia | https://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/master/octopart.py ? | 12:03 |
| @kanzure | this was back when octopart wasn't making any money hehe | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | s/hehe/heh | 12:04 |
| @kanzure | hm they have released a v3 api | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | http://octopart.com/api/docs/v3/overview | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | "The Octopart API is the easiest way for developers to access up-to-date pricing and availability information for electronic components from distributors around the world. Using the Octopart API, you can access stocking information, price breaks, lead times, minimum order quantities and much more information from over 100 distributors including Digi-Key, Mouser, Newark, Premier Farnell, Avnet, Arrow, RS Components, Allied Electronics, Future ... | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | ... Electronics, Grainger and many others." | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | wtf "The Octopart API v3 will be free to use until June 30, 2013. The pricing information below will be effective starting July 1, 2013." | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | "The Octopart API uses simple pay-as-you-go pricing so that you can control your costs and pay only for the resources you consume. You can track usage from your Dashboard. Your credit card will be charged monthly based on your usage according to the following pricing chart:" | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | well that's really disappointing | 12:06 |
| eudoxia | aw fuck it | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | "To maintain performance of the API there is a rate limit of 3 HTTP requests/second per IP address. If your application requires a higher rate limit please email us to inquire about volume pricing and service level agreements (api@octopart.com)." | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | "The Octopart API makes it incredibly easy to do partnumber lookups. Using the "parts/match" method you can search for parts by manufacturer part number (mpn) or distributor part number (sku) and even limit your results to a particular manufacturer or distributor. You can also make up to 20 queries simultaneously which makes it very easy to do BOM matching:" | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | wtf they do click tracking? http://octopart-clicks.com/click/vptrack?ak=EXAMPLE_KEY&sig=0a9f49b&vpid=44181590 | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | whcih redirects to http://rcfreelance.com/searchresults.php?email=websales@rcfreelance.com&partnumber=206062-1 | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | *which | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | ok octopart has gotten weird | 12:07 |
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| @kanzure | their api seems to respond with PriceOffer objects for electronic components, but i don't see a way to purchase items automatically? lame. | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | also, someone bothered to reverse an attack on someone's bitcoin wallet (vector was java applet then exe) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5531245 | 12:13 |
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| venturecommunism | instead of octopart what about octopost http://octopost.me | 12:56 |
| eudoxia | >the most radically disruptive project in the history of telecommunications! | 12:57 |
| eudoxia | >€9,999,999,999 | 12:57 |
| venturecommunism | thats true | 12:57 |
| eudoxia | wait a second... is this an elaborate joke? | 12:58 |
| venturecommunism | if it's a joke then why is it so elaborate? | 12:58 |
| eudoxia | to make it more believable duh | 12:59 |
| venturecommunism | they offer a way to physically output sans serif fonts onto pictures of cats and then transport them using a global network of pneumatic tubes that is compliant with all national and internation trade and security agreements and whose centralized topograpy and Deep Capsule Inspection (tm) ensures optimum efficiency. i don't see whats funny about that | 13:00 |
| eudoxia | yeah it's a joke | 13:00 |
| chris_99 | indeed | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | i hate reddit | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | i blame reddit for venturecommunism believing that | 13:02 |
| eudoxia | oh kanz he was just joking | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | according to the text on his site he is not joking | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | he genuinely believes in radical social flash mob javascripting | 13:04 |
| eudoxia | re flash mobs | 13:04 |
| venturecommunism | kanzure: javascript not involved in that btw | 13:04 |
| eudoxia | have those worked for OSE? | 13:04 |
| @kanzure | no amount of flash mobness is going to undo the damage their wiki has caused them | 13:05 |
| venturecommunism | the idea has nothing to do with javascript, it has to do with getting product pre-orders using an open source kickstarter clone, buying parts, and then setting up a mutual credit system for supply chain management | 13:05 |
| venturecommunism | the question is whether there's some open source hardware product out there for which this is a good idea, whether it's shapeoko or not | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: re cells as computers, when i stopped by cambrian I mentioned that discussion to Anselm and he said that eventually with complex enough computers (like definitely quantum computers) we should get much closer to the programming cells ideal | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | or rather get closer to understanding cells like programmtic things | 13:12 |
| venturecommunism | cells, like automata, wolfram NKOS? | 13:14 |
| eudoxia | i think they're talking about actual cells | 13:15 |
| venturecommunism | biological bootstrap nanotech? | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i don't think quantum computing would mean programmable cells. maybe he is going for a simulation angle? "if we can simulate it a bunch, then maybe we can figure out something that is close to programming." seems like hand waving to me though. | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | additional simulation could help, though | 13:23 |
