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| superkuh | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0257-0 | 00:17 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0257-0.pdf | 00:18 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9ce0fab3b69c944b8f3b9ce5309630f.txt | 00:18 |
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| a3nm | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=6337111 | 03:20 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2963801b326ce6b0e40f7b9a3eaa309a.txt | 03:20 |
| a3nm | paperbot: http://doi.ieeecomputersociety.org/10.1109/ICSC.2012.63 | 03:20 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/533f464eb21beb97fb5ba4c85230073f.txt | 03:21 |
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| archels | http://www.kokes.net/projectlonghaul/projectlonghaul.htm | 06:25 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/pdf/10.1201/b14859-9 | 08:43 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/48cdc46b1a935de62f72b95bb02ebdd7.txt | 08:44 |
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| xablor | ...um. Huh. | 09:29 |
| xablor | 'lo everyone. | 09:29 |
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| kanzure | xablor: yes? | 10:00 |
| xablor | Forgot I'd automated rejoining the room when my client reconnects. | 10:00 |
| xablor | Thought I'd at least be social about it. ;) | 10:01 |
| kanzure | time for my daily dosage of lee.. http://phys.org/news/2013-05-lee-smolin-universe-video.html | 10:08 |
| kanzure | (i don't know why i bother, it's not like i'm going to actually read his loop quantum gravity papers today.) | 10:09 |
| xablor | ...I think I actually had all the cluefulness of my existing clues diminished by that phrase. o.o | 10:12 |
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| xablor | So I am pondering. | 10:16 |
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| xablor | If I'm working on getting a piece of software up and running that might turn into a startup, but am currently working solo, how much of these dev practices do I need? | 10:17 |
| xablor | Continuous integration, frex, appears to be purely useful to teams. | 10:17 |
| xablor | Automated testing appears to be useful to all situations, as does source control. | 10:18 |
| kanzure | continuous integration is useful because you are lazy | 10:19 |
| kanzure | and it also forces you to make your environments more repeatable | 10:19 |
| brownies | frex? | 10:20 |
| brownies | anyway, you just want to automate things... and automation is arguably more important if you don't have manpower to throw at problems repeatedly | 10:21 |
| xablor | This is an excellent point raht heah. | 10:21 |
| xablor | Re: automation, I mean. | 10:23 |
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| xablor | Huh. Cute idea. | 10:37 |
| xablor | Make a soundscape to represent your project status. | 10:37 |
| kanzure | it would always end up being the emperor's theme. | 10:37 |
| kanzure | death and gloom. | 10:37 |
| xablor | Crickets for network traffic, birds for email, etc. | 10:38 |
| xablor | Sounds distracting as hell to me, but I admit it's a /cute/ idea. | 10:38 |
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| kanzure | phillyj: hi. | 11:11 |
| phillyj | kanzure: are you running a script welcoming new log ins? | 11:17 |
| kanzure | no | 11:18 |
| kanzure | i am just being friendly | 11:18 |
| kanzure | also it's because i know your joins are deliberate, because you don't hang around often. | 11:18 |
| kanzure | and i sort of want you to hang around more often | 11:18 |
| phillyj | just watching; i'm on #ubuntu so I thought I would auto-join h+ to see what's goin on | 11:19 |
| phillyj | kanzure: are you still director of the h+ foundation or something like that? | 11:20 |
| kanzure | no, i'm no longer associated with them. | 11:21 |
| phillyj | i think you said you were making smartphone apps last time; still doing that stuff? | 11:24 |
| kanzure | uh, sort of. i have many projects. yes, one of them currently involves a mobile app, i suppose. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | why do you ask? | 11:25 |
| phillyj | just wondering what you're up to | 11:25 |
| phillyj | any diybio related projects? | 11:25 |
| kanzure | here are some relevant things i have been up to: https://github.com/kanzure?tab=repositories | 11:26 |
| kanzure | i guess nmz787 bugs me often about dna synthesis, does that count? | 11:26 |
| phillyj | ah, yes, you did do alot of work on the pdfparanoia stuff | 11:27 |
| phillyj | kanzure: so what brings in the dough? contract work? freelance programming? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | yep, lots of contracting. i never do freelancing because people pay freelancers less. | 11:31 |
| kanzure | (it's something about the word itself) | 11:32 |
