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nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n3/abs/nphys1513.html | 05:06 |
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paperbot | HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n3/pdf/nphys1513.pdf | 05:06 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/22/8/085008/article | 05:09 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Fabrication%20of%20micro%20pneumatic%20valves%20with%20double-layer%20elastic%20poly%28dimethylsiloxane%29%20membranes%20in%20rigid%20poly%28methyl%20methacrylate%29%20microfluidic%20chips.pdf | 05:09 |
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JayDugger | Good morning, paperbot. | 05:47 |
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SphericalMouse | nmz787 | 07:42 |
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heath | morning JayDugger | 09:42 |
Urchin[emacs] | nanoengineer is hosted on sourceforge, right? | 09:47 |
Urchin[emacs] | wait | 09:49 |
Urchin[emacs] | found it | 09:49 |
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kanzure | Urchin[emacs]: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer | 12:36 |
kanzure | not sourceforge | 12:37 |
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Urchin[emacs] | I figgured it out a while ago | 12:42 |
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kanzure | mailman archive viewer https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty | 13:26 |
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kanzure | interesting use of phantomjs to show which css rules are applying where http://css.benjaminbenben.com/v1?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com | 13:55 |
kanzure | http://benjaminbenben.com/2013/05/09/wtcss/ | 13:57 |
kanzure | https://gist.github.com/benfoxall/5647039 "// Client script to find all the styles of a page and compute the position of the matching elements" | 13:59 |
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Adifex | hm. could help debugging sites for IE, curse microsoft | 14:04 |
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SphericalMouse | toot toot | 14:16 |
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nmz787 | :( | 14:27 |
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SPhericalMouse | yes? | 14:29 |
nmz787 | hey | 14:35 |
nmz787 | "Do you mean what the pressure would be directly under the valve in the fluid channels?" | 14:35 |
nmz787 | yes | 14:36 |
nmz787 | you said 15-25 PSID, so I imagine that measurement is taken at some pressure gauge at the end of a pneumatic control line | 14:36 |
SPhericalMouse | so you're basically asking how hard somthing laying in the channel would be pressed on by the valve membrane? | 14:36 |
nmz787 | yeah | 14:37 |
SPhericalMouse | yes, 15-25 is what the regulator is set to, but because the valve system is dead ended, the whole thing reaches that pressure | 14:37 |
nmz787 | but I guess it might be 15-25 as well | 14:37 |
SPhericalMouse | the valve will provide some back force. if you slowly turn up the pressure from zero, you won't see valve operation till some point | 14:38 |
nmz787 | have you seen or think it would work to just push a 0.5 t 1 mm rod on the channel? | 14:38 |
nmz787 | 0.5 to 1mm | 14:38 |
SPhericalMouse | also, the fluid lines may be driven at 1-10 PSI, so you sometimes have to increase the valve pressure to compensate | 14:38 |
nmz787 | otherwise i was thinking connecting a small piston to a small solenoid, and have one of them per valve | 14:39 |
SPhericalMouse | it depends, that has been suggested a fair numer of times, but it depends what you are trying to do | 14:39 |
nmz787 | the piston acting to compress the air in the pneumatic line | 14:39 |
SPhericalMouse | so, the pneumatic line actually has water in it | 14:39 |
fenn | also known as a hydraulic line! | 14:40 |
nmz787 | ahh | 14:40 |
SPhericalMouse | air will basically leak through the pdms and inject bubbles into the flow lines | 14:40 |
nmz787 | hmm | 14:40 |
SPhericalMouse | really annoying | 14:40 |
SPhericalMouse | the flipside is that it makes filling the control lines with water fairly simple | 14:40 |
nmz787 | i assume you can use any fluidi that won't swell the PDMS | 14:40 |
SPhericalMouse | probably. water works fine | 14:41 |
nmz787 | like DNA synthesis doesn't like water | 14:41 |
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nmz787 | and since water will permeate through PDMS | 14:41 |
nmz787 | ... | 14:41 |
SPhericalMouse | maybe., not sure the flow rate though | 14:42 |
nmz787 | kanzure: where can I go to chat about JTAG intefaces and poking at unknown devices through JTAG? | 14:42 |
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SPhericalMouse | i'm pretty sure dna synthesis in pdms has been done, so look up what they did | 14:42 |
nmz787 | yeah | 14:42 |
nmz787 | i've got a few papers with their recipes | 14:43 |
SPhericalMouse | i would avoid the direct piston valve if possible | 14:43 |
nmz787 | why> | 14:43 |
nmz787 | seems like it could be the cheapest route per valve | 14:43 |
SPhericalMouse | alignment and visibility and size | 14:43 |
SPhericalMouse | maybe, but it isn't scalable to a large number of valves | 14:43 |
nmz787 | oh, I thought you meant hydraulic piston | 14:43 |
SPhericalMouse | i'm talking about any off chip system that pokes down and closes a channel | 14:44 |
nmz787 | basically I figure I only need high/low settings, so the exact pressure hydraulic piston to hydraulic piston wouldn't matter, my thinking is that the different solenoids wouldn't be calibrated relative to one another | 14:44 |
nmz787 | though calibrating them might not be so hard | 14:45 |
nmz787 | i imagine it would produce current vs pressure | 14:45 |
nmz787 | hmm, but then the length of the control line would be variable | 14:46 |
nmz787 | so different amounts of current would be required for the same pressure | 14:46 |
