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| kirka | hi | 09:17 |
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| kanzure | kirka: hi. | 09:19 |
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| kanzure | "Global League Of Oppressed Mad Men" (GLOOMM) | 09:29 |
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| kanzure_ | jrayhawk_: it occurs to me that the timeouts are probably not our fault, huh | 11:43 |
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| jrayhawk_ | freenode is awful | 11:44 |
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| jrayhawk_ | "synced in 303 secs" | 11:45 |
| kanzure_ | i think it treats persistence as optional or something | 11:45 |
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| kanzure | shit phantomjs users say, https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/phantomjs/UAnXS96ZcdM "perl is much more agile than js" | 14:33 |
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| ParahSai1in | not as agile as a bobcat though | 14:55 |
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| phillyj | hello all | 15:05 |
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| kanzure | .tell sbp just saw your pyphantomjs bug report. yes, pip installation is known to be broken. but also, pyphantomjs is very far behind phantomjs upstream. | 16:19 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll pass your message to sbp. | 16:19 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/06/04/wi-fi-signals-enable-gesture-recognition-throughout-entire-home/ | 16:30 |
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| kanzure | haha the kickstarter/glow project guys are replying: | 16:54 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/diybio/JuANbe9C1LQ | 16:55 |
| kanzure | oh wait it was a private reply | 16:55 |
| kanzure | ah his email wasn't approved | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: commercial use is explicitly allowed by open source | 17:15 |
| kanzure | nmz787: dunno what you're talking about | 17:15 |
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| abetusk | There are creative commons license that don't allow commercial re-use | 17:20 |
| kanzure | yes, but those aren't open source | 17:21 |
| kanzure | oh interesting, OSI doesn't list any of the creative commons licenses. hah. | 17:25 |
| phillyj | nmz787: how do they solve interference? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | well anyway, CC-NC has a lot of practical problems that make it basically worthless | 17:26 |
| Urchin | as in? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | any page that has ads can be considered commercial by CC-NC | 17:36 |
| Urchin | makes sense, but I doubt someone would sue over it | 17:40 |
| kanzure | http://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/creative-commons-non-commercial-a-cruel-joke/ | 17:41 |
| kanzure | besides the argument i made above, he continues: "Basically, CC-NC is a joke when it comes to allowing other people to use the material. It is a cheap way for an organization to seem open when really they are not. You actually have more rights under Fair Use to use a work, because of the diminished emphases on non-commercial uses, than under CC-NC." | 17:42 |
| kanzure | although i wasn't aware of that point about fair use providing more rights. | 17:42 |
| * kirka sleeps | 17:44 | |
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| kanzure | anyway, in a more pedantic sense, it's explicitly not open source because it prohibits commercial use, which is one of the guiding principles of open source. | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i guess this guy is growing some arabidopsis thaliana: http://straightarabidope.wordpress.com/ | 17:47 |
| kanzure | ah, to their credit, the glow project did make a poll asking people what license to use and what to allow: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antonyevans/glowing-plants-natural-lighting-with-no-electricit/posts/472077 | 17:47 |
| kanzure | http://s12.postimg.org/wnekjt459/Survey_results.png | 17:47 |
| kanzure | "Yes, completely open - companies can sell" has the most votes | 17:47 |
| kanzure | so theoretically they might abide by this. | 17:48 |
| kanzure | http://glowingplant.com/community | 17:48 |
| abetusk | kanzure, they already did | 17:48 |
| abetusk | They put out a post saying they were going completely open | 17:48 |
| kanzure | they already did what ? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | oh, make a post. | 17:49 |
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| abetusk | hmm..ok, so only a promise to go completely free | 17:51 |
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| abetusk | "o we will release the seeds completely free of any commercial restrictions. " http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antonyevans/glowing-plants-natural-lighting-with-no-electricit/posts/472077?ref=email&show_token=da1810933680f5d3 | 17:52 |
| kanzure | ?ref=email | 17:52 |
| kanzure | you donated | 17:52 |
| abetusk | heh, whoops, you caught me | 17:52 |
| abetusk | yes, I backed it | 17:52 |
| kanzure | not an impressive conclusion for me to leap to.. but whatever :) | 17:53 |
| kanzure | "And I've noticed many biologists being reluctant to even edit a pbworks or mediawiki, but they don't seem to have too much trouble with google docs." | 17:58 |
| kanzure | god damn it why don't biologists like wikis? | 17:58 |
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| kanzure | ParahSai1in: tell me things about vaguely-novel ways of constructing indexes for sequence searching? | 18:03 |
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| phillyj | kanzure: is there some post moderation going on in DIYbio mail-list? | 19:19 |
| phillyj | that guy Anthony Evans said his posts were being moderated (SciAM article topic) | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | phillyj: diybio is moderated by mac cowell and jason bobe, i have never been a moderator and i have never known the exact settings they use. | 19:43 |
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| kanzure | wow, only 24 projects on microryza have been completely funded. | 22:41 |
| kanzure | https://www.microryza.com/discover click "funded" | 22:41 |
| kanzure | guess they haven't grown. at all. | 22:41 |
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| nmz787 | he seeemed to send two messages, so maybe it wasn't really moderated? | 23:50 |
| kanzure | you might be seeing the messages after they were moderated | 23:50 |
| kanzure | but earlier today you weren't able to see them through the web interface | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | huh, i never see anything in web | 23:51 |
| kanzure | i only mention the web because i linked to it | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | the message you replied to is the same timestamp as my message | 23:51 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/diybio/JuANbe9C1LQ | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | yours says 5:32, mines 3:32 | 23:52 |
| kanzure | yeah but gmail auto-sorts | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | which is right, 2 timezones | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | show original | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | then? | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | ctrl-f what? | 23:52 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/724a4482a4d033c3?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:32:48 -0700 (PDT) | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | From: Antony Evans <antonyevans@gmail.com> | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | To: diybio@googlegroups.com | 23:53 |
| kanzure | Received: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:15:20 -0700 | 23:54 |
| kanzure | (this is the second one) | 23:54 |
| kanzure | my email was at 16:43 and his was at 17:15 | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | his second, right? | 23:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:55 |
| kanzure | X-Received: by 10.50.118.10 with SMTP id ki10mr3160094igb.7.1370396005116; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) | 23:55 |
| kanzure | so i think mac or jason approved it at 18:33 | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | X-Received: by 10.50.176.137 with SMTP id ci9mr561665igc.16.1370395944339; | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:32:24 -0700 (PDT) | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | for the first msg | 23:55 |
| kanzure | maybe these headers are faked | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | well it says he sent it at 15:32 PDT | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | and we received at 18:32 | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | 33 in your case | 23:56 |
| kanzure | ok so he took 40 seconds or w/e to approve the next email | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | seems more like 3 hours | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | 40 seconds seems like a weird routing lag maybe? | 23:57 |
| kanzure | jason sent an email about stewart brand at 18:42 so i'm gonna say it was jason | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | propagating from web to email | 23:58 |
| kanzure | nope, 40 seconds between approving two emails is normal | 23:58 |
| kanzure | antony sent two emails | 23:58 |
| kanzure | so jason approved both emails individually | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | but aren't we talking about the same email? | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | i thought you pasted your header from the first email | 23:58 |
| kanzure | this is the second email https://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/724a4482a4d033c3?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | oh shit | 23:59 |
| kanzure | this is the first email https://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/ee8b976696bbb9ee?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | i checked the second emails headers | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | huh | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | i didn't think they moderated | 23:59 |
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