| phillyj | cool; my friend and I have been thinking about doing work related to "big data" | 11:33 |
| kanzure | sounds vague. | 11:33 |
| phillyj | if we ever get anywhere... | 11:33 |
| kanzure | you should consider not using buzzwords like that. | 11:33 |
| phillyj | vauge on purpose | 11:33 |
| kanzure | maybe for marketing. but practically speaking, just learn your tools and know your math. pig, hive, riak, other mapreduce things, etc. | 11:33 |
| phillyj | what are those acronyms? | 11:34 |
| kanzure | they are not acronyms. they are tools. | 11:34 |
| phillyj | hmm | 11:35 |
| phillyj | ok, well, we haven't really come up with anything yet | 11:35 |
| kanzure | these are tools you would be using for "big data" reasons. | 11:35 |
| phillyj | he might be familiar with them since he's the data scientist | 11:35 |
| xablor | I'm the epitome of nublet, here, but oughtn't you be finding a problem to solve and then deciding how best to go about solving it? | 11:36 |
| xablor | And then profiting if other people want it solved for them as well? | 11:36 |
| phillyj | my goal is to figure out how to make data meaningful | 11:36 |
| kanzure | xablor: nope. in consulting land, often you find a client and then propose a solution. | 11:36 |
| kanzure | xablor: but the reality is that most "big data" tasks are going to center around some common motifs that tools will solve. | 11:36 |
| xablor | Okay, fair. Not my gig, so thanks. | 11:36 |
| kanzure | phillyj: that's really vague. | 11:37 |
| phillyj | kanzure: yea, I'm trying to narrow it but I not really sure what the people want | 11:37 |
| phillyj | or as Jobs would say "the people don't know what they want" so I have to make something | 11:38 |
| kanzure | don't think of your clients as stupid. that's a disaster waiting to happen. | 11:39 |
| phillyj | lol | 11:39 |
| phillyj | its really hard thinking up business ideas | 11:39 |
| kanzure | i have a pile of ideas that i don't have time to work on | 11:39 |
| kanzure | i would be really happy if you would take one so that i don't have to be anxious about it not existing | 11:40 |
| phillyj | you got a github of those ideas? | 11:40 |
| kanzure | no, it's not in a git repository and it's not on github. | 11:40 |
| phillyj | you know, there should be a place where people post "ideas" for other people to develop | 11:41 |
| kanzure | halfbakery | 11:41 |
| xablor | The halfbaker - damn. | 11:41 |
| kanzure | xablor: you will not win against me on typing speed, http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 11:42 |
| xablor | Congrats? | 11:42 |
| kanzure | overkill i guess. but don't feel bad. | 11:42 |
| phillyj | wow; another way to waste my time | 11:43 |
| phillyj | let me check out this racing | 11:43 |
| xablor | Honestly my WPM's never been the same since I forced myself to retrain on dvorak. | 11:44 |
| xablor | I mean it wasn't stellar before, but. | 11:44 |
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| kanzure | dvorak isn't going to significantly help. plover might, but i'm not convinced. | 11:45 |
| xablor | Yeah, I read the right docs there about 2/3 through the learning curve. | 11:45 |
| xablor | At this point it's mostly just wanting to avoid re-re-training. | 11:45 |
| xablor | And/or stubborness. | 11:45 |
| xablor | Oh, hey, I'd wanted to do this. Good to see I'm not alone. | 11:46 |
| kanzure | wanted to do what? | 11:47 |
| xablor | Steno typing on a standard PC keyboard. | 11:47 |
| xablor | Though I'm not sure it's a viable approach or even useful for software dev, but eh. | 11:59 |
| xablor | ...further thinking says that code completion gets you 90% of the way there anyway. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | one of the steno developers did a video demonstrating his use of plover while writing source code. | 12:01 |
| xablor | Oh, cool, I'll have to put that in the queue. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | *one of the plover developers | 12:02 |
| xablor | And on the other other hand it seems like your programming being constrained by your typing speed is an indication of something probably being awry. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | nobody said it was the only constraint | 12:07 |
| xablor | Mm. True. I guess it's not minimizing a bottleneck in a pipeline so much as minimizing overhead in the programmer's OODA loop? | 12:08 |
| kanzure | what | 12:09 |
| xablor | Stuff. | 12:09 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:11 |
| strangewarp | Object Oriented Data Anger, I think | 12:56 |
| ParahSail1n | observe o decide act | 12:57 |
| ParahSail1n | orient | 12:57 |
| strangewarp | meh mine's more accurate | 12:58 |