nmz787 | have you ever seen people calibrate things with droplet makers? | 14:46 |
SPhericalMouse | no | 14:46 |
nmz787 | and checking the size or distance between droplets? | 14:46 |
fenn | you will get the same pressure regardless of line length, since the area of the piston remains constant | 14:47 |
fenn | line length mainly manifests itself as flow resistance | 14:47 |
nmz787 | fenn: but won't the distance the solenoid pushes need to be longer? | 14:47 |
nmz787 | hmm | 14:47 |
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fenn | also line elasticity | 14:48 |
SPhericalMouse | i think it depends on the size of your channels, and how close you want your valves to be | 14:49 |
SPhericalMouse | and how many valves you want | 14:49 |
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nmz787 | you mean running multiple valves off of one control line? | 14:50 |
SPhericalMouse | thats part of it | 14:50 |
nmz787 | theres a company that is trying to sell this bubble forming technology to cell phone screen suppliers | 14:52 |
SPhericalMouse | often valve placement is critical. for example if you have a t junctions, you may want a valve on each line, often with the valve right up against the intersection to limit dead/slow volumes | 14:52 |
fenn | in the case of multiple valves, your actuator piston will have a larger area and thus the pressure needs to be higher to achieve the same force per valve | 14:52 |
nmz787 | basically there's some pneumatic logic that they can pump air into an addressable location | 14:52 |
fenn | erm. i said that wrong. the flow needs to be higher | 14:53 |
fenn | is it addressable? i thought they just made bumps so you could feel where the buttons are | 14:54 |
fenn | not a true tactile interface, just a button-raiser | 14:54 |
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nmz787 | yeah, bu tthey could raise them seelctably | 14:55 |
nmz787 | they didn't sense a button press if that's what you mean | 14:55 |
fenn | i mean they either raise all the buttons or none of the buttons | 14:55 |
nmz787 | that was still the capacitive layer did | 14:55 |
nmz787 | that's not what the product note seemed to make me think | 14:56 |
fenn | well anyway, demuxing is entirely possible in microfluidics | 14:56 |
nmz787 | i thought latching has a bleed down time | 15:00 |
nmz787 | or rather, i thought that would be a limitation | 15:00 |
nmz787 | http://www.tactustechnology.com/technology.html | 15:01 |
nmz787 | so if their tech is 'custom' and not addressable, I wonder how they're pumping the air anyway | 15:01 |
nmz787 | "Minimal power consumption" | 15:01 |
fenn | "Flickr are now offering 1 terabyte of free storage to all users... and it gave me pause for thought that it is only 9 years since GMail was launched (actually only 6 since the general public could sign up) and one of its big main selling points, which I remember being very impressed by at the time, was 1 gigabyte of free online space. Easy to be blasé about stuff like that, but for me it's | 15:28 |
fenn | another singularity indicator (TM)" | 15:28 |
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fenn | am i the only one who thinks "driverless car" sounds like "horseless carriage"? | 16:49 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/lc/c3lc40991k | 16:53 |
paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Label-free%20biodetection%20using%20a%20smartphone.pdf | 16:53 |
nmz787 | fenn: but the horse didn't drive the carriage, there was still the driver | 16:53 |
nmz787 | or coachmen or whatever | 16:53 |
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kanzure | nmz787: ##electronics has JTAG-knowing people, i guess | 17:18 |
fenn | I checked my University quota. It's 20 gigabytes. According to amazon, a 3 TB hard drive costs 194 USD. That means the school is providing me with about 1.30 USD in storage. | 17:19 |
kanzure | yes, online storage is extremely behind | 17:20 |
kanzure | supposedly this is because providers (like dropbox, amazon aws s3, etc.) are making sure they have redundancy, backups and mirrors of your data | 17:21 |
fenn | i think it's more about the cost of the bandwidth | 17:21 |
kanzure | if that was true, they would let you just ship hard drives in for free, and they don't | 17:21 |
fenn | or bandwidth*time, however you say that | 17:21 |
fenn | how much does amazon charge per TB? | 17:22 |
kanzure | http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html | 17:23 |
kanzure | choose "S3" on the left | 17:23 |
kanzure | $94.53/TB-month | 17:23 |
kanzure | erm, i was using 1000 GB. for 1024 GB it's $96.81/TB-month. | 17:23 |
fenn | hm that's like buying a new hard drive every month | 17:24 |
kanzure | yes | 17:24 |
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nmz787 | i just saw a 1 TB for $60 or $65 | 17:41 |
nmz787 | drive | 17:41 |
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heath | paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2003/LC/b301410j | 18:45 |
paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20plug%20and%20play%20microfluidic%20device.pdf | 18:45 |
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kanzure | "After the first push, it can take up to ten minutes before the content is available." damn it, github.. | 19:03 |
juri_ | you know, its less than a minute on gitorious. ;) | 19:23 |
kanzure | the project doesn't use gitorious for their domain name | 19:24 |
kanzure | i don't see how that's helpful | 19:24 |
juri_ | using github to manage domain names? | 19:25 |
kanzure | that's what ariya is doing | 19:26 |
juri_ | ok, thats strange. hadn't heard of that. | 19:35 |
kanzure | gh-pages. | 19:42 |
kanzure | http://pages.github.com/ | 19:42 |
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kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_of_anonymity | 23:41 |
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