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| kanzure | hmm it looks like my calculations for the gyroscope on the emotiv epoc were slightly wrong | 11:42 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/openyou/emokit/issues/74 | 11:42 |
| kanzure | [[1738, 1697], [1739, 1713], [1738, 1696], [1739, 1713], [1738, 1726], [1738, 1727]] and he claims "+- 300" but his examples don't seem to follow that range | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | what why did gnusha timeout | 12:59 |
| kanzure | wow what "I'm in biology. The journals Nature and Science both specify that Microsoft Word is their preferred format for submissions" | 13:05 |
| kanzure | more scigit/banyan/sharelatex things https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632760 | 13:05 |
| kanzure | it looks like they modified gitlab to add latex/pdf rendering.. i think they should just say that instead of claiming "github of science". | 13:09 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/manuels/texlive.js "This is a port of TeX live 2012 to Javascript. It is based on my port of the pdftex TeX compiler to Javascript using emscripten. It creates PDF files from LaTeX code and supports (some) packages." | 13:10 |
| archels | aren't journals the 'GitHub of science'? | 13:13 |
| EnLilaSko | Wouldn't GitHub mean that anyone could publish? | 13:19 |
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| kanzure | archels: no, journals don't have git integration | 13:24 |
| kanzure | EnLilaSko: why would that matter? | 13:25 |
| EnLilaSko | I meant that github is open for everyone to upload (in contrast to journals where things are selected) | 13:25 |
| EnLilaSko | I think it is atleast | 13:26 |
| kanzure | who cares though? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | i don't see your point.. | 13:26 |
| kanzure | are you angry that anyone can use git? | 13:26 |
| EnLilaSko | archels wrote that journals were the github of science, I just said that github allows everyone to upload and that journals do not | 13:27 |
| EnLilaSko | Nope, lol, not at all | 13:27 |
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| kanzure | i think these analogies are very broken | 13:27 |
| chris_99 | does anyone use wordpress per chance, i can't seem to work out how to change the max. upload size | 13:28 |
| kanzure | max upload size is configured in php.ini | 13:28 |
| kanzure | also try #wordpress | 13:28 |
| chris_99 | hmm i don't seem to have a php.ini ta will do | 13:29 |
| kanzure | if you are running php then you most likely have a php.ini file | 13:29 |
| archels | GitHub is essentially an exchange for software code. Journals are an exchange for ideas. I can fork someone's idea like software, by building upon it and referencing the original publication. | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | i'm just using lighttpd with php, it looks like you can tell the php interpretter to load a php.ini file though so i'll do that | 13:30 |
| archels | (as has been pointed out, the details of the analogy don't quite fit) | 13:30 |
| kanzure | this analogy is stupid | 13:30 |
| archels | yes | 13:31 |
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| brownies | you're using lighttpd with php? why, are you pretending it's 1999? | 15:22 |
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| chris_99 | what's wrong with lighttpd | 15:25 |
| brownies | all the cool kids use nginx now | 15:26 |
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| chris_99 | from the comparisons i've read theres not much diff. in performance though | 15:26 |
| chris_99 | so i can't be bothered switching heh | 15:27 |
| kanzure | exploiting a bug in google glass http://www.saurik.com/id/16 | 15:27 |
| brownies | this is interesting http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2013/04/science-exchange-series-a-financing/ | 15:30 |
| kanzure | "As we look ahead to the rest of 2013, we’re excited to announce that Science Exchange has closed a Series A financing round, raising an additional $3 million in venture capital to further expand and grow our marketplace." | 15:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.usv.com/2013/04/science-exchange.php | 15:37 |
| kanzure | .title | 15:37 |
| yoleaux | Science Exchange - Union Square Ventures: A New York Venture Capital Fund Focused on Early Stage & Startup Investing | 15:37 |
| kanzure | saurik: it might sound pedantic, but maybe including a timeline (as a list) in your article would help clear things up. | 15:48 |
| saurik | kanzure: I can see that. I really wanted the focus of the article to be on technical things, however, rather than just a direct rebuttle of complaints | 15:50 |