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| kanzure | http://gowers.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/elsevier-journals-has-anything-changed/ | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "I am writing to inform you of my resignation from the editorial board of the Journal of Number Theory, effective immediately. I will also be adding my name publicly to the list of people who refrain from volunteering for, or submitting manscripts to, Elsevier journals." | 16:13 |
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| kanzure | "More recently, we were told of Elsevier’s new policy that editors would receive $60 for every article they process for the Journal of Number Theory. To me, this policy demonstrates a true inability (or unwillingness) to understand the key part of our observation that “all the work is done for free by volunteers, but access to that work is exorbitantly expensive”. We want access to be less expensive; we’re not looking for extra dough ... | 16:14 |
| kanzure | ... in our pockets. The most generous interpretation of this new policy’s effect is that it continues to take money away from the research community at large, but now puts some of it in the personal pockets of a small subset of mathematicians who don’t need it. (My personal reaction, to be honest, was to view this as too close to bribery not to be somewhat insulting.) But this policy uncontroversially shows, at least, the extent of ... | 16:14 |
| kanzure | ... Elsevier’s robust profits on its research journals." | 16:14 |
| kanzure | "Does this mean that I can submit scores of crank papers (or, if you like, papers that do not prove anything interesting/new) under a pseudonym to an editor, with whom I have an agreement to split the proceeds? Are they going to roll this system out to other journals? Sounds like the sort of system that led to Chaos, Solitons and Fractals having a massive impact factor to me." | 16:15 |
| brownies | eh? isn't a high impact factor good? | 16:15 |
| brownies | although it sounds Elsevier should have read some articles from a behavioral econ journal before enacting that policy | 16:15 |
| kanzure | that journal is notorious for being bogus | 16:15 |
| brownies | oh i see. | 16:15 |
| kanzure | there was a scandal that became well known | 16:16 |
| kanzure | so ideally such a journal would *not* have a high Impact Factor (tm) | 16:16 |
| brownies | right | 16:16 |
| kanzure | i believe Impact Factor is owned by ISI or something | 16:16 |
| brownies | then why does it? | 16:16 |
| brownies | oh, heh, really? | 16:16 |
| kanzure | uh.. or thomason.. or thomas.. or.. erm.. damn it. | 16:16 |
| brownies | i thought it was just a straightforward metric that anyone could compute | 16:16 |
| kanzure | no | 16:16 |
| brownies | that's fucked up | 16:16 |
| kanzure | theoretically you can calculate impact factor on your own.. if you had contracts with all the publishers to give you data. | 16:17 |
| kanzure | "The impact factor is used to compare different journals within a certain field. The ISI Web of Knowledge indexes more than 11,000 science and social science journals.[3]" | 16:17 |
| brownies | there ought to be some straightforward measurement of, you know, impact based on how often the article/journal is cited... perhaps time-weighted... and imo this ought to be trivial to do by hitting google scholar? | 16:17 |
| kanzure | nope, google scholar doesn't actually give you that data. | 16:17 |
| kanzure | google search result counts are faked, remember? | 16:17 |
| brownies | wtf?? | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | "Approximate" | 16:18 |
| brownies | and how do libraries... oh, right, libraries pay to search those databases. | 16:18 |
| kanzure | surely you know this about google... | 16:18 |
| brownies | man, this is all fucked. | 16:18 |
| kanzure | yes that too | 16:18 |
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| kanzure | oh no the server is dying | 16:18 |
| kanzure | abandon ship | 16:18 |
| brownies | ok, well, in theory, a university or library that subscribed to all these journals could laboriously trawl through all their journals and put together the index needed to compute this information | 16:18 |
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| brownies | is that, at least, right? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | sorta kinda. impact factor itself probably has a custom formula that ISI uses. but there's a growing trend of "altmetrics" by some of the "open access" advocates. | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | but yes if you had the data you could do pagerank to it and come up with something for ranking things | 16:20 |
| brownies | oh sure. it would not be Impact Factor(tm) but it would be a meaningful measurement of how impactful the journal is. | 16:21 |
| brownies | yeah, time-weighting + page-rank would land on a metric that's probably good to go right out the door | 16:21 |
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| kanzure | if you google around for "altmetrics" you will maybe find some clever ideas | 16:22 |
