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| @kanzure | cool, a legitimately alright article on lesswrong http://lesswrong.com/lw/z0/the_pascals_wager_fallacy_fallacy/ | 00:58 |
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| @kanzure | random_dude: hi | 09:49 |
| random_dude | kanzure: yes | 09:52 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you mining bitcoins? | 10:10 |
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| @kanzure | no | 10:16 |
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| @kanzure | "For that matter, people on Death Row might sell you their DNA for cigarette money." | 10:18 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you're looking for cheap public open DNA data sources? | 10:21 |
| delinquentme | also do you know who is currently shipping bitcoin miners? | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | no, it' just a curious idea. | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | no, go ask the butterflyface people or whoever. | 10:21 |
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| @kanzure | hah diybio is getting lamer by the minute. yesterday it was "you can't perform science without academic credentials" and today it's "you can't do biology without licenses".. why are these people even involved in diybio projects if they don't actually agree with the concept of not caring about those things. | 10:23 |
| bkero | to submarine it | 10:24 |
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| @kanzure | i think submarine attacks have to be more subtle | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | right? | 10:25 |
| ParahSailin | licenses now? | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: ". You need to get licensed to hold human cells, you need all the paperwork to prove that the people the samples came from consented to every possible thing you might do with them (as does anyone who gets those samples from you) and god help you if someone sends in DNA that's not their own." | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | "Avoid human genetic testing unless you're prepared for an ethical minefield; | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | you can be on the hook for telling someone a truth they didn't want to hear. | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | Even worse is when you learn something that you're not sure they do or do not | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | want to hear, and even presenting the choice to them after the fact might be | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | "distressing", and grounds for a legal case." | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | yawn.. | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | i wish everything wasn't so disappointing. | 10:26 |
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| bkero | citation needed for an actual conviction for distressing someone in this manner | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | also, i can't figure out what this guy is talking about: | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/openyou/emokit/commit/b023a3c195410147dae44a3ce3a6d72f7c16e441#commitcomment-3170140 | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | "What I mean is: ord(data[31]) >> 4 means the the top 4 bits in the byte are the 4 low bits of gyroX we are looking for: XXXX____." | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | he is talking about the top 4 bits, but then is talking about the lower 4 bits.. i don't understand which one he is talking about. | 10:28 |
| ielo | kanzure, how are you | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | ielo: who are you? | 10:28 |
| ielo | im just a random, i come here and mostly lurk for about 3 years, i read the things you say on this channel | 10:29 |
| ielo | i used to use the nick lumos | 10:29 |
| ParahSailin | didnt know the arsenic in rice came from arsenic in the manure of livestock fed arsenic | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | i remember lumos was in here on 2011-06-25 writing lots of spam | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | an elephant never forgets | 10:30 |
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| ielo | kanzure did you check logs | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | no | 10:31 |
| ielo | or do you really remember that | 10:31 |
| ielo | wow | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | i stalk all spammers | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | i have an intricate stalking system | 10:31 |
| ielo | what was i spamming | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | at the moment it has 65,997 entries | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | oh, i don't actually care about that. i just know that i don't like you. | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | and something about ngrams | 10:32 |
| ielo | so you dislike me because i spammed once | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | yep | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | that is a very accurate statement | 10:33 |
| ielo | thats kind of extreme | 10:33 |
| ielo | i mean maybe i was spamming because i was anxious | 10:33 |
| ielo | or because i needed help | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | also because that conversation with fenn looked more like you bugging him; i have no idea what that was about. | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | but in general you shouldn't assume that people will just not remember things | 10:34 |
| @kanzure | oh wait that guy means 0x0F not 0xFF | 10:34 |
| @kanzure | that makes way more sense | 10:34 |