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| kanzure | "Secondly, they should provide some way for the user to feel confident in a given situation that the device could not possibly be recording: a really great suggestion that a friend of mine had is that the camera could have a little sliding plastic shield. (This also addresses the privacy concerns many have about a future where large numbers of people have Glass: this makes it clear "I'm not recording right now".)" | 15:55 |
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| kanzure | hah "As long as engineers, advocates, and officers from Google make statements like these without carefully looking into the facts first, it will not be possible to have any kind of reasonable and informed discussion about this system. The doors that Google is attempting to open with Glass are simply too large, and the effects too wide-reaching, for these kinds of off-the-cuff statements to be allowed to dominate the discussion." | 15:56 |
| kanzure | "However, a more subtle issue is that, in a way, it also hacks into every device you interact with. It knows all your passwords, for example, as it can watch you type them. It even manages to monitor your usage of otherwise safe, old-fashioned technology: it watches you enter door codes, it takes pictures of your keys, and it records what you write using a pen and paper. Nothing is safe once your Glass has been hacked." | 15:57 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1102169 | 20:27 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Keyboard%20acoustic%20emanations%20revisited.pdf | 20:27 |
| kanzure | neat. | 20:27 |
| kanzure | "We present a novel attack taking as input a 10-minute sound recording of a user typing English text using a keyboard, and then recovering up to 96% of typed characters. There is no need for a labeled training recording. Moreover the recognizer bootstrapped this way can even recognize random text such as passwords." | 20:28 |
| brownies | well that is somewhat terrifying. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | i wonder if it is possible to type in such a way as to elude said software | 20:32 |
| kanzure | also i wonder if typing quickly enough prevents that from working | 20:33 |
| ParahSail1n | kbset dvorak | 20:33 |
| kanzure | heh | 20:33 |
| kanzure | dvorak wouldn't give any protection to that sorta attack | 20:37 |
| kanzure | plover might, since pressing multiple keys simultaneously might not produce the same sort of noise | 20:38 |
| kanzure | unless they are recording from multiple locations | 20:38 |
| ParahSail1n | was this attack based on rhythm? | 20:39 |
| ParahSail1n | or stereo spatial triangulating | 20:39 |
| brownies | it sounds like your best bet would be to have terrible, terrible spelling | 20:40 |
| kanzure | you think rhythm could work?? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i was expecting something like "uniquely identifying each key with a different signature based off of either hand positioning or how the keyboard is constructed" | 20:41 |
| kanzure | e.g. striking a key from a slightly different direction produces a different sound | 20:42 |
| brownies | i'm guessing there's a tangible difference in the delta T between each keystroke based on the distance the finger has to travel? | 20:42 |
| ParahSail1n | rhythm could provide some information | 20:42 |
| * brownies goes off to just read the fucking paper | 20:42 | |
| ParahSail1n | might be difficult based on rhythm alone | 20:42 |
| kanzure | well, finger travel distance isn't reliable because assholes like seanwrona just move their wrists instead of fingers | 20:42 |
| brownies | "One can first cluster (using unsupervised methods) keystrokes into a number of classes based on their | 20:44 |
| brownies | sound. Given sufficient (unlabeled) training samples, a most-likely | 20:44 |
| brownies | fuck. sorry. | 20:44 |
| brownies | mapping between these classes and actual typed characters can be | 20:44 |
| brownies | established using the language constraints" | 20:44 |
| kanzure | huh? but they claimed random passwords | 20:44 |
| brownies | i do think this is a very very impressive attack | 20:45 |
| brownies | kanzure: they need 10 minutes of you typing English first | 20:45 |
| brownies | once it is trained in this fashion, it can recognize random passwords. | 20:45 |
| kanzure | but they claimed "There is no need for a labeled training recording." | 20:46 |
| brownies | zomg | 20:47 |
| brownies | just go read the damn thing | 20:47 |
| kanzure | so which is it :( | 20:47 |
| brownies | the recording does not have to be labeled, but it does have to be English words | 20:48 |
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| ryankarason | anyone here know anything about building a machine for dna-squencing for dna barcoding? | 22:26 |
| kanzure | dna barcoding is just another way of saying sequencing. | 22:29 |
| kanzure | but yes. | 22:29 |
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