| kanzure | but i dunno how many have caught on | 16:22 |
| kanzure | mendelsevier was selling a dashboard to grant funding agencies and universities for measuring "your altmetrics" based on all of the pdf readership data they were collecting. | 16:22 |
| brownies | that seems... a bit backwards. | 16:23 |
| brownies | but, yeah, having one catch on would be the hard part. | 16:23 |
| kanzure | how is it backwards? | 16:24 |
| brownies | trying to escape arbitrary black-box metrics by paying another company to run black-box metrics for you? | 16:26 |
| kanzure | their product is actually about "including more data in your grant proposals so that you have a better chance of winning" | 16:37 |
| brownies | interesting. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | blah blah blah grants are highly competitive | 17:04 |
| kanzure | blah blah blah additional evidence because of recent NIH cutbacks due to sequestration | 17:04 |
| kanzure | insert even more evidence here because of glut of phds, postdocs, grad students, etc. all competing for a limited number of academic positions with limited positions. | 17:05 |
| kanzure | brownies: oh man now there's lots of spam comments piling up on that post, | 17:07 |
| kanzure | brownies: "Please get in touch with me personally to discuss the start of the ubited academics journal of mathematics. Written by all, reviewed by all and available for all!" | 17:07 |
| kanzure | yes the "ubited academics journal".. of course.. | 17:08 |
| brownies | UbiTed, i assume. | 17:09 |
| kanzure | ubiTED.. i get it. | 17:09 |
| brownies | heh | 17:09 |
| brownies | kanzure: which post? | 17:10 |
| kanzure | http://gowers.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/elsevier-journals-has-anything-changed/ | 17:12 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure this is just someone trying to capitalize on the open access "gold rush" | 17:12 |
| kanzure | except this gold rush has been going on for at least 5-7 years now (which is even stranger) | 17:12 |
| kanzure | i mean the person in the comments, not the post of course | 17:13 |
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| brownies | so it's not a rush, and there isn't very much gold, but other than that it's a gold rush? | 17:15 |
| brownies | great. | 17:15 |
| kanzure | well there's gold to the extent that science publishing is >$1B/year | 17:15 |
| kanzure | http://scholarlyoa.com/ chronicles all of the spam journals that have been appearing | 17:15 |
| kanzure | it's like academic phishing, except researchers are almost required to engage them because of "publish or perish" policies at their institutions (e.g. some researchers might be fired if they don't publish enough papers, so sometimes they have to settle for low quality journals to publish in) | 17:16 |
| kanzure | but these journals still charge $500-$2000/page to publish | 17:16 |
| kanzure | so yeah it's a gold rush.. if you just slap up a site and say you're a journal, then start taking payments, you're doing OK. | 17:17 |
| xablor[away] | Nice gig if you can stomach it. | 17:17 |
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| xablor | Whups, forgot that was up. | 17:18 |
| brownies | so we should start a journal? | 17:23 |
| brownies | or better yet, a journal platform? | 17:23 |
| kanzure | that's what these guys did: | 17:24 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/pete-binfield-peerj | 17:24 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/richard-price-academia.edu | 17:24 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/heather-piwowar-jason-priem/ | 17:24 |
| kanzure | well okay at least just peerj | 17:24 |
| xablor | Hm. Function of sci journals was to rebroadcast submissions, yes? Because paper is heavy? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | it was because of printing press costs | 17:27 |
| brownies | PeerJ is a pretty terrible name for a journal. | 17:27 |
| kanzure | peerj dawg | 17:27 |
| xablor | And because they had to cut costs and maintain their rep, they had submission referees. | 17:27 |
| brownies | imo the filtering is and always has been the most central role | 17:27 |
| xablor | So the middleman is being disintermediated, and that functionality has to be pushed out into an individual or P2P structure, so... | 17:28 |
| xablor | I wanna jump to Wuffie, here, as a proxy for a reputation tracking system, but that's getting too specific too quickly. | 17:28 |
| kanzure | what? no the middleman isn't being "disintermediated". that's the problem. | 17:28 |
| xablor | *Whuffie | 17:29 |
| xablor | Right, thanks, I got confused. >.< | 17:29 |
| fenn | unfortunately the name whuffie seems to have been co-opted as "how many retweets you have" or something like that | 17:30 |
| kanzure | isn't that klout? | 17:30 |