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| ParahSailin | lol http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-06-25.log | 10:59 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: ah i didn't even bother to check | 11:03 |
| @kanzure | fenn: who is that | 11:03 |
| ParahSailin | you remembered the date he said something without checking logs? | 11:03 |
| delinquentme | i find it hard to believe we dont have crazy bitcoin kids here | 11:04 |
| ParahSailin | there's a channel on this network for bitcoin i think, but i can't think of what it might be called | 11:05 |
| ParahSailin | #notbitcoin perhaps? | 11:05 |
| ParahSailin | no, that's not right, maybe #bitcoin | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: they are all in #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | crazy bitcoin people are pretty lame; they all the same ideas. "ASICS!!!" | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | except they can't design sha-computing asics worth a damn. | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | *they all have the same ideas | 11:07 |
| ParahSailin | hey, its not like you need more than one person who can design an asic | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | sure you do | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | plus, your design can change significantly depending on what you are trying to do | 11:07 |
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| ParahSailin | you need as many people as you have millions of dollars to commission an asic run on a foundry | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | i.e.. cards that go into pci slots? something that goes on a custom power supply? | 11:08 |
| @kanzure | no you don't need millions to do foundry runs for asics -_- | 11:08 |
| @kanzure | you need about $3k | 11:08 |
| @kanzure | wtf? | 11:08 |
| ParahSailin | 5um process maybe | 11:08 |
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| @kanzure | http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/ | 11:10 |
| ParahSailin | yeah im looking on there | 11:11 |
| @kanzure | 130nm | 11:11 |
| @kanzure | oh and smaller | 11:11 |
| @kanzure | why are they using "mic" to mean "micron" wtf | 11:12 |
| @kanzure | they use "nm" for "nanometer" | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | OOO kanzure so this is a page talking about the fab which we can handle? | 11:14 |
| delinquentme | derp I mean costs and feature sizes? | 11:14 |
| delinquentme | I wonder what simple cell manipulations could be handled on-chip | 11:14 |
| ParahSailin | their actual runs came out on the order of millions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95762.0 | 11:17 |
| @kanzure | oh, the butterflymonster people? yeah probably. | 11:18 |
| ParahSailin | stuff isnt cheap | 11:19 |
| ParahSailin | speculation on gate count https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108243.0 | 11:20 |
| ParahSailin | talkign 100 mm^2 dies | 11:21 |
| ParahSailin | what is your spam stalking system? | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ | 11:30 |
| ParahSailin | ah, i remember meetlog | 11:31 |
| @kanzure | eventually i will do a writeup of various types of results from this data | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | i would say that the biggest value i regularly get out of it is detecting people that show up "once in a while", like someone from 2009 that talked with me about a particular subject only saying hello 4 years later, it's really handy. | 11:33 |
| ParahSailin | how do you have it implemented | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | giant yaml files then lots of python to dump the data into sqlite for querying | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | yaml files are under version control | 11:37 |
| ParahSailin | i mean what interface, you have desktop and mobile apps, or is it web based | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | i used to have a gmail plugin, android app, and pidgin (im) plugin, but versions change and compatibility broke and i just stopped caring | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | so i just put in entries by hand | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | as in, i write yaml- mostly this means tags (what was talked about), comments/notes, names/identities/ip addresses/email addresses/phone numbers, how long (especially if it was a phone call) | 11:40 |
| @kanzure | sometimes i include links that were exchanged or relevant, but i sort of don't because i already have a bookmarking system anyway... | 11:41 |
| ParahSailin | i think i need a better "bookmarking" system | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | pinboard.in is supposed to be okay | 11:43 |
| ParahSailin | what do you use? | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | flat files | 11:43 |
| ParahSailin | tags and such per url? | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | i used to use firefox's html format, then opera's bookmarking system until the file got corrupted (it was multiple megabytes and i guess it had a bug maybe), then i switched to not caring, then flat files and sprinkling url.txt files around on my hard drive to indicate where i got these files from. | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | not even tags | 11:44 |
| ParahSailin | taxonomy and titles per url? | 11:45 |
| @kanzure | yeah there was an elaborate taxonomy. i think i stole most of it from superkuh. | 11:45 |
| @kanzure | which is ironic because superkuh lost everything in the raid and asked for a copy. | 11:45 |
| * superkuh nods. | 11:46 | |
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| superkuh | I was very grateful for the backup. | 11:46 |
| @kanzure | bookmarking sucks | 11:46 |
