2013-05-05.log

--- Log opened Sun May 05 00:00:17 2013
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kanzureielo: yes?00:24
kanzurei hope the teslas have auto-leveling windows00:24
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@kanzureyashgaroth: sup09:55
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yashgarothmeh09:55
@kanzuresivoais: yo fix your connection09:55
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@kanzureyashgaroth: do you want to join ParahSailin on some hopeless antibody quest? could be any antibody, then sell over bitcoin.09:56
yashgarothsure, sounds fun09:56
@kanzuredo you have any favorites?09:56
@kanzurecostly favorites, ideally09:57
yashgaroththey all are, hmm09:57
yashgarothTNFa inhibitors are always popular, anti-inflammatory in general really09:58
@kanzurewhat would a copy take?10:02
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yashgarothyou can get the backbone heavy chain sequence anywhere, if it's monoclonal then you just need the variable region sequence, can probably get that synthesized and splice it in10:04
@kanzureoh right, we should pick something from a patent or some shit10:04
yashgarothyup that's the one good thing about patents10:04
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@kanzureopenscad has a new site http://openscad.org/12:13
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@kanzuregithub collaborator analysis http://coyotebush.github.io/github-network-analysis/14:09
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@kanzurewhat was that "attach lots of accelerometers to your fingers/finger joints/knuckles/wrists" keyboard stuff?14:54
ParahSailineasily fooled http://lesswrong.com/lw/ub/competent_elites/15:10
@kanzurehttp://www.research.att.com/techdocs/TD_100756.pdf "This paper shows that the location of screen taps on modern smartphones and tablets can be identified from accelerometer and gyroscope readings."15:10
@kanzurewhat about crazier things like attaching microphones on all the fingers/joints, or running a current/signal between two digits (would that even work), or laser interference patterns..15:11
@kanzure"Steve Jurvetson talked fast and articulately, could follow long chains of reasoning, was familiar with a wide variety of technologies, and was happy to drag in analogies from outside sciences like biology—good ones, too."15:11
@kanzureyeah, jurvetson is worth meeting. he has lots of money and likes to fund technology-related companies and is not a stranger to singularity things.15:11
@kanzurebut being able to talk and listen to people isn't that hard of a skill15:11
ParahSailinthats what management consulting/ib hires for15:12
ParahSailintalking fast and the charisma of seeming smart15:12
@kanzureyeah but i mean, it's not hard to both actually know things and talk well15:13
@kanzurealso my experience is tinted by the fact that i just like the sound of my own voice :(15:13
@kanzure"This was the point at which I realized that my child prodigy license had officially completely expired." we revoked that decades ago dude.15:13
@kanzurehahah oh man "Now, admittedly, this was a closed conference run by people clueful enough to think "Let's invite Eliezer Yudkowsky"" yeah, clueful. or how about "bored".15:14
@kanzurewhy am i reading this15:15
ParahSailinsame reason you're in ##lesswrong?15:17
@kanzurehow about, whole hand reflectometry. you put your hands into a micromirror array chamber and you bounce photons around to measure the positions of fingers15:17
@kanzureno i guess that wont work, you would need too many photodiodes or something15:18
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ParahSailinuse a theremin as an input device15:18
@kanzure"It is named after the westernized name of its Russian inventor, Léon Theremin, who patented the device in 1928. The controlling section usually consists of two metal antennas which sense the position of the player's hands and control oscillators for frequency with one hand, and amplitude (volume) with the other, so it can be played without being touched. "15:19
@kanzurepfft15:19
chris_99it was designed to be an alarm system iirc15:19
ParahSailinto scare trespassers with spooky ghost sounds?15:19
chris_99haha15:19
superkuhThere was a guy using models of the finger's infrared light absorption to detect finger bends by shining IR down through the nail and imaging with a tiny CCD.15:20
chris_99this does finger tracking http://www.duo3d.com/about/kit15:21
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@kanzureduo3d doesn't seem like it would be able to get much performance out of it15:22
@kanzurei am doing roughly 12 to 15 characters per second and would like to at least double that or get an order of magnitude going on there15:22
@kanzuresuperkuh: so it was whole finger bending, or just the last joint?15:23
ParahSailinholding whole hand up and gesturing is gonna be exhausting15:23
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@kanzurei have never seen a speedy gesture interface15:24
ParahSailinexperiment: play that video without sound and see if it still seems "cool"15:24
superkuhJust whatever could be derived from compression and shifting in the tip. But it is hard to bend only one finger joint.15:24
ParahSailinresult: dork15:24
superkuhEr, maybe not so hard. Nevermind.15:24
@kanzurewhat about the motion capture people?15:28
@kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Temporal%20change%20in%20bimanual%20interkeypress%20intervals%20and%20self-reported%20symptoms%20during%20continuous%20typing.pdf15:30
ParahSailinwotd: favaginous http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/437088502/Plate_ice_machine_Evaporative_Plates.html?s=p15:30
ParahSailindisappointingly enough, no connection to vagina http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/favaginous15:31
@kanzurevtype did "fiberoptical curvature detection"15:35
@kanzurefingering only uses 5 accelerometers.. not sure that's enough to make it better than qwerty.15:38
@kanzure"samsung scurry" used gyroscopes on each finger. hrm.15:38
ParahSailinaccelerometers seems like it would work15:39
ParahSailini dont mind typing that much though15:39
@kanzureall of these projects were designed to be alternatives or reduced throughput. i want greater throughput, not less. so i think you need to capture even more data from fingers. not just which button was pressed.15:40
@kanzureeven something as simple as "pressing the same key with a different finger will give you a different key combination"15:40
@kanzuredunno.15:41
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@fenni'd thought about scraping google street view images and turning it into a movie, but it looks like someone has gone and done it first. i just didn't expect it would look so cool: http://vimeo.com/6365387320:43
@kanzurei think the music helps20:53
@fenni've seen animated gifs like this where people walk across a city taking pictures of some distant landmark, then they loop it forward and backward so it's like you're being flung about on a mile long rubber band20:55
@fennhttp://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/07/incredible-vertigo-inducing-animations-of-san-francisco/20:56
@fennthey must have plotted out the course to walk first and followed a GPS route20:57
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@fenn"attach lots of accelerometers to your fingers" = http://www.sigchi.org/chi97/proceedings/paper/fkm.htm21:38
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@fennah finally some positive forward-looking biotech concepts http://www.samehat.com/2010/05/back-in-business-shintaro-kago-daily.html22:16
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