| xablor | Anyway, they are under pressure due to near-costless distribution methods, so... ooh. Problem's in demonstrating the value-added of the peer refs? | 17:31 |
| kanzure | no they aren't under pressure | 17:31 |
| kanzure | they are still going pretty strong, raking in cash. | 17:31 |
| fenn | they have a stranglehold on professional advancement, and independent open journals won't change that quickly | 17:32 |
| xablor | Which seems bizarre-ish... do they get an exclusive license to distribute accepted submissions, or what (many things) am I missing, here? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | researchers pay elsevier $1500-$3000/page to publish in journal of foobar owned by elsevier | 17:33 |
| kanzure | schools then turn around and pay elsevier $20,000/mo for electronic access to that journal | 17:33 |
| fenn | young academics can't afford (in terms of effort/time) to publish in "no-name" journals, so the only way this will take off is if established academics take the lead | 17:33 |
| fenn | which seems to be happening, more or less | 17:34 |
| fenn | xablor: a typical publication contract requires the author to hand copyright over to the publisher, so yes, they get an exclusive license | 17:34 |
| xablor | Ew. Okay, thanks. | 17:35 |
| fenn | many authors publish "preprints" on their website, which differ slightly in terms of formatting or whatever | 17:35 |
| kanzure | also not authors do it | 17:35 |
| kanzure | *not all authors | 17:35 |
| fenn | yeah, it takes a certain level of do-goodness | 17:36 |
| kanzure | "Over the years, five overlapping groups of Nobel laureates have written public letters to Congress in support of OA policies. You could harvest names from these letters:" | 17:36 |
| kanzure | first letter, August 26, 2004; 25 signatures http://www.taxpayeraccess.org/nobelists2004.html | 17:36 |
| kanzure | second letter, July 8, 2007; 26 signatures http://www.taxpayeraccess.org/bof.html | 17:36 |
| kanzure | third letter, September 9, 2008; 33 signatures http://www.arl.org/sparc/bm~doc/nobelistssupportpa-08sept.pdf | 17:36 |
| kanzure | fourth letter, November 10, 2009; 41 signatures http://www.taxpayeraccess.org/supporters/scientists/nobelists_2009.shtml | 17:37 |
| kanzure | fifth letter, March 28, 2012; 52 signatures http://www.arl.org/sparc/bm~doc/2012-nobelists-lofgren.pdf | 17:37 |
| kanzure | so much for "argument from authority" | 17:37 |
| kanzure | if nobel prize winners can't convince everyone to switch over, then that's troubling. | 17:37 |
| fenn | it's network effects, pure and simple | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i hope that zuckerberg's fund/prize wins out in the end. maybe they could focus exclusively on open access, even. | 17:38 |
| kanzure | wins out over nobel's, i mean. | 17:38 |
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| fenn | throwing money at successful people doesn't help other people become successful | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i'm happy open access is probably gaining traction, but i'm worried about the few hundred years of content we don't have | 17:41 |
| kanzure | supposedly stuff from before the 1920s is supposed to be out of copyright, except the publishers probably claim copyright on their scanned versions | 17:41 |
| kanzure | and then all the juicy stuff between 1920-2013 is still going to be missing, even if everyone switched immediately to purely open access. | 17:42 |
| fenn | i dont get how you can copyright a scan | 17:43 |
| fenn | i took a picture of the mona lisa so now i own it, what? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i think they claim they can? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | well, you probably didn't take a picture of it, you probably took a picture of some other reproduction of it. unless you went to see the mona lisa. which i think is off-limits to photography anyway. | 17:44 |
| fenn | either way | 17:44 |
| fenn | if i print out their scan and scan it, do i own the "new" work? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | isn't that a "derivative" | 17:45 |
| brownies | kanzure: here's an idea | 18:30 |
| brownies | what if you just wrote a paper and published the PDF | 18:31 |
| brownies | and then your bros at other universities would come by and endorse it, like, "yeah bro this guy is legit" | 18:31 |
| kanzure | because most authors write in .docx or latex. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | .tex, i mean. | 18:31 |
| yoleaux | http://is.gd/N3HXGj | 18:31 |
| brownies | kanzure: latex compiles to PDF. that is not really the point at all. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | oh fuck you yoleaux | 18:31 |
| brownies | kanzure: i mean, just totally decentralize and throw things on the internet as PDFs. why have journals at all? | 18:31 |
| brownies | just have bros endorsing bros. | 18:31 |