| ParahSailin | you were probably faster than me getting to that cmp asic page, because my route getting to there was the google query to get to the stackoverflow page that i originally found the page through | 11:47 |
| ParahSailin | i need a better system, but havent really gotten around to it, because i never seem to have a year to year stable machine | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | the other problem with bookmarking is that pages go poof, so i was thinking (a few years ago) to just run everything through squid proxy to cache pages | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | historio.us is supposed to do that, but it's really not built for people who have more than 10,000 bookmarks | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | i think something like pinboard.in plus local backups plus local clients would possibly work, especially if i can add bookmarks from my shell with tags without having to mouse some gui things or load new web pages | 11:50 |
| @kanzure | the problem with firefox's bookmark manager was that after a few thousand bookmarks it would become unbearably slow to search through | 11:50 |
| superkuh | Opera's bookmark system simply fails after 10k. | 11:53 |
| superkuh | The entire browser becomes unusable. | 11:53 |
| ParahSailin | heh | 11:53 |
| bkero | kanzure: You're hitting the limits of sqlite. | 11:53 |
| bkero | You might have luck transitioning to a real database or use PICL. | 11:53 |
| ParahSailin | that can't be the limits of sqlite | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | bkero: that might have been before firefox was using sqlite for bookmarks | 11:54 |
| ParahSailin | i've done ncbi taxonomy database on sqlite | 11:54 |
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| @kanzure | also something that could be used in multiple browsers or from a phone would be nice, in case i have a lapse of judgement and want to use a different client | 12:15 |
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| delinquentme | so for DNA nanomachine | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | like sequence based ones | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | we're putting in novel DNA ... the organisms is going to begin expressing that modification | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | and the the "nanomachinery" part | 12:21 |
| delinquentme | is handled strictly in translation | 12:21 |
| delinquentme | JAR?! | 12:21 |
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| delinquentme | also does anyone have a solid replacement for google reader? | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | rss2email. kongregate. | 12:22 |
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| superkuh | I use RSSOwl. | 12:24 |
| delinquentme | url on kongregate? ... search is useless | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | sudo apt-get install kongregate | 12:24 |
| ParahSailin | kongregate sounds like kde something | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | yep | 12:24 |
| delinquentme | figuring out ways to amp brain power / spread is a real thing | 12:27 |
| delinquentme | I think im starting to get the idea behind the CEO thing | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | bc really I just want something that I can add more RSS feeds to which allowe me to read them on this android app press | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | "CEO thing" ? | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | yeah like the value that they can provide is best in managing people | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | it (might ) be trending to less | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | but like managing people effffff | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | thick shit | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | you are not completing your sentences again | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | anyways I gotta relocate ... kanzure chat later on the hello world of dna nanofolding :P? | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | take some time to type out what you actually mean to say | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I mean to say that in noticing the need to amplify the spread of ones mental computational power ... its really awesome to pawn tasks off on other people | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | but we were talking about rss | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | but I wonder about that trend when code / computation / some shit like NN is incorporated | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | :P | 12:31 |
| ParahSailin | what can we task delinquentme to do | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | yeah its what spurred the discussion :D | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, I wanna transfect and make purple moss | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | how do | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | ohhh damn. | 12:32 |
| ParahSailin | no thats not your task | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | a dogs pissing on my bike. | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | OK TOODULS! | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | off to feed le flesh boat | 12:33 |