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| nmz787 | no it was simply a conversation about elucuidating the logic of the cell | 13:51 |
| nmz787 | not actually manipulating it | 13:51 |
| nmz787 | simulation i guess would come right after discovering/understanding the logic | 13:52 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz787: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2013/04/10/does-carnitine-from-red-meat-contribute-to-heart-disease-through-intestinal-bacterial-metabolism-to-tmao/ | 14:47 |
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| nmz787 | jrayhawk: link isn't working for me | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | the date alone worked | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | oh, weird, i must have copied it wrong | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: illuminati trying to control lifespan by misdirecting dietary info? | 14:56 |
| jrayhawk | if by "illuminati" you mean "entrenched political and economic interests" and by "lifespan" you mean "their own income" | 14:58 |
| jrayhawk | though there's some correlation there | 15:00 |
| jrayhawk | sick people are excellent economic opportunities | 15:00 |
| jrayhawk | as demonstrated by a ten billion dollar statin industry | 15:00 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i just got an issue of Nature Methods in print from my mailbox! | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | and one addressed too you too! | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | and another addressed to a friend I sent that signup link to | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | mine says my name twice, yours says your name once and my name once, the other sayd my friends name and my name both once | 15:04 |
| nmz787 | and all my address | 15:04 |
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| nmz787 | this is interesting too https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5529202 | 15:11 |
| nmz787 | 'US rice imports 'contain harmful levels of lead' (bbc.co.uk)' | 15:11 |
| nmz787 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22099990 | 15:11 |
| nmz787 | i havent looked for the original article yet though | 15:11 |
| @ParahSailin | i thought it was arsenic | 15:15 |
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| @ParahSailin | oh, rice imports | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: haha why is it all going to you though? | 15:23 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: beats me | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | "Besides this, this same group has previously shown that the enzyme responsible for converting trimethylamine to TMAO is suppressed by androgens, and its activity is low in males compared to females. Thus, comparing a female omnivore to a male vegan is misleading." | 15:59 |
| nmz787 | "While this may indicate that meat-eaters as a group generate more TMAO from supplemental carnitine than vegetarians, it is somewhat unclear whether this experiment was confounded by antibiotic treatment, and the authors do not explain whether the result is driven by a single outlier or a fundamental gender difference, neither do they show any results indicating that the total amount of TMAO in the blood (instead of just isotopically labeled TMAO) in | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | wait doesn't he mean sex instead of gender? | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | isn't gender supposed to be the societal/chosen trait that's /influenced/ by sex? | 16:03 |
| nmz787 | "Suppose each mouse drinks about 5 milliliters of water per day. This would provide 65 milligrams of carnitine per day, more than a third of what could be obtained from eating an eight-ounce steak. Adjusting for body weight, this is like a human eating a thousand steaks per day. This is beyond the capacity of even the most die-hard meat-lovers." | 16:04 |
| jrayhawk | i can take it | 16:05 |
| jrayhawk | bring it on | 16:05 |
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| jrayhawk | gender, sex, and karyotype are all messy categories and fighting about their definitions and interrelations is at this point something i would only expect a trans activist to do | 16:08 |
| jrayhawk | and masterjohn already has lots of other fights to put his weight behind | 16:09 |
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| eudoxia | americans, why are you at defcon 3 | 16:36 |
| eudoxia | has SIAI been nuked yet? | 16:36 |
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| jrayhawk | SIAI sold out its branding and changed to MIRI. | 16:45 |
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| @fenn | nmz787: you had lead poisoning? | 17:06 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: still receiving hilarious things in the mail ? | 17:21 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: actually i've been sort of happy about how we don't seem to be getting any of the SIAI brand refugees. hopefully lesswrong will continue to absorb them? | 17:35 |
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| brownies | what's SIAI? | 17:36 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: siai is singularity institute for artificial intelligence | 18:11 |
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| nmz787 | lol, I thought it was an anagram for ASIA | 18:30 |
| nmz787 | the continent | 18:30 |
| nmz787 | but then that doesn't work | 18:30 |
| nmz787 | i'm bad at anagramming | 18:30 |
| nmz787 | fenn: yes, blood filtering when i was a kid using chelators | 18:31 |
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| n_bentha | herp derp | 19:02 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: which day were we playing with that publishers free signup thing | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: 2013-02-13 | 19:20 |
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| juri_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/12/dvd_player_hiv_blood_test/ | 22:13 |
| Adifex | juri: hacking at it's finest :D | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | its. | 22:33 |
| Adifex | Oh god. Right. | 22:36 |
| Adifex | I hate people like me :D | 22:36 |
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| brownies | whoa. that is impressive. | 22:43 |
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