| ParahSail1n | to what end? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | 18:31 < kanzure> .tex, i mean. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | 18:31 < yoleaux> http://is.gd/N3HXGj | 18:32 |
| kanzure | that was pretty funny :/ | 18:32 |
| brownies | because then you get publishing + distribution + filtering | 18:32 |
| brownies | you can grab a PDF and be like "which famous science bros have signed off on this as legit?" | 18:32 |
| kanzure | how is this not solved by whuffie? | 18:32 |
| brownies | i don't know. maybe it is. | 18:32 |
| brownies | just saying that perhaps the notion of a "journal" is not really that important anyway. | 18:33 |
| ParahSail1n | but how will you collect NSF and NIH money? | 18:34 |
| ParahSail1n | im missing this part of the scheme | 18:34 |
| brownies | you get your bros at the NSF to endorse your papers, duh | 18:34 |
| fenn | it's nice to have aggregators and preservation for posterity. not that this would be difficult with your system, of course | 18:34 |
| ParahSail1n | there are no bros at the NSF | 18:34 |
| brownies | ah, well, then we could settle for having it endorsed by bros who previously got grants from the NSF. that would be just as good of a signal. | 18:34 |
| ParahSail1n | only rentseekrs | 18:34 |
| fenn | we should have had a distributed trust network a long time ago, why didn't that ever happen? | 18:35 |
| fenn | sort of like what was on advogato | 18:35 |
| kanzure | i am not convinced that open access has architecture problems moving forward | 18:36 |
| kanzure | if it's open access, someone can come along and organize things differently as they please | 18:36 |
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| ParahSail1n | you seem to be mistaken on the purpose of journals | 18:38 |
| ParahSail1n | its not dissemination of information; it's signaling to the rent-distribution agencies | 18:39 |
| kanzure | well, for my purposes, it's so that i don't have to repeat all your shitty work for myself | 18:39 |
| ParahSail1n | that was directed at brownies | 18:40 |
| brownies | it is signaling | 18:41 |
| brownies | that is why i have been talking about another way to signal | 18:41 |
| ParahSail1n | for simple dissemination of information, a simple mailing list will function up to a certain scale | 18:41 |
| brownies | i am not sure what was unclear about that. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | diybio portland things http://50.87.144.12/~portlab/ | 19:05 |
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| ParahSail1n | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2017062404/b-go-beyond | 19:16 |
| ParahSail1n | better range than quadrotor might mean more useful for taco delivery | 19:20 |
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| fenn | what no time travel delorean tilt-wheels? | 19:22 |
| xablor | Hm. People don't trust trust network mechanisms if they can see them - they trust other people. | 19:33 |
| xablor | This is a proposition, not statement ex cathedra. | 19:33 |
| xablor | So some bayesian measure of how often this guy has accurately refereed his submissions isn't gonna play, except maybe as feeding into a mechanism that's run by a face that the community at large can respect. | 19:35 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:40 |
| kanzure | nope, people already respect nobel prize winners, so that's authority has proven to be an insufficient bootstrapping process. | 19:42 |
| fenn | the impact factor formula is already (sorta) accepted as a measure of someone's worth, and it's totally objective and transparent | 19:42 |
| fenn | we've arrived at this surprising state of things because scientists are weird | 19:42 |
| xablor | Do people actually respect Nobel winners? | 19:44 |
| xablor | In a way that they could be considered domain experts on the organization of the public scientific effort? | 19:44 |
| xablor | I mean one is a Name who is a giant in the field. But the same person advising Congress on policy not immediately in their field isn't so impressive. | 19:46 |
| fenn | sure but the library scientists say the same thing | 19:46 |
| fenn | so you've got celebrity backing and expert validation | 19:47 |
| xablor | Doesn't matter, the reputation isn't there. | 19:47 |
| xablor | I mean, not with congresscritters. | 19:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: impact factor(tm) is not completely transparent, actually. | 19:48 |
| fenn | oh, because you can't download the citation web? | 19:48 |
| kanzure | xablor: i fail to see what this has to do with congress? | 19:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: no, because ISI has its own unique formula and most people use the ISI impact factor(tm) | 19:49 |
| fenn | i didnt know that | 19:49 |
| kanzure | and plus ISI has a better citation web than you do, yes | 19:49 |