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| ParahSailin | off his meds i guess | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | i have no idea what that guy is talking about | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | ceo of dna nano rss folding | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | "In addition to the free features listed above, Pinboard offers a bookmark archiving service for an annual fee of $25. The site will crawl and store a copy of every bookmark in your account, and display a special icon you can click to see the cached copy:" | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | hmmm. | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | this seems to only do searching https://github.com/badboy/pinboard-cli | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | ah i guess i could write a suitable tool around https://github.com/mgan59/python-pinboard/blob/master/pinboard.py | 12:43 |
| brownies | what are you trying to do kanzure? | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | but "You can set up Pinboard to automatically sync your links from a number of outside services, including Pocket, Delicious, Twitter, Readability and Instapaper." why not just sync to my browser? | 12:43 |
| superkuh | Create a local cache/mirror of bookmarks. | 12:43 |
| superkuh | (+he is trying to) | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | i'm okay with using a third-party service as long as it also stores a local copy. also i don't understand why it wouldn't have a hook into firefox or chrome or whatever. | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_Sync | 12:44 |
| brownies | sync to your browser? | 12:45 |
| brownies | they have a bookmarklet, if that's what you mean | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | no. that is not syncing. | 12:45 |
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| @kanzure | i suppose browser sync isn't that important. i really just need a shell command. | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | ideally the command line syntax would be something like "url https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Firefox_Sync mozilla firefox firefox-sync documentation mdn bookmarking" | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | and then it would fetch a copy and get the <title> or <meta name="description"> | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | oh also it should be able to detect a taxonomy like "url http://.... mozilla firefox firefox-sync browsers.firefox.sync" so that i don't have to manually bookmark multiple times into different categories (because, to be honest, i don't completely trust tagging) | 12:49 |
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| @kanzure | 12:33 <delinquentme> hey just realized i dont have your ... if you want me to have your contact info :P | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | erm.. i edited that wrong | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | 12:33 <delinquentme> hey just realized i dont have your #... if you want me to have your contact info :P | 13:09 |
| @kanzure | how is that possible. it's on every one of my emails for the past 9 years. | 13:09 |
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| ParahSailin | i think delinquent's credit for a single useful act has run dry | 13:24 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96/pdf/0004-637X_769_2_96.pdf | 14:32 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/50bdf6f975a24991460e893c1c6c25ba.txt | 14:32 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96 | 14:33 |
| paperbot | HTTP 403 http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96/pdf/0004-637X_769_2_96.pdf | 14:33 |
| @kanzure | hmph. | 14:33 |
| superkuh | It was on axiv anyway. | 14:36 |
| superkuh | Er, arxiv. | 14:36 |
| superkuh | I forgot to check. | 14:36 |
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| ParahSail1n | interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22355515 | 18:06 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/24/1301474110.abstract | 18:06 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ash%20from%20the%20Toba%20supereruption%20in%20Lake%20Malawi%20shows%20no%20volcanic%20winter%20in%20East%20Africa%20at%2075%20ka.pdf | 18:06 |
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| @kanzure | heh two-factor authentication phishing attacks | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/167719/whyfromnigeria.pdf | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.html assange/schmidt interview | 18:38 |
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| ParahSail1n | jmil, you do any molecular work? | 19:15 |
| jmil | sure, what kind you looking for? i also do hydrogel molecular engineering | 19:15 |
| ParahSail1n | is a nanodrop going to be part of your startup grant equipment spending? | 19:16 |
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| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Determine_Quantity.cfm?nber_id=w18992 | 20:05 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f89618126a0b44f2116d90403e300ddc.txt | 20:05 |
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| klafka | man i wonder how much longer till good cheap 3d printers become available | 21:08 |
| klafka | do they have neon filament colors yet | 21:10 |
| klafka | or uv reactive ones | 21:10 |
| klafka | yes there is | 21:13 |
| klafka | awesome | 21:13 |
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| pasky | klafka: alternatively, how long till cheap 3d printers become good ;) | 21:42 |
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| klafka | well you could say there are no cheap 3d printers | 21:42 |
| pasky | so what's cheap? | 21:42 |
| klafka | 100 bucks! | 21:44 |
| bkero | You could make one for 100 bucks | 21:45 |
| bkero | if you put effort into it | 21:45 |
| bkero | 3d printed parts are ~ $40 in material if you find someone generous enough to print some for you, then $60 in electronics/non-printable hardware | 21:46 |
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