| brownies | kanzure: how has it been proven insufficient? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:49 |
| brownies | i think their endorsement on a paper would be sufficient; they don't seem to be able to organize a departure from current journals, but that seems unrelated | 19:49 |
| kanzure | i wonder if anyone is looking at non-ISI impact factor. | 19:49 |
| xablor | Just citing the letters to Congress from asstd Nobel laureates as an example of the disconnect. | 19:49 |
| xablor | Actually I'm kinda surprised some radical in the Data Liberation Front hasn't leaked a cite graph from the last century. | 19:50 |
| kanzure | brownies: they have endorsed on paper. what are you talking about? | 19:50 |
| brownies | kanzure: reading is hard! | 19:50 |
| brownies | kanzure: a nobel laureate endorsing A paper, as in a scientific paper, would be meaningful | 19:51 |
| brownies | kanzure: them endorsing a sheet of paper about how they want OA is not meaningful | 19:51 |
| kanzure | i don't think nobels endorse a given paper as it is, unless they authored it. | 19:51 |
| brownies | do they serve on journal review committees? | 19:52 |
| brownies | or are they too old and distinguished for that | 19:52 |
| fenn | not all nobel laureates are old | 19:53 |
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| fenn | huh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fenn_(chemist) | 19:55 |
| kanzure | strange "Fenn's research into electrospray ionization found him at the center of a legal dispute with Yale University. He lost the lawsuit, after it was determined that he misled the university about the potential usefulness of the technology. Yale was awarded $500,000 in legal fees and $545,000 in damages" | 19:57 |
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| fenn | to his credit, he was officially retired when he developed electrospray ionization | 20:04 |
| fenn | it sounds like yale just had better lawyers | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz787@gmail.com> wrote: | 20:18 |
| kanzure | > From what I've been hearing, it's all about liability in the medical | 20:18 |
| kanzure | > industry. Doing medicine on the grey/black market will add cost simply | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure black market insurance is a thing that makes sense.. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | > because it's illegal and that increases the risk for the operator. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | > Licensed/Insured doctors mess up and they get sued, when some | 20:18 |
| kanzure | > underground treatment screws up, how do you sue? | 20:18 |
| xablor | Baseball bat to the knee is the time-honored tradition, as I hear it? | 20:19 |
| xablor | Escalate countermeasures and counter-countermeasures as appropriate. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | he's referring to my black market antibodies idea | 20:50 |
| xablor | Sorry, I've not heard this one. Halp? | 20:50 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/diybio/BSN_Yn1y8T0 | 20:51 |
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| xablor | I like that the OC's handle is Reason. | 20:57 |
| xablor | Estimated odds of being a Randian and/or INTJ? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | reason is an asshole about his username | 21:07 |
| kanzure | just because you're some blogger doesn't mean you get to go around calling yourself "reason" | 21:07 |
| kanzure | anyway, he runs fightaging.org | 21:07 |
| kanzure | i haven't been able to figure out his real identity for years | 21:07 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/15599612.2010.484521#.UaQ_5LVOSSp | 22:26 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/285c31e7a03bcb08c13d2f206166765.txt | 22:26 |
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| xablor | So the point of paperbot is just to pull PDFs from a page and save them in a known spot for further use? | 22:31 |
| xablor | 'cause that last link pulled down the abstract and a bunch of JS and that's about it. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | unfortunately paperbot does not have complete access to all scientific knowledge | 22:32 |
| kanzure | so it just fails gracefully in those cases because sometimes there's hints about how to get the pdf in the html/js pile. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 22:32 |
| xablor | Ah, okay. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia | 22:32 |
| xablor | Hm. Niftyish. | 22:34 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: sci-hub redirected me to http://www.myescience.org/ | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | after pasting that link there | 22:41 |
| kanzure | yeah, you have to use a proxy in russia | 22:41 |
| xablor | Hum. | 22:42 |
| kanzure | nmz787: try 91.202.165.149:8080 | 22:42 |
| xablor | *ponders silly things about automating requests for papers to human supply networks* | 22:42 |
| kanzure | xablor: you are boring and you bore me http://diyhpl.us/wiki/articles | 22:43 |
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| kanzure | also i'm not sure why you would want humans involved when paperbot/sci-hub is working just fine | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | connection timed out on that ip | 22:44 |
| kanzure | ok one minute | 22:44 |
| xablor | Of the past... five? Links it's been handed, it's been able to access one at most. | 22:44 |
| kanzure | *shrug* submit a pull request fixing it, then | 22:45 |
| xablor | Ergo falling back to the handy list of sources you've just posted. | 22:45 |
| kanzure | nmz787: 91.211.127.125:3128 | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | xablor: do you have exproxy account access to contribute to paperbot being able to use | 22:45 |
| kanzure | ezproxy | 22:46 |
| xablor | N'yet. | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | error the requested URL could not be retrieved | 22:46 |
| xablor | Is this a desirable tihng? | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | well that's about the only way people easily get access to papers | 22:46 |
| kanzure | if you are in school then you probably have access to an ezproxy instance | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | or direct login for certain publishers | 22:47 |
| xablor | I'm not, sadly. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | ok. well, you could write some python to make paperbot try sci-hub as a fallback. | 22:47 |
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| xablor | ...should I learn Russian/Cyrillic before attempting this? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | sure! learning russian is a useful thing to do. | 22:50 |
| kanzure | you can help me communicate with shady botnet herders. | 22:50 |
| xablor | Hm. German's the current effort, but wth, it beats doing the weaboo thing. | 22:51 |
| ParahSail1n | cyrillic is not that hard to sound out, its like greek with a couple wacky letters thrown in | 22:53 |
| kanzure | nmz787: did the second proxy work? | 22:55 |
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| * AlonzoTG is writing a story about my vision of transhumanism. | 22:58 | |
| AlonzoTG | part 2 is about my nightmares of an uploader takeover. | 22:59 |
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| AlonzoTG | but I'm having trouble developing concepts for the antagonists. | 22:59 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: no | 23:02 |
| kanzure | ugh didn't i ban this guy | 23:06 |
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| AlonzoTG | ???? | 23:08 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: http://hackaday.com/2013/05/26/detecting-galactic-rotation-with-software-defined-radio/ | 23:18 |
| superkuh | I've been talking to him on ##rtlsdr and following the Society for Amateur Radio Astronomy list for a long time time. It is really neat stuff. | 23:20 |
| superkuh | My current project is a 11 GHz adding interferometer with non-synchronized clocks on the downconverters. | 23:20 |
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| nmz787 | superkuh: for what? | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | fiberoptics? | 23:27 |
| superkuh | Solar photosphere continuum radio emissions. | 23:29 |
| superkuh | It's a "Very Small Radio Telescope" http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/undergrad/VSRT/index.html but with a rtlsdr device and gnu radio instead of a discrete hardware integrator and tv digitizer with java. | 23:31 |
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| superkuh | http://superkuh.com/VSRT-first-light.png - this shows my test pointing at the sun with two small dishes on a 1 meter baseline east to west. The display shows total power at ~11 GHz in a 2 MHz wide bandwidth that can be tuned +-1GHz or so. When you look at the fourier transform of the total power you can see the fringe modulation of the interferometer at the beat frequency between the two free running clocks. ~90 KHz in this case. The powe | 23:40 |
| superkuh | r of that bin is read out as the fringes. | 23:40 |
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| superkuh | I've been trying to add it as a plugin to Marcus Leech's simple_ra fifo system but that isn't necessarily needed. | 23:41 |
| nmz787 | software interferometer? | 23:43 |
| superkuh | The cross correlation is all analog and out front. | 23:43 |
| superkuh | The rtlsdr is just a cheap, easy way to get data in. | 23:43 |
| superkuh | In the VSRT Memos they say the angular resolution is good enough to resolve individual sunspots using a tiny 3 element array of 18" dishes for phase "closure" and informed guesses at the radio diameter of the sun. | 23:48 |
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